Progress of Islam in Society(from 1 to 100%)
by Deepak Kamat ~ March 27th, 2008. Filed under: Uncategorized.
When Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone:
United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law.
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris — car-burnings) . Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam — Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
100% will usher in the peace of “Dar-es-Salaam” — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%Of course, that’s not the case.
To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.”Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel.
– Leon Uris, “The Haj” Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat
April 3rd, 2008 at 2:24 pm
(Amsterdam — Mohammed cartoons).
Actually its Danish Mohammed Cartoon,not Netherlands
I am sorry if you are referring to some other incident.. btw nice funny but true article though
October 11th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Nice piece of article. No muslim will support Terrorism, but all the terror activities are from them. Few peoples have guts to oppose their sporadic spreading. They dont have family planning. Recently i met a girl from somalia, the first questin she asked me was:”are you a muslim?”. Then she keeps praising quran and allah. We dont have to mind that. But the problem is she hates other religion. she feels that Hindus are praying wrong God. I was fed up after 2 months.
October 17th, 2008 at 8:27 am
Well, I just pointed out the truth. Koran and Bible are terror manuals. We should see things for what it is.
The blood soaked history of Islam and Christianity is for real. No amount of pseudosecularism can wish it away.
This article is not mine. It is by a real scholar on Islam. that’s it.
October 18th, 2008 at 7:01 am
BEEF EATING RAMA
When God Rama was told to go to forest, he mournfully revealed to is mother: “if has been ordained that I have to lose the kingdom, forego the princely comforts and the tasty, MEAT DISHES. (Ayodha Kandam, 20, 26, 94th Chapters).
October 18th, 2008 at 7:01 am
RAMA’S MANY WIVES
Mr. C.R. Sreenivasa lyengar’s translation of Valmiki Ramayana says: ” Though Rama had married Sita to be the queen, he married many other wives for sexual pleasure in accordance with the royal customs. (Ayodha Kandam 8th Chapter, page 28). (The term “Rama’s wives” as been used in many places in Ramayan).
October 18th, 2008 at 7:01 am
RAMA’S DISRESPECT FOR HIS FATHER
Rama called his father ” A FOOL, AN IDIOT” (Ayodhya Kandam, 53rd Chapter).
October 18th, 2008 at 7:02 am
RAMA’S CONTEMPT FOR WOMEN & LOW CASTES
Rama disfigured and mutilated many women by cutting off her noses, breasts, ears etc., and tortured them (Soorpanaki, Ayomuki).
Rama said, “Women should not be trusted” and that “Secrets should not be confided to the wife” (Ayodhya kandam, Chapter 100).
Sambuka was slain (by Rama) because he was making penance which was forbidden to hime by Vedas as he was a “Shudra” (Uttara kanadam, Chapter 76).
Looking at is hand Rama said the Sanskirt slogan “O right hand, you kill this Asche Shudra unhesitatingly as killing this Shudra is the only way to get back the life of the deceased Brahmin boy.”
Are you not one of the limbs of Rama? (Valmiki Ramayana)
Note: This Rama, who mercilessly took away the life of Sambuka for no other fault than that of making penance, is held as the Avatar (incarnation) of Vishnu (God)! If there were kings like Rama alive now, alas! what would be the plight of those who are called “Shudras?”.
October 18th, 2008 at 7:02 am
RAMA’S DEATH
Rama , like an ordinary man, fell down into the river and was DROWNED. (Uttara Kandam, Chapter 106). How can a “god die? Who will then look after the affairs of the world?
October 18th, 2008 at 7:03 am
LUSTFUL SITA VS THE “IMPOTENT” RAMA
Sita told Rama “You are no better than a woman-monger who lets his wife for hire and makes is livelihood. You want to be profited by my prostitution”. Sita also told Rama “You lack in POTENCE, manners and charm” & “She called her husband a simpleton”.
As soon as Sita stepped into Ravan’s palace her love towards Ravan grew more. (Aranya Kandam,
Chapter 54).
When at length Rama asked Sita to swear about her chastity, she declined and died. (Uttara kandam, Chapter 97).
Kukuvavathy, sister-in-law of Rama, said to him - “Oh Elder! How you love Sita more than you love yourself! come with me and see what really is in your lovely wife’s heart. Still she could not forget that fellow Ravan. Drawing a picture of Ravan on hand-fan and pressing it closed to her bosom She is lying on your bed with eyes closed thinking on and rejoicing at Ravan’s glories. Rama sighed and went out to Sita’s house. There she was found sleeping pressing to her breast the hand-fan on which Ravan’s picture was drawn (This is found in pages 199, 200 of the Bengali Ramayana written by Mrs. Chandravathi).
If Rama loved Sita so much and Sita is held as an ideal Hindu wife, can Hindu women tolerate their husbands leaving them in forest for the years? Rama left Sita in forest after se became pregnant and she delivered er two kids in forest. (DR. B. R. Ambedkar : Riddles in Hinduism Maharashtra Govt. Publication, 1987).
October 18th, 2008 at 7:03 am
WHAT LEADERS SAY ABOUT GOD RAMA?
“My Rama (god Rama) is not the Rama of Ramayana”. Mahatma Gandhi
“The Ramayana and Mahabaratha are nothing but another Arabian Nights Story”. Jawaharlal Nehru
“Rama is not a god; but he is a hero” Rajagopalachari, First Governor-General of India and a great Brahmin leader.
“Ramayan is not a divine story; it is only a literature” (Kaliyuga Kamban, T.K. Chidambaranatha Mudaliar). Babri Masjid was demolished by Rama Bhatkas claiming that it was his birth place.
October 18th, 2008 at 7:04 am
LORD KRISHNA
Lord krishna was very fond of looking at naked young girls. Once upon a time Krishna, in order to get a full view of some bathing virgin girls, went to the extent of hiding their clothes on the tree top just to get a panoramic view. Does he have divine immunity from looking at naked women?
The Gita, a Holy book of the Hindus, quotes that when these bathing low caste girls begged for the return of their clothes, Lord Krishna demanded that they come out of the water with their hands raised instead of covering their bodies.
Oh my innocent Hindu brethren! Can this action be attributed to god? Is this God capable of indulging in such ungodly acts? Will Hindu mothers tolerate their son imitating god Krishna??
October 18th, 2008 at 7:04 am
THE RIDDLE OF RAMA AND KRISHNA
The “Times of India” reported on 12-11-87 that the Education Department, Government of Maharashtra, had published a book called “The Riddles of Hinduism” by Dr. Ambedkar.
The report said that various statements contained in the book aroused the ire of some Brahmins, particularly the author’s observation on Rama & Dasharth’s many wives and also Krishna’s moral character. (The Riddles of Rama and Krishna is available from Dalit Saithya Academy, Bangalore-3).
October 18th, 2008 at 7:04 am
GOD SHIVA, LORD GANESH & GODDESS PARVATHI.
According to Hinduism, god Shiva’s head is the source of the river Ganges and his head is also the place where the moon is located (if this was really a fact then why should America send astronaut Neil Armstrong 240,000 miles away to the moon)
According to Puranas, goddess Parvathi, wife of God Shiva, sought Shivas’s permission to have a baby When Shiva refused, Paravathi took dirt from her body and created Lord Ganesh. (The late E.V.R. Preiyar used to call this god a “bundle fo dirt”).
Later God Shiva mistakenly chopped off his own son’s head. How could a god make such a foolish mistake? Would such a god solve your problems or make them more complicated?
To rectify his error God Shiva severed the head of baby elephant and transplanted in onto his son who then become known as the Elephant headed god. His statues are usually found near river-sides where he is said to be looking for a bride resembling his mother! (There is a different version to this story which, for decency’s sake, cannot be printed here).
October 18th, 2008 at 7:05 am
KALI GODESS OF VIOLENCE
A recent report by the press trust of India stated that during the past three years more than 2,500 young boys and girls were sacrificed to goddess kali in India An AFP’s recent reports say: Hundreds of young boys and virgin girls are sacrificed every month for the deity Kali. In one case Rama Sewak hacked his eight year old son to death in broad daylight in Delhi becuase Godess Kali had told him he would come back to life and bring him good fortune. Blood-thirsty kali is worshipped opnely in the length and breadth of India.
Kali’s statue stands naked aside the inanimate body of the Hindu deity Siva, tongue stuck out with blood dripping from fang-like teeth. She holds a noose, a skull-topped staff, a blood-encrusted sword and a severed head. She is also known as Durga, Devi, Shaktima, Uma and Parvathi in manifestations.
October 18th, 2008 at 7:05 am
BRAHMINS AS BEEF-EATER
According to the Ramayana, the Aryans (Brahmins) used to drink liquor (nine different kinds), eat beef, marry many wives and prostitution was an accepted way of life amongst the priests and gods.
“Sura” means alcoholic drink. All the Aryan gods drink “sura” and hence they are called suras as against a suras who don’t drink. Ravana was an asura. Periyar E.V.Ramaswamy, a great Hindu leader of Tamil Nadu, was a worshipper of Ravan because Ravana was a Dravidian.
Ramanaya also recounts the story of king Dasaratha who, in order to have a baby son, made a big sacrifice (yagam) of sheep, cattle, horses, birds and snakes. He then delivered his three wives Kaushaliya, Sumatirai and Kaikeyi to three priests. These holy men, having fully satisfied their carnal desire, returned the ladies to the king. By this means, the king was able to have three sons-Ram, Lakshman and Bharat (Bala Kandam, Chapter 14. For more details on yagam, refer to the book “Gnana Surian”, published by the kudi Arasu Press.)
Does it mean Rama was born to a Brahmin?
The Ramayana tells us much about the unlawful relationship of incest but we do not feel it appropriate or decent for it to go in details (Please refer to Aranya Kandam, chapter 45 verses 122, 123, 124, & 125).
The following Aryan practices will reveal how immorality and indecency are sanctified in the name of Hinduism.
October 18th, 2008 at 7:07 am
LINGAM & YOUNI
Lingam and Yoni in Sanskrit means the male and female sexual organs respectively. Hindus are allowed to worship anything - including sexual organs. It is not unknown for them to name their children as Shiva Lingam (God Shiva’s sexual organ) or Rama Lingam (God Rama’s sexual organ), (in some places in Karnataka, the gods demand both male and females to pray naked together).
October 18th, 2008 at 7:07 am
DEVADASI (RELIGIOUS PROSTITUTION).
The Devadasi system was set up, according to a Times of India report (10-11-87), as a result of conspiracy between the feudal class and the priests (Brahmins). The latter, with their ideological and religious hold over the peasants and craftsmen, devised a means that gave prostitution their religious sanction. Poor low-caste Hindu girls, initially sold at private auctions, were later “dedicated” to the temples. They were then initiated in to prostitution Even to this day this religious prostitution blessed by Hindu religion is still alive in Karnataka and Maharashtra.
October 18th, 2008 at 7:08 am
BHARAT NATYAM & THE BRAHMINS
The Bharat Natyam is a dance performance which, because of the Brahmin media, has gained much recognition as a form of art. The celebrated Bharat Natya expert, Rukmini Devi, admits in National Geographic video program, that the Barahta Natayam was really the art of Devadasis (temple prostitutes) to please their audience and admirers. This is the reason why you might have seen various Baratha Natyam postures in Hindu temples. May be like the art of KARATE of the Japanese, the BHARAT NATYAM is a national art to the Brahmins and very much part of their culture.
October 18th, 2008 at 7:09 am
THE DEVADASI SYSTEM THRIVES
UNI. - TIMES OF INDIA - 10th Nov 1987: confirms that the practice of dedication young Harijan (Hindu) girls (Mahars, Mangs, Dowris and Chambhar) at childhood to a goddess, and their initiation into prostitution when they attain puberty continues to thrive in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and other parts of South India. This is largely due to social backwardness, poverty and illiteracy, according to a study by two doctors of the India Health Organization.
The report clearly indicates that the Devadasi system was the result of a conspiracy between the feudal class and the priests (Brahmins) who with their ideological and religious hold over the peasants and craftsmen, devised a practice which acquired religious sanctions. They noted in their study on - “Devadasis” - “the link between religious culture and child prostitution”.
The study revealed that girls from poor Hindu families were sold after puberty at private auctions to a master who initially paid a sum of money to the families ranging from 500 to Rs. 5,000.
The study, made during health camps organized by the World Health Organization (WHO) in the Devadasi populated areas, revealed that the dedicated girls formed 15 percent of the total women involved in prostitution in the country, and as much as 70 percent of the prostitutes in the border districts of Karnataka and Maharashtra.
October 18th, 2008 at 7:11 am
all these posts to enlighten my fellow hindus that before denigrating others look at yourselves.
donot point fingers at others when 4 are pointing against you.
hinduism lover.(relieving from fanatics of our faith)
October 18th, 2008 at 8:18 am
cow urine
Castes in hinduism help create a sense of knowing ones place in life.
Hindus of higher castes (Bhramans) DRINK COW URINE as part of general COW-WORSHIP.
Hindus believe ALL cow products (milk, ghee, cow urine and cow dung) are sacred and have auyuvedic properties.
HOWEVER - only Bhramans are allowed to drink Cow Urine. Other castes MUST drink the urine of a Bhraman. Other castes are not worthy to drink cow urine.
The BJP are trying to liberalise Cow Worship by marketing processed Cow Urine to the mass market. Now every caste can enjoy drinking cow urine and eating cow dung products.
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October 20th, 2008 at 1:11 am
Mr. Sidharth Patil
I am really enlightened to read your comments.I never thought about these myself. Probably there are thousands of Hindus who just follow because they have to. It is very necessary that we follow intelligibly and KNOW what one beleives. Thank you for this wonderful exposition about Hinduism. May God give you more wisdom.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:46 am
The above posts by Siddarth Patil, Kaviraj and Nandi are classic examples of anti-Hindu propaganda.
I will expose it all in my forthcoming book to be released soon. Meanwhile, I would like to hear some more on anti-Hinduism by Siddarth, Kaviraj and Nandi.
…. and of course, pseudosecularism cuts no ice with me.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:49 am
@ all,
I have read all the major scriptures of the world. So one cannot fool me on the contents.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:18 am
Deepak Kamat>>>I have read all the major scriptures of the world. So one cannot fool me on the contents.>>>
If you could make tall such tall claim,they why dont you repond to the posts thologically. First of ensure if you have alreast read your own scriptures.
Let me ask you a simple question.. How do you justify the un-holy acts of hindu gods like raping/cutting nose/murders etc etc..
October 20th, 2008 at 4:21 am
Deeepak kamat>>The above posts by Siddarth Patil, Kaviraj and Nandi are classic examples of anti-Hindu propaganda>>.
Boy, you cant even write a good paragrah,and you are claiming of writing a book.. Funny.. Definitely Hinduism needs such funny authors like you. By opening this site, you are exposing hinduism..Look at those post/questions lying un-answered from you. Back fired huh!!. Cheers!!
Anyway, if you call their posts as anti-hindu, what should call your web-site as?
October 20th, 2008 at 5:04 am
Dear kamath,
Your claim-
I have read all the major scriptures of the world. So one cannot fool me on the contents.
gentleman, how much you have understood??? I really started enjoying your frustration. Have you understood how difficult it is to write about religioin………………
October 24th, 2008 at 2:11 am
Branding muslims as terrorists
What have you to say now about bhajrang dal planting malegaon bombs?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Former_VHP_woman_owned_Malegaon_blast_motorcycle/articleshow/3634176.cms
October 24th, 2008 at 2:37 am
We have been venerating krishna as our god. But with his actions he looks more of a womanizer than godly.
LORD KRSNA SEDUCES THE GOPIS
gopis: cow-herd girls; milk-maids; village girls; or better known as Lord Krsna’s girlfriends.
“In the first month of winter, the gopis of Nanda’s village performed a certain vow to the goddess Katyayani (Durga). They ate rice cooked with ghee; they bathed in the water of the Kalindi (Yamuna) River at sunrise; they made an image of the goddess out of sand and worshipped it with fragrant perfumes and garlands, with offerings and incense and lamps, and with bouquets of flowers, fresh sprigs of leaves, fruits, and rice. And they prayed: ‘Goddess Katyayani (Durga), great mistress of yoga, empress of great deluding magic, make the son of the cow-herd Nanda my husband. I bow to you.’ Saying this prayer, the girls would worship her, and having set their hearts on Krsna, the girls performed this vow for a month; they worshipped Bhadrakali (Durga) so that the son of Nanda (Krsna) would be their husband. Arising at dawn, calling one another by name, they would join hands and go to bathe in the Kalindi (Yamuna) every day, singing loudly about Krsna as they went. One day, when they had gone to the river and taken off their clothes on the bank as usual, they were playing joyfully in the water, singing about Krsna. The Lord Krsna, lord of all the masters of yoga, came there with his friends of the same age in order to grant them the object of their rites. He took their clothes and quickly climbed a Nipa tree, and laughing with the laughing boys he told what the joke was: ‘Girls, let each one of you come here and take her own clothes as she wishes. I promise you, this is no jest, for you have been exhausted by your vows. I have never before told an untruth, and these boys know this. Slender-waisted ones, come one by one or all together and take your clothes.’ When the gopis saw what his game was, they were overwhelmed with love, but they looked at one another in shame, and they smiled, but they did not come out. Flustered and embarrassed by Govinda’s (Krsna’s) words and by his jest, they sank down up to their necks in the icy water, and, shivering, they said to him, ‘You should not have played such a wicked trick. We know you as our beloved, son of the cow-herd Nanda, the pride of the village. Give us our clothes, for we are trembling. O darkly handsome one, we are your slaves and will do as you command, but you know dharma: give us our clothes or we will tell your father, the chieftain.’ The lord said to them, ‘If you are my slaves and will do as I command, then come here and take back your clothes, O brightly smiling ones.’ Then all the girls, shivering and smarting with cold, came out of the water, covering their crotches with their hands. The lord was pleased and gratified by their chaste actions, and he looked at them and placed their clothes on his shoulder and smiled and said, ‘Since you swam in the water without clothes while you were under a vow, this was an insult to the divinity (to Varuna, God of the waters). Therefore you must fold your hands and place them on your heads and bow low in expiation of your sin, and then you may take your clothes.’ When the village girls (gopis) heard what the infallible one said, they thought that bathing naked had been a violation of their vows, and they bowed down to Krsna, the very embodiment of all their rituals, who had thus fulfilled their desires and wiped out their disgrace and sin. Then the lord, the son of Devaki, gave their clothes to them, for he felt pity when he saw them bowed down in this way and he was satisfied with them. Though they were greatly deceived and robbed of their modesty, though they were mocked and treated like toys and stripped of their clothes, yet they held no grudge against him, for they were happy to be together with their beloved. Rejoicing in the closeness of their lover, they put on their clothes; their bashful glances, in the thrall of their hearts, did not move from him. Knowing that the girls had taken a vow because they desired to touch his feet, the lord with a rope around his waist said to the girls, ‘Good ladies, I know that your desire is to worship me. I rejoice in this vow, which deserves to be fulfilled. The desire of those whose hearts have been placed in me does not give rise to further desire, just as seed corn that has been boiled or fried does not give rise to seed. You have achieved your aim. Now, girls, go back to the village and you will enjoy your nights with me, for it was for this that you fine ladies undertook your vow and worship.’ When the gopis heard this from Krsna, they had obtained what they desired; and, meditating upon his lotus feet, they forced themselves to go away from him to the village.” — Srimad Bhagavatam 10:22:1-28. Compare: Brahmavaivarta Purana 1:27; Brhaddharma Purana 3:17.
October 24th, 2008 at 2:42 am
Krishna misused his godliness to lure women.
LORD KRSNA MARRIES 16,000 WIVES & THEN DESTROYS HIS OWN FAMILY TO DEPOPULATE THE EARTH
Lord Krsna must be seriously lacking foresight to screw so many gopis, overpopulate the earth & then destroy his own family for weighing down the earth:
“Krsna became a householder (head of a household) in Dvaraka and married many wives, and had many sons and grandsons. In the race of the Yadus, no one was poor; everyone had many children, lived a long life, and respected Brahmins. But they were so numerous that one could not count them even in a hundred years. The terrible demons who had been slain in the battle of the gods and demons were born among men, and so at the command of Visnu the gods became incarnate in the race of Yadus to repress the demons…. When Krsna had killed the demons, and thus relieved the burden of the earth, he thought, ‘The earth is still overburdened by the unbearably burdensome race of the Yadus. No one else can overcome them, since they are under my protection.’ … Deluded by Krsna’s power of delusion, and cursed by the Brahmins, they were all destroyed, and when his entire family had been destroyed, Krsna said, ‘The burden has been removed.’ ” — Srimad Bhagavatam 10:90:27-44; 11:1:1-4; 11:30:1-25.
The need to exterminate the Yadus precisely because they are born of Krsna’s seed is made explicit in the Linga Purana:
“One of Krsna’s wives asked Krsna to give her a son equal to the lord of the gods. Krsna performed asceticism for Siva, who granted him a son, Samba. Krsna took sixteen thousand maidens for his pleasure, and then, under the pretext of the Brahmins’ curse, he destroyed his own family and lived in Prabhasa. After living for a hundred and one years in Dvaraka, where he had removed the sorrow of old age, he made the curse of the sages come true.” — Linga Purana 1:69:71, 82-84.
There is a common misconception among some Hindus that Lord Krsna had only one consort/wife, Radha, and these 16,000 gopis were just spiritual followers of this God. That is totally false. In fact, Lord Krsna got so many gopis & wives pregnant that he populated much of the earth with Yadus (Yadavas) and had to annihilate them later.
October 24th, 2008 at 2:45 am
LORD KRSNA’S FOOLISH DRUNKEN WIVES ARE READY TO COMMIT INCEST WITH HIS SON (SAMBA)
Samba’s mischief and that of the women combine here in one neat episode: he misbehaves with them. Thus the destruction of the race of the Yadus (Yadavas) is blamed on Krsna’s wives, on Krsna’s son, and on the rage of Krsna himself:
“One day Narada came to Dvaraka to see Krsna. All the Yadu boys received him with respect, but Samba, proud of his young beauty and deluded by the fated, inevitable force of the curse, disregarded Narada. To teach Samba a lesson, Narada told Krsna that all of Krsna’s sixteen thousand wives were in love with Samba. Samba (Krsna’s son) was summoned, and the women, whose minds were blurred by wine, showed unmistakable signs of passion when Samba appeared. Furious, Krsna cursed them to be carried off by barbarians after his death, and he cursed Samba to be afflicted with leprosy. Therefore the women were carried away under the very eyes of Arjuna. Later, Samba remembered what had happened before, and as he was impelled by inevitable fate, he enraged the sage Durvasas and prompted the curse that destroyed his whole family.” —
Samba Purana 3:6-55; Bhavisya Purana 1:72-73.
October 24th, 2008 at 2:55 am
For those of you who questian The reason for 12 years delay for rama to get ready to bring back sita is written in ramayan itself.
just read ahead..
LORD RAMA ADMITS NOT CARING AT ALL FOR HIS WIFE SITA & SITA WAS ‘RAVISHED’ BY THE DEMON RAVANA
Raghava (not ‘Ravana’; Ravana is the demon) is another name for Lord Rama; Maithili is another name for Lord Rama’s wife Sita. Lord Rama, an Avatar (God-incarnate), is considered in Hinduism as the ideal & perfect husband and Sita as the ideal & perfect wife, as they are divine immortals (and now forever dwelling in heaven supposedly with the other Gods). So, what mortal humans could behave better than these supreme models, Lord Rama & Sita (or so the Hindus believe)? The following scene takes place in Yuddhakanda, the sixth book of the Valmiki Ramayana, after Sita has been carried off by the demon Ravana and won back, after many years of battle, by Rama, she is summoned to come to him at court:
“…. When Sita heard Rama speak in this way, her eyes which were as wide open as those of a doe filled with tears. But as Rama looked at her, his anger grew great once again, and he blazed like a fire into which great quantities of butter have been offered. He frowned and looked askance, and he spoke harshly to Sita in the midst of the monkeys and the Raksasas, saying, ‘I have done all that a man should do to wipe out an intolerable insult at the hands of an enemy. I won you, Sita, just as the great-souled sage Agastya won the unassailable southern realm for the world of living creatures, by means of his asceticism. But let it be known, if you please, that this great battle effort accomplished by means of the heroism of my friends was not undertaken by me for your sake. I protected my own reputation and expunged completely the scandal and degradation which had been cast upon my own famous family line. But as you stand before me, doubts have arisen about your behaviour, so that you are deeply offensive to me as a lamp to one whose eyes are diseased. Go then wherever you wish, in any direction, with my permission, daughter of Janaka. I can have nothing to do with you, good lady. What man of energy, born into a good family, could take back a woman who had lived in the house of another man, simply because his mind was so tortured by longing for her? Looking with a jaundiced eye upon you who have been degraded upon the lap of Ravana, how can I take you back when I boast of such an exalted family line? The purpose for which I won you back was to regain my own fame, since I have no attachment to you, and you may go from here as you wish. This is my pronouncement, now that I have applied my intelligence to the matter, good lady. Set your mind on Laksmana or Bharata or wherever you will be happy; set your heart on Sugriva the king of the monkeys or Vibhisana the king of the Raksasas, or wherever you will be happy, Sita. For when Ravana saw your captivating, divine body, he would not have held back for long when you were dwelling in his own house.’ When Maithili (Sita), who deserved to hear pleasant words, heard this unpleasant speech from her beloved after such a long time, she burst into tears and trembled violently like a clinging vine torn down by the trunk of a great elephant. As Raghava (Rama) spoke to her so angrily and harshly that her hair stood on end, the daughter of the king of Videha (Sita) was greatly agitated. When Maithili (Sita) heard the rough words of her husband, such as she had never heard before, spoken in the midst of a great crowd, she was deeply ashamed and embarrassed. The daughter of Janaka (Sita) shed torrents of tears which seemed to cause her limbs to shrink, as she was pierced by his words that were like arrows. Then she wiped her face that was wet with tears and spoke to her husband in gentle and faltering words, saying, ‘Why do you speak such rough words, cruel to the ears, inappropriate to me, O hero, like a common man to a common woman? I am not such as you believe, great-armed one. Have confidence in me; I swear to you that I have behaved properly. Because of the conduct of other individual women, you distrust the whole sex; but abandon this doubt, since you have tested me. If my person was touched, it was by force, my lord; I did not desire to do it, but fate brought about this offence. My heart, which is under my control, is ever attached to you; not being mistress of the situation, what could I do about my body which was in the control of someone else? If you who have given me honour still do not know me by the constantly growing affection of our intimate contact, then I am destroyed forever. O hero, why did you not discard me when you sent the hero Hanuman (Monkey-God) to look for me when I was on Lanka? I would have abandoned my life as soon as I heard the monkey deliver your message that you had discarded me. Then you would not have wasted all this effort, risking your life, nor would your friends have exhausted themselves fruitlessly like this. …’ As she spoke and wept, stammering in her tears, Sita said to Laksmana, who was standing there deep in sad thought, ‘Make a funeral pyre for me; that is the medicine for this calamity. … I cannot live; abandoned in an assembly of people by my husband, who is no longer pleased by my virtues, the only possible thing for me to do is to enter this.’ When Laksmana, the slayer of hostile enemies, heard what the daughter of Videha said, he was overcome by indignation, and he looked at Raghava’s face. But when he understood the wish of Rama’s heart as revealed by his gestures, the heroic Laksmana built the funeral pyre as Rama indicated. Then the daughter of Videha quietly and reverently walked around Rama, who stood with his head down, and she approached the blazing fire. Maithili (Sita) bowed to the divinities and to the brahmins, folded her palms, stood before the fire…. Then king Kubera the wide-famed, and Yama who wears away those who are hostile, and the thousand-eyed great Indra and Varuna who heats his enemies and the blessed three-eyed great God Siva who has the bull on his banner and Brahma the best of those who know the Vedas, maker of all people — all of these, the best of the thirty-three Gods, came together in their celestial chariots that shone like the sun, and they came to the city of Lanka and approached Raghava (Rama) and stretched forth their massive arms adorned with rings and said to Rama, who stood before them with his palms joined, ‘Maker of all people, best of the wise, how can you disregard Sita as she falls into the fire? How is it that you do not recognize yourself as the best of the bands of the Gods? Formerly you were the Vasu Rtadhaman, the progenitor of the Vasus; you are the Self-created, the first cause of the three worlds, the eighth Rudra of the Rudras, the fifth of the Sadhyas. Your two ears are the Asvins, your two eyes the sun and the moon. Heater of enemies, you are seen by all people at the beginning and at the end; yet you disregard the daughter of Videha as if you were a common man.’ When Raghava, Rama, the best of upholders of dharma, the master of the world, was thus addressed by the World-protectors, the best of the thirty-three Gods, he said to them, ‘I consider myself to be a man, Rama, the son of Dasaratha. O lord, tell me who I am, whose son, and where I come from.’ Then Brahma, the best of those who know the Vedas, said to Kakutstha, ‘Hear the truth from me, Rama, you who have truth as your valour. You are the God Narayana, the blessed Lord who carries four weapons (conch shell, discus, mace, and lotus, held in his four hands); you are the boar with one tusk, the conquerer of all forces in the past and in the future… Sita is Laksmi, and you are the God Visnu, Krsna, Prajapati. In order to slay Ravana, you entered into a mortal man’s body here, and you have completed this task for us, O best of those who uphold dharma.’ ” — Ramayana 6:117-19.
Lord Rama was looking out for his family’s honor & his reputation/public image, which is commendable of course; however, it is interesting to note that he admits to not even caring at all about Sita when she was kidnapped all those years. It is also interesting to note that although Sita’s intentions are good, and she has been faithful to Rama — only in her heart that is — unfortunately, it looks like she has been touched & ravished somewhat by the raksasa Ravana while on his lap on the way to Lanka, and Lord Rama feels that she is used & unchaste. Lord Rama did not even realize he was divine until it was revealed to him; perhaps this would account for why he was not aware that there was an easy solution to what he & some others may consider as Sita’s unchastity because according to some holy Hindu scriptures, a woman who has been unchaste can be purified & turned back into a virgin by having sex with Brahmins for thirteen months (Matsya Purana 70:40-60; cf. Mahabharata III:2:23.).
October 24th, 2008 at 2:58 am
This is reply to those who say that ram was vegetarian.
MEAT-EATING LORD RAMA
Lord Rama laments to his mom (Kausalya) that he is going to be exiled from the palace at Ayodhya into the forest for fourteen years (because of his evil & selfish co-mom Kaikeyi’s plot), and he explains how he will be missing eating meat as he is so accustomed to at the palace:
“[Rama:] ‘I must to lonely wilds repair, abstain from flesh, and living there on roots, fruit, honey, hermit’s food, pass twice seven years (14 yrs.) in solitude. To Bharat’s hand the king will yield the regent power I thought to wield, and me, a hermit, will he send my days in Dandak wood to spend.’ ” — Ramayana 2:20.
Amazing. Lord Rama, a great, divine exemplar of dharma & virtue for Hindus, himself apparently doesn’t care much for vegetarianism & ahimsa.
Not only that, but some Brahmins & Ksatriyas ate five-clawed creatures. Five out of the five-clawed were allowed, that is. As the relatively innocent Vali is being murdered from ambush by Rama, he states:
“[Vali:] ‘Only five among the five-clawed creatures can be eaten by Brahmans and Ksatriyas, Raghava: the hedgehog, the porcupine, the lizard, the rabbit, and fifth, the turtle.’ ” — Ramayana 4:17:34.
A very similar injunction is found in the Vaisnava dharmasastra:
“If a man has (unawares) eaten meat of a five-toed animal, with the exception of the hare, the porcupine, the iguana, the rhinoceros, and the tortoise, he must fast for seven days.” — Visnusmrti 51:6.
Who knows, in addition to eating standard meats, perhaps both Rama & Sita also ate lizards, turtles, hedgehogs & porcupines.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:01 am
For those who denigrate our animal gods here is the real reason we venerate them.
LORD RAMA’S MOM (& CO-MOMS) HAVE SEX WITH A DEAD HORSE (ASVAMEDHA SACRIFICE)
The Asvamedha yajna was a celebrated sacrifice in which many ancient Hindu queens & ksatriya women in various provinces had sex with a dead horse, and Lord Rama’s mom (Kausalya) & co-mom’s were no exception. Lord Rama’s mom spends a whole night having sex with a dead horse for the purpose of ‘righteousness & cleansing of sins’:
“The prescribed victims — snakes, birds, the horse, and aquatic animals — were bound at the place of immolation; each was dedicated to a specific divinity as is set forth in the ritual texts. The priests then bound them all to the posts in the manner set forth in the ritual texts. Three hundred beasts in addition to Dasaratha’s jewel of a horse were bound there to the sacrificial posts. Kausalya (Rama’s mom) walked reverently all around the horse and then with the greatest joy cut it with three knives. Her mind unwavering in her desire for righteousness, Kausalya (Rama’s mom) passed one night with the horse. The priests — the hotr, the adhvaryu, and the udgatr — saw to it that the second and the juniormost of the king’s wives, as well as his chief queen, were united with the horse. Then the officiating priest, who was extremely adept and held his senses in check, removed the fat of the horse and cooked it in the manner prescribed in the ritual texts. At the proper time and in accordance with the ritual prescriptions, the lord of men then sniffed the fragrance of the smoking fat, thereby freeing himself from sin. Then, acting in unison, the sixteen brahman officiating priests threw the limbs of the horse into the fire, in accordance with the ritual injunctions. In other sacrifices, the oblation is offered upon branches of the plaksa tree, but in the Horse Sacrifice alone the apportionment of the victim is made on a bed of reeds. The Horse Sacrifice is known as the Three-Day Rite; for both the kalpasutra and the brahmanas refer to the Horse Sacrifice as a rite lasting for three days.” — Ramayana 1:13:24-33.
At the end of this article, there is another excerpt of the Asvamedha sacrifice from the holy Vedas.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:03 am
This is for women who say they are equal to men here is what Sri ram said.
LORD RAMA SAYS DO NOT TRUST WOMEN
Lord Rama is in harmonious agreement with Manusmrti 7:145-153. While lecturing his brother Bharata on how to govern the kingdom, Lord Rama says women are not trustworthy creatures:
“[Rama:] ‘Do you keep your womenfolk pacified? Are they duly protected by you? I hope you do not repose excessive faith in them and do not confide your secrets to them.’ ” — Ramayana 2:100.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:07 am
SITA (& ALL WOMEN) ARE ‘FLIGHTY, SHARP-TONGUED, DIVISIVE’ & ‘PERVERSE’
Lord Rama’s brother Laxman (who, like Lord Rama, is considered to be incarnated from a portion of Lord Visnu & therefore divine) considers his sister-in-law Sita as well as women the world over as ‘flighty, sharp-tongued, divisive & perverse’ by nature. This scene takes place in the forest (after Lord Rama has been exiled) & a golden deer (actually, a raksasa in disguise) catches Sita’s attention. She asks Lord Rama to capture the deer & Rama instructs Laxman to guard Sita & not to leave her alone. Laxman had already suspected that the deer looked too perfect to be authentic, but Rama still went to kill the deer. The deer, becoming a raksasa, during battle with Rama yells in Rama’s voice calling for Laxman’s help; Sita tells Laxman to help Lord Rama. Laxman knows it must be a raksasa who was shouting and not really Rama & he says his brother commanded him not to leave Sita alone and he cannot disobey Rama’s orders.
And what is the very first accusation that comes out of Sita’s unchaste mouth?
“Then the daughter of Janaka (Sita) angrily said to him, ‘You wear the guise of a friend to your brother, Saumitri (Laksmana), but act like his foe, refusing to aid him in his extremity. You hope Rama perishes, Laksmana, isn’t that so? And it is all because of me. I think you would be happy should some disaster befall your brother. You have no real affection for him, so you stand there calmly with the splendid prince gone from sight. For with him in danger and me here, how could I prevent what you came here with the sole intention of doing?’ ” — Ramayana 3:43:5-8.
Laxman responds to Sita’s dirty accusations:
“[Laksmana:] ‘Rama cannot be killed in battle. You must not talk this way, for I dare not leave you in the forest with Raghava (Rama) gone. … Let your heart rest easy, do not be alarmed. Your husband will soon return, after killing that splendid deer. That was clearly not his voice, or any belonging to a god. It was the magic of that raksasa, unreal as a mirage. You were entrusted to my safekeeping, shapely Vaidehi (Sita), by the great Rama. I dare not leave you here alone. Then too, dear lady, because of the slaughter at Janasthana, where Khara perished, we have earned the hostility of the night-stalkers. Raksasas delight in causing trouble, Vaidehi (Sita), they make all kinds of noises in the deep forest. You need not worry.’ ” — Ramayana 3:43:12-18.
By the way, as shown in Laxman’s quote above, he refers to his sister-in-law Sita as ’shapely.’ There is a lot of shapely & voluptuous language in the Valmiki Ramayana; Sita is referred to as ’shapely’ or ‘fair-hipped’ perhaps more often than she is referred to as ‘chaste.’ Incidently, in the first book of the Ramayana (Balakanda), Lord Indra calls Gautama’s wife Ahalya ‘fair-hipped’ & ’shapely’ as well (after he rapes her in the disguise of her husband Gautama).
Back to the topic… So after Lord Rama’s brother (Laxman) tells Sita he cannot disregard his brother’s stringent instructions against leaving her alone in the perilous forest, Sita opens her polluted mouth, accusing him again:
“Though what he said was true, Sita was enraged by Laksmana’s words. Her eyes blazed bright red as she made this harsh reply: ‘Ignoble, cruel man, disgrace to your House! How pitiful this attempt of yours. I feel certain you are pleased with all this, and that is why you can talk the way you do. It is nothing new, Laksmana, for rivals to be so evil, cruel rivals like you always plotting in secret. You treacherously followed Rama to the forest, the two of you alone: You are either in the employ of Bharata or secretly plotting to get me.’ ” — Ramayana 3:43:19-22.
With Sita repeatedly growling such filthy allegations against Lord Rama’s brother Laxman, no doubt, some people may ask the question: Has Sita always been loyal to Lord Rama…Or at one point was she sucking so many other guys’ lingas that adulterous language ended up clinging to her tongue?
Here is how Laxman responds to the howling Sita:
“[Laksmana:] ‘This is the nature of women the whole world over: Women care nothing for righteousness, they are flighty, sharp-tongued, and divisive. May all the inhabitants of the forest give ear and bear me witness how my words of reason met so harsh a reply from you. Curse you and be damned, that you could so suspect me, when I am only following the orders of my guru. How like a woman to be so perverse! I am going to Kakutstha (Rama). I wish you well, fair woman. May the spirits of the forest, each and every one, protect you, large-eyed lady. How ominous the portents that manifest themselves to me! I pray I find you here when I return with Rama.’ ” — Ramayana 3:43:27-31.
Sita again falls victim to her own stupidity; while Laxman searches for Lord Rama, the raksasa-king Ravana (who had contrived this whole trap) kidnaps the ‘flighty, sharp-tongued, divisive, perverse’ Sita. Lord Rama, Laxman, Sita & Hanuman (the Monkey-warrior God) are all worshipped by Hindus; however, regarding the language of these ‘deities’ at times, one would be hard-pressed to even remotely consider their nonsense as divine speech.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:08 am
HINDUISM & CASTE
Caste (varna): Brahmin = Priest Caste; Ksatriya = Rajanya/Ruler/Warrior Caste; Vaisya = Commoner Caste; Sudra = Servant/Slave Caste; and Avarna = Outcaste/Untouchable/Dalit/Candala/Dog-eater. There are also many subsets in each caste. Dvija = twice-born (twice-born = upper 3 castes or sometimes just Brahmin caste particularly). Some Hindus have a delusion that caste is not promoted by any of their holy books. Is that really so? Let’s find out:
“By his very birth a Brahmin is a deity even for the gods and the only authority for people in this world, for the Veda is the foundation in this matter.” — Manusmrti 11:85.
“People here whose behaviour is pleasant can expect to enter a pleasant womb, like that of a woman of the Brahmin, the Ksatriya, or the Vaisya caste. But people of foul behaviour can expect to enter the foul womb, like that of a dog, a pig, or an outcaste woman.” — Chandogya Upanisad 5:10:7.
“If a man of one birth (Sudra) hurls cruel words at one of the twice-born, his tongue should be cut out, for he was born from the rear-end. If he mentions their name or caste maliciously, a red-hot iron nail ten-fingers long should be thrust into his mouth. If he is so proud as to instruct priests about their duty, the king should have hot oil poured into his mouth and ears.” — Manusmrti 8:270-272.
“If a man of inferior caste tries to sit down on the same seat as a man of superior caste, he should be branded on the hip and banished, or have his buttocks cut off.” — Manusmrti 8:281.
“If in the process of negotiating betrothal there are first ten suitors of the non-Brahmana varna for a woman (the marriageable girl), all of them lose their claims of marriage and, only the Brahmin, the learned one, if he grasps her hand would be her husband and only he. Not even the man of Ksatriya varna and not even the man of Vaisya varna but only the Brahmin is the husband of the bride in such cases of claimants of betrothal, and the sun, as it appears, revealing this fact to the people of five classes (4 varnas and the fifth avarna) rises up.” — Atharva Veda 5:17:8-9.
“If someone born in a Ksatriya, Vaisya, or Sudra womb should be unable to pay his fine, he may absolve himself of the debt by labour; a Brahmin should pay little by little. The king should have women, children, madmen, and the old, the poor, and the ill chastised with a whip, a bamboo cane, a rope, and so forth.” — Manusmrti 9:229-230.
“The Sudra’s duty and supreme good is nothing but obedience to famous Brahmin householders who know the Veda. If he is unpolluted, obedient to his superiors, gentle in his speech, without a sense of ‘I’, and always dependent on the Brahmins and the other (twice-born castes), he attains a superior birth (in the next life).” — Manusmrti 9:334-335.
“…thereby the Ksatriya, whenever he likes, says, ‘Hello Vaisya, just bring to me what you have stored away!’ Thus he both subdues him and obtains possession of anything he wishes by dint of this very energy.” — Satapatha Brahmana 1:3:2:15.
“One-fourth of (the punishment for) Brahmin-killing is traditionally regarded as (the punishment) for the killing of a Ksatriya, one-eighth for (killing) a Vaisya, and it should be one-sixteenth for (killing) a Sudra who knows his place.” — Manusmrti 11:127.
“A Brahmin is a great deity whether or not he is learned, just as fire is a great deity whether or not it is brought to the altar. The purifying fire with its brilliant energy is not defiled even in cremation grounds, and when oblations of butter are placed in it at sacrifices it grows even greater. Thus Brahmins should be revered in every way, even if they engage in all kinds of undesirable actions, for this is the supreme deity. If the Ksatriyas become overbearing towards the Brahmins in any way, the Brahmins themselves should subdue them, for the Ksatriyas were born from the Brahmins.” — Manusmrti 9:317-320.
“A Ksatriya in adversity may also make a living by all of these (means); but he should never be so proud as to assume the livelihood of his betters. If a man of the lowest caste should, through greed, make his living by the innate activities of his superiors, the king should confiscate his wealth and banish him immediately. One’s own duty, (even) without any good qualities, is better than someone else’s duty well done; for a man who makes his living by someone else’s duty immediately falls from (his own) caste.” — Manusmrti 10:95-97.
“With whatever limb an inferior insults or hurts his superior in caste, of that limb the king shall cause him to be deprived. If he places himself on the same seat with his superior, he shall be banished with a mark on his buttocks. If he spits on him, he shall lose both lips; If he breaks wind against him, his hindparts; If he uses abusive language, his tongue. If a (lowborn) man through pride gives instruction (to a member of the highest caste) concerning his duty, let the king order hot oil to be dropped into his mouth. If a (low-born man) mentions the name or caste of a superior revilingly, an iron pin, ten inches long, shall be thrust into his mouth (red hot).” — Visnusmrti 5:19-25.
“His (Purusa’s) mouth became the Brahmin; his arms were made into the Ksatriya, his thighs the Vaisya, and from his feet the Sudra was born.” — Rig Veda 10:90:12.
In comparison, Sudras are as low as feet & Outcastes (avarna) are even below that status of course.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:10 am
NO WONDER DALITS LOOK FOR RESPECT
HINDUISM’S TREATMENT OF OUTCASTES (AVARNA)
“Candalas must live out of the town, and their clothes must be the mantles of the deceased.” — Visnusmrti 16:14.
“These (castes) should live near mounds, trees, and cremation-grounds, in mountains and in groves, recognizable and making a living by their own innate activities. But the dwellings of ‘Fierce’ Untouchables (candala) and ‘Dog-cookers’ (svapaca) should be outside the village; they must use discarded bowls, and dogs and donkeys should be their wealth. Their clothing should be the clothes of the dead, and their food should be in broken dishes; their ornaments should be made of black iron, and they should wander constantly. A man who carries out his duties should not seek contact with them; they should do business with one another and marry with those who are like them. Their food, dependent upon others, should be given to them in a broken dish, and they should not walk about in villages and cities at night.” — Manusmrti 10:50-54.
“If one who (being a member of the Candala or some other outcaste) must not be touched, intentionally defiles by his touch one who (as a member of a twice-born caste) may be touched (by other twice-born persons only), he (or she) shall be put to death. If a woman in her courses (touches such a person), she shall be lashed with a whip.” — Visnusmrti 5:104-5.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:10 am
CASTE IN THE GITA
There is ample justification in the Gita alone to maintain caste divisions & oppressions; here are Lord Krsna’s words:
“It is far better to perform one’s svadharma (prescribed duties), even though faultily, than another’s duties perfectly. Destruction in the course of performing one’s own duty is better than engaging in another’s duties, for to follow another’s path is dangerous.” — Bhagavad-Gita 3:35.
“According to the three modes of material nature (goodness, passion, ignorance) and the work associated with them, the four divisions of human society (Brahmin/Ksatriya/Vaisya/Sudra) are created by Me. And although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the nondoer, being unchangeable.” — Bhagavad-Gita 4:13.
“It is better to engage in one’s own svadharma (occupation), even though one may perform it imperfectly, than to accept another’s occupation and perform it perfectly. Duties prescribed according to one’s nature are never affected by sinful reactions.” — Bhagavad-Gita 18:47.
Lord Rama (who, like Lord Krsna, is an Avatar of Lord Visnu) would be in complete accord with the above quotes; afterall, he killed an innocent Sudra, Sambuka, only because he was performing austerities which were not prescribed duties for low-castes (ref. Ramayana 7:88-89).
October 24th, 2008 at 3:12 am
LORD SIVA CONDEMNED FOR ALLOWING A LOW-CASTE (A SUDRA) TO READ VEDAS
Women & Sudras (& outcastes) are not allowed to study the Vedas; this is one reason this “God” Siva is denounced for allowing a Sudra the Vedic teachings. Daksa’s curse is as follows:
“The Brahmins will not sacrifice to you along with the other gods, for Siva has defiled the path followed by good men; he is impure, an abolisher of rites and demolisher of barriers, [who gives] the word of the Vedas to a Sudra. He wanders like a madman, naked, laughing, the lord of ghosts, evil-hearted. Let Siva, the lowest of the gods, obtain no share with Indra and Visnu at the sacrifice; let all the followers of Siva be heretics, opponents of the true scriptures, following the heresy whose god is the king of ghosts.” — Brahma Purana 2:13:70-73; Garuda Purana 6:19; Bhagavata Purana 4:2:10-32.
HINDU GODS DO NOT COMMUNE WITH LOW-CASTES
In Hinduism, it is understood that women cannot sacrifice or conduct official yajnas (nor become priests of course) because a male relative is required. However, the unfortunate news is that Hindu Gods do not talk to those detested things called ‘low-castes’ either:
“Now the gods do not commune with everyone, but only with a Brahmin, or a Rajanya (Ksatriya), or a Vaisya; for these are able to sacrifice. Should there be occasion for him to converse with a Sudra, let him say to one of those, ‘Tell this one so and so! Tell this one so and so!’ This is the rule of conduct for the consecrated in such a case.” — Satapatha Brahmana 3:1:1:10.
Low-castes do not need to despair; Hindu scriptures are utterly ruthless in degrading almost anyone who is Hindu (mortal or divine). Perhaps Brahmins are the exception to the rule though (not women of Brahmins however).
LOW-CASTE WIVES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SERVE THE GUESTS
According to the timeless Visnusmrti, only the twice-born caste wives (Brahmin wives, Ksatriya wives & Vaisya wives) of a twice-born man, but not the Sudra wife, are allowed to serve the guests during the sacrifice. He (and she) will be barred from entering heaven if he permits a low caste wife to offer such hospitalities:
“A union of a twice-born man with a Sudra wife can never produce religious merit; it is from carnal desire only that he marries her, being blinded by lust. Men of the three first castes, who through folly marry a woman of the lowest caste, quickly degrade their families and progeny to the state of Sudras. If his oblations to the gods and manes and (his hospitable attentions) to guests are offered principally through her (a Sudra wife’s) hands, the gods and manes (and the guests) will not eat such offerings, and he will not go to heaven.” — Visnusmrti 26:5-7.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:15 am
Women are mere objects in our hinduism because
HINDUISM SAYS WOMEN ARE LIKE WHORES BY NATURE
Hinduism’s holy dharmasastra teaches that women are like whores and sluts by nature like the bimbo goddess Indrani (ref. RigVeda 10:86:6.):
“Good looks do not matter to them, nor do they care about youth; ‘A man!’ they say, and enjoy sex with him, whether he is good-looking or ugly. By running after men like whores, by their fickle minds, and by their natural lack of affection these women are unfaithful to their husbands even when they are zealously guarded here. Knowing that their very own nature is like this, as it was born at the creation by the Lord of Creatures (Prajapati), a man should make the utmost effort to guard them. The bed and the seat, jewellery, lust, anger, crookedness, a malicious nature, and bad conduct are what Manu assigned to women. There is no ritual with Vedic verses for women; this is a firmly established point of law. For women, who have no virile strength, and no Vedic verses, are falsehood; this is well established.” — Manusmrti 9:14-18.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:18 am
ORIGIN OF HOLY SHIV LINGA
Lord Siva seduces the Pine Forest sages’ wives and is cursed for this immoral behavior. Origin of the holy Linga which is commonly worshipped in Hindu temples:
“When the sages saw Siva naked and excited they beat him and they said, ‘Tear out your linga.’ The great yogi said to them, ‘I will do it, if you hate my linga’, and he tore it out and vanished.” — Kurma Purana 2:38:39-41; cf. Haracaritacintamani 10:74; Yagisvaramahatmya 26a. 14.
In another version, the sages in the forest quote the legal texts regarding the penalty for seducing a guru’s wife when they punish Siva:
“You false ascetic, let your (Siva’s) linga fall to earth here. A shameless and evil man who has seduced another man’s wife should be castrated; there is no other punishment ever. A man who has seduced his guru’s wife should cut off the linga and testicles himself and hold them in his hands and walk until he dies.” — Siva Purana, Dharmasamhita 10:187-90; cf. B. K. Sarkar, pp.234-5.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:19 am
MORE ON ORIGIN OF HOLY SHIV LINGA
Here is another origin of the holy Linga:
“… He (Siva) agreed to this and laughed, for he was secretly amused, and he said to Brahma, ‘There is no good use for this linga except for the creation of progeny.’ And as he said this he broke it off and threw it upon the surface of the earth. The linga broke through the earth down to the subterranean hell and went to the very sky. Visnu sought the end of it below, and Brahma flew upwards, but they did not find the end of it, for all their vital effort. Then a voice arose out of the sky as the two of them sat there, and it said, ‘If the linga of the god with braided hair is worshipped, it will certainly grant all desires that are longed for in the heart.’ When Brahma and Visnu heard this, they and all the divinities worshipped the linga with devotion, with their hearts set upon Rudra (Siva).” — Siva Purana, Dharmasamhita 49:23b-46, 74-86.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:19 am
LORD SIVA ENJOYS SLUTS FOR 12 YRS. & IS PUNISHED BY SAGES & CASTRATED
“When the women of the Pine Forest saw Siva begging in their hermitage they were overcome by desire. Only Arundhati, the faithful wife of Vasistha, resisted. All the others, old women and young girls, threw off their clothing and urged Siva to make love to them…. Then the sages beat and reviled Siva, and Siva went to Vasistha’s house and said to Arundhati, the daughter of Daksa, ‘I have been beaten by the sages in this wood and have come to you as a guest. Give me alms, fair lady.’ Then he showed Arundhati all his wounded limbs, covered with blood, and all his body, enticing her, but she bathed his handsome body as if it were the body of her own son, and she said to him, ‘My son, you are welcome here.’ Then he was pleased with her, and he said, ‘We ascetics and naked beggars are well pleased with you. May you prosper in your marriage, and may your old husband become young and able again, with a divine body, never ageing, like an immortal.’ Then Siva left the house and wandered through the woods with the frenzied women, laughing and making love to them day and night for twelve years…. Then with a curse the sages caused Siva’s linga to fall. The fiery linga stretched for many miles and landed in the body of Sati, but when it had plunged into the ground its divine energy was withdrawn from the universe, and the world became dark. Then Arundhati said to Vasistha, ‘I fear that the naked ascetic who came here was Siva, for he did not lose his control or become angry although he was struck by hundreds of weapons. And the mountain woman with him was my sister, Parvati. May we two who participate in the householder stage heal the body of Siva and cause this darkness to vanish.’ Vasistha said, ‘So be it’, and because of that Siva’s body was restored…. ” — Siva Purana, Dharmasamhita 10:96-8, 163-8, 193-202, 213-14; cf. Kurma Purana (1818), 2:37:33-9. (Bib. Ind. 2:38, pp.727-8.)
October 24th, 2008 at 7:36 am
To all who oppose hinduism on ground that we donot have concept of sin.
We may not have a concept of sin but cursing for doing wrong with fault or without has been in our scriptures for long. Just look at this example and see for yourselves why children get re-birth to same parents.
FAMILIES OF HINDU GODS
“When the gods interrupted Siva and Parvati, two sons were born of drops of Siva’s seed. These sons were then posted at the door to prevent further interruptions while Siva made love to Parvati, having promised the gods that he would not spill his seed in her. One day Parvati came out of the bedroom in great dishabille, half naked, her breasts scored with teeth marks. The two sons chanced to see her like that, and they were upset, but Parvati became angry and said, ‘Why have you looked at me when I was not in a state to be seen by anyone but my husband? You should have closed your eyes. Since you have done this immoral thing, you will be reborn as mortal men with the faces of monkeys.’ Then they were miserable and protested that it was her fault for having come out so suddenly, and they cursed her to become a mortal queen (Taravati) and Siva to be her husband (Candrasekhara) so that they themselves might be born again as their sons, Vetala and Bhairava.” — Siva Purana 3:21:1-8; Kalika Purana 49:1-92, 50:1-64, 51:1-60, 52:1-155, 53:1-217.
October 24th, 2008 at 8:43 am
Just read the nun news today. I am so disgusted that I am stopping to visit this site. India will not improve with backward policies. Somehow Kamath has started blocking us, I feel. But somehwere I read that the atrocity against nun happened because of lust and nothing else. I just have to say, it is too late for your mother to stop lusting, so you would n’t have been born. Rascals.
October 24th, 2008 at 8:46 am
and keep worshipping your 1000 fake gods. Let them deliver you. well, everyyear a 500 die from stampede in your temples. mice feed from your milk bowls and cows roam in the middle of your streets whilr monkey god’s assistants start to attack people for food. Good luck India.
October 24th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Dear all friends,
Its not hinduisam its sanathan dharm, where our rishis discovere more about mana(mind-its not giving full meaning to mana) our indian science is based on mana only. You all people must know that all other country men astanish to see indian who are happy without money those who are sleeping in plotform also. Its basically be cos we indian has contol over mana. if you see arabian can marry max 6 women and erupian endless and they dont have shanthi but you see indian. The word of sin is nothing infront of mana. Mana only tells us wether you are doing good or bad -when a man did bachelor degree will you ask him wether you have completed 5 th form, we will not becouse after 5 th form only bachelor degree. like that when you start control of indeeriyas that is mana you need not think of sin. Its all in the blood of all indian (here and there some voilation may be then only equilibrium )
October 24th, 2008 at 9:05 am
dear emmarcee,
Dont be fanatic dear, Now you tell me a to a question, If jesus is created universe. before creating universe where was he, what was he doing, how many year, was he- all alone, how come he came, as per old testiment he created first day - and night hope in third day sun, stars etc, how is it possible if sun there only day and night. when chirtianisam has sense less why should all you go. I know answer i dont dispute also thats first form of study. when you study phd will understand all your doubts ok.
know try to answer me.
even god was sleeping in water , can i say that water is bigger than your jesus becos it came early, you have no answer for when water came. i will ask you many question emmarcee. which you cant answer you can only say that we are not supposed discriminate bible. But in india veda-upanishad is only probing also it says that until you clear you have to keep probe and you then only one can realaize that is called thava-yoga which no world has but india- for the above question india which has only answer if you want ask me we will byeeee Sathiyamava Jayathey- rigveday
October 24th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Kind att’n emmarcee,
Dont be fanatic dear, Now you tell me a to a question, If jesus is created universe. before creating universe where was he, what was he doing, how many year, was he- all alone, how come he came, as per old testiment he created first day - and night hope in third day sun, stars etc, how is it possible if sun there only day and night. when chirtianisam has sense less why should all you go. I know answer i dont dispute also thats first form of study. when you study phd will understand all your doubts ok.
know try to answer me.
even god was sleeping in water , can i say that water is bigger than your jesus becos it came early, you have no answer for when water came. i will ask you many question emmarcee. which you cant answer you can only say that we are not supposed discriminate bible. But in india veda-upanishad is only probing also it says that until you clear you have to keep probe and you then only one can realaize that is called thava-yoga which no world has but india- for the above question india which has only answer if you want ask me we will byeeee Sathiyamava Jayathey- rigveday
October 24th, 2008 at 10:41 am
emmarcee,
Its our wish we worship fake gods or real gods, what bothers you bloody stupid. Its our belief and our culture, who the hell are you to talk about our relion? If you want to follow your religion bloddy do it..dont come here and try to preach unnecessry things(To all christians who try to preach and convert the people). We better know what is our religion and what we want to follow..you Just dont come to poke you nose in our matter.
October 24th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Hi Hindu
Good shot to emmarcee.If he is a human then he wont post any anti hindu comment anymore.
October 24th, 2008 at 11:57 am
@ Above
You are right. Nobody should come to our matter. Its our belief, no one can change it. We know what we are and how to respect our culture and religion. Other should not come to teach anythng else.
October 24th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
I already write I am not going to advice anybody anymore. From your English and overall disposition you are just a moron who does not deserve any “pearl”s. Do you want to knwo where Jesus was before th euniverse came into being? Why should I waste time debating nun raping morons? I believe that God has to decide to open your mind. If that happens, I think you will find the answer yourself. For now, I am dusting off my shoes as I am stepping out.
As I said, keep bowing down to those stones which gets stolen now and then. Make some new ones in Concrete. A linga will be the easiest. That will remind you to rape some more minorities.
October 24th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
No one can change our believes - think about dumbasses.
October 24th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Then keep quite. We are not telling raping is a great work. we also condemn it(If it is reallly happened). but you no need to denigrate/ write anythng you want about Hinduism (To All Who have written here).
If you feel(all who hav written against Hinduism) your religion great feel it and shut your…. and keep quite. we are not asking your opinion about our religion. We know what we are.
October 24th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Ow Freaks, stop it. This site is run as a propaganda tool for those Nazi fascists who want to get their political agenda realized by killing and torching minorities of India.
Even your “if it happened” is a silent nod to these monsters. Hindusim should face its criticism is it wants to continue as an open religion. Otherwise, it will be like Islam where no progress can happen because of lack of free thought and freedom of expression. I have no false belief that by preaching here about Christianity I will get any converts. As a matter of fact I never proselytised to anyone in my life. But hindu or Christian, when you see fascism and Goondaism if you don’t stand up and say that the Emperor is naked - you will always have a naked emperor.
October 24th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
and you should read who is writing what first before jumping in. My first goal will be to prevent the misinformation spread by these Nazis. The secondly ask questions regarding the basis of faith - both yours and mine.
October 24th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
If you say that you have been reading all our posts from the apst, yes i can give your answer.
October 24th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
onemore hindu, you are very mistaken. My only constrain will be time like any of us.
October 24th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
My dear friend,
Even we dont appreciate Goondaism, you are talking like a fool. I am raising isssu against those writers here who wants denigrate Hinduism, We never tolerate that, remember.
These Christrians (Converters) are act as if they peacelover and are very good humans, but they the silent killers.
October 24th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
emmarcee,
Please shut your……and please get out of this site.You are religious fanatic and belives that no one are humans in this world except christians.Such people has no right to talk about human rights.
October 24th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Well, what d you want me to do , start cutting and pasting the truth about your million gods. There are other people to do that. get out of the site? Is it your mother’s bedroom? why are you so upset? You don’t like the truth?
October 24th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
shut your? what ? I didn’t get it>
October 24th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
religeous fanatic? well oone fanaticism breeds another kind, is n’t it? anyway I consider myself a truth seeker and want-to-be apolegetic christian.
October 24th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Who is spreading misinformation here.. Who is telling fake gods. How do you know Hindu god is fake? Who the hell are you to tell this???
How can you tell that Christian god is real?? ISn’t he fake??
Can you proove it..
See my dear friend. God is there, he is watching everythng, you will defnitely have the right thing for all these. Not only you, all who have tried to spoil Hinduism, denigrated the culture, and our faith.
October 24th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Hindu, I agree and I don’t side with anybody cutting and pasting from hate sites. You can get hate messages about any religion in the internet. Hindu Puranas are like an ocean and if you dive you can get both pearls and muck. By hurting somebody’d mind you are not going to convert anybody. Christians always converted by showing their selfless work in the community and that is the whole purpose of missionary work. It is utter nonsense that the propaganda they distribute money to convert people. They don’t intimidate anybody either. They work among dalits and tribals who are out side the Hidnu mainstream upperclass community who never cared about these people for 3000 years.
October 24th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Easwar to Emmarcee>>If jesus is created universe. before creating universe where was he, what was he doing, how many year, was he- all alone>>
These kind of questions makes one clear that you are not clear about the idea of God, like most of the hindus. Let me ask you the same question, Where was Brahma before all this creations of world?… You guys often take a nose dive and finally end up aethist talks, but wanna claim theism..Thats lack of clarity and philosophy..Thats one reason hinduism was an easy prey for all..
>>Dont be fanatic dear>>
One is just procaliming his religion, doesnt matter if some one accepts or not, and another one , who kills/loots/torches the house of those who moved away from religion…Yet another calls for death sentence to those who wanted to pursue a faith of his choice.. Now, tell me, who is a fanatic here.. Yes, Im fanatic towards God, do you call this as wrong..But them I’m not fanatic against those who share a different view..
>>even god was sleeping in water , can i say that water is bigger than your jesus>>>
You got to check your English comprehension..We are not debating in Sanskrit.. God was Dwelling in water… Even Hinduism also claims God Dwells every where, be it dust, pillar or post.. So,whats the fun you are trying to kid here.. Talk meaningful in a debate..
>>i will ask you many question emmarcee. which you cant answer you can only say that we are not supposed discriminate bible>>
Who told you you can discriminate Holy Bible.. Its the word of God, and no human can demean it..Thats the difference between Hindu and Christian..You scream and resort to rape just for a SatyaDarshini..But here I am saying, You are free to dissect/comment on Bible.. I can defend it, cos I know it carrying the TRUTH..Even if I fail to answer, further pondering Bible, will get me the truth and correct response to you .. Please feel free to post your comments.. I will not say that you are denigrating Holy Bible, like any other Bajrangis
October 24th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Emmarcee>>> Christians always converted by showing their selfless work in the community and that is the whole purpose of missionary work>>>
He ..hee ..hee…..Good joke my friend.
October 24th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
sapr333>>> These kind of questions makes one clear that you are not clear about the idea of God>>>
Hey man give the proper answer abt your god without accusing the other religions.I know you dont have the answer.
October 24th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Sapr333>>> who kills/loots/torches the house of those who moved away from religion
Dear Sapr333 ,please read the history of your great arrogant and brutal religion .You can find the correct answer who has done all these killings/looting/raping/torchering the innocent people just for the survival of your religion
October 24th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Hindu to Emmarcee>>>Its our wish we worship fake gods or real gods, what bothers you bloody stupid>>
As every human beings has an inbuilt attraction towards pursuit of Truth and attraction towards his creator, there is a tendency to explore the Truth,which is inbuilt withing us.. Say for eg, A Moslem claim that, he can send suicide bombers,cos his god has asked to do so, dont you condemn it ? Are you going to tell him,so be it, you follow your god and blast all the trains/markets, and me be this way as a hindu keep on raping nuns/torching christians..!!! Be realistic. Coming to the point, lets all explore the truth, and SanatanaDharma says so…
>>If you want to follow your religion bloddy do it>>
I dont need your permission or the court or law , to pursue what my heart says.. Its our relationship between God and Myself.. Can I enter in to your heart…Or even if I give permission,can you enter in to my heart..
>>>>..dont come here and try to preach unnecessry things>>
You should ask Deepak Kamat, why he has hosted this website. He though he could instigate hindus here, but unfortunate, he has given a good platform to expose and dissect it..Thanks Kamath!!
October 24th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Easwar TRiCh>>>Its not hinduisam its sanathan dharm, where our rishis discovere more about mana(mind-its not giving full meaning to mana) our indian science is based on mana only. You all people must know that all other country men astanish to see indian who are happy without money those who are sleeping in plotform also. Its basically be cos we indian has contol over mana>>>>
How can you claim Indians were happy, when you forced 70% of the Dalit/OBC to the extreme end of social living.. Yes, ancient India could have been a happy place for Brahmins and Only Brahmins.., but majority were only forced to scavenge and menial jobs and live in poverty
An untouchable had a control of his MANA or controlled by Brahminic Varna?
October 24th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
You already concluded that your side of arguement has won. How nice.
We start at the point that we both agree a god or gods exist - otherwise - to say that there is a “spiritual realm” beyond what we feel physically. (I hate it- this is going to be a long one). First of all, the book of Christianity the New Testament is comaparitively new and written by multiple authors which itself has given rise to “internal inconsistencies”. There is no meaning in attacking Christianity for anything written in the first 4 to 6 books in Old testament which is part of the Torah. To me, it is written by ‘people” who lived anywhere between 1000 to 500 BC. Basically OT gives us idea about the concept of our own “inadequecy” in meeting t he standard of that higher power, whichever name you call it by. If you are a student of truth you can also see that “concept of God” changed drastically from OT to NT. This change was triggered by further intermingling of Hebrew faith with Persian religion which introduced concepts of Swarga and Naraka. (heaven and Hell) You can see that till the time of Babylon conquest Hebrews were thinking of Jehova as their own ultimate king who is there to guide just them and make sure that they get the best of everything. Thoughts of afterlife and punishment comes from eastern religions. Most amazingly through it all you can see historical facts in the OT. If you study it you can see that OT has a lot of prophesies about a coming Messiah - there were different versions. To put is shortly (since I am lazy) let us say, Jesus of Nazareth fullfilled a statistically impossible number of these prophesies. Even if you say some of them might be ‘concocted” (who knows? bethlehem) it was truely proven that “at the time of Tiberius” there lived a holy man who healed, gave peace to sinners, made them repent and turn their lives over and showed a whole new way of life. Even the Jews who hated him could not discard the truth that He came back live after they put him to death.
will try later,
October 24th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
The core concept of Christianity (the good news) is that jesus’s sacrifice/Bali?yajna/ death on cross is an atonement for the diffect in humans which will keep us away from the eternal truth , God the father, the creator. (from knowing him). we just have to believe that this sacrifice and god’s grace is enough for us. There is no way we can go into different detailed discussions here. An orthodox (straight) church became an establishment in later centuries which will root out all the wayward philosophies which kept on creeping in.
October 24th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
So why he is a god ?hmm.. from the prophesies he fullfilled - like the one in psalms - The Lord told my god… I think. (written 100o years before him)
Issiah 53, when you make his sould an offering for sin, he shall see His seed…
and many more which you can get from any apolegetic sites.
and from NT, it is reported that he talked about himself as alpha and omega and many otherways to indicate that he has special relationship with the “father” head and he and been there from the begining.
You ask what he has been doing? well he has been watching you. You were always getting prepared to come out and play, can’t you see that?
So let us turn to SD - a term concieved to define the philosophy which started with Vedas. Listen I have seen translations of Veda - the earliest one. If you start from here, so called SD has gone through many different ways before coming to 21st century. Now SD people want to say that forget about puranas it is the Vedas we are based on. Since when? Even SD is a mix of philosphies and faith and rituals that even the believers don’t know what they are doing. may be you guys need something equivalent of a church to weed out the unwanted. Since you did n’t do it, do not balme others for criticizing.
Your gods, which one should I take? The purusha? The Brahma? well, mostly these are non-interacting essence of the seen and unseen universe. How could you interact with that? So we created a bunch of smaller gods forst. vedas - full of Arian gods - Vayu, Agni, Sun all natural gods.. what happened to them? You don’t want the blessing anymore from the Sungod?
Then Brahmins started to take on the local (dravidian?) gods. Siva? Kali? There is no proof of someone worshipping Krishna or Rama before 200 BC. and the myths say taht they lived long before that.
I am not saying that some form of spirit may or may not exist. Some may be powerful to give you material benefits, who knows? But do you care? Where does it say in your vedas that chanting any of these gods will give you Moksha? is n’t that a later adaptation of persoanal god which spread to western part of India by first century? triggering the Bhakti Marg? None of these gods sacrificed anything for anybody. As someone else was showing even their life here was contraversial as written down by their own scribes. When did they become gods? Where did they say they are going to be back to deliver you? I know, what you are going to get is Kalki. Then you will get the last judgement.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Yes, selfless work. which you fanatics are not familiar with. A christian ( true) one is supposed to conform to the image of Jesus. In early centuries, when Chrstians were being persecuted left and right , why did the church grow? because of the “faith” people showed. because of way they lived. because of the way they helped each other.
I know and everbody knows that conversion by sword was carried out in 15th century. So? that was not 21st century. How did teh brahmin king of 2nd century BC killed of Budhists? (Pushymitra sunga) and how did Sankara caused deaths of Budhists after defeating them in debates? How did you keep Dalits enslaved through millenia? Let us look forward and have open talk.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Actually todays Hinduism should be called “brshminism” because this faith was fosterd by Brahmins. In ancient Iranian texts Hindus are called Brahmins. They were the spreaders of Vedas. They concocted stories to get the ruling faction of kings into their fols. gave them the title “kshatriya”, as long as they protect their cause. A clear example is how in early AD centuries migrating Huns were turned into Kshatriyas and connected them to Puranas by fake stories. This is the “Rajaputra:. the immigrants who became Kshatriya. In Kerala, after the Brahmins established in 7and and 8th century, they made old Dravidian kings into “varmas”, a surname that did not exist befor the coming of Brahmins. (don’t give me crap from weekipedia that Brahmins were in Kerala from “time immemmorium”). Things worked good for these kings. Brhamins will impart some Aryan blood to the royal lineage as they can marry lower castes. I know for sure Nairs of kerala is known as “sudrars” though they were the fighters. The dynasties though originated as same Dravida tribe, came to be known as Kshatriya as they were rulers. these things care known to anybody who clearly thinks and do their research.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
want anything else Hindu? yes god is watching. He gave us a solution. Christians are bound to talk about his solution, even if they get killed. Sometimes you need debates. That is how sankara got rid of Jainas and Budhists of India, right?
October 24th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
see you next week.
October 25th, 2008 at 6:36 am
Sapr333
My dear, I said its our wish we worship real or fake god (its Emmarce’s saying that Hindu’s is fake god, so). — we are not troubling others like you as you only said A Moslem claim that, he can send suicide bombers,cos his god has asked to do so, we are trying to convert anybody, we haven’t gone to other country and terrifying others!
I definitely condemn terrifying, and denigration of other religion, that is why I am hurt because of all you people who have tried here to spread false message or denigrate Hinduism.
>>> I dont need your permission or the court or law , >>>
I am not asking you to do this man..I particularly replied to Emmarce’s message, not for you, I don’t bother which religion you follow, why are you getting excited! Cool!
>>>>You should ask Deepak Kamat, why he has hosted this website.>>>
He hosted this website condemning denigration of gods in Mangalore, he is not preaching or trying to convert anybody to Hinduism using this website. If he has hosted this website means, doesn’t mean that whatever you want do, do it? What is exposing here..we know what our religion is. We have understood very well, we don’t need other should come and explain it here.
October 25th, 2008 at 6:43 am
Dear Emmarcee,
Why have you continued only on this point, “god is watching” Why there is no reply from you on
>>>Who is spreading misinformation here.. Who is telling fake gods. How do you know Hindu god is fake? Who the hell are you to tell this???
How can you tell that Christian god is real?? ISn’t he fake??
Can you proove it..>>>
???????
October 25th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Hindu>>He hosted this website condemning denigration of gods in Mangalore, he is not preaching or trying to convert anybody to Hinduism using this website>>
I always wondered why Hindus claim that they dont preach?
1) They dont want to proclaim or share the good message to others.. (call it as selfish)
2) They dont know to preach the goodness of Hinduism,cos, for last 3000 Years Brahminsm has forbiddnen the 97% Non-brahmin hindus for learning/preaching about Hinduism..
Do you call your inability as pride!! Yes, Deepak kamat will not preach to non-brahmins,thats,how he was indoctrinated in his upbringing.. He never opened his mouth here any time about Hindu Philosophy..Cos he is a True Brahmin.. Like a Chanakya, he is well trained to incite his monkey brigade foot soldier’s to Rape/Murder Christians and futher languish in jail.. And im sure his gods too did this act of rape many a time..
>>>because of all you people who have tried here to spread false message or denigrate Hinduism>>
Who denigrated your gods?.. Satyadarshini has genuine questions in terms of Morality & Philosophy… The content of that is, ‘Can the Good gods, do unholy acts like rape/murder/looting”? Sadest part is, no single person out here, has attempted to answer it!! Thats the plight of Hindu philosophy.. Btw, there is a wide spread notion that ‘Hinduism has greatest philosophies”…Its same like RSS/Bajrangi’s claiming Hindu Tolerance.. But any one who has read worldwide philosphers/evern modern days philosophers writing, would wonder, where hinduism stands!! Please attempt to answer me.
October 25th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Hindu to EMMARCEE>>>How can you tell that Christian god is real?>>
If I could respond to this… I definitely will not force you on this site to ask you to follow Jesus Christ…All I am asking is, respect the religious freedom and keep your eyes and ears open for all the good things coming in. I would really love a Hindu saying,’comon I have something better than Christ..’ I would definitely listen and get myself clarified with my debates.. If he could convince and convert me to Hindus, nothing wrong..There are peoples who got converted to hinduism, including Annie Besant..
Now dont say forced conversions.. Its the Bajrangis who claim this, but of all the hue and cry,, pls count how many persons were convicted for forced conversions in India..Think about it..
Lets not close our sense, and,above all, lets not forcibly close other;s senses/freedom.. How can Bajrangi’s control one’s heart and choice of faith? ..Thats all Im asking…. my next post will carry the right answer..
October 25th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Part II–Hindu to EMMARCEE>>>How can you tell that Christian god is real?>>
The concept of God is believed to be and widely accepted in all religions as(incl Hindism), All Powerful and Creator, with Absolute Holiness,Righteousness and Justice”.. And the creator should have the love for his creations too..
In this context, if you are a real seeker of Truth about God, I would request you to go through all religions.. And question yourself… Can God ask someone to kill his own creation to save his name.. Will the God codify some one as born low by birth? If he do a mistake, the God the father figure would forgive me or not? What if we got a chance to discuss with God himself,and question him about Human Rights violation and discrimination? Do we value and respect every human’s life? Will God approve the acts of Brahminic oppression/Hitlers Genocide etc…Why we Indians generally tend to go and help a person lying on blood in a highway, instead of hushing through ,blaming it as his Karma… And Im sure you also would have lot more questions within yourselves..
Lets explore the true God.. All said and done, let me know where you find the real hurdle is.. Lets explore the truth about God, by which, you and I would agree with SantanaDarma..
October 25th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Hindu, The whole point of my post was to say that Hindu gods are fake and give the reason Jesus is the “deliverer” who is in essence god himself as per scriptures and proof of his existence witnessed by thosusands and millions. I did not right it just like that so that I didn’t want to hurt anybody again. But since you asked, read it again and see whay I think Hindu Gods are fake based on historical facts. There were many gods like that around the world, all of them vanished and nothing happened to the world. Another point I said i sthat even if there are other “spirits” we Christians do not care anything about them. You will understand this only if you are Christian. Spirits and small gods are no match for the Almighty god, the creator. If his “seed” came here and died for us to show us a path t salvation, I think we should n’t hbe foolsih to stay away from that path.
October 25th, 2008 at 11:03 am
well, I was not there with the Gods, in the beginning. Sorry. Jesus said that a lot o fthese truth s will not be revealed to you unless the father wills so. This is the truth. You can sit in Yoga and go into Samadhi. Think that you attain Moksha because of your own austerity of practcing Dharama? Think again. We are far separated from the pureness of god by a 1000 light years. We are all born of original sin, even Brahmins, even pope or pastors. Babies are better than all of us, but still they need God’s grace to reach him. They just don’t go there just because of their purity. But the point is that this “grace” is given free to us.
October 25th, 2008 at 11:11 am
and why god is mean? hmm This is the exact question that made a lot of people atheist sor atleast Budhists agnostics. I don’t hav e time to spend hours. Why don’t you start explaining what is the explanation of Sansars Dukha in SD? (not Budhism - ofcourse that is what budha was trying to crack) . Do you want to explain everything on Dharma and Karma? a very low standard philsophy based on cause and effect and rules of common laws and Dharma which is based on caste supremacy?
October 25th, 2008