Anti-Hindu dogmas from Karan Thapar
Great men make great mistakes. Karan Thapar is not a great man. However, he has made great mistakes in his article “Who is the real Hindu” published in The Hindustan Times. Here are the Karan Thapar dogmas and my replies.
Dogma 1). “Does the VHP have the right to speak for you or I?”
Reality: Yeah, VHP has done a lot of service to Hindu activities unlike armchair intellectuals like you. They have gone deep into the forests and have saved a number of Hindus from the proselytising arms of Islam and Christianity. If Swami Vivekananda and Mahatma Gandhi were alive, they would have been proud of VHP. By the way, what have you done for Hinduism, Mr. Thapar, why should you have the right to speak for you or I?
Dogma 2. Do they reflect our views? Do we endorse their behaviour? They call themselves the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, but who says they represent all of us?”
Reality: They represent authentic Hindus and not pseudosecular Hindus like you.
Dogma 3. “This Sunday morning, I want to draw a clear line of distinction between them and everyone else. My hunch is many of you will agree.”
Reality: So you want to divide Hinduism. I don’t agree with you. I agree with VHP which wants to unite Hindus. So what is your problem.
Dogma 4. “Let me start with the question of conversion – an issue that greatly exercises the VHP”
Reality: It greatly exercised not just the VHP. It also greatly exercised one Mahatma Gandhi and one Swami Vivekananda. It also greatly exercises the common Hindus.
Dogma 5. “I imagine there are hundreds of millions of Hindus who are peaceful, tolerant, devoted to their faith, but above all, happy to live alongside Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains and Jews.”
Reality: Now I have to agree with you. You are imagining things. The history of Islam and Christianity is soaked in blood. The American historian Will Durant described Mohammedan conquest of India as the bloodiest story in the history of mankind. No Hindu is happy to live alongside Muslims. Why don’t you move over to Taliban, Regarding Christian atrocities, you would do well to read Bertrand Russell, Mr. Thapar. Besides, Sikhs and Buddhists are a part of the greater Hindu Samaj. Your pseudosecular moves at dividing Hindu society does not impress anyone.
Dogma 6. “If any one of us were to change our faith how does it affect the next man or woman? ”
Reality: Great. Now our progressive Karan Thapar is supporting medieval Christianity and Islam. And he has now proved himself to be a greater fool. Well, Christianity and Islam are medieval faiths and converting to these faiths not just makes us one man less but one enemy more. Remember, Hindus are Kafirs in Islamic parlance and heathens in Christian parlance. So Islam and Christianity are intolerant faiths and they just cannot tolerate the idolator Hindu. If you don’t understand such a simple logic, you are unfit to call yourself an intellectual, Mr. Thapar. I will now quote Thomas Jefferson, the former US President “Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. …were the Pope, or his allies, to send in mission to us some thousands of Jesuit priests to convert us to their orthodoxy, I suspect that we should deem and treat it as a national aggression on our peace and faith.”
Dogma 7. “And even if that happens with inducements, it can only prove that the forsaken faith had a tenuous and shallow hold.” “So why do the VHP and its unruly storm troopers, the Bajrang Dal, froth at the mouth if you, I or our neighbours convert? What is it to do with them? Let me put it bluntly, even crudely. If I want to sell my soul – and trade in my present gods for a new lot – why shouldn”t I? ”
Reality: Well, Mr. Thapar, authentic Hindus are not cheap like you. They value their soul and don’t sell it. So when the Islamists/Christians try to dupe our innocent brothers with allurements, we are bound to stop them from getting denationalised. Surely, we don’t want ISI agents and FBI agents in our neighbourhood. Besides, Hinduism is a noble way of life and not a killer-cult like Islam and Christianity. We are proud of our tolerant faith unlike you who seems to be paid by medieval cultists.
Dogma 8. “Even if the act diminishes me in your eyes, it”s my right to do so. So if thousands or even millions of Dalits, who have been despised and ostracized for generations, choose to become Christian, Buddhist or Muslim, either to escape the discrimination of their Hindu faith or because some other has lured them with food and cash, it”s their right. ”
Reality: If you can support conversion, you should also support prostitution. A prostitute sells her body for cash, a converter sells his soul (I am sure you don’t have one, Mr.Thapar). Or else, you would not write so cheap. Regarding poverty among Dalits, I would like to tell you that poverty is a hang-over of Islamic-British-Nehruvian rule in India. They impoverished the entire Hindu soceity during their rule. And cheap intellectuals like you have the temerity to abuse Hindu faith while it is a historic fact that Muslims, Christians, Colonialists and Communists have been responsible for nation’s poverty.
Dogma 9: “Arguably you may believe you should ask them to reconsider, although I would call that interference but you certainly have no duty or right to stop them. In fact, I doubt if you are morally correct in even seeking to place obstacles in their way. The so-called Freedom of Religion Acts, which aim to do just that, are, in fact, tantamount to obstruction of conversion laws and therefore, at the very least, questionable.”
Reality: Mr. Thapar, you want the Hindus to be sitting duck to Christian/Islamic poachers. No way, get out of your dream land. We did not bend during the past 1,000 years of Islamic/Colonialist/Christian/Socialist rule. Nor will we bend in future. We have something called as self-respect which you seem to have sold somewhere down the line.
Dogma 10: “However, what”s even worse is how the VHP responds to this matter. Periodically they resort to violence including outright murder”
Reality: When compared to Islam/Christian violence in India, the VHP violence is a damp squib.
Dogma 11: What happened to Graham Staines in Orissa was not unique”
Reality: Staines was a cheap missionary who abused Hindu Gods. The masses gave him a fitting tribute for his action. That’s all. Staines had criminal record back home in Australia. He had cases against him registered by the Orissa police. He had a handgun with him during the time of his killing. Of course, the pseudosecular media did not report this because a white man’s life is more dear than a brown man’s life. Is it not?
Dogma 12: Last week it happened again. Apart from the utter and contemptible criminality of such behavior, is this how we Hindus wish to behave? Is this how we want our faith defended? Is this how we want to be seen? I have no doubt the answer is no. An unequivocal, unchanging and ever-lasting NO!”
Well, the Christians started it through their aggressive proselytisation and the killing of Lakshmananda. So educate yourself, Mr. Thapar.
Dogma 13: The only problem is it can”t be heard. And it needs to be. I therefore believe the time has come for the silent majority of Hindus – both those who ardently practice their faith as well as those who were born into it but may not be overtly religious or devout – to speak out.”
Reality: Yes, the time has come for the ordinary Hindus to speak against pseudosecularists in Indian media like you. You people have sold your soul to the west and are very keen on ditching Hindus and Hinduism. You only speak against Gujarat riots while ignoring Godhra. You only speak out against Hindu violence while ignoring Islamic/Christian/Communist genocides. The common Hindus should kick pseudosecularists like you. The time has come for that.
Dogma 14: “Indeed, they do not defend but shame Hinduism. That”s my central point.”
Reality: Shame. What kind of shame? Didn’t you feel ashamed when the Government twiddled its thumbs during jehadi attacks? Didn’t you feel ashamed when terrorists backed by Christians are running amok in North-East? Didn’t you feel ashamed when 3 lakh Kashmir Pandits were driven out of Kashmir? Why is your shame restricted to a few stray Hindu attacks? Why don’t you direct your shame to worthy issues?
Dogma 15: I”m sorry but when I read that the VHP has ransacked and killed I”m not just embarrassed, I feel ashamed. Never of being hindu but of what some Hindus do in our shared faith”s name.”
Reality: So, you felt happy when 3 lakh Kashmir Pandits were driven out of Kashmir. You felt happy when 58 Hindus were killed in Godhra. Why is your “Sorry” selective?
Dogma 16: “This is why it”s incumbent on Naveen Patnaik, Orissa”s Chief Minister, to take tough, unremitting action against the VHP and its junior wing, the Bajrang Dal.”
Reality: Why don’t you demand strict action against those anti-national proselytisers? Sure, you don’t have the balls to demand action against the violent minorities.
Dogma 17: This is a test not just of his governance, but of his character. And I know and accept this could affect his political survival. But when it”s a struggle between your commitment to your principles and your political convenience is there room for choice? For ordinary politicians, possibly, but for the Naveen I know, very definitely not. So let me end by saying: I”m waiting, Naveen. In fact, I want to say I”m not alone. There are hundreds of millions of Hindus, like you and me, waiting silently – but increasingly impatiently. Please act for all of us.”
Reality: So now you are trying to emotionally blackmail Naveen Patnaik. Well, I would like to say that 100s of millions of Hindus are with Bajrang Dal and VHP. They are supporters of masculine Hinduism and have rejected the namby-pamby pseudosecularism that Karan Thapar endorses.
Finally, an advice to Karan Thapar:
Grow up Soon. You are full of grey hair. Unfortunately, you stop short of wisdom.
-----Email: greathindu@in.com
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September 27th, 2008 at 1:45 am
karan thapar is a charlatan. Is he the son of that vermin romila thapar that helped thoroughly falsify Hindu and Indian History.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:50 am
We are fully with the Sangh Parivar.
church (christianity) and mosque (islam) are organised religions.
They and their supporters hv a vested interest in preventing Hindus from organizing. Because once Hindus are united and organized, this churchist deceit and islamic evil can both be faced and stopped.
So all these efforts by islamists, churchists, anti-Hindu traitors in the media to prevent Hindu organisation.
I for one like millions of Hindus is with BJP/RSS/VHP/Bajrang Dal rather than with anti Hindu forces like congress I(islamo churchist), SIMI, catholic church kind of deceitful liars and their apologists.
September 29th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Also read the following responses.
Response to Hindustan Times Article “Whos the real Hindu?”
By: Bandyopadhyay Arindam
http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/india-usa-blog-column153.htm
Response to Karan Thapars Article Whos the real Hindu?
By: Chanchal Malviya
http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/india-usa-blog-column161.htm
We need to keep exposing these Jaichands within Hindu samaj and isolate them. Hindu-bashing has become a lucrative business for them, and we are the careless Hindus made them rich.
Where was this Mr Rascal Thapar, when his secular Congress-UPA govt filed affidavit in the Supreme Court declaring Sri Ram does not exist and Ramayan is a fiction? Surely, for him it was secular action by a secular govt. Anything anti-Hindu is secular.
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To quote Einstein, “The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don’t do anything about it.” [Attributed to Albert Einstein]
September 30th, 2008 at 3:23 am
@ Bharat,
It’ not Einstein. It is Edmund Burke:
“All that it takes for evil to win is for the good to do nothing”.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Please keep up the good work. Please let me any support that you need.
October 3rd, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Exactly right Mr.Kamat , it gets frustrating day in and day out to see these foxes crying over with their bloody idiotic notion of secularism for those bastards who never even understood the S of secularism , and yeah this Karan Thapar seriously needs some servicing to his brain , as it has now been infected with Jaundice and now sees everything in yellow . Millions are waiting , MY FOOT , we 800 millions of Hindus are waiting for our rights in our own land where we have been treated worse than dogs , we are waiting a day when we like the Christians and Muslims have a temple at the place where our Supreme Deity was born , we millions of Hindus await a day when we wont be called names by other religions and some of our own kin openly and bloody ashamedly say that they are ASHAMED of us. Whatever it takes , we will and we shall never ever relenquish our pride Mr.Karan Thapar .enough said and done for those idiotic minorities who under emotional blackmail have started bullying and ridiculing us !
October 4th, 2008 at 7:27 am
Remember his article “Modification of Indian Politics” after Gujarat Elections. He needs to given his dues.
October 5th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Deepak Kumar Dogma:1 (while criticizing karan thapar,)
VHP has done a lot of service to Hindu activities unlike armchair intellectuals like you. They have gone deep into the forests and have saved a number of Hindus from the proselytising arms of Islam and Christianity. If Swami Vivekananda and Mahatma Gandhi were alive, they would have been proud of VHP. By the way, what have you done for Hinduism, Mr. Thapar, why should you have the right to speak for you or I?
Reality: has gandhi or swami vivekanada given copy right to use their names for your stupid hatred campaign?
donot drag great people’s names to vouch your stupid brainless ideas beacuse you know which cannot stand on their own just like you who has to take shelter of hatred to cover your personal weakness and enemity with mulla and priest.
Vishwa hindu parishad’s only re-coverted by force and violence and there by showing that goondaism is their way of religion not love and service. they are here not to develop hinduism but threaten and impose forcefully which is against india’s secular identity. In a way they are anti-indian just like SIMI is.
Dogma2:
Vishwa Hindu parishad represents authentic Hindus and not pseudosecular Hindus like you.
Hindus are hindus. there is no pseudo-secular as claimed by you. But there are some with false ideology of hinduism but they are dime a dozen. majoprity of real hinuds donot like to practice hate-other sects policy of thses idiots.
Deepak kumar dogma3: So you want to divide Hinduism. I don’t agree with you. I agree with VHP which wants to unite Hindus. So what is your problem
Reality:
It was vhp and you who devide hindus by calling the majority who donot agree to your way as “pseudo-secularists’ and real hindus believe in unity against diversity . so that is your problem !
Deepak Kumar Dogma 4
:conversion ; greatly exercised not just the VHP. It also greatly exercised one Mahatma Gandhi and one Swami Vivekananda. It also greatly exercises the common Hindus.
Reality
Gandhiji advocated peace and non-violence and swami vivekanada with his intelligencia. the very killers’ of gandhi now want to claim his name to support which shows their stand.
recoversion is forceful rather than conversion. Conversion of heart by social service is noble than conversion by burning houses and raping nuns .
Deepak kumar dogma:5
Now I have to agree with you. You are imagining things. The history of Islam and Christianity is soaked in blood. The American historian Will Durant described Mohammedan conquest of India as the bloodiest story in the history of mankind. No Hindu is happy to live alongside Muslims. Why don’t you move over to Taliban, Regarding Christian atrocities, you would do well to read Bertrand Russell, Mr. Thapar. Besides, Sikhs and Buddhists are a part of the greater Hindu Samaj. Your pseudosecular moves at dividing Hindu society does not impress anyone.
Using history to spread hatred is a strategy used by sangh-parivar. he has used bertrand russel to attack christains and will Durant against muslims. Histrory can be used for positive relationships which they cannot use because their philosiophy is hatred.
Deepak Kumar dogma6:
If any one of us were to change our faith how does it affect the next man or woman? ” To this statement of thapar, you attacked him as a fool supporting medieval muslim and christainity and thomas jefferson’s quote against christianity .
reality: The person who has jaundice will see everything yellow. Here Thapar meant that we are a secular soverign country whose constitution is supreme and religion is personal and even you can convert a person to your faith without force . If at all that happens and your muslim neibour becomes hindu because of you Mr. thapar shouldnot have problem thatz it. he need not go to medieval christian history nor to statement of thomas jefferson.
Deepak kumar dogma 7
To Thapar’s statement that even for allurement if he wishes to get converted it is not against law and it id his personal life and who is VHP to stop him , deepak saysreal hindus wont do it. Hinduism is a noble way of life and not a killer-cult like Islam and Christianity. We are proud of our tolerant faith .
reality:
Hinduism is tolerent faith before these cowrds destroyed that glory of hinduism. It is turning into goondaism and devoid of morals. There would be a time when hindus WILL opt out of this faith because of these idiots.
Deepak kumar dogma 9:
To thapar’s comment that VHp doesnot have right legally to oppose anyway to conversion you sayMr. Thapar, you want the Hindus to be sitting duck to Christian/Islamic poachers. No way, get out of your dream land. We did not bend during the past 1,000 years of Islamic/Colonialist/Christian/Socialist rule. Nor will we bend in future. We have something called as self-respect which you seem to have sold somewhere down the line
reality:
Hindu faith reamined past 1000 years not because of VHP but because of peace-loving majority hindus inspite of colonial/islamic/rule. VHP didnot exist during that time because they fight only against un-armed innocent people who donot retaliate. How would they?
Dogma 10
Look at the way he argues here
Thapar: “Even if the act diminishes me in your eyes, it”s my right to do so. So if thousands or even millions of Dalits, who have been despised and ostracized for generations, choose to become Christian, Buddhist or Muslim, either to escape the discrimination of their Hindu faith or because some other has lured them with food and cash, it”s their right. ”
Reality: If you can support conversion, you should also support prostitution. A prostitute sells her body for cash, a converter sells his soul (I am sure you don’t have one, Mr.Thapar). Or else, you would not write so cheap. Regarding poverty among Dalits, I would like to tell you that poverty is a hang-over of Islamic-British-Nehruvian rule in India. They impoverished the entire Hindu soceity during their rule. And cheap intellectuals like you have the temerity to abuse Hindu faith while it is a historic fact that Muslims, Christians, Colonialists and Communists have been responsible for nation’s poverty.
Reality:
deepak kumar’s argument shows how crap his views are. he doesnt want to accept the truth but tries to argue without any conviction. what thapar means here is if the religion that a poor man intends to join now gives him food to eat lthen he has alll the freedom to join it rather than dying hungry . Everything that is non sangh-parivar is the reason for him for india’s dalit poverty. wow…you have great scope to bcecome rss finance minister and god save the country.
Deepak kamat dogma11
Dogma 10: karan thapar “However, what”s even worse is how the VHP responds to this matter. Periodically they resort to violence including outright murder”
deepak kamat: When compared to Islam/Christian violence in India, the VHP violence is a damp squib.
Reality
No need more examples, Orissa gujarath and karnataka are enough to show the farce of sangh parivar.
Deepak kumar dogma12:
thapar: What happened to Graham Staines in Orissa was not unique”
Deepak kamat : Staines was a cheap missionary who abused Hindu Gods. The masses gave him a fitting tribute for his action. That’s all. Staines had criminal record back home in Australia. He had cases against him registered by the Orissa police. He had a handgun with him during the time of his killing. Of course, the pseudosecular media did not report this because a white man’s life is more dear than a brown man’s life. Is it not?
reality:
The service that the slain austrailan for sick and leprosy laden shows how the murders committed. dara singh is forgiven by graham stains. the un-licenced gun is the theory mooted by deepak as he has the habit of digging just to support heinus crime of mankind. the real murderers are these napunsaks who send poor people by injecting hatred in their mind.
karan thapar:
Last week it happened again. Apart from the utter and contemptible criminality of such behavior, is this how we Hindus wish to behave? Is this how we want our faith defended? Is this how we want to be seen? I have no doubt the answer is no. An unequivocal, unchanging and ever-lasting NO!”
deepak kamat: dogma:
Well, the Christians started it through their aggressive proselytisation and the killing of Lakshmananda. So educate yourself, Mr. Thapar.
Reality: umpteen number of times and even today on camera maoists have claimed for the attack and here is a dog which barks that it was christians who started it. And these call themselves warriors..these are napunsaks..not warriors.
Deepak kumar dogma
thapar: “Indeed, they do not defend but shame Hinduism. That”s my central point.”
Deepak kamat
ogma:
Shame. What kind of shame? Didn’t you feel ashamed when the Government twiddled its thumbs during jehadi attacks?
Reality:
Jehadis are like you bhajrangdal attack innocent unarmed people. There is no difference between them and you. only difference is that you are scared for u r life where as they may not.
dogma:
Didn’t you feel ashamed when terrorists backed by Christians are running amok in North-East?
Reality:
it is rss idealogy to fight the christians because it cannot compete with them with social service.
Dogma:
Didn’t you feel ashamed when 3 lakh Kashmir Pandits were driven out of Kashmir?
Reality:
Even vhp combine took up this cause lately lest it was interested in only vested interests.
Dogma”:
Why is your shame restricted to a few stray Hindu attacks? Why don’t you direct your shame to worthy issues?
reality:
Because these attacks are against non retaliating, un-armed helpless people. If you have guts and claim masculinity why not fight for nation’s cause and join military..?
karan thapar:
I”m sorry but when I read that the VHP has ransacked and killed I”m not just embarrassed, I feel ashamed. Never of being hindu but of what some Hindus do in our shared faith”s name.”
deepak kamat : So, you felt happy when 3 lakh Kashmir Pandits were driven out of Kashmir. You felt happy when 58 Hindus were killed in Godhra. Why is your “Sorry” selective?
Reality:
nobody feels happy in destruction. but taking hanuman’s name and raping women and taking hinduism ’s name and buring muslims is shame because we share the same noble faith.
deepak kumar gogma:
karan thapar:: “This is why it”s incumbent on Naveen Patnaik, Orissa”s Chief Minister, to take tough, unremitting action against the VHP and its junior wing, the Bajrang Dal.”
deepak kamat:
: Why don’t you demand strict action against those anti-national proselytisers? Sure, you don’t have the balls to demand action against the violent minorities.
reality: every one knows the reality . the killing, attrocities, rapes, are anti-national and not proseltising.
minrities will change if you have balls to offer love insted of hatred , which you donot have offcourse.!
October 5th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Dogma.1: has gandhi or swami vivekanada given copy right to use their names for your stupid hatred campaign?donot drag great people’s names to vouch your stupid brainless ideas beacuse you know which cannot stand on their own just like you who has to take shelter of hatred to cover your personal weakness and enemity with mulla and priest.
Vishwa hindu parishad’s only re-coverted by force and violence and there by showing that goondaism is their way of religion not love and service. they are here not to develop hinduism but threaten and impose forcefully which is against india’s secular identity. In a way they are anti-indian just like SIMI is.
Reality: VHP and BD are showing GOONDAISM against those guardian angels of secularism who have besmirched Hinduism and brought a bad name to it through their preachings and atrociously mendacious pamphlets which weren’t even worth the paper they were written on , but some souls would have a problem to every opposition as only the Christina Missionaries have a God Given right to preach their brand of Ideology and when Hindus would stand up in their attempt of sabotage your heart bleeds for those monkeys , did you not know that there is an attempt to disintegrate the State of India and form the Kingdom of Lord or is it just out of the crave for bliss through ignorance you choose
Dogma2:Hindus are hindus. there is no pseudo-secular as claimed by you. But there are some with false ideology of hinduism but they are dime a dozen. majoprity of real hinuds donot like to practice hate-other sects policy of thses idiots.
Reality: Yea atleast you happen to know that there is no concept of non-hindu, but I hope you know the concept of Heathens and also the people who bring upob a brazen insult that these people who happen to follow Hinduism and what hate-other policies are you talking about ? Do you know that when it comes to HATE Hinduism will hold a corner as compared to many other religions and anyways people there are’nt out make-believes , they are truly breaking the secular fabric of India with their teachings! So please get a check about who hates you
dogma3: It was vhp and you who devide hindus by calling the majority who donot agree to your way as “pseudo-secularists’ and real hindus believe in unity against diversity . so that is your problem !
Reality: Ok so what are the seculars trying to do then ? by appeasing or favouring the minorities whose substantial section has a blind and deep spite for Hindus, and if fighting for against such kind of appeasement policies is what irks people like you because for you everything should be sacrificed by the Hindus which shall rightfully be theirs so as to prove their secular credentials. Oh HELL no , no more childplay.
Dogma 4 Gandhiji advocated peace and non-violence and swami vivekanada with his intelligencia. the very killers’ of gandhi now want to claim his name to support which shows their stand.
recoversion is forceful rather than conversion. Conversion of heart by social service is noble than conversion by burning houses and raping nuns .
Reality; Every act against Humanity is condemned by organizations like VHP and BD . Conversion too has to be from the heart , not under the guise of economic gains and other materialistic thoughts and by the way how many people are taken care of after the convert.
Dogma:5
Using history to spread hatred is a strategy used by sangh-parivar. he has used bertrand russel to attack christains and will Durant against muslims. Histrory can be used for positive relationships which they cannot use because their philosiophy is hatred.
Madam , there it takes two to tango , I hope you know how dangerous one sided Cease fire is , because if such a thing happens , the second party is in jeopardy of annhiltion and it is not because of its hate , it has to act to save itself from pillage
Deepak Kumar dogma6:
The person who has jaundice will see everything yellow. Here Thapar meant that we are a secular soverign country whose constitution is supreme and religion is personal and even you can convert a person to your faith without force . If at all that happens and your muslim neibour becomes hindu because of you Mr. thapar shouldnot have problem thatz it. he need not go to medieval christian history nor to statement of thomas jefferson.
reality: Exactly the way many like karan thapar and people like you see , right ! No One is against conversions by themselves , only one simple question would answer , if the missionaries are so much into harvesting souls and purifying minds , why care so much about lower castes and tribals there are similar beings even in the upper echoleons , and yeah mr,Karan Thapar would have to eat his words if he even spoke about medival christinaity , he would eat his words
dogma 7 Hinduism is tolerent faith before these cowrds destroyed that glory of hinduism. It is turning into goondaism and devoid of morals. There would be a time when hindus WILL opt out of this faith because of these idiots.
reality: Harping on the non-existent Goondaism and everything apart , you never answered , what about the Conversions under Allurement ? Is that a Moral thing or Legal thing to do ? we can answer the other harangue later
dogma 9:
Hindu faith reamined past 1000 years not because of VHP but because of peace-loving majority hindus inspite of colonial/islamic/rule. VHP didnot exist during that time because they fight only against un-armed innocent people who donot retaliate. How would they?
Madam are you sure there were no attempts to undermine Hindus during the past 1000 years , no stone was kept unturned , no muscle left to be flexed , no thought spared to convert a heathen into a believer , and what do you expect from hindus , to fight for survival in their own land in their own yard ,when other faiths keep on shamelessly keep appropriating their lands and converting their people , protecting them is a bit of an over-reaction for you it seems , but for people it is out of self-respect that they act , the respect they derive from being called themselves Hindus
Dogma 10
Look at the way he argues here
deepak kumar’s argument shows how crap his views are. he doesnt want to accept the truth but tries to argue without any conviction. what thapar means here is if the religion that a poor man intends to join now gives him food to eat lthen he has alll the freedom to join it rather than dying hungry . Everything that is non sangh-parivar is the reason for him for india’s dalit poverty. wow…you have great scope to bcecome rss finance minister and god save the country.
Reality: Your support of mr. Karan Thapar shows how uncommon ,common sense has become , understanding analogies is a big deal today , to mr.karan thapar who will feel it right to compare anyone to anything , but an analogy brought to his notice is crap , oh sorry , Mr.karan Thapar dosent deserve a oh so big notion of respect atleast his shenanigans don’t
dogma11
No need more examples, Orissa gujarath and karnataka are enough to show the farce of sangh parivar.
Reality
You know that there are other oganizations which are spreading terror in India and which faith they come from Oops I don’t see a Hindu organization going up over there SIMI rings a bell and Church financing terrorists in NE , how gross does that sound to you ?
dogma12:
The service that the slain austrailan for sick and leprosy laden shows how the murders committed. dara singh is forgiven by graham stains. the un-licenced gun is the theory mooted by deepak as he has the habit of digging just to support heinus crime of mankind. the real murderers are these napunsaks who send poor people by injecting hatred in their mind.
reality:
Seems that you are over-obsessed with the media yellow journos of Karan Thapar and his like , henius crime of mankind is also abusing ones faith to gain support for your owns ! do you realize that ! and yeah just get a reality check who the real napunsaks are
dogma: umpteen number of times and even today on camera maoists have claimed for the attack and here is a dog which barks that it was christians who started it. And these call themselves warriors..these are napunsaks..not warriors.
Reality:
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080063875&ch=633561585002096250
this is a link read it please you need it badly
Why should maosits be against hindu religion and favour christians in orissa because missioanries feed them and 70% of orissa maoists are christians by faith.
and with all respects to you and Mr.karan Thapar , Deepak aint no Canine , and out of disrespect for the pseudo-commie maoist bastards , we aren’t Napunsaks
dogma
Jehadis are like you bhajrangdal attack innocent unarmed people. There is no difference between them and you. only difference is that you are scared for u r life where as they may not.
Reality:
Lady , there is a theory of retaliation , if you happen to understand it , where a group of people rises against the mishaps for it , defending Jihadis by calling them reactionary , I wonder how you would defend the heinous crimes that the jehadis commit day in and day out
dogma:
it is rss idealogy to fight the christians because it cannot compete with them with social service.
Reality:
The RSS cannot compete with the slyness and vile things that the church perpetrates and the way it chooses to insult another Gods you know , after all RSS got some kind of respect for other religions and of course nations integrity is top priority for RSS
Dogma: Even vhp combine took up this cause lately lest it was interested in only vested interests
Reality:.The VHP took the issue up ,way back in 1995 , you know why people started getting J&K misplaced seats in engg colleges and yeah what has the govt done to get back the kashmiri pandits , the media or the govt has never shown interest in their return , ATLEAST VHP took the issue up , or else the govt would have left them to rot
Dogma”: Because these attacks are against non retaliating, un-armed helpless people. If you have guts and claim masculinity why not fight for nation’s cause and join military..?
reality: Instead of coming on an internet forum and calling people dogs and napunsaks , I guess you will find seriously better ways to improve the conversion tactics applied by Missionaries
Dogma
nobody feels happy in destruction. but taking hanuman’s name and raping women and taking hinduism ’s name and buring muslims is shame because we share the same noble faith.
Reality: Exactly mutual feeling , no one was happy when atrocities were committed against human beings ! but then 2000 people lynching a compartment and burning it dosent ring any bells does it ? you know there is never smoke without fire
deepak kumar gogma:
Dogma: every one knows the reality . the killing, attrocities, rapes, are anti-national and not proseltising.
minrities will change if you have balls to offer love insted of hatred , which you donot have offcourse.!
Reality :
The weakest of all arguments , apart from India how many other countries do you know which have sustained there multi-religious population for so long , if it were not for the secularism and the magnificence of Hindus , the other communities would have been real minorities by now , you know there aren’t many countries with a democracy even on the Indian Subcontinet , you know why , don’t you ?
October 6th, 2008 at 12:32 am
Shourie>>>>RSS got some kind of respect for other religions and of course nations integrity is top priority for RSS>>
When you identify God with Nationalism, its sad, that it can not be a true god, and you are terribly making a mistake and taking a nose dive..
God is for all universe, and not for India. If a god is only for India, then that could be a false god.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:16 am
Great Mr. Shourie,
Expose that pseudosecularist Kavi/Sangeetha,
She seems to be paid by the Churuch — which pays Rs. 10,000 for each conversion. For more info: read this article by Francois Gautier.
http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?artid=oqi6n5w6kGE=&Title=What+made+Hindus+angry+in+Karnataka&SectionID=XVSZ2Fy6Gzo=&MainSectionID=XVSZ2Fy6Gzo=&SEO=NEW+LIFE&SectionName=m3GntEw72ik=
October 6th, 2008 at 3:14 am
Dear sangeetha shenoy/kavita,
Great work to expose these false warriors.
mr. souri’s reply to you is so childish that shows where they stand.
Deepak is taking shelter of our veer hanuman to down-play his personal weakness. Any psychologist would catogorise him being un-real.
It is nice that you have showed them what real hindus mean when it comes to the integrity of their religion.
October 6th, 2008 at 3:17 am
It is heartening to see some bold real indians standing up for their voice amidst the rogues of hinduism.
Keep the good work kavisangeetha.
These evil perpetrators are poised for their doom but we have to save our hinduism from them.
October 6th, 2008 at 3:28 am
Some people are opening their minds against something which is bothering a lot of hindus for some time.
Karan Thapar , you have voiced our, majority of indians and how we feel.
Congratulations sangeetha your integrity cannot be questioned but of these so called saviors is at stake. These are our cancer of hinduism as rightly pointed by you.
keep up good work, we are with you.
They can do the charecter assassination and call you less dignified. but i appeciate your work and these rougues needed their own medicine for their campain.
October 6th, 2008 at 3:29 am
campaign
October 6th, 2008 at 3:33 am
Kamat>>>She seems to be paid by the Churuch — which pays Rs. 10,000 for each >>
Our law is clear. If it true, why dont the followers of Hanuman Bajrandal, complain these kinds to the nearest police station instead of resorting to Rape,Torching alive,looting and murder.
I am sure all these claims are only for the talk sake. Its funny to see the Bajrang’s claim that the Christians have only killed the swamiji, when the Moists have already accepted the responsiblity in camera..
October 6th, 2008 at 3:34 am
Dear Deepak Kamat,
Why dont you come up and share your counter-views instead of escaping with some strange comments.. You havent answered any of my posts about the hand-out..
October 6th, 2008 at 6:39 am
Its sad to see the present government at the center is doing nothing to stop the maoist/missionary(now its clear that both are same) terrorism and insurgence happening in the North East. Its a shame that a National channel openly telecasting an interview with a christain terrorist who claim to have murdered a Sanyasi yet the government who’s responsible to protect every citizen in this country, cant do a thing about it.
October 6th, 2008 at 7:09 am
@ All Defenders of Barbaric Christianity,
What exactly are you defending?
Are you defending inquisitions or are you defending fundamentalism?
October 6th, 2008 at 7:12 am
@ All,
I have not escaped with strange comments.
It is a fact that the Christians — fuelled by Uncle Same and Vatican — are plannign mass conversions @ Rs. 10,000 per convert. Look at the terrorism in North East paid for by the Baptist Church.
October 6th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Deepak Kamat>>>I have not escaped with strange comments.>>
Indeed you did… After failing to answer for all my questions, I have finally put a “Single Liner”…
Can gods be un-holy?
>>>It is a fact that the Christians — fuelled by Uncle Same and Vatican — are plannign mass conversions @ Rs. 10,000 per convert>>
If its true, Its indeed a shame for Hindu philosophy, that, its soul/adherents could be bought for $50. No other religion in the world have claimed it. If its true, then there is a serious flaw in Hindu doctrine which we need to evaluate.. Its up to you decide, whether you want to make false allegation against missionaries,and there by, you yourself is throwing muck on hiduism’s own face……
Like a head cut of chicken,you are crying and shouting over it, instead of trying to find the core weakness of Hindu dogma..
October 6th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
It is a laughing matter the way karan thapar’s views criticised. looks like deepak kumar is 9th grade fail in his life as a whole.
His so called “reality” are dogmas.
Karan thapar, we are true hindus. You have depicted the way we feel.
These so called warriors are not warriors but eunuchs who can only attack the un-armed and innocent.
Kavi-sangeetha, good job.
We are not pseudo-secular hindus. we are real and these idiots are the cancer of our faith.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
We are hindus who donot want bhajrang dal or sangh-parivar to do greater destruction in the guise of protecting hinduism.
they have made hinduism a laughing matter devoid of bhakti and full of dadagiri.
We salute you thapar for your straight views which are shared by majority of hindus.
kavi-sangeetha you have sensibly exposed the false-warriors.
keep up good work
October 6th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
The doom of hinduism is not far if these rogues are allowed to operate. These bhajrangdal and rss and sangh-parivar outfits have ruined our faith in hinduism as a religion.
They donot have any bhkati but only hatred. Should we allow these rascals to operate with in our sect?
We need moralism not barbarism which thses goons practice.
shouri’s comments to you are chidish kavi-sangeetha, just as deepak kamat’s about karan thapar.
We hate you bhajrangis. we are not pseudo-seculars as you propagate but people whose heart is in place .
we dont want goons to teach and protect our faith.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Sangeetha ’s exposure of false doctrine by deepak kamat was intersting reading. It pointed out the twisted tails of kamat to suit his philosophy.
even shouri’s reply to you seemed silly.
those who criticise them are pseudo-seculars .
There are no pseudo-seculars. We are real hindus and if at all there is divide in hindus, it is these fundamentalist idiots and normal hindus.
October 6th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Because of this RSS/Bajrangi’s hatred, the hindu society is fast becoming the victim and if it continues Hindu’s would globally be viewed in line with Islamists.
1) Every third of Indian gets educated in Christian schools. I studied in one of the finest Jesuit Catholic school, and during my times there were only 5 Christians over the 60 strength i the class and all of them became Doctors/Engg/IIT..Such was the quality of education and their tough admission process,even a Bishop reccomends, they wont give admission to a Christian, unless he ranks in the entrance test.
Fifteen years ago, RSS did a stone-throwing act on this school…Jesuits off late realised, and changed the admission procedure.. 50% reserved for Christians and 50% for Poor lower caste hindus, and upper caste hindus and riches were denied admission.. Result? In the same ratio, it churns out top class Engineers and doctors..And still it ranks the number one school.
Now RSS attempts to trouble it.. But the local poor hindus, whose children were getting educated, gave the Bajrangi’s a run and they protect the school.
October 6th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
@ All those who hate me,
You are actually loving me. Because love and hate are the expressions of the same energy.
Keep reading my site and decondition yourself from anti-Hindu dogmas.
October 6th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Deepak kamat>>>All those who hate me,You are actually loving me>>>
No one hates you.. I only feel pity for your lack of Knowledge & Relative subject. And I couldn’t control the laughter about your claim of ‘Writing a Book on Hinduism”..
>>>Keep reading my site and decondition yourself from anti-Hindu dogmas>>
You havent reponded meaningfully to those questions about Hindu-dogmas.
October 7th, 2008 at 1:22 am
Natiional head of bhajrang dal prakash sharma was a laughing stock with his idiocracy last night on cnn ibn live.
Deepak Kamat, this is what pesudo actually means. who says one thing and does the opposite.
Dogma:
he said no-where in india bhajrang dal involved in attacks on churches and christians.
reality:
Karnataka head of bhajrang dal accepted their involvement openly on camera.
orissa , no need to explain.
Dogma: he claimed that Bajrang Dal is not a militant organisation but a nationalist and patriotic one.
reality:
patriotic organization demonstrates peacefully, Respects law, holds constitution supreme and doesnot rape women and burn people alive it is only desh-drohis do.
dogma: he claimed “We have fought in Jammu (over the Amarnath land row) and we have fought for Ram Janambhoomi. We weren’t violent or militant in both these struggles,”
reality: their invilvement in amarnath row has led world support to azad kashmir .
their involvement in ram-janmbhoomi issue is primary reason for educated muslim youth into terrorism as pakistan exploited the injustice done to them.
The goverment should ban bhajrangdal and rss along with SIMI and save India from hatred.
October 7th, 2008 at 1:28 am
Counter-argument to kavi-sangeetha by shourie looks so silly.
It highlights foolishness of deepak kamat questioning integrity of mr. karan thapar and substantiating his claims from quotes of bertrand russel .
mockery of hindu gods by these idiots nothing else.
October 7th, 2008 at 1:33 am
It is true sangeetha shenoy that our faith is insulted by these rogues who claim themselves as warriors.
Being hindus we support the government to ban them so that we can save hinduism from further deterioration.
thse are not warriors but rapists and murderes who are blot to our hindu legacy of love.
October 7th, 2008 at 1:45 am
these very murderers of gandhiji now take shelter in him to give vent to their hatred.
they have maligned spoiling name of swami vivekanand by these rapes and burning people alive.
they have maigned heroic veer hanuman by their works of cowardice by killing raping burning innocent people alive who donot retaliate.
The biggest relief in india when they get banned will not be for christians and muslims but for hindus who are the greatest losers because of these cowards who attack only non-attacking innocent people.
October 7th, 2008 at 2:16 am
For Karan Thapar
Why conversion is necessary?
Why not u respect your born Religion?
When u change your born religion means u r insulting your born religion and people follow that religion?
October 7th, 2008 at 2:43 am
subhash savji >>> Why conversion is necessary?>>
Whas your problem if a Hindu/Muslim reject it and converts to Hinduism…Its basic freedom and fundamental rights for a human to choose in what way he want to commune with God.. What if some one wants to totally exit religion and convert to aethism..Are you going to stop? Or can we, or any law stop what his heart feels?
Its one’s personal choice of choosing/rejecting a religion/ideology/doctrine…So why you want to deny the basic right? First of all its a communion between man-God.. Can any law stop, what a man pursues in his heart? Do we have any mechanism to track it..
>>>Why not u respect your born Religion?>>>
Who are you to forcibly asking for respect. Wont a religion looses its respect automatically if their followers justify the ideology of Bomb blasts/terror attacks/ Raping/Torching alive innocents/looting/demolishing..
October 7th, 2008 at 4:29 am
Sanathan Dharma cannot be compared with any of the man made religions which is the root cause of all these problems in this country. Obsession with thoughts of racial superiority stem from deep seated feelings of inferiority… and self-doubt…
why oh why is it so important for Moslems to make everyone Islamic, for Christians to make everyone Christian… they must have very weak faiths and be very insecure people.. to act in this way…
the hate and aggression of Islam and Christianity towards other faiths stems from self-doubt and uncertainty.
Today if I chose to become a Christian or a Moslem on my own, I don’t think the VHP or Bajrang Dal people will come and loot/torch alive/rape as posted by many people here. Problem will definitely occur if the missionary terrorists dare to unveil evil designs to change the demography of this country like what they have done in Orissa or Mangalore…It’s only natural. Bharat belongs to Hindus and those people who acknowledge the fact that their ancestors were Hindus. This is a country that has revered even an Atheist like Charvaka. Jews and Pharsis are comfortably living in this land for hundreds of years without any problem. Can anyone site a single instance of an unrest between these communities and Hindus? They don’t want to make their religion a “SUPER HIT” among religions. Let the missionaries go to places like Africa, Bangladesh and Pakistan to do their “humanitarian work”. WE HINDUS DON”T WANT TO WORSHIP UNDER THE THREAT OF ETERNAL PUNISHMENT WHICH IS NO DIFFERENT FROM HAVING SEX WHEN A GUN IS POINTED TO YOUR HEAD…IT”S CALLED RAPE…….
October 7th, 2008 at 5:09 am
>>>why oh why is it so important for Moslems to make everyone Islamic, for Christians to make everyone Christian>>
If I may ask you the same, what is so important for Bajrang dal asking each one to remain and locked in the same faith? Who are to determine others personal freedom and his choice of relation ship with God?
Like hindus Parsis/Jews/Kerala Orthodox Christians do not attempt to proclaim their religion, cos they are mostly set by lineage, and little bit of racist mind..And all these are facing dooms day,because they dont want to share with the others the goodness they enjoyed. Religion doesnt come by birth, its all about how we follow!!
When someone finds something good in his ideology/doctrine/dharma, he would definitely long to proclaim it,and share it with others.
>>Sanathan Dharma cannot be compared with any of the man made religions >>
If you feel so, go justify/convince the whole world to follow it, if it can do good to humans. Why are you confining that goodness within you. Go an preach the whole world about Santana Dharma..God is not alone for India, so, spread this message all out of the globe. Unless you are selfish,like how access to Hindu scriptures were denied to non-brahmins…Please spread the goodness to every man kind.. I know you cant, cos you dont have logical concept in it, and you can only resort to rape/murder/torching when questioned by a hand-out/tract.
October 7th, 2008 at 5:14 am
SK>>>WE HINDUS DON”T WANT TO WORSHIP UNDER THE THREAT OF ETERNAL PUNISHMENT …….>>>
I can only call it as your ignorance about Hinduism. This is exactly what makes others to question about the logic about accountablity to God , in Hinduism..
If you dont believe in eternal punishment of God, first of all, why you need God to govern you? Is that doctrine of yours is inspiring all these Bajrangi’s to resort to rape/torching alive/looting/demolishing.
October 7th, 2008 at 5:44 am
Spar333, Gods and religions are all personal choices and liberty, so better leave it to individual choice..no matter whatever you do along with the so called self proclaimed defenders of secularism like Teesta, Arundhati Roy or Medha Patakar and the missionary backed news channels like cnn-ibn/times now, the people by and large in this country are voting the saffron brigade to power. It’s very little the missionary terrorists with the help of the Italian can do to stop this. Jews are facing the problem today only because of the evil plans chalked out and executed by the vatican backed countries. They have the courage to defend themselves…So do we Hindus…
If one carefully scrutinizes the history of the Christian world for the past 2000 years.. one realizes that they are no more moral or ethical or loving that the non-christian peoples.. in fact in many ways (in view of the Holocaust and the Inquisition)…Christian peoples are less peaceful or loving or moral than Buddhist and Hindu nations. I dont want to lower myself to worship a God who tortures for all eternity with no hope of reform or repentance.
Your last paragraph on God shows your utter ignorance on Sanatahan Dharma. Unlike the Bible or Koran which are only “manuals” and that too “read only” we have all scriptures that happened to humanity opened for all not only to read, but we can also “edit” it as and when required. Vedavyas and Valmiki were not Bhramins…and look how every Hindu is respecting them…
Obsession with thoughts of racial superiority stem from deep seated feelings of inferiority… and self-doubt…
why oh why is it so important for Moslems to make everyone Islamic, for Christians to make everyone Christian… they must have very weak faiths and be very insecure people.. to act in this way…
the hate and aggression of Islam and Christianity towards other faiths stems from self-doubt and uncertainty.
October 7th, 2008 at 5:49 am
SK>>>Your last paragraph on God shows your utter ignorance on Sanatahan Dharma.>>>
I have a simple question.
Can god’s be un-holy and do un-holy activities like abduction,rape,murder etc etc? Can these god’s story can be given to our children to follow? Can they be inspirations?
PS: I have a lot to respond to you.. will catch up with u later..
October 7th, 2008 at 5:56 am
These are only allegations… first you find a solution for the rape/pedophilia happening inside seminaries and churches..
Hindus doesn’t worship a Quid-pro-Quo god… you do something for Me, I do something for you… you dont do something for Me,
I dont do something for you…. No… thats not the way it works… you will be placed on my right side or you will be given “virgins” and “young boys” when you die…Hindu Gods are more compassionate and unlike the western ones…
Obsession with thoughts of racial superiority stem from deep seated feelings of inferiority… and self-doubt…
why oh why is it so important for Moslems to make everyone Islamic, for Christians to make everyone Christian… they must have very weak faiths and be very insecure people.. to act in this way…
the hate and aggression of Islam and Christianity towards other faiths stems from self-doubt and uncertainty.
October 7th, 2008 at 6:01 am
Means u r saying Christan Gods better than Hindu gods and it is easy to communicate with them.
don’t u think, u r directly insulting Hindu gods and followers of Hindu gods.
If u change your religion, means u r not at all trust able.
If u r not respecting Indian culture, u r not respecting Indian.
No other religions try to convert the people, why u Christan try to convert and humiliate other religion/gods.
2.5 billion Christan on the earth even though u r hungry for more.
This world is Christan world. Only one Hindu country and u r trying Destroy our culture.
Plz. Stop conversion.
October 7th, 2008 at 8:17 am
insane dogma of deepak kamat;
“All those who hate me,You are actually loving me. Because love and hate are the expressions of the same energy.”
Reality: Was it the same energy of love of yours burnt helpless christians alive?.
Was it the same love energy that made 50000/- dalit christians rendered homeless by torching their homes and belongings?
was it the same love energy raped nuns to show masculinity?
hypocryte you are but you are curse to your own mother !
Hanuman will stamp on your throat and it is just a matter of time.
You have murdered the very ethos of hinduism by these crime against humanity.
Normal person will not have so much hatred towards his fellow beings. you are special case which need to be treated at nimhans.
But as far as you being eunuch ( very reason for not marrying) shows in your aboriginal taste for blood. but if you consult psychologists they would advice you how to be normal though born with abnormal difficulties.
donot take hanuman’s name for your weakness please, hanuman was never a hedi like you who can do all attrocities against other sect just because they donot retaliate.
dont call us pseudo-seculars . we are hindus and we are ashamed of you dogs !
October 7th, 2008 at 8:28 am
hinduism as a religion would definetly be saved from this malice if government bans these bhajrangdal rss, vhp and simi.
hindus need to come out in streets to oppose the dongi-warriors then only hindu legacy of love can be achieved.
hindus need a few swamis devoid of sangh-parivar affiliations to revive hinduism and free it from fanatics and show bhkti-marg to reach moksh not dadagiri.
October 7th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Dear Fellow Hindu Sisters/Brothers,
Please don’t make comments, which reflects your lack of self-confidence and self-respect. Note, nothing can destroy Sanatan Dharma. So, when nothing can destroy it, why worry for saving it? It survived and will always survive by its own strength. It is Sanatan, Eternal. Our actions for protection of Sanatan Dharma are nimitta matra, as Arjuna was nimitta matra to emiliminate adharmic Kauravas. Sri Krishna would have done that without Arjuna, and Sanatan dharma will always be there even without us.
Please don’t always keep putting fingers on other Hindus, their work, and cursing them. Please do something good by yourself, then you will have no time to cursing other Hindus. Sangh Parivar is there, so Hindus found a space/platform to speak out, to voice out. Imagine, 20 years back situation. Hindus were suffocating under the suppressive, oppressive regimes and tactics of Congress. Try to see the good of Sangh Parivar and its social-educational services across the nation, which most Hindus are not aware of. We get feeded by the anti-Hindu virus called Sickular media, whose only agenda is speaking ill of Hindus, ill of Hindu organizations.
Please read some good books of/on Swami Vivekananda to built self-confidence and self-respect. This is my appeal and friendly suggestions. As Shri Ravindra Nath Thakur (Tagore) said:
“If you want to know India read Swami Vivekananda. In Him, everything is positive and nothing negative.”
Ramakrishna Math and RK Mission
http://www.belurmath.org/swamivivekananda.htm
October 7th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
>>>Hindu Gods are more compassionate and unlike the western ones…>>>
But they confined 70% of the Indian population(dalit/OBC) to strive with menial jobs like scavenging and denied even the basic right to have literay.. We are talking about 700 million oppressed population here. Do you call this as a compassionate measure..
Its not past.. Even we can see self-immolation againt up liftment of the same people..Anti-Reservationist could even shut down AIIMS.. Dont compare it with west.. Once they realised the mistakes of past black oppression they came out very well with Affirmative action…
Hindu gods are more compassionate!!! huh.. read your books… Why Surpanaka;s nose was cut.. Why molten lead was forced on dalits ears, for chanting slogan OR crossing the pathway of Brahmin.. Show me one instance where hinduism advocates compassion..
October 8th, 2008 at 2:45 am
HOLY HINDUISM – is like the infinite reaches of free-flowing space, and allows all “harmless beings of good will” the freedom, right, and respect to practice their own faiths according the needs of their own consciences and souls, without insult and persecution. Without degradation and suppression and murder. It is open, generous and understanding.
Hinduism: Knows how to co-exist in a diverse and complex world, without forcing the proselytistic insecurities of ignorance and doubt upon others via conversion, arrogance, misinformation, and force.
Hinduism has been the loving, guiding and saving grace of my life from an early age. After searching the worlds religions for many years, I have finally found a religion (Sanatana Dharma) with unlimited approaches the the One unlimited source of all existence.
Hinduism: As the world’s oldest living religion, has stood the tests of time as no other faith in the world has done. While remaining a beacon of spiritual blessings, spiritual vitality, and spiritual wisdom to India and since the 20th century to the
whole world. This phenomenal expanding and sharing of Hinduism’s light and love to the world after a thousand years of abuse at the hands of other religious and political aggressors is no less than a continuing action of divine love to world peace and brotherhood. An example others only talk about while using their wealth to “convert others to their own brand of ignorance.
Hinduism; has an unparalleled record of spiritual giants and Fully
enlightened beings who have nurtured, guided and protected India through many holocausts and transitions.
Hinduism; has brought us the highest yogic and mystical teachings which are now propelling even the average householder to higher consciousness.
teachings which for centuries no one else has been able to so fully clarify and demonstrate to all who have eyes to see.
Hinduism; is the light of blessings the nurtured such great ones as Rama, Krishna, Shankara, Buddha, Ramakrishna, Mira Bai, Mahavatar Babaji, Lahiri Mahasaya, Sri Yukteswar, and Paramahansa Yogananda, etc etc etc .
Hinduism; has been the source of much of the worlds spiritual and scientific knowledge and mathematics since times unknown. Having given to all the keys to true salvation, which can be found even before death.
Hinduism; has been a haven of compassion and peace for many others being persecuted throughout history, such as the Jews, Zoroastrians, Tibetan Buddhists, and those of other faiths who sought the deeper meanings of life and truth.
Hinduism; welcomes all with open arms, arms that do not suffocate the soul with endless, pointless demands. Those matters are usually emphasized which will lead the devotee to greater freedom and awareness.
Hinduism; but most of all, the Sanatana Dharma has given purpose, fulfillment, growth, meaning, faith, and joy and a deeper awareness to my being an inseparable and fully connected part of this infinite existence, consciousness, and bliss of divine love- which many call God..
October 8th, 2008 at 10:01 am
Karan Thapar is not just Devil’s advocate but himself avatar of Devil .
October 8th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Hi Sangeeta & sripriya
Your karan thaper was raped in his own show when he is misrepresenting the Jammu agitation and for the for the first time karan looked like a sitting duck.. not aware of what was happening…completely incapacitated by arun jaitley’s wisdom and knowledge..
Where are you guys & where is your enthusiasm when 400,000 Hindus were thrown out of Kashmir valley, when there are so many Atrocities happening on hindu women in Assam & the NE states, When Christian cross symbol was printed on 2 rs coin by replacing our national sysmbol, when 58 Hindus were burned alive in Godhra.
Why can’t you raise your voice against the govt when it filed false affidavit in supreme court stating that lord Rama’s character is imaginary. Why can’t you people condemn When Christian missionaries are distributing the abusive literature on Hindu gods and asking to remove the tilak and the other symbols which represents Hinduism in their schools. Why your humanity, sympathy is so selective.
When you people can’t condemn or can’t raise your voice against hindu discrimination, atrocities,people like Deepak ,me will be born to counter such pseudo secular hindus.We will fight against these junk anti hindu forces and their supports till our last blood and I am sure we are definitely going to win.
October 8th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
It is very difficult to dichotomize which group(VHP VS CHRIS MISSIES) is right/wrong.
Lets start with a premise that religion is a personal choice.I do beleive it is a personal choice and we should respect any persons desicion to choose his religion of his choice and VHP /B.D has no right to forcibully reconvert.
But hazy part of this problem which cannot be clearly defined (but time and again I have witnessed ) is the fact that chris missies are predatory,they use what ever is in thier disposal to groom people (and yes love and service are also at their disposal) and once converted they brain wash convertees to hate hindus.
When we analyse hinudism vs (chris vs islam ).the last to dogmas leave no scope for personal choice,that is what scares me as a hindu .
What happens when islam or christianity gets upper hand is really scary.(in this case islam >christianity).
Though I am not a religious person , Born as hindu ,I would like get old as hindu (because I love to celebrate various festivals ,which are culturally very important for me.I might even like to visit a temple now and then.This was not possible for me when I was living in a christian dominated area(they didnt do me any harm ,but were constantly questioning my belief system(of which I had no idea,except celebrating our beautiful festivals) ,which was very irritating .
Just to make myself on par with them I read parts of bible.It literaly scared me.I felt they are not just monotheists, they can be monstrously monotheist.
So simple (might not be a total solution for this problem is) government must EDUCATE AND PROVIDE SUPPORT AS MUCH AS THEY CAN TO THESE POOR PEOPLE SO THAT THEY ARE NOT VICTIMS TO PREDATORY MISSIONARIES.
AND CLEARLY VHP /B.D MUST NOT DO FORCEBLE RECONVERSIONS OF THESE WEAK PEOPLE, WHO WILL BE OBSULUTELY SHATTERED IN THEIR ENERGIES AND SPIRIT BY EVIL POLITICS OF BOTH YOUR GROUPS.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:24 am
@Kavi-Sangeetha
You talked a lot about what Hinduism has taught us or whats not.I too believe in non-violence and Gandhi ji or Swami vivekananda’s Philosophy.I from the core of my heart hate Nathuram as he killed Gandhi ji at wrong time.He should have killed him either too early so that Gandhi coundnt do what we kashmiri Hindoo faced in 1989(Ethnic Cleansing of Hindoos from valley ) or Nathu should have killed him once Gandhi ji would understand that what he has done with this country on the name of his Non-voilence.
Kavi-Sangeetha ,you talked about hindoos killed christans and then why the hell you missed about Assam where Christans are killing us.We never started anything ,neither Godhra nor mangalore or orrisa roits.We are also against killing others but what if some come to your home and rapes your daughters and mothers infront of you.Do you follow Gandhi ji’s policy of Ek ki Izzat kiyu luti dosari ki bhi lutoo.If thats the case then I think there is no need to talk with people like you because you are suffering from a pschological problem,which cannt be cured unless you will be affected .May God put you in our places ,in place of lacs of Hindoos of kashmir ,who are refugee in their own country and people like you are still talking of Pseudo-secularism.
Source : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Bodo_rebels_involved_in_ethnic_cleansing_Assam_govt/articleshow/3564818.cms
UDALGURI: Authorities in Assam on Monday said the violence over the weekend that killed 32 people and injured more than 100 was systematic ethnic
cleansing perpetrated by the National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB), a rebel group fighting for an independent tribal homeland.
“The violence in the three districts of Darrang, Udalguri and Baksa was not due to clashes between the tribal Bodos and immigrant Muslims, but a planned ethnic cleansing by the NDFB to drive out all non-Bodos from the area,” Assam government spokesman and Health Minister Himanta Biswa Sarma said.
“We have already arrested four NDFB cadres on Sunday, with weapons, who were involved in killing a woman and a child in Baksa district,” he added.
There have been several incidents of arson overnight with panic stricken villagers fleeing their homes.
“Miscreants set ablaze a cluster of homes in about three villages late Sunday, although there has been no fresh casualty,” a police official said.
More than 600 homes have been burnt since Friday, when clashes first broke out, and at least 60,000 people have fled their villages in an area controlled by the Bodo Territorial Council (BTC), a politico-administrative structure, formed after New Delhi signed a peace accord with the militant Bodoland Tiger Force in 2003. The BLT is now a disbanded outfit with its former members now heading the BTC, an autonomous body.
The former BLT and the NDFB are at war for territorial supremacy with bitter fratricidal clashes between them in the last four years claiming more than 100 lives. But the NDFB, currently in a ceasefire mode with New Delhi since 2005, has not given up its demand for an independent Bodo homeland with the Bodo community in a majority in the three violence-hit districts in northern Assam.
“This is not a clash between Hindus and immigrant Bangladeshi Muslims as projected, but a systematic pogrom by the NDFB as many of the people affected by the violence are genuine Assamese Muslims, Bengali Hindus, common Bodos, besides a few Adivasis (tea plantation workers) as well,” the minister said.
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The NDFB is a majority Christian outfit with the outfit’s top leader Ranjan Daimary believed to be operating out of Bangladesh.
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“We are investigating reports of the involvement of the NDFB in the clashes and if proved we shall be forced to call off the ceasefire,” Assam Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi said.
“Strict orders have been issued to the security forces, including the army, to shoot at sight anybody found indulging in violence,” he added.
Of the 32 killed, 15 died in police firing, while the remaining were killed in clashes with armed mobs carrying bows and arrows, spears, machetes, and even guns.
“The NDFB cadres used light machine guns and other sophisticated weapons in targeting non-Bodos,” the police official said.
Sarma said miscreants from various communities were trying to take advantage of the situation by indulging in arson with a view to looting properties.
“In the final analysis this is not a communal clash,” he said.