DENIGRATION OF HINDU GODS IS THE REAL REASON FOR ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS IN MANGALORE
The Following are the list of abuses from one such book – Satya Darshini – distributed by the missionaries of New Life. This book is in Kannada and the translation of the abusive passage is as follows.
· Urvashi – the daughter of Narayana– is a prostitute. Vashitha is the son of this prostitute. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)
· When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a need for us to liberate his misled followers. (page 50)
· It was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were themselves the victims of lust, it is a sin to consider them as Gods. (page 39)
· When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others. Their projection as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).
· When Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so. How can such a “evil brahma” be a Creator of this Universe? How is it possible for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be gods? (page 39)
· God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are worshipping False Gods that believe in the pleasures of illicit ‘Vyabichari’ relationships. (Page 39).
2. All the 16 incidents that took place were not attack on Churches. In fact, unauthorized prayer halls were attacked where the blasphemous pamphlets were distributed and aggressive proselytisation was taking place. These 16 incidents were not localized but took place across three districts of Mangalore, Udupi and Chikmagalur.
3. The only place where attacks took place apart from New Life Prayer Halls was at a small prayer hall in the premises of Milagres Church in Mangalore, where some miscreants had damaged a Jesus idol. The VHP and the Bajrang Dal have condemned the attack at this place. Following this incident, a Christian mob gathered and the situation went out of control as the mob started pelting stones and disrupting traffic. The police was forced to intervene and this resulted in unsavoury violence.
4. Since the past two days, it is not Hindu-Christian clashes that are taking place. In fact, it is more appropriate to call it”Christian-Police” clashes since the Christians holed up in Churches have engaged themselves in pelting of stones and disruption of traffic. The Police were forced to enter the Church to clear the mob and they found arms inside the Church.
5. Incidents of Stabbing were reported in around four or five places across Mangalore district. In fact, an activist belonging to Shri Ram Sena was stabbed which led to a bandh call by Shri Ram Sena – a Hindu outfit that is not connected to Sangh Parivar.
6. The VHP and the Bajrang Dal have condemned the desecration of Jesus idol at the prayer hall adjacent to the Milagres Church in Mangalore. They have also clarified that they are not against the Catholic faith and the Churches. However, they have clarified that the public outcry would continue as long as illicit conversion activities and blasphemy of Hindu gods take place.
7. Even the Kandhmahal murder — which involved the killing of Hindu monk Swami Lakshmananda by missionaries – seems to have caste a shadow on this incident since the general public seems to have seen through Christian aggression.
8. It may be recalled that there was a public outcry against illegal prayer halls in Davanagere district last week. In that case, the administration had closed the unauthorized prayer halls that were mushrooming in the region.
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September 23rd, 2008 at 12:05 pm
@ Above,
Let those anti-Hindus come up with more cheap inaccurate allegations regarding Hinduism.
I will answer them all.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:08 pm
For the moment, I will allow other Hindus to do the talking.
In the end, I will answer all the cheap allegations.
I challenge all the anti-Hindus to convince me to desert Hinduism. I am not convinced with their cheap allegations against Hinduism.
Of course, I will answer in the end, when all the barking dogs are finished with their barks.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:14 pm
It really hurts our feelings when these people say pigs, dogs…and abuse our god..like naked one…
Are these people real Christians or converted one? is this the way to behave? does their religion teaches this only? to behave like this very cheaply? Whatever it is…dont want other should speak about us and our god/religion…it hurts a lot to all Hindus…
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:29 pm
@ SR,
In intellectual activities, you cannot afford to be emotional. However, the common man does not understand it. He is bound to attack the Christians whenever Christians abuse Hindu Gods.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:36 pm
That is what hurts a lot here..These Christians doesn’t know anythng about Hindu religion, simply they talk..Atleast they should respect the other religion as a good human.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Read the beautiful site below to know Vedic-Hindu-Indic culture, civilization, heritage, history etc.
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Cheap allegations are made by you guys…
@SR
You see God in everything, but forget to see the real God who created you.
Just try doing that with your father and see how angry he will become. How many fathers can a person have?
There is only one God and when you dont worship Him, you make Him angry by praising something that doesnt deserve praise.
You’ll know it some day.
I believe, before you make false allegations against Christians get a Bible and read it, also read your vedas and see that the central point in both literatures is Christ.
http://insearchofpeace.org/3v17issue.htm
http://www.sdaindia.net/jesus_in_hindu_scriptures/jesus-in-hindu-scriptures.html
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
“Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing” Luke 23:34
This is the Prayer that Christ is doing for all of you at the right hand side of the Father everytime you abuse or make any false allegation against Him.
I pray that He may speak His Word to you guys some day. Please do not Harden your hearts against the true God, who has Died for you as a sacrifice…
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:51 pm
@ SR,
Don’t worry about these cheap anti-Hindu abuses and allegations. I will give it a fitting reply. I have come across such cheap filth before. I know how to deal with it.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:54 pm
@ SR.
Your comment, “It really hurts our feelings when these people say pigs, dogs…and abuse our god..like naked one…”
1. Christians, older or neo-converts, have nothing to offer good. Thats why they have to speak ill of others, to keep their own flocks and to bring some more by deception. This is the age-old practice of a aggressive cult called christianity.
2. It seems core philosophy of Christianity is hate, violence, abuse against others faiths and culture, and intimidate and force others to convert. Not only Hindus, they abuse all others, Jews, Muslims, etc. Even a man called Pope, he openly used derogatory and degrading language against Islam’s Profet Muhammed.
Pope’s word: “Show me just what
Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached”.
The head of the Muslim Brotherhood said the Pope’s remarks “aroused the anger of the whole Islamic world”.
Pope words and how muslims reacted.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5347876.stm
3. What former US President said on christianity.
Thomas Jefferson, the former US President, had mentioned, “Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. …were the Pope, or his allies, to send in mission to us some thousands of Jesuit priests to convert us to their orthodoxy, I suspect that we should deem and treat it as a national aggression on our peace and faith.”
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Well, Bharat has done my job better.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm
@Deepak
You are calling Gods love as cheap??
You were bought with a price, and that price was Christs blood, His sacrifice on the Cross. The very breath that you are beathing is God breathed…
You’ll know it one day..
@SR
You were speaking in your earlier comments about the killing of Swami in Orissa and said that we dont value a life.
Did you know how many people were killed when they just wanted to celebrate Christmas in 2006?? All attacks planned by this swami.
Do you know how many orphan children who had good homes again became orphans?
Did you know kids below 10 years were burnt alive by the VHP ppl??
Did you know how many nuns were raped and killed??
Did you know how many priests were attacked and killed??
Did you know how many people were attacked and killed just because they chose to become Christians??
Did you know how many are forced to re-convert to Hinduism using swords and knives??
Read the truth my dear friend
http://orissaburning.blogspot.com/
Deepak, I’m sorry to say that instead of condeming violence you are supporting it. Not a word from you about the attacks…
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:10 pm
You Indians who boast of Gandhigiri and the Munnabhai movies….
Did you know that all the non-violent methods he chose were an inspiration to him from the Bible???
How can you term the Christian religion as violent??
FYI, I know a person who was once an RSS activist and now a christian. Watch angel TV, Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj was a Hindu temple priest.
None of them were forced… They are all now Christians…
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:41 pm
@Deepak
I advise you to get a Bible and read it before making false statements..
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:20 pm
@ Ajit:
Aggressive fake messages and name shows you are a convert christian. Correct me if I am wrong. What a joke, you talk of non-violence, peace… Does your new found religion teaches them, do you practice them? Why not practice them, the world and India would be a better place to live.
Here is a site for Old Testament, New Testament.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
This site gives Highlights on Old Testament, New Testament.
Highlights from the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/highlights.html
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:42 pm
its an horrible fact.
its asaimed of us.
why cant we burn that book?
September 23rd, 2008 at 9:20 pm
@Bharath
I am not a convert but a staunch Christian right from my forefathers.
You talk that we must practice non-violence, but you can practice violence is it?? Christians Practice Non-Violence and pls get your facts right. Just reading only skeptic and anti-Christian sites will not help you. You need to read the Bible to know whats Peace and Love. What Hinduism teaches is aham Bramham(self) so you guys think you are Gods… Man how many gods can there be??? Heard of the “too many cooks spoil the broth” proverb?? Thats just what is happening in this country. Every other Hindu claims he is god and does not repect others. Thats why this country is not prospering. When good ppl like the missionaries help the poor you guys stop them… You never see Bajrang Dal or other hindu fanatics take care of ppl like the Christians… Christianity is synonymous to service and love… Lots of examples like Mother Theresa are there who do provide service, hence there are most number of orphanages and old age homes run by Christians. You guys have just started these services, that too just to show off…
There are only few dedicated Hindu service institutions…
Did you read the biography of Gandhi. He himself did like the teachings of Christ and he implemented them. Thats what you call Gandhigiri these days….
Dont just read articles or statements made by ppl who never understood God. I think I have posted a comment here before about this that every Christian may not goto heavan. God will judge based on his life on earth. Christianity is not by name or appearance, its the true repentence of ones heart accepting His/her mistakes in life and praying for forgiveness.
The Bible is the only book to be translated in every language.
Its the only book written by diffenent people of different cultures and different places with the same message. The books of the Bible were archeological findings, supporting history. The Bible contains several books in itself obtained from different places, yet had a central or unique Subject. Go read your Vedas, even they tell about Christ. There are many Hindu scholars and priests who became Christians after reading the bible…
@Rahul
My dear friend, I will pray for you. You are thinking of burning the Gods word???
Every true Christian strives to be like Christ and tries to Humble himself. Thats why service and love are so important to us. There may be certain ppl who may not be true christians, but look at the true Christians and know the real God. Today you hindus claim to be the owners of this Land but have a look at how many established service institutions you have. christians have schools, colleges, orphanages, oldage homes, NGO’s all over the country. This itself shows that that Christians want to serve and help. Dear friends pls see the facts, open your eyes, pls dont kill your conscience….
September 24th, 2008 at 12:36 am
@Bharath
Did you read the Bible or just googled around..??
Remember, even the Satan used Bible quotations to tempt Jesus, but failed terribly…
Read the Bible carefully. Let me tell you some facts. Read through these links
http://www.geocities.com/worldview_3/science.html
http://www.geocities.com/worldview_3/prophecy.html
Some events that are happening today were foretold in the Bible
http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/End-Times.htm
http://www.revelations.org.za/
September 24th, 2008 at 1:04 am
Bible says IDOL worshipers are fools. Then, if an idol was destroyed it should not make any difference to the followers of Bible.
But, alas, those who claim Jesus Christ’s wife Mary Magdalena, as PROSTITUTE (Read Dan Brown’s Da Vinci Code or see the movie)can only have to go to Himalayas to find peace.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:07 am
@Bharath
You follow the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible and you dont even understand that all that they have written there is their perception…
September 24th, 2008 at 1:26 am
Hey all this is Varun Khanna from Dallas,Texas.I feel we Hindus are kind of careless about our religion………..ppl come n do watever they like to do with us they do bomb blast in our temples……….they do conversions of poor people from our community in leiu of money …….we need to stop that……n reply them in same aggression……………..
Jai Shri Ram!
September 24th, 2008 at 1:30 am
@Gajanna
It still doesnt make any difference if you destroy idols, but you guys have no business to destroy someone elses property. Buy a Jesus or a Mother Mary idol and destroy it youself…
Read some of my above comments above. Christianity is all about true repentance and a Change from the heart. LORD measures the heart and its intentions.
Mary repented and rejected her old life just like the theif on the cross. Jesus doesnt expect us to be holy from Birth. He knows our weekness and knows that every man will Sin. But he expects us to be humble and accept our shortcomings. He hates people who think they are great and people who call themselves Gods…
Christianity is all about Humility and service which is very much visible in many Christian Missionaries. Christians even today are famous only for their mission works – orphanages, schools, old age homes, NGO’s…etc.
Coming to Dan Brown’s Da Vinci Code, we all know its a fiction and not the truth. If you guys look at it as truth you may well think it as such… But hunt and find out for youself that there are many evidences of Christ’s resurrection. More than 500 witnesses
http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html
You see people all over the world are trying to prove that the Bible is false but are failing miserably.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:39 am
@ Varun
First of all you boast of living in Texas which shows you wanted to live a better life than that in India…
Then you put an new allegation that Christians are putting Bombs in Temples. Dear friend, you need to check the secret locations and factories of Bajrang Dal and VHP where they manufacture Bombs(Proven fact)..
Poor people huh?? You are the people who discriminate poor people. Remember untouchability, Sati, Dowri and all such crap was started by you Hindus only. Now dont act as if you care about the poor people, you sitting in Texas. Its the missionaries who leave their livlihood and luxuries to come and serve among the poor, the same poor Dalits whom you dint give a place in the society. The missionaries serve to such an extent that they even give their life for the cause of the poor.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:41 am
Quite an eye-opener.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:47 am
@ SR
mr. SR u feel bad when we write bad about hindu gods right. for ur info it is started by u guys. specialy MR SEALION.
i dont knw sealion must be hiding somewhere.do u think we would keep quiet if u abuse jesus christ????? the way u feel bad , same way we also feel bad.
@ ajit
dear ajit, its true that people are using bad words,lots of people sound abusive. including me. iam constanly reading these comments since the day they were posted. i tried to make them understand the truth, by telling them the truth, but some people dont understand. brother i feel happy when someone represents christ.
these peole will not understand buddy. thats why i quoted some verses from bible-”do give what is holy to dogs, do not throw pearls at pigs”
whoever got hurt by these words- FYI these are not my words , they are from bible. hw u people called urself as pigs and dogs???? i never mentioned anywere that hindu is a dog or pig- did i ?
these words are for everyone- christian, hindu, muslims.FYI god has no religion.i dont knw wtr ur god has!!! christ do not have any religion. he is love. if u guys cant understand then take it a simple way- religion of christ is love.
the person who does not have love belongs to satan. so dont act like u all belong to satan.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:51 am
@ above
bible verse to be read as
” do not give what is holy to the dogs, do not throw pearls at pigs”
thks
September 24th, 2008 at 3:07 am
Dear Deepak kamat,If you say newlife has done blasphemy of hindu gods’ and godess’ then what are you doing this in this blog? It is a shame that you are hindu. It is nothing but fight for ego in this blog. You cannot become a “great hindu” by announcing it on top of your voice and denouncing other religions when you point out their mistakes.
It is a shame that our religion has fallen into the hands of extremists who are going to finish it off rather than strenghthening it. You cannot conquer a religion by force but by love and caring. BJP is doing this for political gains. i am worried about the silence of the hindu priests who are just watching shame lessly. It is a pity that they cannot stand for what is moral. What are we going to teach our children?. Arrogance anarchy hatred?. Just imagine yoursef Deepak, Do you have the conscience to face your children? Isn’t your ego coming b4 what is moral?. Religion can be twisted to the selfish gains now but if you are a real hindu you wouldn’t do what you have done now.
As far as humanity is concerned we are all one. The actual indians are not us but the dark skinned dravidian people whom we used for our manual jobs. We are from central asia came to india and let us have love towards our dravidians so that they donot go away from us.
September 24th, 2008 at 3:12 am
Good Rayan….
I dint want our actions to make them feel or get a wrong perception of our God…
We know their actions and I dont know which particular God they represent as they are confused.
Actualy you see Rayan, they are innocent and ignorant of the truth. We know Satan and how he can decieve people. His entire charecteristics are given in detail to us in the Bible.
So knowing that, we must be humble and must be able to show Christ’s light in us to the extent possible.
Its their responsibility to accept it or not. Afterall we are all given freewill by God, but tomorrow when we meet our Lord and He asks us our accounts we should be able to give a clear account of such things.
When our Hindu brother is judged we will be held responsible if we dont share Gods word with him today. I just wanted to highlight this aspect that every brother or sister needs to know the word. When their heart knows the truth, believe me they become better Christians than us. Its all the time factor, someday by the events foretold in Revelation some will definately understand that Bible is truth.
Most importantly someday God will speak to their hearts, then they will understand that He is not a foreign God.
Till then we only need to pray for these ignorant people
September 24th, 2008 at 7:58 am
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948) was among India’s most fervent nationalists, fighting for Indian independence from British rule.
He was a Hindu to the core.
He said: ” I am a Hindu because it is Hinduism which makes the world worth living.” (source: Young India 1-12-26).
Mahatma Gandhi called Christian missionaries, “Vendors of Goods”. He said ” In Hindu households, the advent of a missionary has meant the disruption of the family coming in the wake of change of dress, manners, language, food and drink”. “If I had power and could legislate, I should certainly stop all proselytizing”. “I resent the overtures made to Harijans.” “Stop all conversion, it is the deadliest poison that ever sapped the fountain of truth.” Poverty doesn’t justify conversion. He also considered missionaries as “a clear libel on Indian humanity.”
read more here: Politics of Conversion
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Conversion.htm
September 24th, 2008 at 8:21 am
What is this fight all about?. God is great. It is we who are making him small by killing innocent people and attacking innocent human beings all in the name of religion. Just as Bal Thakre ignites maharastrians Deepak Kamat is igniting our Hindu passion. Both of them have power but utilise for destructon of love and worshipping of hatred. It is same technique used by Hitler against non nazis. It is time our intellectuals and our priests rose up to the occasion and save our religion from degradation. To speak the truth we are aryans who have migrated to india from central asia and drove away the actual inhabitants down south and east. We used them to do our least jobs and made caste system according to the jobs and skin colour and looked down upon them and do so even now. We ourselves know how lower caste brothers are treated by us. Let us not make our God small but make our hears big by being nice to otheres. We are here only for a small stay and this hatred will take us away from eeshwar.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:21 am
@Bharath
You are slightly deviating the topic. Its not about missionaries that we were speaking. Its about Christ and that the bible teaches non-violence and peace. Gandhi himself practiced it.
Do you agree with the point??? I want an answer….
Coming to your point above, I have repeatedly told that every person bearing a christian name is not going to heaven. If some so called missionaries are doing anything against the will of God, God will judge, its not our business to judge… Okay??
Buddy, I do condemn every wrong action anyone does. If people are being converted for money its wrong, but there are peaceful means of dealing with the problem. However if ppl do convert for money they are not actually repenting and asking for forgiveness instead are just adding to a count of name sake christians.
If books are published hurting someone’s sentiments I am against it also. Its God to pass on the judgement I have no right to Judge… Okay??
Having said that, I see you all are justifying the attacks of Bajrang Dal on all Christians. I still wont judge them. But do you think killing innocent children and raping nuns is correct?? Again God will judge as he know the intentions behind the attacks….
As for me, my responsibility is to pray for you all, since you havnt seen the real power of God and you are innocent and ignorant of Gods commandments.
Remember, if I pass judgement on anyone I will be more severely punished. My duty is to Pray and pray thats all… Hope you understand what I meant.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Dear Friends,
Since Deepak considers that sin is not part of Hinduism, I guess that’s why certain people can justify violence and desecration of statues, ’cause it doesn’t amount to sin for them.
While the county is plagued with numerous problems like terrorism, we are busy fighting with one another. And the saddest thing is, we are not trying to prove our religion as superior but trying to prove other religion as inferior.
All communities are suffering today due to sangh parivars decisions in the past(babri masjid, godhra). However, I’m happy the Chrisitian community hasn’t acted violently to the attacks. We already have Islamic terrorism and Hindu extremism, I don’t think India can handle any third form of extremism.
I’m sure the Hindu voices echoed here are due to anger as my definition of Hindusim is peace loving and tolerance.
I sincerely hope this enemity between our communities ends ’cause in todays times when the whole world is mixing, we cannot restrict ourselves to hindus, christians or muslims.
Hope you all take my message positively and work towards ending hatred between us.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Christian Terror and Aggression in India.
Example of Christian hatred for Hindus and Hinduism:-
The Hindu world is the most perverted, most monstrous, most implacable, demonic-invaded part of this planet. There is just no question about it… The greatest, biggest, blackest, most hopeless mass of confusion, perversion, deception is the massive Hindu bloc…The perversion of Satan in this part of the world is just absolutely legendary” Ralph Winter, Mission Frontiers Bulletin November-December 1994 : 16-18
Read the site to see more.
http://christianwatchindia.wordpress.com/
September 24th, 2008 at 10:52 am
@Bharath
Hey you keep complaining about Christians?? Are you reading my comments, I asked you something
Your comments show how much hatered you have on christians. You are googling and trying to get every bit of rumour….
September 24th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Dear kamat,
recently one of my freinds cast has been included in Scheduled Cast and he has already started feeling that his upperclass friends may have a indifferent attitute towards him. Why can’t we abolish whole cast system and unite under one community “Amritasya Putraha”
September 24th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Vedas Foretell About the Sacrifice of Christ
Taken from Balidan tract
Author -Anubhavanand Keshav Ray Sharma Mandapaka
All have sinned disobeying the law of God. So they try to find different ways in order to escape from the wrath of God. In our country (India) some make offerings to Brahmins, and others sacrifice animals.
Vedas declare sacrifice as the only way for salvation. “Dharmani prathamani” it means that sacrifice is most important of all our duties.
“Yagyo vay bhuvanasya nabhih” – Sacrifice is the base of the world.
“Yagye sarvam pratishtitham” – Through sacrifice all things can be obtained.
“Yagyo vay sutram nouh” – Sacrifice is a boat by which life can be driven smoothly.
“Yagyem va deva divangatah” – gods got to heaven only through sacrifice.
“Ritasya nah pathinay ati vishvani durita” – get saved through sacrifice.
“These theories which are declared in Vedas show that sacrifice should get the highest place in all the penance and it should be done for the remission of sins.
Come let us see what the message of BhagvatGeeta’s is:
“Sah-yagyah prajah srushtva purovach prajapathih Annen pravishyadhvamesh vo s sitvasht kamdhuk”
It means:
When God made man in the beginning, He did sacrifice and He said, “by this your heart’s desire may be full.”
“Yagya shapith kalmashah” – Those whose sins are washed by sacrifice.
“Nayam loko-sthya yagyasyakutho-nyah kurusatham” – O, holy guru when those who did not sacrifice a single time has no place in this world, then how can he get to heaven?
The importance of sacrifice has been shown in this way. We see in Madakopnishad, “Plava hyeth adhrada yagya rupah” – The timber of sacrifice-boat would be silent.
In the 7th chapter of yagya vaibhav khand in Skandha Puran we can read like this:-
“Plava hyete sura yagya adrudashch na shamsayah” -O gods, The timber of sacrifice – boat is undoubtedly silent.
Tandya mahabrahmin says, “Yagyo va avati tasya chaya criyate”- Only sacrifice can give deliverance, whatever is done is only a shadow of sacrifice.
In Rig -Veda we read, “Atmada balda yasyachaya-mrutam… yasya mrityuh” – whose shadow and death became life (Amrit – or immortality), by his shadow and death He will give soul and strength.
All these above writings clearly states that sacrifice itself never brings deliverance but they are only the shadow of sacrifice which brings great deliverance. Ethray brahmin says, “Yagyamanah pashu yagyamanmev swarga lokam gaymati” – “He Who donates animal for sacrifice, does the sacrifice and goes to heaven.”
Shathpath brahmin says, “Prajapathi yagyah” – God Himself is sacrifice.
In tandya mahabrahmin of Sam-Veda, it says, “Prajapathi devemya atmanam yagyam drutva praikshat” – God will offer give Himself as sacrifice and receive the repentance of sins.
Shathpath brahmin says, “Tasya prajapathirdharmev martyamasidharth marutham” -God became half mortal and half immortal. It means He became man and heavenly the mixture of both.
Purushsukta says, “sacrifice of Brahmadev is done.
All these teachings clearly indicates that the master of this creation himself will perform a true and great saving sacrifice. He would become both mortal and immortal and anointed God – man and by becoming the sacrificial animal, He would give Himself for the deliverance of the sins of mankind.
Rig-Veda gives the following facts regarding the sacrificial animal:
1. It should be a lamb without blemish.
2. Around his head ‘Bulusu’ bush should be placed.
3. It should be on the altar of sacrifice.
4. Its four legs should be nailed in such a way that until they bleed.
5. The cloth which covers the lamb should be distributed in four parts.
6. No bones should be broken
7. Gal should be given for the drink of the lamb.
8. After it is sacrificed, it should come back to life again.
9. Its flesh should be eaten.
From this we can come to the conclusion that the anointed Lamb of God who gave Himself for sacrifice and died for us, complied with all these descriptions.
It can be said that God took the form of a man first and then to save the sinners He gave Himself to be sacrificed. In our country we never read about this type of anointed one in our scriptures. No one who is God’s anointed ever had this type of sacrificial death for the redemption of sinners. But in the meditarian seashore of western Asia there is a country called Palestine that is situated in the midst of dense population of the world. In this country an anointed son was born to a holy virgin in whom all these above written qualities were complete. He was completely innocent and blameless. He lived a holy and pure life. He was both mortal and immortal means both man and God. From the beginning itself He prophesied about His sacrificial death for the deliverance of mankind and victorious resurrection from the death. He delivered Himself to those evil people who not only loved sin and sinful ways of this world but also wanted to kill Him.
If we see about His death, we can see that as the Rig-Veda describes the qualities of the sacrificial lamb they are exactly fulfilled in this anointed person as explained below:
1. It should be a blameless lamb – He was a blameless (or without sin) God – man.
2. Around his head ‘Bulusu’ bush should be placed – A crown of thorn was put on His head.
3. It should be on the altar of sacrifice – He was laid on the Cross.
4. Its four legs should be nailed in such a way that until they bleed – His hands and legs were nailed.
5. The cloth which covers the lamb should be distributed in four parts – Those who crucified Him distributed His cloths by themselves.
6. No bones should be broken – None of His bones were broken.
7. Gal-juice should be given for the drink of the lamb – He was given vinegar for drink.
8. After it is sacrificed, it should come back to life again- He rose up from the dead on the third day.
9. flesh of it must be eaten- Before His death, He said to his disciples that they should eat His flesh and drink His blood, which was sacrificed for the salvation of the world; and for the remembrance of His death take bread and grape juice and for this He started a holy ritual which is still being performed.
In this anointed person, the sacrifice of repentance which can save sinners, is completed. All these things clearly states that this is the anointed one of God through whom sinners can get salvation of their souls. This anointed one is none other than JESUS.
Purushsukt says, “Nanya panthah vidhyatey nyayah” – Even by the thousands of good works you can not get to heaven, except through Brahmdev who gave Himself as sacrifice,.”
So there is none other than “JESUS” who can save you from your sins.
http://insearchofpeace.org/3v17issue.htm
September 24th, 2008 at 11:09 am
JESUS CHRIST IN HINDU SCRIPTURES
BY
Dr. N. Sharath Babu, M. A., M. Phil., D. Min
God is the father of all the human beings. Some human beings may not know him as their own father. Since God is the creator, he is the father of all.
Bible presents clearly that God is love (1 John 4:8). He loves with an everlasting love (Jer 31:3). “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” (John 3:16). The loving God does not want any one to perish. So he revealed himself in various ways including as the incarnate God called Jesus Christ (Heb 1:1, 2). Since God does not want anyone to be lost, he lightens every human being who is born into this world (John 1:9). So the loving God has graciously revealed himself through the Hindu scriptures in order that the teeming millions of Hindus may not be lost in the total darkness of sin. It is so amazing to see the Hindu scriptures bear witness to Jesus Christ by name and his vicarious death. I have gleaned the following scriptural references from Hindu scripture books about Christ. These Hindu scriptural passages show clearly that Christ was born to a virgin, is holy and blameless, he suffered and died, and redeemed the sinners by shedding his holy blood.
All the Hindu scriptures which are referred are written in Sanskrit language and the Vedas quoted here are written between 2000 and 1500 B.C. The Upanishads are written between 10th century and 2nd century B.C.
References to the Birth of Christ
The following quotations speak clearly about Jesus Christ. The second quotation even mentions the name of Jesus.
After creating the sky, waters, and the earth, the supreme spirit of the Lord almighty thought “I created the worlds. Now to provide for and to save these worlds I have to create a savior.” Thinking thus He gave birth to a man from himself. (Ithareya Upanishad 1.1.3)
The Puranas explain the Vedic truths in the form of stories. The Bhavishya Purana1 is the ninth in this set of eighteen sacred books. Its third part is entitled Bharath khand, and the second chapter in the third part is entitled Pratisarg. This chapter has thirty-four verses that clearly tell the story of Jesus Christ and His incarnation. The following verses show the main parts.
Verse 31:
Yeesh moorti parapta nitya shuddha shivakari:
Yeesha masih itticha mam nama prathishtatham
Translation:
The revelation of God who is eternal, Holy, Compassionate and giver of salvation; who dwells within our heart is manifested. His name is yeesha Masih [Jesus Christ].
Speaking of this Savior and God incarnate, the sages call Him Purusha shubham (blameless and Holy person), Balwaan raja gaurang shweta vastrakam (sovereign king in a holy person robed in white) Yeesh putra (Son of God ), Kumari garbha sambhavam (one who is born of a virgin), and Satya Varatha Paraayanam (one who is the sustainer of the path of truth).
Rigveda, the first scripture, also presents Christ without mentioning His name, but referring to Him as the Word who is God.
This man is all that has been, all that is and all that has to be. He controls the eternal life and it is for the redemption of mankind. He surpasses His immortal sphere and descends to the mortal sphere. He comes to give every one reward as per their deeds.
Venerable words from the Vedic scriptures affirm:
“The word is the indestructible God.” (Brhadaranyaka Upanishad 4:1, 2).
The Supreme Leader who is the cause and governor of all creation who to protect and save sinful mankind, Himself appeared upon the earth wrapped in a body that is Holy and without sin. (Rigveda 10.125)
References to the Suffering and Death of Christ
Christ underwent immeasurable physical and mental pain when he was crucified. The Hindu scriptures highlight his physical suffering. Some of these statements seems to refer to Christ because there was no Hindu god or goddess who bore such suffering on behalf of sinners.
The crown of thorns was placed on his head: “The sacrificial victim is to be crowned with a crown made of thorny vines” (Rigveda 10.90.7, 15).
His clothes were divided among those who offered him. “After death, His clothes are to be divided among the offerors” (Ithareya Brahmanam).
The person tied to a wooden cross: “His hands and legs are to be bound to a yoopa (a wooden pole) causing blood shed” (Brhadaranyaka Upanishad, 3.9.28).
While the victim was at his greatest agony on the cross, he was given a herbal drink which had an intoxicating effect: “Before death, He should be given a drink of somarasa” [an intoxicating herbal juice] (Yajur Veda 31).
Though the victim was hung on the wooden cross, none of his bones were broken: “None of His bones be broken” (Ithareya Brahmanam 2.6).
The Hindu scriptures point to the efficacy of the blood of Jesus Christ which cleanses from sin.
If you want to be delivered from the sin which you commit through eyes, mouth, ears and mind, bloodshed is necessary. Without shedding the blood, there is no remission for sin. That must be the blood of the Holy one. God is our creator. He is our King. When we were perishing, He came to save us by offering even his own body on our behalf. (Maha Brahmanam 4.15)
God is the ruler of people. He will offer His body as a sacrifice, for His people; for the remission of their sins (Sama veda, part 2, Thandiya Maha Brahmanam).
These statements clearly describe the suffering and the death of Christ. No one else qualifies. These Hindu scriptural references will be a great help to present Jesus to the orthodox Hindus. As a second step Jesus can be presented as the true incarnated God, meeting their full expectations by using Hindu scriptures themselves. ma
These scattered but clear-cut references to Christ led some Hindu seekers of the truth to the Bible and Christ. Such people have openly embraced Christianity through baptism and witnessing marvelously for Christ.
1Bhavishya purana is one of the eighteen puranans. Bhavishya means future. It contains a number of future events, including the information about the virgin birth of Christ and his name. It is the only scripture book which contains the name of Jesus. See Krishna Dwaipuayana Vyasa, Bhavishya Purana (Mumbai: Kemraj Shrikrishnadas, 1959).
http://www.sdaindia.net/jesus_in_hindu_scriptures/jesus-in-hindu-scriptures.html
September 24th, 2008 at 11:13 am
@mala kamat:
You wrote, “Dear Deepak kamat,… It is a shame that you are hindu.”
Wow, mala. We think, you are really a proud Hindu. I bow my head before you! Sata-sahasra Pranam!
Now my few questions:
1. How proud are you as a Hindu, when people like you can’t speak out for suffering Hindus of Kashmir, Asom, NE India, Kerala, all across the nation, and in Bangladesh, Pakistan, Malaysia, etc?
2. How proud are you as a Hindu, to see a 84 years old Swamiji was brutally killed by the christian missioanry terrorists along with his 5 deciples (including women) during Janmastami night? Swamiji was working for the society his whole life, without looking personal rewards and enjoyment in life.
3. How proud are you as a Hindu, when 59 Hindu pilgrims (comprising childrens, womens, old people) returning home were roasted like chickens inside a train couch in Godhara, by the 2000 strong Islamist Jihadi mobs? Did you cry for these victims? Did you ever imagined, how the families of these 59 victims experiencing life? Its not important, they are Hindus. Hindus are born to suffer, its not something unusual.
4. How proud you are as a Hindu, when a central UPA govt unofficially headed by a Roman Catholic christian Antonia Maino alias Sonia Gandhi, submitted affidavit to the Supreme Court declaring Sri Ram does not exist and Ramayan is a fiction? They withdraw the affidavit due to fear of loss of Hindu votes, not hindu concern. Did the Govt apologise to Hindus, for hurting their sentiments? No. Did you speak out against this insult and humiliation, mala? Can UPA govt file similar affidavits in SC declaring Muhammed/Jesus does not exists and Koran/Bible are fictions?
5. How proud you are as a Hindu, when UPA govt revoked a small piece of land (merely 40 acres barren land) temporarily given to Hindu pilgrims purposes in Kashmir, just to please seperatists who unfurl Pakistani flags on Indian soil? And those Jammuites cry for justice with Indian flag at hands, were decorated with bullets. Surely, these Hindus deserved bullets. They must know, they have no religious rights in India. You might be enjoying the bullets on Jammuite Hindus, is not it mala?
6.. How proud are you as a Hindu, to see christian religious symbol Cross is printed in Rupee Two Coins? Are there any Hindu religious symbols printed on coins ever? Oh, its not possible to print Hindu religious symbols, it is unsecular. Ours is a secular nation. I see. Printing christian religious symbols is secular, is not it, mala?.
7. How proud are you as a Hindu, to see muslims were given hundreds of crores rupees as Haj subsidies (from our tax-money) to go for haj pilgrims to Mecca? And recently AP govt started christian Haj subsidy. Why our tax-money for someone’s pilgrims? Why not Hindu pilgrim Subsidy? Is it crime to be a Hindu and majority commintiy? Surely, yes. In a secular democracy, only minorities need to be protected and specially cared. Hindus, keep mouth shut. Never utter a word saying you are a Hindu. Saying Hindu itself a fundamentalism, extremism. Hindus must practice to bow before minorities to show TRUE secularism and communal harmony.
There is a saying in Samskrit, Veer Bhugya Vasundhara (the World only enjoyed by the braves).
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PS. “We are from central asia came to india and let us have love towards our dravidians so that they donot go away from us.”
Your ignorance is your best gift. Read some good books on Sanatan Dharma (Hindu Dhamra) and Bharat by Swami Vivekananda, Sri Aurobindo, and others. May be this site canhelp you: http://www.hinduwisdom.info/
September 24th, 2008 at 11:20 am
You can also read about this man – Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj
http://www.christian-faith.com/forjesus/sadhu-sundar-selvaraj
September 24th, 2008 at 11:25 am
very strange, Bharath is shooting questions at others and expects answers, when he himself doesnt answer others questions
September 24th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
BJP govt should deal with this situation very sternly.If Churches are built illegally, they should be demolished.If some Christian organisation has published blasphemy,that organisation should be banned.No need to be apologetic, while dealing with minorities.They don’t vote for you !!Besides every other political outfit is ready to pander to every whims of minorities.So be really a party with a difference.BJP however needs to reassure ordinary law abiding members of minority community that their rights will be protected at all costs, even if you don’t vote for us.
BJP also needs to come out with clear manifesto for next Lok Sabha elections, promising to ban all conversions, and giving marching orders to all foreign missioneries.
September 24th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
@ajit
and rest
i appreciate ur efforts.i had some contents from vedas, i had mentioned in my earlier blogs . iasked mr. kamat to read vedas.i was not getting enough time to type the content i had. u did it!! may god bless u ,for u r not talking about any common man, but about christ. he will have great reward for u.
dear hindu brothers and sisters. we are not against u.nobodu likes to abuse one another.its only a reaction of what we heard ,and what has been told to us.
bible clearly tells us that jesus is the only saviour, and only through him we can have eternal life.same thing is written in quoran, and in ur vedas too. no body has converted anybody.as i mentioned in my earlier blogs go to mangalore and visit those orphanages and old age centres, or ask any of ur friends to do that,and find out hw many hindus are there.nobody has been converted. our mission is not conversion, we just want to share the love of christ with u all.we can not force on anyone. but as ajit rightly said if we dont share christ with those who do not know about him ,one day we have to answerable to god.
we can not stop anyone from coming to the church.when bajrangdal saw some of ur brother and sisters coming to church, they thought they were converted.thats not the truth.
its difficult for us to make u understand,about love of christ, u need to read bible.
i work on a ship as an officer. and in my 10 years of sealife i have noticed one thing- 80% seafareres carry bible,hindus and muslims too. when i ask them i get one answer- the peace we get by reading bible ,is uncomparable to money.some say bible stops me from commiting sin.when there are problems in our families we read bible for an answer.when there is storm at sea we open bible ,the words give us courage.
these are the some feeling of seafareres.
one day one of my crew asked me,sir what is the meaning of bible????
i did not have any answer, but i knew one thing jesus will give me an answer.he said-
BIBLE
B- BASIC
I- INSTRUCTIONS
B- BEFORE
L- LIVING
ON
E- EARTH
this is what the answer i got. it is not the actual meaning.but that is the way our jesus christ talks to us.
can any of u tell me ,why 70% of the worlds population follow jesus???? did he force anybody??? do u all want to say everybody was forced to follow christ?????? why till date bible is the largest selling book every year?????? and it brakes the record of the previous year.
dont tell me that because 70% of the population follows christ. FYI, if one buys bible he will never throw it, and deffinately no body would like to make library for exhibition.
friends , every day thousands of people all over the earth experience christ, when they experience it , they want to share with others.some dont like it. do not think that only hindus dont like it,there are lots of name sake christians. by just going to the church, or attending prayer dosent make u a christian.
thats why jesus said-”not everyone who calls me LORD, will enter the kingdom of god”(mathew 07:21)
so brothers dont follow christanity but follow christ.
as in every family there are good or bad people,in christanity also there are good and bad people. christanity is a family who follow christ.
follow christ the head of the family who is always right and cannot do any wrong. being a christian does not mean that everyone is good.
i must say that not every hindu who has been writting in these blogs has ill feeling towards christians.u abused christ because of ur anger,because some people misguided u. may jesus christ forgive u all.because he judge people not on ur physical apprearance but on the basis of purity of ur heart. so let us try to make our hearts pure and forget our hatred,take what is right and leave what is wrong.then only we all can experience gods love.
GOD IS LOVE- its only in bible where god said “I LOVE U ” 366 times. he has kept the record of that one day of february which has 29 days once in 4 years.just imagine how much he loves us.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
@Jitendra Desai
I am really astonished that you guys speak about forceful conversions, when someone helps a poor person with money…
But you guys dont speak about forceful reconversions that are being done by VHP, Barang Dal who are terrorising and threatening people with arms like swords, bows and arrows..etc.. Know the reality, who is forcing the people huh??
September 25th, 2008 at 3:11 am
@ bharath,
Thank you for your views. But your sarcasm woul’nt alter what i belive.
To tell you frankly I am a Hindu and I am proud to be so. I have asked Deepak Kamat to look with in himself as if you keep hatred in your heart you can not reach God.
I would like to answer you with my limited knowledge.
You said that i am a proud hindu when attrocities committed against hindus in kerala asam malasia kashmir. Well when i am hurt i wont become proud. I become proud when inspite of being suffering the people of those places donot leave hinduism for the torture they are subjected to.
As far killing of orissa priest should be subjected to cbi enquiry. It is sad indeed. The maoists have claimed the killing thrice. but for political gains Bhajrangdal ignited passions of hindus against innocent christaians due to their proximity to dalits. They are the soft targets because if they attacked naxals or maoists their life would end.The very person who claimed that christians were converting by force himself was reconverting them with force and death threats.
To save Hinduism from becoming GOONDAISM right minded hindu priests should come forward and say what is wrong is wrong and spread love in the place of hatred.
September 25th, 2008 at 4:48 am
Mala Kamath,
People like you seem to be the only Hindus left here. Most of the rest are ignorant goons with inferiority complex in search of something to fill their egos, by abusing the name of Hinduism. They belong more to the Zakir Naik followers or Guru worshipers than Hinduism proper.
We see here many people abusing Christianity and Islam by selectively pointing out only the faults. Both Christianity and Islam have many more positives when compared to their faults. Just like Hindu culture contributed in ancient History, Christian and Islamic cultures have contributed significantly over the past 1000/1500 years for the good of the world (they have done lots of damage as well).
If the Sangh Parivar variety of Hinduism becomes dominant, Hinduism will end up having the image that Islam has today. I being a Hindu don’t want that to happen.
Deepak Kamath,
On one side you say the Sangh Parivar and Bajrang Dal are innocent and has nothing to do with the violence (the facts remains something else).
On the other side you are saying that only some illegal prayer halls were attacked and nobody was killed and thereby justify the violence. This indirectly points to the fact that the violence was planned by Sangh Parivar outfits. If not you wouldn’t have taken the pain to justify the violence.
You are doing well in deceiving fools around here. Organization like RSS are trying to deal with many real problems and they sometimes do many good things as well. But do you know the reason why most of the Indian media and public (including a large majority of Hindus) are allergic towards Sangh Parivar outfits? The answer is that you people tend to mixup lot of lies among a little truth. You are continuing the same thing here.
We don’t need Sangh Parivar to defend Hinduism. Abuse of Hindu Gods through pamphlets should be dealt using the law of the land, and not by showing goondaism.
September 25th, 2008 at 5:55 am
This is the problem of Hindus. We fought among ourselves to come to any conclusion. Why???? Due to this problem only Moghuls and Britishers invaded our nation and made our holy nation into the current state of turmoil. When the Prophet Mohammad’s scriptures were shown as cartoons in Denmark the whole muslim world joined hands, if the protestors are right or wrong but remained united. Whereas, when our Hindu scriptures are abused, some say be calm, let the swamijis speak, shows your ego etc. WHICH SHOWS THEIR INABILITIES. Come on Hindus, let us fight for our place, enough of being tolerant. We have to show the world that all children are born as Hindus, then only they get christened in church and mosque, whereas we dont have such criteria to christen in our holy places. OUR RELIGION AND BELIEF IS NUMBER ONE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. NOBODY CAN HARM OR DENIGRADE US.
September 25th, 2008 at 6:40 am
All these religions who are hardly 1500 years and 2000 years old commenting about the sacred sanatana dharma (so called hindu religion) which has been prevailing since time immemorial. All their books are the manipulated copies. They do not have any “original” philosophy but for degrading others for the heck of proving their superiority…it is very difficult to understand the dept of veda just by discussing or debating…bottom line is that keep your religion within your four walls and do not sling mud on others dear christian brothers….for your survival (do not forget that your forefathers were Hindus only)
-Ganesh, Dubai.
September 25th, 2008 at 6:44 am
Dear ardent hindu,
There is no need to have a violent fight to save Hinduism. If 600 years of Islamic rule and 200 years of British rule hasn’t succeeded in eliminating Hindus, there is no need of a violent struggle now.
There is only one way in which Hinduism will be destroyed, from inside. i.e. when self appointed defenders of Hinduism make it more like Taliban.
Deliberately or not, many Sangh Parivar outfits are doing that. If it goes to an extreme, we will soon find a day when the rest of the world views Hindus with contempt. In the Western countries, this is happening to Muslims and Islam today. The same people who bragged about their Jihad and distributed sweets on 9/11 are inventing lies today to prove they are innocent of 9/11.
Similarly, we can boast about our pride and commit atrocities in the name of our Religion. But one day we will have to be ashamed of it. The Gujarat riots is one example. How many Hindus can be proud of the atrocities in Gujarat done in the name of our Religion?
If the missionaries or Islamic organizations are doing something wrong we should deal with it in our courts, and not on the streets.
To fight the criminal, we don’t have to become criminals ourselves.
September 25th, 2008 at 6:48 am
Dear Ganesh,
There is no way you can prove that Hinduism is something great whereas Islam and Christianity are something stupid. Every religion has its own good and bad aspects. Going by pure logic all religions and their holy books are false (in the sense that all are created by humans and not by God or Gods).
Its better not to claim our religion is better or greater than another.
September 25th, 2008 at 7:24 am
Dear All
such hatered in words. where are we all heading to. each of us have life, family and purpose to meet.
guys we have bills to pay for our home,for our childrens education, for our elders health… thank god who ever that you want to .. we do not have a melt down like in western world where people are losing the homes, their hard earned saving.. being left with nothing. thank which ever god each of deem best, that we have a pds system that will give you some food unlike in africa a morsel cannot be even found, our family have some security and not having to live in caves and face war every day like in other countries.
where do you think all this destruction will lead to ? what does it matter who we pray to, who we follow. Lets us thank the almighty power for what ever we are today, what ever little we have today for us and our family. the time and energy that we have spent trying to justify each other beliefs and accuse each other, lets spent it counting our blessing
its unfortunate that some miscreants who have no purpose, no objective have led to this catastrophe. time, live losts is not replaceable.
religion is just a means to an end. strength does not come from the largeness. nothing cannot be larger than being humans. how much would it make a difference to the quantum of air one breaths if i were a hindu, muslim or a christian. how different does the flood, the famine, the hunger deaths, the pollution, the dengues of the world, affect a christian or a hindu or a muslim. The suffering is all the same. What should we do to alleviate this . How can we make the drains around our home not stink, who should we pray to help every aspiring youth seeking to find a way to protect his family find a rooting…
lets look at opportunities of life. lets pray to all gods to allivate our suffering. it hardly matters. what matters is the loss of joyous moments in life.
please do not get dragged into it. is hard to replace what ever we lose.
god bless all of us..