DENIGRATION OF HINDU GODS IS THE REAL REASON FOR ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS IN MANGALORE
The Following are the list of abuses from one such book – Satya Darshini – distributed by the missionaries of New Life. This book is in Kannada and the translation of the abusive passage is as follows.
· Urvashi – the daughter of Narayana– is a prostitute. Vashitha is the son of this prostitute. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)
· When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a need for us to liberate his misled followers. (page 50)
· It was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were themselves the victims of lust, it is a sin to consider them as Gods. (page 39)
· When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others. Their projection as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).
· When Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so. How can such a “evil brahma” be a Creator of this Universe? How is it possible for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be gods? (page 39)
· God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are worshipping False Gods that believe in the pleasures of illicit ‘Vyabichari’ relationships. (Page 39).
2. All the 16 incidents that took place were not attack on Churches. In fact, unauthorized prayer halls were attacked where the blasphemous pamphlets were distributed and aggressive proselytisation was taking place. These 16 incidents were not localized but took place across three districts of Mangalore, Udupi and Chikmagalur.
3. The only place where attacks took place apart from New Life Prayer Halls was at a small prayer hall in the premises of Milagres Church in Mangalore, where some miscreants had damaged a Jesus idol. The VHP and the Bajrang Dal have condemned the attack at this place. Following this incident, a Christian mob gathered and the situation went out of control as the mob started pelting stones and disrupting traffic. The police was forced to intervene and this resulted in unsavoury violence.
4. Since the past two days, it is not Hindu-Christian clashes that are taking place. In fact, it is more appropriate to call it”Christian-Police” clashes since the Christians holed up in Churches have engaged themselves in pelting of stones and disruption of traffic. The Police were forced to enter the Church to clear the mob and they found arms inside the Church.
5. Incidents of Stabbing were reported in around four or five places across Mangalore district. In fact, an activist belonging to Shri Ram Sena was stabbed which led to a bandh call by Shri Ram Sena – a Hindu outfit that is not connected to Sangh Parivar.
6. The VHP and the Bajrang Dal have condemned the desecration of Jesus idol at the prayer hall adjacent to the Milagres Church in Mangalore. They have also clarified that they are not against the Catholic faith and the Churches. However, they have clarified that the public outcry would continue as long as illicit conversion activities and blasphemy of Hindu gods take place.
7. Even the Kandhmahal murder — which involved the killing of Hindu monk Swami Lakshmananda by missionaries – seems to have caste a shadow on this incident since the general public seems to have seen through Christian aggression.
8. It may be recalled that there was a public outcry against illegal prayer halls in Davanagere district last week. In that case, the administration had closed the unauthorized prayer halls that were mushrooming in the region.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:23 am
Very eye opening information
September 19th, 2008 at 2:11 am
if congress is removed from india. then everything will be set right in india. there wont be any communal voilence after that. i think time has come to say QUIT INDIA to congress.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:13 am
shockin info,thnx 4 sharin
September 19th, 2008 at 2:15 am
It hurts very much to see such low level comments on our Gods.
It is shame on the part of those who can think at such degraded levels, it reflects their way of thinking.
Thanks,
Raghavendra.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:50 am
And this is happening when the Satanic, Bloodthirsty god of Christians himself lusted for the virgins and did not consider Mother F. also as a sin, and the Satanic Biblie says that.
THUIS IS HAPPENING DUE TO THE OPEN SUPPORT BY THE LOW BORN CUNT SONIA MAINO.
WIPE THIS WHITE SERPENT 2 BIT LOW BORN BARMAID FROM INDIA AND THESE CHRISTIAN WHORE BEGGETS PAEDOPHILE BARBARIANS WOULD SHUT DOWN.
THE MEDIA, SPECIALLY THE ELECTRONIC AND ENGLISH MEDIA IS IN THE HANDS OF PIMPS CONVERTED BASTARDS LIKE PRONOY ROY, ASURDESAI, SOBs. THEY ARE IN PAYROLLS OF CIA / ISI /TERRORISTS.
MEDIA WHORES READ NEWS IN DAY AND WARM THE BEDS OF WHITES IN 5 STARS IN THE NIGHT. WAS NOT SAGARIKA GHOSH (CONVERTED NAME SUZZANE GHOSH) A HIGH SOCIETY CALLGIRL??
September 19th, 2008 at 3:06 am
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September 19th, 2008 at 3:11 am
Kill the Xtians save India from AIDS. Christians are Satanic. Their God is actually SATAN? AND AS XTIANITY IS BASED ON”LIES” HELL IS HEAVEN FOR THEM.
THIS IS WHAT THEY HIDE FROM OLD TESTAMENT ABOUT “JEBUS” RESURRECTION.
“that the eyes of Jesus were red and burned like fire the toungue was forked like a serpent”
A POSSESION BY SATAN NO DOUBT
September 19th, 2008 at 4:52 am
It is ridiculous to take name of Bajarang dal in this incident. It is completely christians mistake only. Everywhere in Karnataka they try to convert the people to christianity by telling all unnecessary things. Thats right Congress should be removed from central, if BJP comes in charge then definetly everythng will be alright. All these muslims and christians will keep quite.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:18 am
We are so hurt when someone says or prints literature which we ourselves are not sure about whether it is true or false.
When someone calls us bad words in daily life be it our boss in office or our seniors we keep quiet because there is gain involved. So we are selfish in bearing everything else. But when it comes to religion, though we will never help even a single beggar in life we claim that we want to fight for God….Wouldnt this be another form of Jihad if we take up arms & fight for God…I believe God doesnt need anyone to fight for Him….He is almighty…So we should not loo at barking dogs if we are convinved of what we believe…
September 19th, 2008 at 5:20 am
That is if we are convinced in what we believe….!!!
God stands above all & doesnt need human hands & legs to defend Him….
If God is in what the so called converters are expunding then no man will be able to stop that….
So let God judge….
September 19th, 2008 at 6:28 am
Christiana and Muslims should be thrown out from our land. Actually they were Hindus before conversion. Now they are acting as either Muslim or Christian.
We all know Jesus was born as a Jew SLAVE and died as a SLAVE. And now his followers in India, the frustrated and converted Christians want to do the same thing which British did. CONVERSION. Stop this and throw this religion out of our country.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:28 am
· When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others. Their projection as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).
there god is with full of Lust and anger
there are somany incidents of lust and anger by there god jesus him self
in one such situation he crushed a tree for not giving the fruit in off season..
and in there genesis.. they project that there god created earth to proclaim his superioriy.. for that he created the earth and craeted man put him in Aden and put a tree on it and insist him and his lady that not to eat that forbiden fruit
will any body put poison pot in front of the child and say never drink that.. i think that the christian god is so foolish to do it..
the Adem and Eve are brother and sister. because eve is created from the body of Adem.. if she is not the sister she will atlest his daughter.. can any body marry his own sister or daughter..??
in there so called religius book they said that those who done any sin will go to hell for ever?
that means
if i steal 100 crore rupees i will be there in the hell for ever
if i steal 1 rupee also i will put in hell for ever? there is no logic in there religios text..
equal punish ment to every thing???
here are so many other paradoxes in bibile??
September 19th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Intead of expressing isolated views somebody should come out with a befitting answers for the points mentioned in Satya Darshini. This will atleast be an eye opener for the people who have got converted after reading the contents of Satya darshini.
There should be a centralized Hindu Body for publishing religious books to put a check on publications from unauthorized quarters and bring uniformity.
There shoud be more room for debates and interactions over the doubts arising in the minds of younger generation, with a scope for logical and meaningful answers, about religious scriptures, culture,literatures etc..
Sanskrit should be made compulsory for all Hindus, which certainly will play a major role in bridging a gap between the caste and certainly will contribute towards the dilution of caste system
September 19th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
,Krisna-,Krisna- Hare-Hare .Please be calm & cool. Belive in God. He is watching everything.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:29 am
what is given on VSacharya’s ite is one sided information.
Go to http://www.daijiworld .com and see the actual story.
See how the Police and district administration sided with the perpetrators and beat up old women, nuns and chidren who were in silent protest.
It is easy to denigrate other religions. Introspect and try to take out the shortcomings in your own first.
It is easy to die for ones religion. try to live for yours.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:47 am
its a real eye opener..
but i bet the issue wont rise much ..
since we hindus are not so united.
but let us not forget..
DHARMA RAKSHATI RAKSHIT..
which means”religion protects those,who protect religon”
September 19th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Just can beleive y such missionaries are after hindus . The protest is right. GOd is one , different names to it. Whether u say bhagwan , allah or jesus. All are one. So its a stupid act to balme other’s god as god is one and is evrywhere in different forms.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
please do attache the scaned copy of missionaries are distributing so peopel can have transperancey what u said it is never ever b doubet about u r passing the truth we know that
we have to be in united all hindu first and we have to have self houner to being hindu
September 19th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
We must translate and publish these Hindu Abusing Booklets and distribute to all Hindus and non-Hindus across the world and world. We need to expose the nefarious designs of christian missionaries.
Please submit copies of these booklets before all courts in the nation and send to UN Human and Religious Rights Commission. We must take this battle to its logical conclusion.
Veer bhugya vasundara, the World only enjoyed by the braves. So, be brave. Praying will not solve Christian Missionaries Soul Harvesting Terrroism.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Hi Guys,
I am new to this blog. I will have this visited everyday from now on. I have been a regular visitor of offstumped.nationalinterest.in
Some of the regulars there have joined together to actively solve problems our great civilization and nation is facing.
Thanks for doing this great work Deepak Kamath. I will mail you and get in touch with you.
Readers do please let me know if you guys would be interested in doing something contructive to revive and relight the spirit of Sanatan Dharma. Let truth triumph. Let us all join forces to bring glory to our nation and our way of life.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
mind ur language BASAVARAJ.where do u live man?first bring back ur hindu brothers who have left india for a better living and are mutiplying in christian and muslim countries.have u seen ur hindu bros begging before the US consulate for a visa??dude..wake up man..
September 19th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Who gave you the right to attack the churches? If someone has some grievances against someone, should he go and kill that person? Isn’t there law of the land? People are talking about throwing Christians & Muslims out of country. Aren’t there Hindus working & living in the Gulf & western countries? What about ISKCON’s overseas activities? Aren’t they spreading the hindu religion? Mangalore was known for peace & harmony. Let us maintain that & PLEASE stop making the accusation of conversions against the Christians.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
IAM SORRY MR DEEPAK KAMATH.
its very sad to see that some people just to prove hindus are right ,hiding the truth. i agree there are some articles published about hindu gods which was wrong.you can not blame all christians for one persons mistake,there are lots of groups in christanity ,we ourself have kept them out of church for their such behaviour many years back. but mr kamat you and your people boast about your god, did your god tell u to give wrong information to others just to prove that attacks were right???
there are lots of peole ommenting on mr kamaths reports. mr kamath its not their fault its ur fault, atleast have a guts to tell the truth to the people.by just writting whatever your mind said can not turn the truth in to false.
if u say that only one catholic church was attacked then can u pls give the name of other 12 churches or prayer halls???? so that those who want to know the truth can find out???????
i dont knw where are you from? iam from mangalore and seen everything what your bajrangdal did.so if u have liitle faith in your god then write the truth, do not misguide people.
when one dog barks all other dogs also bark because they dont know whats hapening.these comments are also like that.
people may feel ,i have written this because iam a christian, sorry guys jesus has told me one thing – there is only one religion in this world tat is “love one another”.we christians always try to do that ,but some bajrangis dont like it. i dont blame any hindus because i knw we have seen their love when there were rite in mangalore ,almost 50% hindus supported us. and these bajrangis are ofcourse not hindus.a person who kills the other do not have any religion, he belongs to satan.he is not human.
my dear hindu brothers and sisters ,there are loopholes in all religions,one person does some mistake that does not mean that all have commited mistake.
if someone writes wrong about your god catch him and give it to the police,and if police dosent listen to you then kill him infront of others,pls do not kill innocent people.
there are lots of blasphemy in these blogs about jesus that dosent mean that ,i will have to kill you.grow up guys,think before you speak,think whats right and whats wrong.then only your god will give you insight,to know the truth.
and those people who want to know the truth what happend in mangalore just search from google any sight you wish!!!!
may god bless you all
September 19th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
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September 19th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
I myself am a christian and i approve what these people are doing. of course they take the poor, ignoratn, tribal people for granted and stuff Christianity into them .
I know protestants are involved in conversion i myself did attend TPM which i have stopped now,
FELLOW CHRISTIANS HERE….. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE FOR GRANTED JUST FOR THE CAUSE HINDUS ARE SO TOLERANT
September 20th, 2008 at 4:44 am
Such information should be given to the media, it should be flash out and the media should show the courage to publish this. Dont Let the nasty politician to convert this to vote.
Why we dont have a strong media to bring the truth to public.
Now a days majority of publicity is going thru visual media. We must have a new chanel in all language.
At least the truth to publish.
September 20th, 2008 at 4:50 am
>>mind ur language BASAVARAJ.where do u live man?first bring back ur hindu brothers who have left india for a better living and are mutiplying in christian and muslim countries.have u seen ur hindu bros begging before the US consulate for a visa??dude..wake up man..<<
WHERE DO YOU LIVE YOU CHRISTIAN WHORE RAHUL, FIRST TELL ME YOU F**CKING XTIAN PARSSITE TRAITOR SNAKE. HEY HAVE YOU SEEN THE LATEST EMPLOYMENT OF XTIAN WHORES (THEY ALL BED ATLEAST 100 MEN IN THEIR LIVES) DO BREED LIKE PIGS (EVEN PIGS WOULD BE ANGRY TO BE COMPARED TO XTIANS). WHO INVITED YOUR BLOODY FUCKING FILTHHY PRESENCE ON THIS SITE ANYWAY, NOOO IT IS IN THE FILTHY CHRISTIAN BLOOD TO COME IN UNINVITED, BEG AND STAB IN THE BACK. SATANIC BLOOD YOU SEE. YOU BSTDS WON’T GO EASILY ONLY A FINAL SOLUTION HAS TO BE ARRIVED AT TO FINISH THE VATICUNTIST STAN WORSHIPPING BASTARDS. AND INDIA XTIANS OFF COURSE EVERYBODY KNOWS ARE PRODUCTS OF THE WHORES WHO ENTERTAINED THE BRITS,PORTUGESE LIKE YOUR GRANDMA.
SOBB GIVE YOUR ADDRESS
BY THE WAY MOTHERFUCKING IS NOT A SIN ALSO IN XTIANITY, SO JESUS WAS AFTER A PROSTITUTE MARY (MOTHER MARY)
September 20th, 2008 at 4:57 am
>> HEY HEY KEVIN U R NOT FROM MANGALORE YOU ARE A PARASITE CHRISTIAN AND LIES IS IN YOUR BLOOD. IN FACT BAJRANG DAL SHOULD HAVE BUTCHERED ALL THE DIRTY XTIAN DOGS OUT OF INDIA NOT ONLY MANGALORE. ANOTHER XTIAN FILTH ARIVING UNINVITED TO PERPERATE “LIES” ON WHICH THEIR F**KING ADHARM IS BASED AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DO LOOT PEOPLE AND LEAVE THEM WITH BIB-LIE. THEY ALL ARE BARKING BECAUSE OF TERRORIST SONIA MAINO<as Australians call them, is far worse than anything which ever happened anywhere, except the slavery in Deep South of USA. When I was in Darwin, I saw aboriginal men and women savagely beaten with wooden sticks right at the back of Darwin hotel, in the main street, and anywhere where they dared show their faces.
Tasmanian aboriginals were methodically exterminated in the 19th century by a force of British mercenaries, mainly made up of Polish war dogs, who showed no mercy even to babes in arms. Last Tasmanian aboriginal died about a decade ago, without leaving a single descendant alive. Australia has lots tyo be ashamed of.Just north of Australia lies the island of New Guinea. The island is divided in half with the eastern half the independent nation of Papua New Guinea. The western half is West Papua (Irian Jaya) which has been under brutal Indonesian military occupation and genocide. Genocide because there is 4,9 million Papuan difference in numbers between independent Papua New Guinea (population 6,1 million) and West Papua (1,2 million Papuan population). Location of the world’s biggest gold and copper mine operated by Rio Tinto and Freeport-McMoran, the plight of the Papuans for freedom had been ignored for far too long. Indonesian encroachment into Papua New Guinea territory is creating a security risk in the region. The West Papuans need your help. koteka warriors.Like the conquest of the Native Americans, the decimation of Aboriginal Australia laid the foundation of Australia’s empire. The land was taken and many of its people were removed and impoverished or wiped out. For their descendants, untouched by the tsunami of sentimentality that accompanied Rudd’s apology, little has changed. In the Northern Territory’s great expanse known as Utopia, people live without sanitation, running water, rubbish collection, decent housing and decent health. This is typical. In the community of Mulga Bore, the water fountains in the Aboriginal school have run dry and the only water left is contaminated.
Throughout Aboriginal Australia, epidemics of gastroenteritis and rheumatic fever are as common as they were in the slums of 19th-century England. Aboriginal health, says the World Health Organization, lags almost a hundred years behind that of white Australia. This is the only developed nation on a United Nations “shame list” of countries that have not eradicated trachoma, an entirely preventable disease that blinds Aboriginal children. Sri Lanka has beaten the disease, but not rich Australia. On 25 February, a coroner’s inquiry into the deaths in outback towns of 22 Aboriginal people, some of whom had hanged themselves, found they were trying to escape their “appalling lives.”
Most white Australians rarely see this third world in their own country. What they call here “public intellectuals” prefer to argue over whether the past happened, and to blame its horrors on the present-day victims. Their mantra that Aboriginal infrastructure and welfare spending provide “a black hole for public money” is racist, false and craven. Hundreds of millions of dollars that Australian governments claim they spend are never spent, or end up in projects for white people. It is estimated that the legal action mounted by white interests, including federal and state governments, contesting Aboriginal native title claims alone covers several billion dollars. Smear is commonly deployed as a distraction. In 2006, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation’s leading current affairs program, Lateline, broadcast lurid allegations of “sex slavery” among the Mutitjulu Aboriginal people. The source, described as an “anonymous youth worker,” was exposed as a federal government official, whose “evidence” was discredited by the Northern Territory chief minister and police. Lateline never retracted its allegations. Within a year, Prime Minister John Howard had declared a “national emergency” and sent the army, police and “business managers” into Aboriginal communities in the Northern Territory. A commissioned study on Aboriginal children was cited; and “protecting the children” became the media cry – just as it had more than half a century ago when children were kidnapped by white welfare authorities. One of the authors of the study, Pat Anderson, complained: “There is no relationship between the emergency powers and what’s in our report.” His research had concentrated on the effects of slum housing on children. Few now listened to him. Kevin Rudd, as opposition leader, supported the “intervention” and has maintained it as prime minister. Welfare payments are “quarantined” and people controlled and patronized in the colonial way. To justify this, the mostly Murdoch-owned capital-city press has published a relentlessly one-dimensional picture of Aboriginal degradation. No one denies that alcoholism and child abuse exist, as they do in white Australia, but no quarantine operates there. <
September 20th, 2008 at 5:05 am
AND THIS IS WHAT THEIR “HOLY FATHER” DOES. OFFCOURSE THE STANISM WHICH WORSHIPS A DEAD JEW HANGING FROM A TORTURE INSTRUMENT, DRINKS THE BLOOD AND EATS THE FLESH OF “CHRIST” IS SATANISM AND CANNIBALISM AT ITS WORST.
SOME “GOOD DEEDS” (FOR THEM ANYWAY EVERYTHING BAD IS GOOD AS XTIAN LANGUAGE SPEAKS IN REVERSE)
Sex crimes and the Vatican
Crimen Sollicitationis was written in 1962 in Latin and given to Catholic bishops worldwide who are ordered to keep it locked away in the church safe.
It instructs them how to deal with priests who solicit sex from the confessional. It also deals with “any obscene external act … with youths of either sex.”
It imposes an oath of secrecy on the child victim, the priest dealing with the allegation and any witnesses.
Breaking that oath means excommunication from the Catholic Church.
Reporting for Panorama, Colm O’Gorman finds seven priests with child abuse allegations made against them living in and around the Vatican City.
One of the priests, Father Joseph Henn, has been indicted on 13 molestation charges brought by a grand jury in the United States.
During filming for Sex Crimes and the Vatican, Colm finds Father Henn is fighting extradition orders from inside the headquarters of this religious order in the Vatican.
The Vatican has not compelled him to return to America to face the charges against him.
After filming, Father Henn lost his fight against extradition but fled the headquarters and is believed to be hiding in Italy while there is an international warrant for his arrest.
Colm O’Gorman was raped by a Catholic priest in the diocese of Ferns in County Wexford in Ireland when he was 14 years old.
Father Fortune was charged with 66 counts of sexual, indecent assault and another serious sexual offence relating to eight boys but he committed suicide on the eve of his trial.
Colm started an investigation with the BBC in March 2002 which led to the resignation of Dr Brendan Comiskey, the bishop leading the Ferns Diocese.
Colm then pushed for a government inquiry which led to the Ferns Report.
It was published in October 2005 and found: “A culture of secrecy and fear of scandal that led bishops to place the interests of the Catholic Church ahead of the safety of children.”
The Catholic Church has 50 million children in its worldwide congregation and no universal child protection policy although in the UK there is the Catholic Office for the Protection of Children & Vulnerable Adults.
Source: BBC One PANORAMA http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/5389684.stm Last Updated: Friday, 29 September 2006, 13:55 GMT 14:55 UK
Reproduced from above source on 6 Apr 2008 at 11 PM +05:30
September 20th, 2008 at 5:13 am
And offcourse the HUMAN SACRIFICE SANCTIONED IN BIB-LIE. REMARKABLE EXAMPLE OF CHRISTIAN “LOVE” (BARBARISM IS CALLED LOVE; OFFCOURSE XTIAN LIES AS TRUTH).
Deuteronomy 12:27
And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh.
The Judeo/Christian bible is chock full of blood sacrifice- HUMAN blood sacrifice. Most xians rely on what their preacher has to say and/or are too lazy or mentally challenged to read and study for themselves. How many people bother to REALLY THINK?? In addition to the blatant human blood sacrifices for jehova, bloodbath after bloodbath took place under the direction and orders of this bloodthirsty entity in the form of numerous wars and other acts of inhumanity.
Exodus 22:29 “Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.”
Ezekiel 20:25-26 “Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good and judgments whereby they should not live; “
20:26 “And I polluted them in their own gifts in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.”
II Samuel 21 is another example of blood sacrifice to appease Jehova.
21:6 Let seven men of his sons be delivered unto us, and we will hang them up unto the Lord in Gib’e-ah of Saul, whom the Lord did choose.
21:9 And he delivered them into the hands of the Gib’e-on-ites, and they hanged them in the hill before the Lord: and they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest.
21:10 And Riz’pah the daughter of A-i’ah took sackcloth, and spread it for her upon the rock, from the beginning of harvest until water dropped upon them out of heaven, and suffered neither the birds of the air to rest on them by day, nor the beasts of the field by night.
September 20th, 2008 at 5:15 am
SOMETHING ABOUT CANNIBALISM (NO DOUBT THE BLOODTHIRSTY GOD’S BIRTH IS CELEBERATED BY KILLING BILLIONS OF TURKEYS AND LIQUOR (CHRISTUS URINE) IS THE MAIN DRINK)
CANNIBALISM:
Deuteronomy 28:53
And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
28:54
So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
28:55
So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
28:56
The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
September 20th, 2008 at 5:24 am
SOMETHING ON XTIAN PEACE (OF GRAVEYARD WHERE ALL OF THEM SHOULD BE PACKED).
i) Holy Bible — New Testament, Luke 12; 51-53: Jesus said:
“Do you suppose that I came to bring peace to the World? No, not peace, but division. From now on a family of five will be divided, three against two and two against three. Fathers will be against their sons, and sons against their fathers; mothers will be against their daughters and daughters against their mothers; mothers-in-law will be against their daughters-in-law, and daughters-in-law against their mothers-in-law.”
ii) Holy Bible, New Testament, Luke 20; 27: Jesus said:
“For those enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king, bring them here and kill them in my presence.”
September 20th, 2008 at 5:27 am
THEIR “GREAT” TERRORIST “SAINTS” HA HA HA SO SAINTLY BASTDS
>Letters written by Francis Xavier himself to the king of Portugal have been published wherein he publicly declared.
“I have no words to express the joy which I felt at seeing a number of temples destroyed by their erstwhile worshippers after they were converted to Christianity.”
September 20th, 2008 at 5:36 am
THE DIRTY XTIAN SATANS WHILE THEY HAVE MURDERED SWAMI LAXMANANDA OPENLY WITH THE COVERT SUPPORT OF MAINO AND THE NAKED CIA DOG JOHN DAYAL, NOW OPENLY SHOUT TO THEIR MASTERS IN USA AND VATI-CUNTS WHEN FEW OF THE DIRTY DOGS ARE INJURED (WHILE THEY SHOULD BE KILLED ) THE FUCKING NEFARIOUS TROJAN HORSES OF CIA. HEY RAHUL WHERE DO YOU MOTHERFUCK (NOT A SIN IN XTIANITY) SOBB . ANYWAY SONIA MAINO IS GOING AND YOUR CHRISTIAN END IS COMING. TIME TO BURY THIS SATANIC BASTARDISM WHICH HAS KILLED 1.2 BILLION HUMANS AND TRILLIONS OF ANIMALS TO SATISFY AT THEIR SATANIC ALTER.
September 20th, 2008 at 5:51 am
‘ The Christian resolve to find the world evil and ugly, has made the world evil and ugly.’
– Friedrich Nietzsche
Vile Princes of the Papacy
“Popes maimed & were maimed, killed & were killed… Without question, these pontiffs constitute the most despicable body of leaders, clerical or lay, in history. They were, frankly, barbarians. Ancient Rome had nothing to rival them in rottenness.”
– Peter de Rosa (Vicars of Christ, p48)
SOMETHING ON THE GREAT GENES OF THEIR “ROMAN POPES”
John XII (955-964).
Born from an incestuous relationship between Pope Sergio III and his 13-year-old daughter Marozie. John, in turn, “”took his mother as his own mistress.”"
Pope at 18, he turned the Lateran into a brothel. He was accused by a synod of “sacrilege, simony, perjury, murder, adultery and incest” and was temporarily deposed.
He took his revenge on opponents by hacking off limbs. He was murdered by an enraged husband who caught him having sex with his wife.
(OFFCOURSE MOTHERFUCKING NOT A SIN IN XTIANITY)
1204 Christian crusaders sack & ruin greatest Christian city, Constantinople.
1209 Pope Innocent III launches Albigensian Crusade against Christian Cathars of southern France. 7000 massacred in La Madeleine Church alone.
1211 Burning of Waldenses heretics at Strasbourg begins several centuries of persecution.
German Teutonic Knights butcher their way through the Baltic lands, savage Catholic Poles & Orthodox Russians.
1231: Pope Gregory IX authorizes Inquisition for dealing with heretics.
1277 Pope John XXI, alarmed by rumors of pagan heresy among “scholars of arts in the faculty of theology” pressurizes Stephen Tempier, Bishop of Paris, to prohibit 219 philosophical and theological theses. The “Condemnations of Paris” is the first of 16 lists of censorship.
Burning of the Jews of Cologne – blamed by Christians for the Black Death (Liber Chronicarum Mundi).
World Domination?
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman pontiff.”
– Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unun Sanctum, 1302
1311-12: Ecumenical Council of Vienne. It authorises the brutal suppression of the Knights Templar (mercenaries of the church who have outlived their usefulness).
1411 Dominican Vincente Ferrer revives anti-Jewish hysteria in Spain: “cohorts of the Devil and Anti-Christ, clever, warped and doomed.”
1415 John Huss of Bohemia, critic of papal corruption but guaranteed personal safety, burned at the stake. “When dealing with heretics, one is not obligated to keep his word.” – Pope Gregory XII.
1415 Pope John XXIII deposed: “The most scandalous charges were suppressed; the Vicar of Christ was only accused of piracy, murder, rape, sodomy and incest.”
– Gibbon (Decline & Fall)
1478: Pope Sixtus IV, in alliance with King Ferdinand of Spain, establishes the Spanish Inquisition. Jews, Moors and heretics will be imprisoned, tortured and murdered for centuries.
The bisexual Sixtus, though suffering from syphilis, fathers children from his elder sister.
NO DOUBT EVEN SISTER FUCKING NOT A SIN,
AND THESE DEMONIC XTIAN BARBARIANS, WORSHIPPERS OF “JULIUS CEASER” WANT THE DEMONIC AND MONSTER “SECULARISM” WHERE THEY ARE A MINORITY TO BREED LIKE GUTTER PIGS, AND THEN WIPE OF THE EXISTING POPULATION. THE WAHABBI STRAIN OF ISLAM WHICH IS INVOLVED IN TERRORISM, IS ACTUALLY CONTROLLED BY JESUISTS, AS CLEARLY EXPOSED BY SKOL NICKS; FINANCED BY SAUDI ARABIA WHOSE KING IS A PIMP OF JESUISTS
September 20th, 2008 at 5:57 am
MORE OF XTIAN LOVE AS COMMANDED IN BIB-LIE
Loving Your Neighbour? – Killing Your Opponents!
Christians get a lot of mileage out of the aphorism of ‘turning the other cheek’, a sentiment originating at least as early as Pythagoras in the fifth century BC. Yet both in theory and in practice, Christians have honoured the principle of murdering their opponents. The word, it seems, came from the very top. Apparently Jesus himself said:
“But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.”
– Luke 19.27 *
The Christian Heaven may have been a vain folly but the Christian Hell was real enough. For more than a thousand years sadists in the uniform of Christ terrorised and brutalised a continent and then exported that terror to the four corners of the globe.
The Church, which, with a satanic twist of humour, claimed to be the instrument of ‘Christ’s loving kindness’ , taught a brutalised and impoverished people new meanings to the words pain and suffering…
JUST A FEW OF THE “LOVE” INSTRUMENTS OF THE SATANIC BARBARIANS AND SNAKES IN WHITE ROBES
1.Breaking on the Wheel.
The naked heretic had each limb and joint broken precisely to avoid any fatal blows. He was then ‘braided’ into the spokes of the wheel and hoisted on to a post. There he was exposed to the elements – or left to be twirled by passers by who wanted to join in the fun.
The Pope’s Pears:
The vaginal pear was used on woman who had sex with the Devil or his familiars. The rectal pear was used on passive male homosexuals and the oral pear was used on heretical preachers or lay persons found guilty of unorthodox practices. Inserted into the mouth, anus or vagina of the victim, the pear was expanded by use of the screw until the insides are ripped, stretched and mutilated, almost always causing death. The pointed ends of the ‘leaves’ were good for ripping the throat, intestines or cervix open.
The Judas Cradle:
The victim is raised up by the rope or chain and then lowered until the vagina, anus or the coccyx rests on the point. The torturer could vary the pressure by hanging weights from the victim or rocking or raising and dropping the victim from various heights.
Iron Spider:
The iron would usually be heated to red-hot and then used to slowly rip the breasts from the body. It would be used for such crimes as heresy, adultery, self-induced abortions, blasphemy and other “hideous” crimes.
Just a few of the tortures that ‘heretics’ went through:
• Skin flayed from head, face and body
• Noses, nipples and breasts pulled off with red hot pinchers
• Fried or boiled alive or roasted on a spit
• Mouth slit back to ears
• Crucified upside down
• Thrown from windows on to spears
• Arms cut off
• Torturous slow burning, soles of feet, then up to ankles, mid-calf, etc.
• Women stripped, hung from trees by their hair and scourged or left hanging by one leg until dead
• Tourniquet placed on head and twisted until eyes came out
September 20th, 2008 at 6:03 am
THESE DIRTY PIGS WON’T GO OFF INDIA AS SUCH. CHRISTIAN-HINDU WAR IS THE DEMAND OF THE DAY, NOT ONLY HERE BUT IN EVERY CITY POLLUTED BY THESE DEMONS INCLUDING THE VATI-CUNTIST JANPATH AND SOUTH BLOCK.
BY THE WAY ALL THESE BLASTS ARE A HANDIWORK OF CHRISTIAN MISSIONARY CONTROLLED NETWORK (BLESSED BY CONGRESS) TO USE WAHABBI MUSLIMS AS KNIGHT TEMPLARS SO THAT THE NEFARIOUS WORK OF DIVIDING INDIA BY THESE TRASH BIN BIRTHS OF POTUGESE AND BRITS CAN COMPLETE THE TASK OF DIVIDING AND BREAKING INDIA
September 20th, 2008 at 8:19 am
@ Sea Lion
That seals it.
@ All,
Soon we will have a new discussion board in this website so that we can discuss all issues pertaining to Hinduism.
September 20th, 2008 at 8:30 am
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The evil nexus between the savage islamic communalists and xian criminals is now legendary.
Best soluiton is to boycott all bollywood movies and xian schoools feeding their frenzy and filling their pockets. Women and kids must go in frequent marches free from BJP/VHP/RSS type links denouncing RSS/BJP walas too for being too soft. Make Hindu or with names like Citizens Against Regression and Exploitation – CARE. Make up nice names like that!! or PACT – Poor Againt Colonial Terrorism as these are colonial excreta!!
This is what my HIndu patriot wrote:
“Let us defeat the tyranny of minority-ism that consists of savage mob- and bomb-terror, conversion mafia antics, oppression of our masses who have been
* made to hate our own leaders,
* denied basic civil rights even to live
**w/o islamic savagery
** w/o evanjihadi assaults
** practising our way of life w/o stoning of Ganesh/Hanuman functions;
* left w/o a political voice…etc”
Power to the Hindumans! Boycott minority business and tourism to islamic and xian countries and products like Horlicks, Colgate paste, patronize Ayurvedic products and Hindu business like the Gujarathis!!
September 20th, 2008 at 11:31 am
peace and hormony…,going through law…, is out of control now. what bajarangdal is doing is right. Media is playing a very big role in blaming bajarangdal. muslims are killing us in the name of ‘Jihad’ and If we fight when our gods are abused, the news will spread like anthing and BJP is found responsible, I feel Congress is responsible for these ‘Jihadi -blasts’. WE MUST TEACH A LESSON TO CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES , IF WE KEEP QUITE, WE ARE NOT HINDUS.
September 20th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
My humble request to everybody is to avoid vulgar language. We have several relevant points to give, which will show that it is the Christians(crosstians) who are to blamed for ‘instigating’ the generally peaceful and tolerant hindus to violence.
A famous commandment of Jesus is: ‘Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.’It therefore goes without saying that Jesus would not approve of the conversions and the degrading tactics adopted by the Evangelist Crosstians to convert the Hindus. He would have said:’Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you.’Would Christians tolerate it if Hindus behaved in the same way to them as they are doing to the Hindus?
There is a ‘church’ in Chennai,built adjoinig the wall of temple.This ‘church’ is on the first floor and the roof is thatched.One Friday morning, as I was passing by,I heard loud ‘prayers’ from the ‘church’, but no activity in the temple. It was obvious that since Friday is an auspicious day for the Hindus, the Christians wantonly held loud ‘prayers’on that day.Hindus, not wanting ‘trouble’, since ‘minorities’ are pampered by the ’secular’politicians, desist from ‘competing’ with them.So the ‘minorities’take advantage.
Would these people allow a temple to be built adjoining or anywhere near their church or mosque? Never! So is it not plain audacity that they have done this to Hindus? Tomorrow if the thatched hut went up in flames, they would accuse Hindus of setting fire to their ‘church’and give international propaganda to this effect.Such is the treachery of these people!
September 20th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
in Thenkasi,TN, there is an ancient,famous Kasi Viswanathar Temple. Some muslims of the area wanted to build a mosque right opposite the temple, on the temple land! The violent muslims(Islamists)hacked to death four brothers of a family,because they objected to it. In another village, muslims insisted on getting a burial ground just opposite to the cremation ground of the Hindus.They rejected an alternate site offered by the Hindus.I do not know what happened after that.
September 20th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
it is inded amazing that India can have Hindus who think that they win arguments by denying THE BASIC FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ANYONE IN THIS CASE CHRISTIANS
Is this democracy in india?
my oh my….
September 20th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
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BY THE WAY SISTERFUCKING IS NOT A SIN ALSO IN HINDUISM, NO WONDER KRISHNA HAD 16000 WIFES SO YOUR FOUNDATION IS BASED ON AIDS..
:0)))
September 20th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
THROW THE BASTARD BASAVARAJ AND HIS F***ING COUSINS FROM us AND EUROPE.BEGGRES WILL GO THERR AND LICK CUNT FOR JOBS AND BRING BACK MONEY HERE AND LIVE A LAVISH LIFE.BASTARDS SHUD BE THROWN OUT OF THOSE COUNTRIES.HALF OF THE COUNTRIES PEOPLE WILL COCME ON ROADS AND ENGAGE IN PROSTITUTION..BLOODY PIG
September 20th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
KUTTA SEALION
i have lot to say to many people in this blogs. specially MR SEALION
HAI mr SEA LION. you can shout from the top of ur house but ur 3 crore gods cannot save you. how krishna who sleeps with 16000 wives can save people???????? hw can he get time man????? he must be naked all the time.u hindus worship SHIVLING( afterall its lund man!!!) hw such lund can save u???? i want to ask u about ganpati.if shiva had cut ganpatis head ,if shiva is ur god, he could have put that same head back on ganpati, why he put elephants head??????? oh!!!!!! first he did not knw that ganpati was his son?????? that means he must have had so many girls that he forgot whom he fucked!!!! hw can a god did not knw his son?????? when tat shiva did not knw his own son , hw can he knw u hindus???????? oh!!!!! thats why you people pray to his lund????????? i think that lund gives you the power of VIAGRA???
keep it up sealion, good going. u r showing ur frustration , i think ur are frustrated in chosing ur god among those 3 crore gods. thats why u people drink cows urine????? cow dung is ur prasad!!!!!!!! amazing
i think u people will worship human shit after some time??? quite possible!! afetrall humans are little better than animals.
all u hindus do whatever u want , jesus is the only god in this world,dosent matter what u write truth is truth.
sealion dont get frustrated by my blog.it would have been better if u had spent time in finding ur own god among 3crores, instead of finding wordings from bible. who gave u bible dear??????? it is said in the bible that all non religious people will thurst for my words. its true ,u will also find jesus oneday. till then enjoy with ur idols.
these days hindu gods are also giving VIAGRA?????? there is one advertising in the internet which says:
SHIVA: HERE IS THE SECRET OF MY ENERGIE!!!!
KRISHNA: HERE IS THE SECRET OF 16000 WOMEN AND STILL GOING STRONG- BUY ONE – ONE BOTTLE COW SHIT FREE.
ADDRESS: SHIVA TEMPLE
September 20th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
” SEA LION, have u read booklet SATYA DARSHINI??????? its truth man, read it. short and sweet bagwad geeta.
hey dont hit ur head!! it will hurt u only.
beta tension math le, aisa kabi kabi hota he. i have one mental hospital here, i will give u free treatment.
because if u keep on writting in the blogs like this u will go mad. hw much u read buddy?????? u read bible, quoran, but why dont u read ur geeta?????? accha, sad o what, krishna has 16000 , i dont have one.dont worry beta, yaha aaja- laloo ki gaay 2 din se tumhe bula rahi he.
its better for ur kind of people to die.u should be killed in public man. i think u r one part of that bajrangis?????? who are uneducated,
ma baap ne kuch sikaya nahin kya???? beta aisa tho ma-baap kaise rahenge????
kutte jaake apne dimaag ka ilaz kar,nahin tho tera email id bej tera mein ilaaz kartha hu. suhar, kichad se paida hua he ,tu kichad me hi rahega. jangli tha , jangli hi rahega. tum kaan kaata he kya gooo kaatha he??????? tum jaise logo se saala sab hindus ko gali deni pad rahi he. kutte pehle apne bagwan ke baare me soch baad me dusro ke baare me sochna.
what do u think we cant brake ur temples?????? its so easy man??? tum koi ek temple ka naam de kal shaam thak udake aatha hu.tum hindu logo ko thoda jaga diya tho kaan me muthega kya?????
dum he tho address dena saaale. dum nahin he tho ghar pe bait chudi pehenke.
September 21st, 2008 at 7:05 am
@ all anti-Hindu polemicists
Please read HIndu shruthies like Vedas and UPANISHADS
September 21st, 2008 at 7:05 am
@ all anti-Hindu polemicists
Please read HIndu shruthies like Vedas and UPANISHADS before making baseless allegations
September 21st, 2008 at 11:59 am
why u ask others to read vedas and upanishads. u read urself first. there is written about jesus.and those vedas were written way before jesus.accept the truth.
are u angry for people abuse ur gods??????? buddy if u abuse other gods , others will abuse urs, its nuetons law- every action there is equal and opposite reaction.
for ur info, we christians have never converted anyone.its love of jesus has brought ur hindus towards jesus.if we have been converting hindus then christian population should have increased but if u see records christian population has come down to 2.1% from 2.5%
u people dont want us to live in peace.
iam constantly reading these blogs and i see that u r misguiding people, which is quite clear about what u have written in “DENIGRATION OF HINDU GODS IS THE REAL REASON FOR ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS IN MANGALORE”
buddy write the truth if u have guts.why u bajrangis attack church in the night and when nobody is there???? why u people run away after attacking churches??????? kyu gaand me dum nahin he kya???????
its easy for us to brake ur temples man!!! but we follow our jesus christ. we are educated, we knw what is right and wrong. tum hindus ko ma- baap kuch sikatha nahin he kya??????
instead of blaming others for conversion try to bring up ur own community. come down to mangalore and see in those orphanages and old age centres 60% of them are hindus, and they are still hindus, and will remain hindus. instead of wasting time in blaming others spend that time in helping others.
if u help christians , who knows tommorrow christians would like to become a hindu. we will not object it.if we help others dont blame for conversion.
there are so many europeans coming to india and becoming hindu. but it seems nobody has any objections in ur blogs, why???? u feel good when someone becomes hindu, and someone wants to become christian u have a problem??????
go and read ur vedas ,and tell others what is written about jesus.its clearly written there – only jesus is paapa vimochaka. i hope u understand what is paapa vimochaka????? it is clearly written about crucifiction of jesus and hi resuraction.
by barking like a dog , nobody can change the truth.truth will always live.we are prepared for sufferings, because when we christians suffer ,we have experience of christ.which strenghthens our faith.
i must tell all who are against christians- by attacking christians u made a extraordinary things. because those christians who never used to come to church , they are attending prayers.u have united christains – i must say thanks to all u hindus.u have increased our faith ,in the pretext of braking it. so never mind if u again attack churches and prayer halls. it will only add to ur frustration. because the more u suffer ,the more we become stronger.
i must say – we will never attack ur temples because that is not oyr nature. rather thats not the nature of our jesus christ.
only that person attacks who dosent know the truth. we knw the truth – truth is christ is only saviour.no body can have his sins forgiven without him.
some hindus realised it and came to church, that does not mean that they are converted.
i must agree that there were some booklets published agaist hindu gods.that doesnt mean that u can kill anybody because of someones mistake.for ur info there are lots of groups in christanity,first find out who did it then speak.
what u say about bajrangis u threatened the news channels and press ,of sturn action if u write the truth???? its happend in mangalore.
so dont just boast that u r a hindu. first see what u have done for others and society.then only u have a right to speak.by sitting at home and enjoying your own life wont make u a human being. even animals do that.do something for others , forget about christian and muslims do something for ur own community. there are so many who even do not have one time food. how can u have food when ur own community is hungry.
u beleive in god right , then did ur god tell u to be happy urself and dont care for others??????
we help then only because they are also human beings.try to keep fast for one day and u will knw how difficult it is to go without food.
my dear hindus. iam not against any hindus rather.its only how u take it and how u react to the situation. i dont blame anyone because its only a reaction of proving others wrong.
guys instaed of blaming each other why cant we work for those people who are deprived of their basic needs.then only nobady will come to christanity and no body will change religion.we must first try to be a human. i dont understand how a human can kill other person just for the reason that someone has written something wrong??????? grow up guys.just sit and think u will understand.
dusro ke thaali me hamesha kaana jyada diktha he. its hw u see it.
September 21st, 2008 at 12:50 pm
@ above,
The attack on Christians was just a red herring for Shivaraj Patil.
It was just to divert attention from UPA’s inability to deal with terror courtesy Delhi blasts.
Not even a single person was killed in Mangalore and the media has internationalised it as a case of Bajrangi terror on Christians.
It is clear that Christians are calling the shots and are using an isolated incident to draw international attention.
Tell me, did even a single Christian die in the attack? Why internatioanlise it just because Yediyurappa wanted to investigate Church fundings.
Also read my latest post on reconcilation.
September 21st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Hear hear ——now the xtians show their true colors the goddamn half breeds or quarter breeds or whatever kind of mongrels they are.
Attaboy Sea lion you said it. exposed these vermin. The English press is commie run or xtian run and hence they say nothing when lakhs of Hindus are forced out of kashmir but just a few (false) reports of Hindu activism and they shit in their pants.
It is high time orissa, Gujarat and Jammu are repeated all over India.
September 21st, 2008 at 7:08 pm
why u only talk about mangalore ???? i knw no body died in mangalore. what about orissa?? if bajrangis can kill in orisaa they can kill anywhere.
dont ask me to read ur posts because i knw how much truth u write in them.
MR SEALION i think u changed ur slogan !!!! to jai BAJRANGDAL. oh!!! beta sab gaali derahe hai kya??? koi baat nahi aise hi naam change karte raho. why i have to fight for hindus forced out of kashmir??? when u were claming all christians have to be thrown out of india,then muslims are doing right,they are throwing hindus out. u were saying so much that we hindus will fight for our rights?????? go and fight man!!! buddy snake will not bite untill u tease it.muslims are not terrorists,u have made them like that.dont blame christians later if one of us also become terrorist because of ur bajrangis activity. afterall ur own people will die.
and MR. DEEPAK KAMATH
we are not waiting for delhi help.we all know all these people just want vote bank.we just pray for all human beings,for all those who cant live in peace.because jesus himself will protect us. see whats happening in orissa. why there is flood ,why eveything is destroyed???? ask urself.our jesus will never approve of violence, so we dont hurt anyone. but for all ur info jesus had said- “if someone hits u on one cheek, show him the other,”but u people dont knw he has not said anything if someone hits other cheek too. that decision is left to us.
yes ofcourse , its filmy dialouge.but its true.
when bajrngis attack our churches u say that , they have attacked prayer halls only.when we attack dont come for protest. because when u put ur posts , u wanted to tell us that we shouldnt have protested.
what happend did u read vedas???? if u have not ,the read it. thousands of years before jesus it was written, like this- someone will come who will hang on the cross, who will have five wounds, he will be killed like a lamb, he will come back, only that person can save people from their sins”
i did not wanted to write these vedas here, but iam impressed by MR.SEALION who reads bible so much , only for accusing others. if i want to accuse ur gods u people will not have any answer man. just imagine hw many idols u have. and their shapes???? so dont tempt us. because when i write its u who is going to get hurt.
September 22nd, 2008 at 12:24 am
@ Above,
Nobody died in Mangalore and yet the Christian media created an international terror.
In Orissa, the problem started after Christian missionaries murdered a 80-year old revered monk Swami Lakshmanandna. Get your facts right. you seem to be brainwashed by the pseudosecular media.
September 22nd, 2008 at 1:28 am
Dear Mr, Kamat.
Please do writing, people like you can save Hinduisum only…our new generation is forgetting our values and cultures
Keep it Up..
DT
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:30 am
Its true we are losing our identity in life.But still our party’s concentrate on the vote banks than people welfare.Only the opposition party know to critise to get into rule as they wont worry about our country growth.Very sad very difficult to live in a constitution like this.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:01 am
For ppl who are spreading hatered
For they do not sleep unless they have done evil; and their sleep is taken away unless they make someone fall. For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence. Proverbs 4:16-17 NKJV
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the LORD searches every heart and understands every motive behind the thoughts. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever. 1 Chronicles 28:9
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You guys dont know what you are speaking and against whom you are talking.
But remember everytime you are saying these things, Christ is speaking and praying on your behalf
“Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing” Luke 23:34
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But remember there will be a time when this will happen
Philippians 2
Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
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MOST OF IT ALL….
REMEMBER THAT EVEN THE ROMANS WHO WERE CONSIDERED THE MOST POWERFUL TRIED TO STOP CHRISTIANITY. TODAY THEY HAVE VANISHED, THEIR POWER HAS ALL GONE!!!
ORISSA IS UNDER THE WORST FLOOD IN THE LAST DECADE. KARNATAKA TOPS THE LIST OF THE MAXIMUM CASES OF CHIKUNGUNIYA.
God is for us and he loves us all. He loves you too and he is willing to take your yoke(burden) away. You just need to let him do so.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:52 am
Converstion is very practice & It is become shaapa for India from last 2k years, 1st was charvaka, 2nd was buddha this buddha had three shishyas three shiyas gone for convertion into three sides, one gone to south India, another gone to west india and outside And another one gone to eastern countries and they durted India by simply condomnding Hindus they converted hindus for 1000years that after muslim Kings Aquired the India and they converted without curtacy & with rubbishly & raping the unpower hindu womens for an 800 years after that western whitish had come and still coming and making the convertion is on and on and on, that one fellow bollywood director given one statement Convertion is a gift for India Because he is slave of Dawood so he is telling saala, Please save India And Save sanaatan dharma, DHARMA MEEVA JAYATHE, JAI HINDU.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:55 am
When the whole world is seeing videos and photos of huge Churches being vandalized, How can you guys bluntly accept such a lie that only unauthorized prayer halls were attacked? If they were unauthorized, that would have become a HOT topic now and GOVT would have seized those places by now.
Anyways now that they have accepted that they have attacked, arent they taking law into their hands instead of reporting it to the police??
If there are any forcible conversions, the people who were forced should have lodged any complaints. The IPS police has admitted that there are no such complaints(NDTV Special Report on 21Sep 9:30PM). Which automatically infers that the conversions are not forced.
So why are these ppl spreading violence??
Coming to the books that were published, the bajrang dal leader himself told that the publisher of the book was unknown (NDTV Special Report on 21Sep 9:30PM). He only said that they obtained it from within the Church.
Say tomorrow if a bible is found in a Hindu temple does it mean that hindus have published it?? There are lots of books that object various religions that are found at many book shops.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:23 am
@ Ajit,
All that you spoke is just hogwash. Read http://www.christianaggression.com and enlighten yourself.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:01 am
Now I am going to point out the dogmas of Ajit who says:
Dogma: REMEMBER THAT EVEN THE ROMANS WHO WERE CONSIDERED THE MOST POWERFUL TRIED TO STOP CHRISTIANITY. TODAY THEY HAVE VANISHED, THEIR POWER HAS ALL GONE!!!
Reality: Yes, Christians destroyed Roman civilisation. But they could not destroy Hindu civilisation.
Dogma: ORISSA IS UNDER THE WORST FLOOD IN THE LAST DECADE. KARNATAKA TOPS THE LIST OF THE MAXIMUM CASES OF CHIKUNGUNIYA.
Reality: That itself shows that your concept of Christian God is very cheap. He is not forgiving and is very revengeful.
Dogma: God is for us and he loves us all. He loves you too and he is willing to take your yoke(burden) away. You just need to let him do so.
Reality: So God has franchised forgiveness only to Christians. Read history to know Christian terror.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:07 am
How can this be tolerated by the Hindus. The Government (State and Centre) should take stern action against those who dare this dastardly act to denigrate Hindu Gods. Such things can happen only in a country like India. The congress government should be ashamed of this and remove Sonia from the party leadership, immediately.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:07 am
Reply to Ajit and his dogmas.
Dogma: When the whole world is seeing videos and photos of huge Churches being vandalized, How can you guys bluntly accept such a lie that only unauthorized prayer halls were attacked? If they were unauthorized, that would have become a HOT topic now and GOVT would have seized those places by now.
Reality: I maintain that only unauthorised prayer halls were damaged. The rest of it was just ordinary ransack which did not deserve international coverage. The very fact that it was internationalised proves that Christian lobby wields disproportionate power to cry victimhoood. Thousands of Hindu Temples are demolished and there is no international uproar.
Dogma: Anyways now that they have accepted that they have attacked, arent they taking law into their hands instead of reporting it to the police?
Reality: Don’t be so naive. Whatdo you when your near and dear are raped? Do you try to save them first hand or do you report to the police?
Dogma: If there are any forcible conversions, the people who were forced should have lodged any complaints. The IPS police has admitted that there are no such complaints(NDTV Special Report on 21Sep 9:30PM). Which automatically infers that the conversions are not forced.
Reality: So naive of you. Do you think everything is solved at the police station. Social tensions deserve a social response. And with the powerful Christian lobby (experts in greasing palms), the poor would not dare to do so.
Dogma: So why are these ppl spreading violence??
Reality: Because the Christians are denigrating Hindu Gods.
Dogma: Coming to the books that were published, the bajrang dal leader himself told that the publisher of the book was unknown (NDTV Special Report on 21Sep 9:30PM). He only said that they obtained it from within the Church.
Reality: THat shows that the authors are cowards.
Dogma: Say tomorrow if a bible is found in a Hindu temple does it mean that hindus have published it??
Reality: We don’t keep Bible in Temples.
Dogma:There are lots of books that object various religions that are found at many book shops.
Reality: But why did New Life Missionaries distribute it to Hindus. To convert, of course.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:13 am
Dear Deepak Kamath,
I have asked you to give a befittng answer for the points published in Satya Darshana. Why are you dragging your feet? Don’t delay much and wait for others. You are equally competent to give answers which will definitely be an eye opener for the people who have already crossed the fence
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:36 am
@ Indian Rock,
I can very well give the answer. But every Hindu knows it.
For further details, you may read my previous posts.
Well, in case you want it, I can give it anytime.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:48 am
Dear Deepak,
Don’t take the things for granted. If people like you backtrack in making strong points known then what is the need of this blog?
I request you once again to give answers , point by point, for the queries made in Sataya Darshini with good proof. I will circulate the same amongst my brothers who have confused view about Hinduism.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:50 am
Here is an interesting read for the naive ones – Churches and Fundamentalism:http://indiaview.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/churches-fundamentalism/
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:16 am
@ India Rocks,
I have already given the reply.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:42 am
http://greathindu.com/2008/09/replies-to-abuses-in-satyadarshini/
See the reply here.
September 22nd, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Mr. Deepak,
This is really a great answers to all those anti Hindu people. Mr. Ajit you are saying about churches being vandalized. What about Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati’s murder? World should not see this is it? Atleast you didn’t see is it?don’t you feel anything about his murder. Are you more concerned about buildings than a person’s life? Not only you Mr. Ajit, whole world, all people should think about it. A person should respect and follow his culture along with that he should respect other religion also. That is called a real good person,
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:43 pm
This is something i wasnt aware about till now. Its shocking and provoking at the same time. I wont say its the religion that matters its the way some people think they can break our country apart by starting religious riots again. I guess all Indians should’ve learnt their lesson since the partition as how religious riots ruined the country’s image forever.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:44 am
@SR
All you guys are innocent and ignorent of whats happening in Orissa. A letter was sent by the maoists clearly claiming that they have killed the Swami for his role in the communal violence in Orissa. Please read the news.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:47 am
@Deepak
Some of my comments that I have previouly posted yesterday are not being displayed… Deepak, face the truth. Pls let people read all my comments..
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:53 am
@ Ajit,
I have never deleted any comment. You may post again if you want.
I don’t believe in censoreship.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:55 am
@ Ajit,
Don’t expect us to be so naive as to believe in every letter that is circulated around. We have proof of Christian complicity in Swamiji’s murder.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:05 am
ALso the site that you have refereed
http://www.christianaggression.com/
is all showing one sided story(Very obvious)
Look Deepak, We Christians dont want to fight. We have no enimity with you guys.
After all we believe there is only one God(God in Trinity) just as you and I have only one father and only one mother.
We are responsible for every soul who does not know about Christ. God will ask an account of us and we as christians are responsible for it.
Its the responsibility of every christian to share the mission of Christ with everyone. Its left to the individual to accept or reject.
We Christians are judged more stringently by God, its there in the Bible. Its more tough for us since we read the laws of the Bible and hence will be accordingly judged.
I think I dint use any harsh words, I am extremely sorry if I hurt any of you guys, though I dint mean to. If I did, God will take a rightful action on me for that.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:13 am
@Deepak
Dude, its again a myth that Swami was Killed by Christians.
Swami openly said in an interview to NDTV that he is against Christians and he will do anything to chase them away.
He has had a hand in spreading communal violence which was a reason that Maoists killed them.
This is the instruction given to us by Jesus in Matthew:5
43″You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you: Love your enemies[i] and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:57 am
So based on the above comment you can understand that in our minds such thoughts of killing cannot Arise for true Christians.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:04 am
The contents of the phamphlet are certianly reprehensible and deserve condemnation. The authors should be identified and dealt with severely.
I think it should not have been difficult to have identified and taken action against them if the groups that took the law into thier hands had reported the matter to the authorities. I think this also should be analysed to understand motives behind the attacks. What has now happened is the agenda of the minority elements has by default become the agenda of the majority.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:27 am
I am surprised that we are still tolerating this kind of disgrace. it is time for another revolution to wipe out these people who are like a disease from our land.
Thank you Deepak for providing the facts.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:41 am
@ Ajit,
I know that Church stands by the classic Jesus line that you should offer the other cheek when slapped.
However, the irony of history is that the followers of non-violent Christ were very much attacking.
If you want to know what Christian terror is, visit the North East, there are militants among the Christians too. Read the NLFT.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:53 am
“it is inded amazing that India can have Hindus who think that they win arguments by denying THE BASIC FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ANYONE IN THIS CASE CHRISTIANS
Is this democracy in india?
my oh my….”
where have you been living all these years?? i don’t think you know that maximum conversions of religions are not voluntary..people are browbeaten into converting..would you call this democracy?? missionaries who landed with colonists killed people..they sought to destroy hinduism…if hindus had denied THE BASIC FREEDOM OF WORSHIP…there would be no christians or muslims in india…use yor brains..open your eyes…if you knew what happened in history..you would not have commented ..people are looking for reasons to kill each other…do not blame it on religion..religion teaches us peace..not violence..
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:07 am
@ Deepak,
Agreed that the ppl who have Christian names are not always Christians. At the same time I wont believe if you say Christians are initiating the attacks, it will only be in retaliation….
If you see Christianity only in those alleged Militants, I can see Hinduism in Bajrang Dal and other groups who are openly claiming like Jihadi’s that they will continue their attacks.
@Concerned
Oh yes my dear friend, you have a right to opt for a Religion hence you are allowed to build Temples in America too… But if we do the same in India, its called unauthorizd prayer halls and forceful conversion… Isnt it??
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:31 am
@Deepak,
One of my comments is not getting posted, guess bcos its a large one, but I tried breaking it up and it still doesnt show up…
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:36 am
FOR UR ANSWER TO AJIT.
I know that Church stands by the classic Jesus line that you should offer the other cheek when slapped.
However, the irony of history is that the followers of non-violent Christ were very much attacking.
i think u must read bible once , because bible has never said what to do if the person slaps at other also.
buddy it is left to us.
in one of ur comments u said to christians-”do u want us to sit quietly when someone comes and rapes our sisters”- then i ask u a question-
do u want us to keep quiet when u people rape our sisters?????????
dont tell others to get ur facts right. first get ur facts right buddy!!!!!!! that so called swami was not killed by christians, u knw the fact but still ignore it. and u call eveything a media hype. for ur info we christians are only 2.1% of population, and if am not wrong 90% are hindus. then why media will support only 2.1% christians???? ask this question to urself u will get answer.
there were so many incidents where bajrangdal in mangalore warned all the press people if they show violence against christians??????if u are so intrested in knowing the truth go and find out man??????
to whom u are addressing christian terror???????
all those militants have base from u hindus!!!! if u had not broken babri masjid, no one would have become terrorist. first try to clean ur own plate then look at the others.
buddy – see the orissa flood how many people are homeless!!!!!its ur sins.
and one of ur comments u said to ajit-
Reality:” That itself shows that your concept of Christian God is very cheap. He is not forgiving and is very revengeful.”
he is merciful and he has said in the bible-” i will protect my people by sending floods, lightening, thunder,etc and those floods are not for revenge that is for saving his own people.
ur next comment said- we dont keep bible in temple!!!!!
buddy ur temples are not fit for bible to be kept there. bible is a holy book. hw can u keep bible infront of ur naked idols???? buddy worship god not idols,statues, stars, animals, reptiles,sun , moon, u give honour to all gods creation,but not god!!!!! hw foolish u people are.
i still feel sorry for all those write comments here. because one person claim to be a reporter write all false stories and rest all believe in it. i dont say that my comments are right. those who want they can find out the truth.
did u read vedas????
try to think – why we and muslims both wait for jesus to come???????? we both follow deffrent religion but wait for one- why??????
buddy did we convert anyone by swords, sticks etc????? if u had seen the news yesturday bajrangdal are converting people with swords and sticks in orissa.
u seems to be fighting for others ,then when ur own people do that u dont have any objection?????
dont call urself a hindu!!! because i knw there are some good hindus.
i want to tell one more thing-
agreed that “satya darshini” booklet should not have published. but did any of u tried to find out?? whatever written in that book is truth. writer was hindu before then he came to christanity. he himself wrote that book.can any of u prove that its wrong??????
what to do the truth always hurts!!!!!
by writting against christians will not do us any harm.we are used to it. because it is written in bible that- “when u talk about me nobody will like it??”
AJIT- HAVE U READ WHAT JESUS SAID-”DO NOT GIVE WHAT IS HOLY TO DOGS,
DO NOT THROW PEARLS AT PIGS”"?(mt 7:6)
its true man- we should not throw pearls at these pigs.lords words are holy.these people will trample those words like a pig.
all u hindu brothers and sisters,even though we have diffrences we love u.thats why jesus said – love ur enimies. we always try to do that.
its difficult for u to understand hw is it possible to love enimies.read bible to understand.thats the diffrence between all other religions and christians.we have been attacked for these reasons not for conversions.
i feel blessed – because all the people in this site have given me an opportuniy to write about christ. obviously no body can write about god without his permission and love.
i ask all of u to write more so that i can give my jesus’ love more and more.
i must thank DEEPAK KAMAT for creating such a wonderful site.
cheers
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:44 am
@Deepak
Surely dude you’ll know some day what you are thinking is wrong…
Here are my replys to all your answers
Myth: Yes, Christians destroyed Roman civilisation. But they could not destroy Hindu civilisation.
Truth:Dear friends, Christians did not destroy the Romans, its the Romans who destroyed themselves. Heard of the “Pride comes before a fall” proverb?? However it was a complicated process.. Google it and find out… And christians have never destroyed the culture and tradition, but infact follow many traditions followed by Indians, for example the Mangal Sutra used during marriage. Where were you when beggers, dalits, widows, orphans pleaded for a place in the society?? And when we help them you say its forceful??? Wow…
Myth: That itself shows that your concept of Christian God is very cheap. He is not forgiving and is very revengeful.
Truth: Dude, you dont understand God. He is Holy and cannot bear sin. He is compassionate and forgiving when a person truly repents.
God does not own a government. He can do all things on his own. God the trinity(Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are one. They have the same thoughts and dont contradict each other. The main purpose of Christ to come and die is clearly mentioned in your Rig Vedas. Read this passage written by ppl who were once Hindus,
http://insearchofpeace.org/3v17issue.htm
http://www.sdaindia.net/jesus_in_hindu_scriptures/jesus-in-hindu-scriptures.html
He becomes very angry when people do not rightfully give the glory to Him since He is the creator of us all. If you go to your father and say he is not your father, what will he do??
http://www.gotquestions.org/jealous-God.html
Myth: So God has franchised forgiveness only to Christians. Read history to know Christian terror.
Truth: Dude, again you have misinterpreted my sentence. God is a Loving God. Forgiveness is not for only Christians. The theif on the cross was not a Christian, but was forgiven immideately when he repented.
39 One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!” 40 But the other(theif) answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 “And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” 43 And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.” Luke 23:39-43
Paul, was a Roman who was persecuting Christians, but God forgave him and Paul was a changed man.
Jesus tells a story about the prodicle son. This shows the Charecter of God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Prodigal_Son
Myth: I maintain that only unauthorised prayer halls were damaged. The rest of it was just ordinary ransack which did not deserve international coverage. The very fact that it was internationalised proves that Christian lobby wields disproportionate power to cry victimhoood. Thousands of Hindu Temples are demolished and there is no international uproar.
Truth: Well if thats your stand, I’d suggest you go and visit all the famous Temples built in the middle of the Roads… Anyways, If the local GOVT isnt helping much, its natural that we would approach anyone else. Thats why organizations like the UN have been founded.
And when you guys can build temples in America, whats wrong if we build Churches in India… If they are unauthorised, did any Police or GOVT official seize those places??
Myth: Don’t be so naive. Whatdo you when your near and dear are raped? Do you try to save them first hand or do you report to the police?
Truth: Oh my dear friend, if a person becomes Christian you are comparing him/her to a person who is raped huh?? Well then, what were you guys doing when Bajrang Dal ppl raped innocent nuns in Orissa??
http://orissaburning.blogspot.com/2008/08/nun-brutally-gang-raped-in-public.html
Myth: So naive of you. Do you think everything is solved at the police station. Social tensions deserve a social response. And with the powerful Christian lobby (experts in greasing palms), the poor would not dare to do so.
Truth: There you have it, you basically want to be violent isnt it?? And you boast Gandhi was born in this Country. Thats where the difference is.
We have protested peacefully whenever we were attacked. Yes, we did retaliate — to save and defend ourselves when even the police is attacking us.
Myth: Because the Christians are denigrating Hindu Gods.
Truth: This is just a projected reason. You guys were waiting for an opportunity to attack. Anyways, there were many movies, books realesed denigrating Christ. Did we follow a violent method of protest then??
Myth: THat shows that the authors are cowards.
Truth: I’ll say, why should we take responsibility of something we dint do??
What if some guy from Bajrang Dal sneaked in and put a copy of the book in the Church??
For the LORD searches all hearts and understands all the intent of the thoughts. 1 Chronicles 28:9 NKJV
Let me tell you Deepak, if ppl are doing wrong(including Christians) they will be judged accordingly, he said it in the Bible
21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Myth: We don’t keep Bible in Temples.
Truth: Dint I start my sentence with a say?? I was just assuming… By the way, I do know some of my Hindu friends who read Bible very much and are still Hindus…!!
Myth: But why did New Life Missionaries distribute it to Hindus. To convert, of course.
Truth: Convert?? Whats this Conversion?? Christ Truly asks us to repent(from our heart) of our sins and ask for forgiveness. He does not ask us to become Christians for name sake. Nobody becomes a christian by name, outside appearance…etc. LORD measures the heart. So if a persons name is Charles or a Peter he not necessarily will goto Heaven. That will be judged by God as per his life on earth.
A true christian is a person who reflects Christ in his life. And I believe most Christian missionaries are doing it by helping the poor, sick and needy. That will be their agenda always.. They dont get anything on the earth by doing so and they dont expect also. Remember, most of them have left their luxurious lives in western countries and came to serve us and we Indians kill them(Graham Stains). They are here to spread the Good news that Christ is risen and He has conquered death. If we believe in Him(no matter who we are/were) and repent of our sins, he gives us life eternal after our physical death.
If this book was distributed to the Hindus, why are only Bajrang Dal activists complainig about it?? Where are the Hindus to whom these books were given?
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:46 am
@above
Dude, I had answered to these comments, but that particular comment is not getting posted… Lets see, may be it might take time…
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:05 am
Thanks deepak for moderating the comment. Pls do shoot any questions/ comments on this, I will definately answer.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:34 am
to Mr Deepak Kamat
I am surprised that you can preach & spread hate, lies and violence through this website of yours. In your eyes, people who resort to killing, raping, maiming are Hindus who are doing good. In this case, they are not responsible but you in the first place. Because it is bloody people like you and politicians of the same breed like you who dare to sow hate in the hearts of the illiterate people who then go and indulge in violence.You are a real motherfucker Mr. Kamath, the real satan. Well I curse you in such a way that you will not live another 30 days in this world, for the blood of the innocents will haunt you and torment you till you lose your sanity. Die, bloody motherfucker die
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:43 am
Mr Kamat
Why the hell are you absuing your freedom of expression?
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:52 am
I am sorry to say, guys. You ppl are not representing the True Christ. Please Please Please be careful with your words.
Just because they may use some words, we cant jump in and do the same… Please guys remember this verse that God says us.
14″You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.
Please for heavens sake, rephrase your sentences…
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:52 am
Please find the reason below why dalits are fed up of Hindu discrimination and how they are killed and expolited by Hindus.Do you care for these miserable , poor dalits, Mr. Kamat? You are the ones who will take advantage of them.
Four sentenced to death for killing Dalit in Barabanki
23 Sep 2008, 1400 hrs IST,PTI
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BARABANKI: A fast track court has sentenced four people to death and awarded life imprisonment to 11 others in connection with the murder of a Dalit.
Additional District and Sessions Judge (fast track court) Anup Kumar Goyal on Monday pronounced the verdict in the 15-year-old case relating to the murder of Chedu, the Dalit who was killed following an old rivalry.
Those awarded capital punishment are Sagar, Nanku, Harinath and Ashok
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:48 am
@ Scorpion,
So you want to divert attention from Christian attacks to caste issues. That is what pseudosecularists usually do when confronted with harsh facts.
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:50 am
@ ALL,
I DON’T BELIEVE IN CENSORESHIP. IN FACT, I HAVE TOLD MY WEB DESIGNERS NOT TO DELETE ANY COMMMENTS — HOWEVER VULGAR AND ANTI-HINDU.
I AM ALL FOR A CHURNING PROCESS. YOU ARE WELCOME TO POST YOUR COMMENTS.
September 23rd, 2008 at 8:20 am
Cum on Deepak, we have seen Vulgar Anti-Christian comments also, by SeaLion who started it all…
Anyways, was good to interact with you guys..
I was actually waiting for your comments on my comment
Hmmm I think Scorpion is not diverting, he is showing the root cause of the problem.
For so many years, these Dalits were not considered to be a part of the society. But when they become Christians after obtaining love and care along with some money from Christians, you have a problem…. Why is that??
The Bajrang Dal destroy so much of property, you dont seem to find a problem with that..
September 23rd, 2008 at 8:45 am
The goondagiri by our bhajrang dal has not strengthened our hinduism but it has made it GOONDAISM. By force or gun point you can never win hearts it is by loving deeds. I donot agree that literature caused so much intolerence. Dear Deepak Kamat, you have a beautiful talent to write. Instead of reasoning the reason for the attacks try to use your pen to highlight sufferng people. If you do what SIMI is doing now to avenge babri masjid destruction and innocent murdering of 3000 muslims what is the difference?. We are the pillars of hinduism. Let us spread love not hatred and win our hindus with our hears not swords.
September 23rd, 2008 at 8:54 am
http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/sangh-parivar-is-destroying-hindu-civilisation/
September 23rd, 2008 at 9:26 am
All this comments are absolutely irellavant and not required when
to-day we have so many burning issues in front of us like terrorisem then why talk of Mythologh which is much more past.
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:22 am
I have seen the headlines on TOI.The attacks on churches becos of “Forced Conversion” .Dear majority Hindu brothers of this country, Do u believe in this statement. How come the minority community can do “”Forced Conversion”"Please answer this.
I agree v shouldnt allow forced conversion,but every citizen of the country has the right change his Reliogion willingly.
BJP Government should take all responsibility of Violance,especially Home Minister of Karnataka, rather than giving statement that there didnt happen any death.What a nonsense statement it was.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 am
How dare you to call pigs who are all writing here? Oh! You are pulling muslims also your side to create more confusions here is it? Ok we worship Idol, I agree, we see god in everything…
How cheap your mentality yar… you can’t respect other religion also? You are saying naked idols…..How dare you to say that bloody…..! Shit man! How cheap your thinking…..we see god in everything sun, moon, animals..so we are fools is it? No use in writing anything regarding for you people…Pls stop.
Nobody know what’s really happening either in Mangalore or in Orissa…Simply throwing stones each other’s religion or culture here…
Please Deepak, Stop this discussion here itself. These people will not understand the Hindus concerns… They want to dominate everywhere. We should be strong enough to fight all these. Hindus should not allow these people, when they come with leaflets or preaching about their religion, that’s it.. My dear brothers and sisters, please wake up atl-east NOW. You wake up.. Teach a good lesson to those who come to us to tell about their religion…
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:05 pm
@ Above,
Let those anti-Hindus come up with more cheap inaccurate allegations regarding Hinduism.
I will answer them all.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:08 pm
For the moment, I will allow other Hindus to do the talking.
In the end, I will answer all the cheap allegations.
I challenge all the anti-Hindus to convince me to desert Hinduism. I am not convinced with their cheap allegations against Hinduism.
Of course, I will answer in the end, when all the barking dogs are finished with their barks.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:14 pm
It really hurts our feelings when these people say pigs, dogs…and abuse our god..like naked one…
Are these people real Christians or converted one? is this the way to behave? does their religion teaches this only? to behave like this very cheaply? Whatever it is…dont want other should speak about us and our god/religion…it hurts a lot to all Hindus…
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:29 pm
@ SR,
In intellectual activities, you cannot afford to be emotional. However, the common man does not understand it. He is bound to attack the Christians whenever Christians abuse Hindu Gods.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:36 pm
That is what hurts a lot here..These Christians doesn’t know anythng about Hindu religion, simply they talk..Atleast they should respect the other religion as a good human.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Read the beautiful site below to know Vedic-Hindu-Indic culture, civilization, heritage, history etc.
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Cheap allegations are made by you guys…
@SR
You see God in everything, but forget to see the real God who created you.
Just try doing that with your father and see how angry he will become. How many fathers can a person have?
There is only one God and when you dont worship Him, you make Him angry by praising something that doesnt deserve praise.
You’ll know it some day.
I believe, before you make false allegations against Christians get a Bible and read it, also read your vedas and see that the central point in both literatures is Christ.
http://insearchofpeace.org/3v17issue.htm
http://www.sdaindia.net/jesus_in_hindu_scriptures/jesus-in-hindu-scriptures.html
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
“Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing” Luke 23:34
This is the Prayer that Christ is doing for all of you at the right hand side of the Father everytime you abuse or make any false allegation against Him.
I pray that He may speak His Word to you guys some day. Please do not Harden your hearts against the true God, who has Died for you as a sacrifice…
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:51 pm
@ SR,
Don’t worry about these cheap anti-Hindu abuses and allegations. I will give it a fitting reply. I have come across such cheap filth before. I know how to deal with it.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:54 pm
@ SR.
Your comment, “It really hurts our feelings when these people say pigs, dogs…and abuse our god..like naked one…”
1. Christians, older or neo-converts, have nothing to offer good. Thats why they have to speak ill of others, to keep their own flocks and to bring some more by deception. This is the age-old practice of a aggressive cult called christianity.
2. It seems core philosophy of Christianity is hate, violence, abuse against others faiths and culture, and intimidate and force others to convert. Not only Hindus, they abuse all others, Jews, Muslims, etc. Even a man called Pope, he openly used derogatory and degrading language against Islam’s Profet Muhammed.
Pope’s word: “Show me just what
Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached”.
The head of the Muslim Brotherhood said the Pope’s remarks “aroused the anger of the whole Islamic world”.
Pope words and how muslims reacted.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5347876.stm
3. What former US President said on christianity.
Thomas Jefferson, the former US President, had mentioned, “Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. …were the Pope, or his allies, to send in mission to us some thousands of Jesuit priests to convert us to their orthodoxy, I suspect that we should deem and treat it as a national aggression on our peace and faith.”
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Well, Bharat has done my job better.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm
@Deepak
You are calling Gods love as cheap??
You were bought with a price, and that price was Christs blood, His sacrifice on the Cross. The very breath that you are beathing is God breathed…
You’ll know it one day..
@SR
You were speaking in your earlier comments about the killing of Swami in Orissa and said that we dont value a life.
Did you know how many people were killed when they just wanted to celebrate Christmas in 2006?? All attacks planned by this swami.
Do you know how many orphan children who had good homes again became orphans?
Did you know kids below 10 years were burnt alive by the VHP ppl??
Did you know how many nuns were raped and killed??
Did you know how many priests were attacked and killed??
Did you know how many people were attacked and killed just because they chose to become Christians??
Did you know how many are forced to re-convert to Hinduism using swords and knives??
Read the truth my dear friend
http://orissaburning.blogspot.com/
Deepak, I’m sorry to say that instead of condeming violence you are supporting it. Not a word from you about the attacks…
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:10 pm
You Indians who boast of Gandhigiri and the Munnabhai movies….
Did you know that all the non-violent methods he chose were an inspiration to him from the Bible???
How can you term the Christian religion as violent??
FYI, I know a person who was once an RSS activist and now a christian. Watch angel TV, Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj was a Hindu temple priest.
None of them were forced… They are all now Christians…
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:41 pm
@Deepak
I advise you to get a Bible and read it before making false statements..
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:20 pm
@ Ajit:
Aggressive fake messages and name shows you are a convert christian. Correct me if I am wrong. What a joke, you talk of non-violence, peace… Does your new found religion teaches them, do you practice them? Why not practice them, the world and India would be a better place to live.
Here is a site for Old Testament, New Testament.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
This site gives Highlights on Old Testament, New Testament.
Highlights from the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/highlights.html
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:42 pm
its an horrible fact.
its asaimed of us.
why cant we burn that book?
September 23rd, 2008 at 9:20 pm
@Bharath
I am not a convert but a staunch Christian right from my forefathers.
You talk that we must practice non-violence, but you can practice violence is it?? Christians Practice Non-Violence and pls get your facts right. Just reading only skeptic and anti-Christian sites will not help you. You need to read the Bible to know whats Peace and Love. What Hinduism teaches is aham Bramham(self) so you guys think you are Gods… Man how many gods can there be??? Heard of the “too many cooks spoil the broth” proverb?? Thats just what is happening in this country. Every other Hindu claims he is god and does not repect others. Thats why this country is not prospering. When good ppl like the missionaries help the poor you guys stop them… You never see Bajrang Dal or other hindu fanatics take care of ppl like the Christians… Christianity is synonymous to service and love… Lots of examples like Mother Theresa are there who do provide service, hence there are most number of orphanages and old age homes run by Christians. You guys have just started these services, that too just to show off…
There are only few dedicated Hindu service institutions…
Did you read the biography of Gandhi. He himself did like the teachings of Christ and he implemented them. Thats what you call Gandhigiri these days….
Dont just read articles or statements made by ppl who never understood God. I think I have posted a comment here before about this that every Christian may not goto heavan. God will judge based on his life on earth. Christianity is not by name or appearance, its the true repentence of ones heart accepting His/her mistakes in life and praying for forgiveness.
The Bible is the only book to be translated in every language.
Its the only book written by diffenent people of different cultures and different places with the same message. The books of the Bible were archeological findings, supporting history. The Bible contains several books in itself obtained from different places, yet had a central or unique Subject. Go read your Vedas, even they tell about Christ. There are many Hindu scholars and priests who became Christians after reading the bible…
@Rahul
My dear friend, I will pray for you. You are thinking of burning the Gods word???
Every true Christian strives to be like Christ and tries to Humble himself. Thats why service and love are so important to us. There may be certain ppl who may not be true christians, but look at the true Christians and know the real God. Today you hindus claim to be the owners of this Land but have a look at how many established service institutions you have. christians have schools, colleges, orphanages, oldage homes, NGO’s all over the country. This itself shows that that Christians want to serve and help. Dear friends pls see the facts, open your eyes, pls dont kill your conscience….
September 24th, 2008 at 12:36 am
@Bharath
Did you read the Bible or just googled around..??
Remember, even the Satan used Bible quotations to tempt Jesus, but failed terribly…
Read the Bible carefully. Let me tell you some facts. Read through these links
http://www.geocities.com/worldview_3/science.html
http://www.geocities.com/worldview_3/prophecy.html
Some events that are happening today were foretold in the Bible
http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/End-Times.htm
http://www.revelations.org.za/
September 24th, 2008 at 1:04 am
Bible says IDOL worshipers are fools. Then, if an idol was destroyed it should not make any difference to the followers of Bible.
But, alas, those who claim Jesus Christ’s wife Mary Magdalena, as PROSTITUTE (Read Dan Brown’s Da Vinci Code or see the movie)can only have to go to Himalayas to find peace.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:07 am
@Bharath
You follow the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible and you dont even understand that all that they have written there is their perception…
September 24th, 2008 at 1:26 am
Hey all this is Varun Khanna from Dallas,Texas.I feel we Hindus are kind of careless about our religion………..ppl come n do watever they like to do with us they do bomb blast in our temples……….they do conversions of poor people from our community in leiu of money …….we need to stop that……n reply them in same aggression……………..
Jai Shri Ram!
September 24th, 2008 at 1:30 am
@Gajanna
It still doesnt make any difference if you destroy idols, but you guys have no business to destroy someone elses property. Buy a Jesus or a Mother Mary idol and destroy it youself…
Read some of my above comments above. Christianity is all about true repentance and a Change from the heart. LORD measures the heart and its intentions.
Mary repented and rejected her old life just like the theif on the cross. Jesus doesnt expect us to be holy from Birth. He knows our weekness and knows that every man will Sin. But he expects us to be humble and accept our shortcomings. He hates people who think they are great and people who call themselves Gods…
Christianity is all about Humility and service which is very much visible in many Christian Missionaries. Christians even today are famous only for their mission works – orphanages, schools, old age homes, NGO’s…etc.
Coming to Dan Brown’s Da Vinci Code, we all know its a fiction and not the truth. If you guys look at it as truth you may well think it as such… But hunt and find out for youself that there are many evidences of Christ’s resurrection. More than 500 witnesses
http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html
You see people all over the world are trying to prove that the Bible is false but are failing miserably.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:39 am
@ Varun
First of all you boast of living in Texas which shows you wanted to live a better life than that in India…
Then you put an new allegation that Christians are putting Bombs in Temples. Dear friend, you need to check the secret locations and factories of Bajrang Dal and VHP where they manufacture Bombs(Proven fact)..
Poor people huh?? You are the people who discriminate poor people. Remember untouchability, Sati, Dowri and all such crap was started by you Hindus only. Now dont act as if you care about the poor people, you sitting in Texas. Its the missionaries who leave their livlihood and luxuries to come and serve among the poor, the same poor Dalits whom you dint give a place in the society. The missionaries serve to such an extent that they even give their life for the cause of the poor.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:41 am
Quite an eye-opener.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:47 am
@ SR
mr. SR u feel bad when we write bad about hindu gods right. for ur info it is started by u guys. specialy MR SEALION.
i dont knw sealion must be hiding somewhere.do u think we would keep quiet if u abuse jesus christ????? the way u feel bad , same way we also feel bad.
@ ajit
dear ajit, its true that people are using bad words,lots of people sound abusive. including me. iam constanly reading these comments since the day they were posted. i tried to make them understand the truth, by telling them the truth, but some people dont understand. brother i feel happy when someone represents christ.
these peole will not understand buddy. thats why i quoted some verses from bible-”do give what is holy to dogs, do not throw pearls at pigs”
whoever got hurt by these words- FYI these are not my words , they are from bible. hw u people called urself as pigs and dogs???? i never mentioned anywere that hindu is a dog or pig- did i ?
these words are for everyone- christian, hindu, muslims.FYI god has no religion.i dont knw wtr ur god has!!! christ do not have any religion. he is love. if u guys cant understand then take it a simple way- religion of christ is love.
the person who does not have love belongs to satan. so dont act like u all belong to satan.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:51 am
@ above
bible verse to be read as
” do not give what is holy to the dogs, do not throw pearls at pigs”
thks
September 24th, 2008 at 3:07 am
Dear Deepak kamat,If you say newlife has done blasphemy of hindu gods’ and godess’ then what are you doing this in this blog? It is a shame that you are hindu. It is nothing but fight for ego in this blog. You cannot become a “great hindu” by announcing it on top of your voice and denouncing other religions when you point out their mistakes.
It is a shame that our religion has fallen into the hands of extremists who are going to finish it off rather than strenghthening it. You cannot conquer a religion by force but by love and caring. BJP is doing this for political gains. i am worried about the silence of the hindu priests who are just watching shame lessly. It is a pity that they cannot stand for what is moral. What are we going to teach our children?. Arrogance anarchy hatred?. Just imagine yoursef Deepak, Do you have the conscience to face your children? Isn’t your ego coming b4 what is moral?. Religion can be twisted to the selfish gains now but if you are a real hindu you wouldn’t do what you have done now.
As far as humanity is concerned we are all one. The actual indians are not us but the dark skinned dravidian people whom we used for our manual jobs. We are from central asia came to india and let us have love towards our dravidians so that they donot go away from us.
September 24th, 2008 at 3:12 am
Good Rayan….
I dint want our actions to make them feel or get a wrong perception of our God…
We know their actions and I dont know which particular God they represent as they are confused.
Actualy you see Rayan, they are innocent and ignorant of the truth. We know Satan and how he can decieve people. His entire charecteristics are given in detail to us in the Bible.
So knowing that, we must be humble and must be able to show Christ’s light in us to the extent possible.
Its their responsibility to accept it or not. Afterall we are all given freewill by God, but tomorrow when we meet our Lord and He asks us our accounts we should be able to give a clear account of such things.
When our Hindu brother is judged we will be held responsible if we dont share Gods word with him today. I just wanted to highlight this aspect that every brother or sister needs to know the word. When their heart knows the truth, believe me they become better Christians than us. Its all the time factor, someday by the events foretold in Revelation some will definately understand that Bible is truth.
Most importantly someday God will speak to their hearts, then they will understand that He is not a foreign God.
Till then we only need to pray for these ignorant people
September 24th, 2008 at 7:58 am
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948) was among India’s most fervent nationalists, fighting for Indian independence from British rule.
He was a Hindu to the core.
He said: ” I am a Hindu because it is Hinduism which makes the world worth living.” (source: Young India 1-12-26).
Mahatma Gandhi called Christian missionaries, “Vendors of Goods”. He said ” In Hindu households, the advent of a missionary has meant the disruption of the family coming in the wake of change of dress, manners, language, food and drink”. “If I had power and could legislate, I should certainly stop all proselytizing”. “I resent the overtures made to Harijans.” “Stop all conversion, it is the deadliest poison that ever sapped the fountain of truth.” Poverty doesn’t justify conversion. He also considered missionaries as “a clear libel on Indian humanity.”
read more here: Politics of Conversion
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Conversion.htm
September 24th, 2008 at 8:21 am
What is this fight all about?. God is great. It is we who are making him small by killing innocent people and attacking innocent human beings all in the name of religion. Just as Bal Thakre ignites maharastrians Deepak Kamat is igniting our Hindu passion. Both of them have power but utilise for destructon of love and worshipping of hatred. It is same technique used by Hitler against non nazis. It is time our intellectuals and our priests rose up to the occasion and save our religion from degradation. To speak the truth we are aryans who have migrated to india from central asia and drove away the actual inhabitants down south and east. We used them to do our least jobs and made caste system according to the jobs and skin colour and looked down upon them and do so even now. We ourselves know how lower caste brothers are treated by us. Let us not make our God small but make our hears big by being nice to otheres. We are here only for a small stay and this hatred will take us away from eeshwar.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:21 am
@Bharath
You are slightly deviating the topic. Its not about missionaries that we were speaking. Its about Christ and that the bible teaches non-violence and peace. Gandhi himself practiced it.
Do you agree with the point??? I want an answer….
Coming to your point above, I have repeatedly told that every person bearing a christian name is not going to heaven. If some so called missionaries are doing anything against the will of God, God will judge, its not our business to judge… Okay??
Buddy, I do condemn every wrong action anyone does. If people are being converted for money its wrong, but there are peaceful means of dealing with the problem. However if ppl do convert for money they are not actually repenting and asking for forgiveness instead are just adding to a count of name sake christians.
If books are published hurting someone’s sentiments I am against it also. Its God to pass on the judgement I have no right to Judge… Okay??
Having said that, I see you all are justifying the attacks of Bajrang Dal on all Christians. I still wont judge them. But do you think killing innocent children and raping nuns is correct?? Again God will judge as he know the intentions behind the attacks….
As for me, my responsibility is to pray for you all, since you havnt seen the real power of God and you are innocent and ignorant of Gods commandments.
Remember, if I pass judgement on anyone I will be more severely punished. My duty is to Pray and pray thats all… Hope you understand what I meant.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Dear Friends,
Since Deepak considers that sin is not part of Hinduism, I guess that’s why certain people can justify violence and desecration of statues, ’cause it doesn’t amount to sin for them.
While the county is plagued with numerous problems like terrorism, we are busy fighting with one another. And the saddest thing is, we are not trying to prove our religion as superior but trying to prove other religion as inferior.
All communities are suffering today due to sangh parivars decisions in the past(babri masjid, godhra). However, I’m happy the Chrisitian community hasn’t acted violently to the attacks. We already have Islamic terrorism and Hindu extremism, I don’t think India can handle any third form of extremism.
I’m sure the Hindu voices echoed here are due to anger as my definition of Hindusim is peace loving and tolerance.
I sincerely hope this enemity between our communities ends ’cause in todays times when the whole world is mixing, we cannot restrict ourselves to hindus, christians or muslims.
Hope you all take my message positively and work towards ending hatred between us.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Christian Terror and Aggression in India.
Example of Christian hatred for Hindus and Hinduism:-
The Hindu world is the most perverted, most monstrous, most implacable, demonic-invaded part of this planet. There is just no question about it… The greatest, biggest, blackest, most hopeless mass of confusion, perversion, deception is the massive Hindu bloc…The perversion of Satan in this part of the world is just absolutely legendary” Ralph Winter, Mission Frontiers Bulletin November-December 1994 : 16-18
Read the site to see more.
http://christianwatchindia.wordpress.com/
September 24th, 2008 at 10:52 am
@Bharath
Hey you keep complaining about Christians?? Are you reading my comments, I asked you something
Your comments show how much hatered you have on christians. You are googling and trying to get every bit of rumour….
September 24th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Dear kamat,
recently one of my freinds cast has been included in Scheduled Cast and he has already started feeling that his upperclass friends may have a indifferent attitute towards him. Why can’t we abolish whole cast system and unite under one community “Amritasya Putraha”
September 24th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Vedas Foretell About the Sacrifice of Christ
Taken from Balidan tract
Author -Anubhavanand Keshav Ray Sharma Mandapaka
All have sinned disobeying the law of God. So they try to find different ways in order to escape from the wrath of God. In our country (India) some make offerings to Brahmins, and others sacrifice animals.
Vedas declare sacrifice as the only way for salvation. “Dharmani prathamani” it means that sacrifice is most important of all our duties.
“Yagyo vay bhuvanasya nabhih” – Sacrifice is the base of the world.
“Yagye sarvam pratishtitham” – Through sacrifice all things can be obtained.
“Yagyo vay sutram nouh” – Sacrifice is a boat by which life can be driven smoothly.
“Yagyem va deva divangatah” – gods got to heaven only through sacrifice.
“Ritasya nah pathinay ati vishvani durita” – get saved through sacrifice.
“These theories which are declared in Vedas show that sacrifice should get the highest place in all the penance and it should be done for the remission of sins.
Come let us see what the message of BhagvatGeeta’s is:
“Sah-yagyah prajah srushtva purovach prajapathih Annen pravishyadhvamesh vo s sitvasht kamdhuk”
It means:
When God made man in the beginning, He did sacrifice and He said, “by this your heart’s desire may be full.”
“Yagya shapith kalmashah” – Those whose sins are washed by sacrifice.
“Nayam loko-sthya yagyasyakutho-nyah kurusatham” – O, holy guru when those who did not sacrifice a single time has no place in this world, then how can he get to heaven?
The importance of sacrifice has been shown in this way. We see in Madakopnishad, “Plava hyeth adhrada yagya rupah” – The timber of sacrifice-boat would be silent.
In the 7th chapter of yagya vaibhav khand in Skandha Puran we can read like this:-
“Plava hyete sura yagya adrudashch na shamsayah” -O gods, The timber of sacrifice – boat is undoubtedly silent.
Tandya mahabrahmin says, “Yagyo va avati tasya chaya criyate”- Only sacrifice can give deliverance, whatever is done is only a shadow of sacrifice.
In Rig -Veda we read, “Atmada balda yasyachaya-mrutam… yasya mrityuh” – whose shadow and death became life (Amrit – or immortality), by his shadow and death He will give soul and strength.
All these above writings clearly states that sacrifice itself never brings deliverance but they are only the shadow of sacrifice which brings great deliverance. Ethray brahmin says, “Yagyamanah pashu yagyamanmev swarga lokam gaymati” – “He Who donates animal for sacrifice, does the sacrifice and goes to heaven.”
Shathpath brahmin says, “Prajapathi yagyah” – God Himself is sacrifice.
In tandya mahabrahmin of Sam-Veda, it says, “Prajapathi devemya atmanam yagyam drutva praikshat” – God will offer give Himself as sacrifice and receive the repentance of sins.
Shathpath brahmin says, “Tasya prajapathirdharmev martyamasidharth marutham” -God became half mortal and half immortal. It means He became man and heavenly the mixture of both.
Purushsukta says, “sacrifice of Brahmadev is done.
All these teachings clearly indicates that the master of this creation himself will perform a true and great saving sacrifice. He would become both mortal and immortal and anointed God – man and by becoming the sacrificial animal, He would give Himself for the deliverance of the sins of mankind.
Rig-Veda gives the following facts regarding the sacrificial animal:
1. It should be a lamb without blemish.
2. Around his head ‘Bulusu’ bush should be placed.
3. It should be on the altar of sacrifice.
4. Its four legs should be nailed in such a way that until they bleed.
5. The cloth which covers the lamb should be distributed in four parts.
6. No bones should be broken
7. Gal should be given for the drink of the lamb.
8. After it is sacrificed, it should come back to life again.
9. Its flesh should be eaten.
From this we can come to the conclusion that the anointed Lamb of God who gave Himself for sacrifice and died for us, complied with all these descriptions.
It can be said that God took the form of a man first and then to save the sinners He gave Himself to be sacrificed. In our country we never read about this type of anointed one in our scriptures. No one who is God’s anointed ever had this type of sacrificial death for the redemption of sinners. But in the meditarian seashore of western Asia there is a country called Palestine that is situated in the midst of dense population of the world. In this country an anointed son was born to a holy virgin in whom all these above written qualities were complete. He was completely innocent and blameless. He lived a holy and pure life. He was both mortal and immortal means both man and God. From the beginning itself He prophesied about His sacrificial death for the deliverance of mankind and victorious resurrection from the death. He delivered Himself to those evil people who not only loved sin and sinful ways of this world but also wanted to kill Him.
If we see about His death, we can see that as the Rig-Veda describes the qualities of the sacrificial lamb they are exactly fulfilled in this anointed person as explained below:
1. It should be a blameless lamb – He was a blameless (or without sin) God – man.
2. Around his head ‘Bulusu’ bush should be placed – A crown of thorn was put on His head.
3. It should be on the altar of sacrifice – He was laid on the Cross.
4. Its four legs should be nailed in such a way that until they bleed – His hands and legs were nailed.
5. The cloth which covers the lamb should be distributed in four parts – Those who crucified Him distributed His cloths by themselves.
6. No bones should be broken – None of His bones were broken.
7. Gal-juice should be given for the drink of the lamb – He was given vinegar for drink.
8. After it is sacrificed, it should come back to life again- He rose up from the dead on the third day.
9. flesh of it must be eaten- Before His death, He said to his disciples that they should eat His flesh and drink His blood, which was sacrificed for the salvation of the world; and for the remembrance of His death take bread and grape juice and for this He started a holy ritual which is still being performed.
In this anointed person, the sacrifice of repentance which can save sinners, is completed. All these things clearly states that this is the anointed one of God through whom sinners can get salvation of their souls. This anointed one is none other than JESUS.
Purushsukt says, “Nanya panthah vidhyatey nyayah” – Even by the thousands of good works you can not get to heaven, except through Brahmdev who gave Himself as sacrifice,.”
So there is none other than “JESUS” who can save you from your sins.
http://insearchofpeace.org/3v17issue.htm
September 24th, 2008 at 11:09 am
JESUS CHRIST IN HINDU SCRIPTURES
BY
Dr. N. Sharath Babu, M. A., M. Phil., D. Min
God is the father of all the human beings. Some human beings may not know him as their own father. Since God is the creator, he is the father of all.
Bible presents clearly that God is love (1 John 4:8). He loves with an everlasting love (Jer 31:3). “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” (John 3:16). The loving God does not want any one to perish. So he revealed himself in various ways including as the incarnate God called Jesus Christ (Heb 1:1, 2). Since God does not want anyone to be lost, he lightens every human being who is born into this world (John 1:9). So the loving God has graciously revealed himself through the Hindu scriptures in order that the teeming millions of Hindus may not be lost in the total darkness of sin. It is so amazing to see the Hindu scriptures bear witness to Jesus Christ by name and his vicarious death. I have gleaned the following scriptural references from Hindu scripture books about Christ. These Hindu scriptural passages show clearly that Christ was born to a virgin, is holy and blameless, he suffered and died, and redeemed the sinners by shedding his holy blood.
All the Hindu scriptures which are referred are written in Sanskrit language and the Vedas quoted here are written between 2000 and 1500 B.C. The Upanishads are written between 10th century and 2nd century B.C.
References to the Birth of Christ
The following quotations speak clearly about Jesus Christ. The second quotation even mentions the name of Jesus.
After creating the sky, waters, and the earth, the supreme spirit of the Lord almighty thought “I created the worlds. Now to provide for and to save these worlds I have to create a savior.” Thinking thus He gave birth to a man from himself. (Ithareya Upanishad 1.1.3)
The Puranas explain the Vedic truths in the form of stories. The Bhavishya Purana1 is the ninth in this set of eighteen sacred books. Its third part is entitled Bharath khand, and the second chapter in the third part is entitled Pratisarg. This chapter has thirty-four verses that clearly tell the story of Jesus Christ and His incarnation. The following verses show the main parts.
Verse 31:
Yeesh moorti parapta nitya shuddha shivakari:
Yeesha masih itticha mam nama prathishtatham
Translation:
The revelation of God who is eternal, Holy, Compassionate and giver of salvation; who dwells within our heart is manifested. His name is yeesha Masih [Jesus Christ].
Speaking of this Savior and God incarnate, the sages call Him Purusha shubham (blameless and Holy person), Balwaan raja gaurang shweta vastrakam (sovereign king in a holy person robed in white) Yeesh putra (Son of God ), Kumari garbha sambhavam (one who is born of a virgin), and Satya Varatha Paraayanam (one who is the sustainer of the path of truth).
Rigveda, the first scripture, also presents Christ without mentioning His name, but referring to Him as the Word who is God.
This man is all that has been, all that is and all that has to be. He controls the eternal life and it is for the redemption of mankind. He surpasses His immortal sphere and descends to the mortal sphere. He comes to give every one reward as per their deeds.
Venerable words from the Vedic scriptures affirm:
“The word is the indestructible God.” (Brhadaranyaka Upanishad 4:1, 2).
The Supreme Leader who is the cause and governor of all creation who to protect and save sinful mankind, Himself appeared upon the earth wrapped in a body that is Holy and without sin. (Rigveda 10.125)
References to the Suffering and Death of Christ
Christ underwent immeasurable physical and mental pain when he was crucified. The Hindu scriptures highlight his physical suffering. Some of these statements seems to refer to Christ because there was no Hindu god or goddess who bore such suffering on behalf of sinners.
The crown of thorns was placed on his head: “The sacrificial victim is to be crowned with a crown made of thorny vines” (Rigveda 10.90.7, 15).
His clothes were divided among those who offered him. “After death, His clothes are to be divided among the offerors” (Ithareya Brahmanam).
The person tied to a wooden cross: “His hands and legs are to be bound to a yoopa (a wooden pole) causing blood shed” (Brhadaranyaka Upanishad, 3.9.28).
While the victim was at his greatest agony on the cross, he was given a herbal drink which had an intoxicating effect: “Before death, He should be given a drink of somarasa” [an intoxicating herbal juice] (Yajur Veda 31).
Though the victim was hung on the wooden cross, none of his bones were broken: “None of His bones be broken” (Ithareya Brahmanam 2.6).
The Hindu scriptures point to the efficacy of the blood of Jesus Christ which cleanses from sin.
If you want to be delivered from the sin which you commit through eyes, mouth, ears and mind, bloodshed is necessary. Without shedding the blood, there is no remission for sin. That must be the blood of the Holy one. God is our creator. He is our King. When we were perishing, He came to save us by offering even his own body on our behalf. (Maha Brahmanam 4.15)
God is the ruler of people. He will offer His body as a sacrifice, for His people; for the remission of their sins (Sama veda, part 2, Thandiya Maha Brahmanam).
These statements clearly describe the suffering and the death of Christ. No one else qualifies. These Hindu scriptural references will be a great help to present Jesus to the orthodox Hindus. As a second step Jesus can be presented as the true incarnated God, meeting their full expectations by using Hindu scriptures themselves. ma
These scattered but clear-cut references to Christ led some Hindu seekers of the truth to the Bible and Christ. Such people have openly embraced Christianity through baptism and witnessing marvelously for Christ.
1Bhavishya purana is one of the eighteen puranans. Bhavishya means future. It contains a number of future events, including the information about the virgin birth of Christ and his name. It is the only scripture book which contains the name of Jesus. See Krishna Dwaipuayana Vyasa, Bhavishya Purana (Mumbai: Kemraj Shrikrishnadas, 1959).
http://www.sdaindia.net/jesus_in_hindu_scriptures/jesus-in-hindu-scriptures.html
September 24th, 2008 at 11:13 am
@mala kamat:
You wrote, “Dear Deepak kamat,… It is a shame that you are hindu.”
Wow, mala. We think, you are really a proud Hindu. I bow my head before you! Sata-sahasra Pranam!
Now my few questions:
1. How proud are you as a Hindu, when people like you can’t speak out for suffering Hindus of Kashmir, Asom, NE India, Kerala, all across the nation, and in Bangladesh, Pakistan, Malaysia, etc?
2. How proud are you as a Hindu, to see a 84 years old Swamiji was brutally killed by the christian missioanry terrorists along with his 5 deciples (including women) during Janmastami night? Swamiji was working for the society his whole life, without looking personal rewards and enjoyment in life.
3. How proud are you as a Hindu, when 59 Hindu pilgrims (comprising childrens, womens, old people) returning home were roasted like chickens inside a train couch in Godhara, by the 2000 strong Islamist Jihadi mobs? Did you cry for these victims? Did you ever imagined, how the families of these 59 victims experiencing life? Its not important, they are Hindus. Hindus are born to suffer, its not something unusual.
4. How proud you are as a Hindu, when a central UPA govt unofficially headed by a Roman Catholic christian Antonia Maino alias Sonia Gandhi, submitted affidavit to the Supreme Court declaring Sri Ram does not exist and Ramayan is a fiction? They withdraw the affidavit due to fear of loss of Hindu votes, not hindu concern. Did the Govt apologise to Hindus, for hurting their sentiments? No. Did you speak out against this insult and humiliation, mala? Can UPA govt file similar affidavits in SC declaring Muhammed/Jesus does not exists and Koran/Bible are fictions?
5. How proud you are as a Hindu, when UPA govt revoked a small piece of land (merely 40 acres barren land) temporarily given to Hindu pilgrims purposes in Kashmir, just to please seperatists who unfurl Pakistani flags on Indian soil? And those Jammuites cry for justice with Indian flag at hands, were decorated with bullets. Surely, these Hindus deserved bullets. They must know, they have no religious rights in India. You might be enjoying the bullets on Jammuite Hindus, is not it mala?
6.. How proud are you as a Hindu, to see christian religious symbol Cross is printed in Rupee Two Coins? Are there any Hindu religious symbols printed on coins ever? Oh, its not possible to print Hindu religious symbols, it is unsecular. Ours is a secular nation. I see. Printing christian religious symbols is secular, is not it, mala?.
7. How proud are you as a Hindu, to see muslims were given hundreds of crores rupees as Haj subsidies (from our tax-money) to go for haj pilgrims to Mecca? And recently AP govt started christian Haj subsidy. Why our tax-money for someone’s pilgrims? Why not Hindu pilgrim Subsidy? Is it crime to be a Hindu and majority commintiy? Surely, yes. In a secular democracy, only minorities need to be protected and specially cared. Hindus, keep mouth shut. Never utter a word saying you are a Hindu. Saying Hindu itself a fundamentalism, extremism. Hindus must practice to bow before minorities to show TRUE secularism and communal harmony.
There is a saying in Samskrit, Veer Bhugya Vasundhara (the World only enjoyed by the braves).
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PS. “We are from central asia came to india and let us have love towards our dravidians so that they donot go away from us.”
Your ignorance is your best gift. Read some good books on Sanatan Dharma (Hindu Dhamra) and Bharat by Swami Vivekananda, Sri Aurobindo, and others. May be this site canhelp you: http://www.hinduwisdom.info/
September 24th, 2008 at 11:20 am
You can also read about this man – Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj
http://www.christian-faith.com/forjesus/sadhu-sundar-selvaraj
September 24th, 2008 at 11:25 am
very strange, Bharath is shooting questions at others and expects answers, when he himself doesnt answer others questions
September 24th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
BJP govt should deal with this situation very sternly.If Churches are built illegally, they should be demolished.If some Christian organisation has published blasphemy,that organisation should be banned.No need to be apologetic, while dealing with minorities.They don’t vote for you !!Besides every other political outfit is ready to pander to every whims of minorities.So be really a party with a difference.BJP however needs to reassure ordinary law abiding members of minority community that their rights will be protected at all costs, even if you don’t vote for us.
BJP also needs to come out with clear manifesto for next Lok Sabha elections, promising to ban all conversions, and giving marching orders to all foreign missioneries.
September 24th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
@ajit
and rest
i appreciate ur efforts.i had some contents from vedas, i had mentioned in my earlier blogs . iasked mr. kamat to read vedas.i was not getting enough time to type the content i had. u did it!! may god bless u ,for u r not talking about any common man, but about christ. he will have great reward for u.
dear hindu brothers and sisters. we are not against u.nobodu likes to abuse one another.its only a reaction of what we heard ,and what has been told to us.
bible clearly tells us that jesus is the only saviour, and only through him we can have eternal life.same thing is written in quoran, and in ur vedas too. no body has converted anybody.as i mentioned in my earlier blogs go to mangalore and visit those orphanages and old age centres, or ask any of ur friends to do that,and find out hw many hindus are there.nobody has been converted. our mission is not conversion, we just want to share the love of christ with u all.we can not force on anyone. but as ajit rightly said if we dont share christ with those who do not know about him ,one day we have to answerable to god.
we can not stop anyone from coming to the church.when bajrangdal saw some of ur brother and sisters coming to church, they thought they were converted.thats not the truth.
its difficult for us to make u understand,about love of christ, u need to read bible.
i work on a ship as an officer. and in my 10 years of sealife i have noticed one thing- 80% seafareres carry bible,hindus and muslims too. when i ask them i get one answer- the peace we get by reading bible ,is uncomparable to money.some say bible stops me from commiting sin.when there are problems in our families we read bible for an answer.when there is storm at sea we open bible ,the words give us courage.
these are the some feeling of seafareres.
one day one of my crew asked me,sir what is the meaning of bible????
i did not have any answer, but i knew one thing jesus will give me an answer.he said-
BIBLE
B- BASIC
I- INSTRUCTIONS
B- BEFORE
L- LIVING
ON
E- EARTH
this is what the answer i got. it is not the actual meaning.but that is the way our jesus christ talks to us.
can any of u tell me ,why 70% of the worlds population follow jesus???? did he force anybody??? do u all want to say everybody was forced to follow christ?????? why till date bible is the largest selling book every year?????? and it brakes the record of the previous year.
dont tell me that because 70% of the population follows christ. FYI, if one buys bible he will never throw it, and deffinately no body would like to make library for exhibition.
friends , every day thousands of people all over the earth experience christ, when they experience it , they want to share with others.some dont like it. do not think that only hindus dont like it,there are lots of name sake christians. by just going to the church, or attending prayer dosent make u a christian.
thats why jesus said-”not everyone who calls me LORD, will enter the kingdom of god”(mathew 07:21)
so brothers dont follow christanity but follow christ.
as in every family there are good or bad people,in christanity also there are good and bad people. christanity is a family who follow christ.
follow christ the head of the family who is always right and cannot do any wrong. being a christian does not mean that everyone is good.
i must say that not every hindu who has been writting in these blogs has ill feeling towards christians.u abused christ because of ur anger,because some people misguided u. may jesus christ forgive u all.because he judge people not on ur physical apprearance but on the basis of purity of ur heart. so let us try to make our hearts pure and forget our hatred,take what is right and leave what is wrong.then only we all can experience gods love.
GOD IS LOVE- its only in bible where god said “I LOVE U ” 366 times. he has kept the record of that one day of february which has 29 days once in 4 years.just imagine how much he loves us.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
@Jitendra Desai
I am really astonished that you guys speak about forceful conversions, when someone helps a poor person with money…
But you guys dont speak about forceful reconversions that are being done by VHP, Barang Dal who are terrorising and threatening people with arms like swords, bows and arrows..etc.. Know the reality, who is forcing the people huh??
September 25th, 2008 at 3:11 am
@ bharath,
Thank you for your views. But your sarcasm woul’nt alter what i belive.
To tell you frankly I am a Hindu and I am proud to be so. I have asked Deepak Kamat to look with in himself as if you keep hatred in your heart you can not reach God.
I would like to answer you with my limited knowledge.
You said that i am a proud hindu when attrocities committed against hindus in kerala asam malasia kashmir. Well when i am hurt i wont become proud. I become proud when inspite of being suffering the people of those places donot leave hinduism for the torture they are subjected to.
As far killing of orissa priest should be subjected to cbi enquiry. It is sad indeed. The maoists have claimed the killing thrice. but for political gains Bhajrangdal ignited passions of hindus against innocent christaians due to their proximity to dalits. They are the soft targets because if they attacked naxals or maoists their life would end.The very person who claimed that christians were converting by force himself was reconverting them with force and death threats.
To save Hinduism from becoming GOONDAISM right minded hindu priests should come forward and say what is wrong is wrong and spread love in the place of hatred.
September 25th, 2008 at 4:48 am
Mala Kamath,
People like you seem to be the only Hindus left here. Most of the rest are ignorant goons with inferiority complex in search of something to fill their egos, by abusing the name of Hinduism. They belong more to the Zakir Naik followers or Guru worshipers than Hinduism proper.
We see here many people abusing Christianity and Islam by selectively pointing out only the faults. Both Christianity and Islam have many more positives when compared to their faults. Just like Hindu culture contributed in ancient History, Christian and Islamic cultures have contributed significantly over the past 1000/1500 years for the good of the world (they have done lots of damage as well).
If the Sangh Parivar variety of Hinduism becomes dominant, Hinduism will end up having the image that Islam has today. I being a Hindu don’t want that to happen.
Deepak Kamath,
On one side you say the Sangh Parivar and Bajrang Dal are innocent and has nothing to do with the violence (the facts remains something else).
On the other side you are saying that only some illegal prayer halls were attacked and nobody was killed and thereby justify the violence. This indirectly points to the fact that the violence was planned by Sangh Parivar outfits. If not you wouldn’t have taken the pain to justify the violence.
You are doing well in deceiving fools around here. Organization like RSS are trying to deal with many real problems and they sometimes do many good things as well. But do you know the reason why most of the Indian media and public (including a large majority of Hindus) are allergic towards Sangh Parivar outfits? The answer is that you people tend to mixup lot of lies among a little truth. You are continuing the same thing here.
We don’t need Sangh Parivar to defend Hinduism. Abuse of Hindu Gods through pamphlets should be dealt using the law of the land, and not by showing goondaism.
September 25th, 2008 at 5:55 am
This is the problem of Hindus. We fought among ourselves to come to any conclusion. Why???? Due to this problem only Moghuls and Britishers invaded our nation and made our holy nation into the current state of turmoil. When the Prophet Mohammad’s scriptures were shown as cartoons in Denmark the whole muslim world joined hands, if the protestors are right or wrong but remained united. Whereas, when our Hindu scriptures are abused, some say be calm, let the swamijis speak, shows your ego etc. WHICH SHOWS THEIR INABILITIES. Come on Hindus, let us fight for our place, enough of being tolerant. We have to show the world that all children are born as Hindus, then only they get christened in church and mosque, whereas we dont have such criteria to christen in our holy places. OUR RELIGION AND BELIEF IS NUMBER ONE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. NOBODY CAN HARM OR DENIGRADE US.
September 25th, 2008 at 6:40 am
All these religions who are hardly 1500 years and 2000 years old commenting about the sacred sanatana dharma (so called hindu religion) which has been prevailing since time immemorial. All their books are the manipulated copies. They do not have any “original” philosophy but for degrading others for the heck of proving their superiority…it is very difficult to understand the dept of veda just by discussing or debating…bottom line is that keep your religion within your four walls and do not sling mud on others dear christian brothers….for your survival (do not forget that your forefathers were Hindus only)
-Ganesh, Dubai.
September 25th, 2008 at 6:44 am
Dear ardent hindu,
There is no need to have a violent fight to save Hinduism. If 600 years of Islamic rule and 200 years of British rule hasn’t succeeded in eliminating Hindus, there is no need of a violent struggle now.
There is only one way in which Hinduism will be destroyed, from inside. i.e. when self appointed defenders of Hinduism make it more like Taliban.
Deliberately or not, many Sangh Parivar outfits are doing that. If it goes to an extreme, we will soon find a day when the rest of the world views Hindus with contempt. In the Western countries, this is happening to Muslims and Islam today. The same people who bragged about their Jihad and distributed sweets on 9/11 are inventing lies today to prove they are innocent of 9/11.
Similarly, we can boast about our pride and commit atrocities in the name of our Religion. But one day we will have to be ashamed of it. The Gujarat riots is one example. How many Hindus can be proud of the atrocities in Gujarat done in the name of our Religion?
If the missionaries or Islamic organizations are doing something wrong we should deal with it in our courts, and not on the streets.
To fight the criminal, we don’t have to become criminals ourselves.
September 25th, 2008 at 6:48 am
Dear Ganesh,
There is no way you can prove that Hinduism is something great whereas Islam and Christianity are something stupid. Every religion has its own good and bad aspects. Going by pure logic all religions and their holy books are false (in the sense that all are created by humans and not by God or Gods).
Its better not to claim our religion is better or greater than another.
September 25th, 2008 at 7:24 am
Dear All
such hatered in words. where are we all heading to. each of us have life, family and purpose to meet.
guys we have bills to pay for our home,for our childrens education, for our elders health… thank god who ever that you want to .. we do not have a melt down like in western world where people are losing the homes, their hard earned saving.. being left with nothing. thank which ever god each of deem best, that we have a pds system that will give you some food unlike in africa a morsel cannot be even found, our family have some security and not having to live in caves and face war every day like in other countries.
where do you think all this destruction will lead to ? what does it matter who we pray to, who we follow. Lets us thank the almighty power for what ever we are today, what ever little we have today for us and our family. the time and energy that we have spent trying to justify each other beliefs and accuse each other, lets spent it counting our blessing
its unfortunate that some miscreants who have no purpose, no objective have led to this catastrophe. time, live losts is not replaceable.
religion is just a means to an end. strength does not come from the largeness. nothing cannot be larger than being humans. how much would it make a difference to the quantum of air one breaths if i were a hindu, muslim or a christian. how different does the flood, the famine, the hunger deaths, the pollution, the dengues of the world, affect a christian or a hindu or a muslim. The suffering is all the same. What should we do to alleviate this . How can we make the drains around our home not stink, who should we pray to help every aspiring youth seeking to find a way to protect his family find a rooting…
lets look at opportunities of life. lets pray to all gods to allivate our suffering. it hardly matters. what matters is the loss of joyous moments in life.
please do not get dragged into it. is hard to replace what ever we lose.
god bless all of us..
September 25th, 2008 at 7:32 am
Dear Rajiv,
I agree with your views in toto. We dont need goons to save our religion. Century rules of mughals nor of british has wiped us away. We still are hindus not because of these radicals and we have to save our generation from so called “savers” of hinduism to finish up hinduism forever.
September 25th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Religion is the opium of the people. It is very easy to ignite people and bhajrangdal has been doing so. I have read Dr.V. K acharya’s blog which claims the christian youth took law into their hands and that is why the police caned them which isn’t true. his photos are manipulative. though they are just 2% of india’s total population christians work in social service and education is remarkable. i myself is a product of such high moral standard and i am produd that i studied in catholic institute but i have not given up my hinduism as bhajrang dal falsely propagate. just see the other side of the story and you will know how much extent has our home minister has gone to save bhajrangdal.
http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=51289&n_tit=Mangalore%3A%20Girija%20Vyas%20Brings%20Police%20Brutality%20to%20the%20Light
It is a pity that we are silent spectators for this injustice. I am surprised why not even a single hindu priest has come forward to condemn this. Have we lost our morality?.
Instead of arguing that our religion is supreme we shall follow the path of love not hatred as preached by deepak kamat, dr. v.s acharya and bhajrang dal. let us free our great hinduism from these fanatics and save our morals to our children.
September 25th, 2008 at 8:23 am
mala & sangeetha,
Good to see some sensible Hindus here.
We all are proud of our culture, Indianess and religion. In the pictures in the links you posted I don’t see anything to be proud. Is this the proper way to defend our culture? If this is our culture, its worth not defending. Mr. Kamath and party are trying to justify these things by giving some silly excuses.
Hinduism as a religion or culture is not something that will vanish due to a bunch of missionaries or Islamic fanatics. At the same time Hinduism is not something faultless and Christianity and Islam something barbaric.
We should remain as Hindus and go forward correcting our mistakes. At the same time we will should not let some goons to forward their vested political interests in the name of our religion.
Why the cry over conversion when almost every Hindu Swami & Guru are flooding USA to find disciples among rich whites? What about ISKCON? Sometimes I wonder why not even a single Swami or Guru don’t go to African jungles to teach them Enlightenment!
The solution to the mistakes done by missionaries or Islamic fanatics should be within the limits of the law. Once you take the law into your hands you are a goon & barbarian, it doesn’t make a difference if you wear a tilak and shout Jai Sriram when commiting the atrocities.
September 25th, 2008 at 8:25 am
149 comments thats lot of time spent on what ???
has it made an iota of difference to any of our lives and those who suffered out there,,,
buddies lets pray together for peace all around, for this country to do well, lets take care of our home so that we can grow to take care of other needy ones around..
September 25th, 2008 at 9:49 am
its sad that such things are/were published. i can confirm to you Catholics dont engage in such low-grade activities. If its true then it must be a fundamentalist group who may belong to some Christian Denomination. Plus, if this is true the organizations that found this out ( BD/VHP) should have lodged a police complaint and filed a case against whoever published this book. As of now, they haven’t even identified who/which group has publised such a material.
September 25th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
@ Ajit,
You have said, “you need to check the secret locations and factories of Bajrang Dal and VHP where they manufacture Bombs(Proven fact)” Who has proved this fact..do you have any proof with you????
On your statement “I am really astonished that you guys speak about forceful conversions, when someone helps a poor person with money…” — If Christians really wants help poor person only..Help no matter.. but why you want to convert them to your religion? If there is no benefit (Converting) is there, then no help! Isn’t it?
@ Rayan,
You have said that we started all these… abusing…
Why we should simply start all these man…just go back and c who has started abusing?? Who printed abusive words about Hindu god in books and distributed????
@ an ardent hindu:
This is definitely true.. Why Hindus should fight among ourselves only. We are not confident ourselves itself…
At the end of this I would like to mention, “Hindu brothers and sisters, be united. Don’t be like 60years ago how our ancesters were.. Because of that only we had to lose our everything. And became slave to outsiders. Wake up! At least NOW”
September 25th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
@SR
Buddy, I feel sorry for you. You are ignorant of so many things
Read this
http://www.yahind.com/news/directory.php?id=1741
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1191465
Coming to your next answer, there has been no complaint from any person who chose to become a Christian, because Christianity is not by force but by true repentance of heart.
The only people I find who are complaining are the politicians who are putting fuel on fire, thats all.. They are raging people against Christians…
September 26th, 2008 at 1:07 am
Nice dogmas from Pseudo Hindus and Christian apologists.
I will answer when the time is right. Meanwhile, continue with your ignorance.
September 26th, 2008 at 1:18 am
@ Deepak…
You are hardening your heart more and more….
You are speaking against your conscience….
Anyways, its your freewill to opt what you want…
God be with you…
September 26th, 2008 at 1:42 am
@ Ajit,
God has not franchised divinity to Christians.
September 26th, 2008 at 2:11 am
@ deepak
I never said that.. Only you are telling that…
God wants man to repent of his wrong doings and he should ask for forgiveness to Christ…
Only God’s grace will save people…
He does not look at the person’s outward apperarance or his family background.
He looks at the heart and the intentions of the heart…
Thats why I have been repeatedly telling that a person with a christian name need not neccessarily go to heaven.. Its for God to Judge based on a persons life on earth..
September 26th, 2008 at 3:14 am
Mr Deepak Kamat is not a fool. he is an intelligent person and a good actor. Not just a good actor but a good script writer. He has hardened his heart on purpose. It is not that he doesnot know what is truth. He is using his might for dividing the mangaloreans and pushing for his vested interests.
Conscience is God and one who doesnot listen to conscience is a bluff. People please wake up from this fallacy before it is too late. We are not ready to work among the most poor sick down trodden and helpless people. But those who do the selfless service are killed by these so called saviors of hinduism.
These cheap people should be tried by the state but sadly the government itself to belong to such people that justice is denied to the suffering and protection is given to culprits. Please save our hinduism from these goondas and help us leave peacefully and be proud of our hindu culture.
September 26th, 2008 at 5:01 am
The Ajit dogma: God wants man to repent of his wrong doings and he should ask for forgiveness to Christ…
My Reply: Since when did God franchise Dept. of Forgiveness to Christ.
@ Sangeetha Shenoy (if you do exist),
Why is your condemnatory attitude restricted to Hindus only and not to the missionaries who abuse Hindu faith.
September 26th, 2008 at 5:34 am
@ deepak
Yes, CHRIST is the only way to salvation… He dint do magic to obtain such status, but He had to suffer…
Did you read my comments from vedas??
If not read them now please
http://insearchofpeace.org/3v17issue.htm
http://www.sdaindia.net/jesus_in_hindu_scriptures/jesus-in-hindu-scriptures.html
September 26th, 2008 at 5:38 am
@Deepak
I sent a comment with some links I think it needs to be moderated
September 26th, 2008 at 6:04 am
@ Ajit,
You send it again. I don’t think there will be a problem.
September 26th, 2008 at 6:09 am
Sorry deepak for posting it 3 times, I dint mean to flood the comments…
Thanks, the comment has appeared…
September 26th, 2008 at 6:34 am
It is the prevailing deep rooted problems in Hindu society has paved the ways for the missionaries to engage in conversion act. Similarly our Swamijis and Babas are taking advantage of free society of Western countries. Local low caste people are kept at a bay without any access to religious scriptures and rituals and we gleefully watch when the Western people, described in our scriputers as “mletchcha” countries, recite mantras and perform our rituals. If our so called, self proclaimed, hindu leaders don’t address these social issues whatever written or discussed in this blog will be a mere “shadow boxing”.
Just imagine, what would have happened had US been a hardline Christian country like Saudi Arabia???? So the US free society is blessing in disguise for us to reform ourselves and discover the lost righ heritage and culture.
September 26th, 2008 at 6:39 am
Deepak,
Can I have a sincere reply for one question.
Isn’t atleast some of the Sangh Parivar organizations (particularly VHP and Bajran Dal) do organized violence (often indirectly) and fanaticism?
Particularly we should mention Gujarat riots and recent Orissa incident. In both cases we hear reports that crowds went with lists on whom to attack and what to destroy. Who organized all these?
Leave Christian and Muslims for the time being, what about the problems organizations like Bajrang Dal create in the name Valentine’s Day, etc?
September 26th, 2008 at 6:47 am
@Deepak
Suddenly the comment got deleted again, seems like a wierd problem…
September 26th, 2008 at 6:55 am
@Rajeev
Deepak will defend the Bajrang Dal By hook or crook….
You cant expect an answer from him on this I think… or is it so??
September 26th, 2008 at 7:21 am
@ deepak,
You say that i condemn the hindus not christians. You very well know what i mean. right? my condemnation is not for hindus but for destroyers of hinduism. Here it seems the fight for Gods’ is by some fools who try to de mean other religions to make our God great. And by doing so they they themselves are demeaning our Gods’ and godess’.
Look what is happening in Orissa. Though the maoists have claimed more than twice for the attack on swamiji bhajrangdal burnt alive and killed so many innocent christaians and what standing do you have morally?. Do we really need RSS or BJP or Bhajrangdal or Deepak Kamat to ignite us and our use our vulnerability to religious cause?
Cenutury rules of british and catholic percentage is just 2% of total population. What forcible conversion are you talking about? Instead force ful is the re conversion by our bhajrangdal fanatics. And you know it better.
It is always easy to support rich and majority people but if you listen to your conscience which you have killed you would have known by now that eeshwar exists in each one of us. Christian missionaries have done great works for uplifetment of sick and poor and if they have wronged they should be punished according to the law of the land.
Hindus please wake up and let God lead your way ! not these fanatics. Listen to your conscience…Not these idiots.
September 26th, 2008 at 7:27 am
@SR
i think u must read my comments once again. i have mentioned there that each family can have good or bad people,i also mentioned that if u go to church u dont become christian.
MR.SR
if u make mistake in ur family that doesnt mean that ur parents , brothers,sisters,relatives all are like that.u read comments just to find out what is written bad about hindus,but u r ignorant about what good things we write.
if bajrangis are so strong that they can attack churches ,kill people as they are doing in orrissa, was it difficult for them to catch the person who did it?????
yes , i agree the books shouldnt have printed,but one thing i must say that go and find out whatever has been written in those books is right or wrong.
dont be a hindu just for name sake,be a human being first.as i told u before there is no religion for god.
did u read news??? hw bajrangdal converting people to hinduism???? i dont see ur comments on that why???? do u have any records hw many christians have been converted to hinduism?????? did we attack ur temples for that, did we kill ur people??????
MR. DEEPAK KAMATH
u r saying i will answer when the time is right!!!!! buddy do u have any answer or just taking time for creating answers????????
for ur info dept.of forgiveness was with christ since the begining of this world.
read vedas buddy!!! u will get answers.
i must say i was born in christian family, i wont say iam proud of that, but i would like to say onething iam proud because i follow christ.
since my childhood i have been taught to spread love, but did ur parents taught u to spread hatread????
what are u trying to prove??????
r u trying to prove that bajrangdal,vhp etc are doing right???? buddy there are so many terrorist activities going on, can anybody could prove till date that islaam is right ????
some people are just taking religion as an excuse to prove they are right.we never said that christanity is right. once again i stress that- christ is right.
only through him we can have salvation, nobody else, and to know the truth u dont have to be a christian, by just admiting that jesus is saviour u will become a christian.
ur name ,fame ,appearance is not a stamp of christanity, but everyone who recognises jesus as his saviour will become christian.
buddy if u kill one person today, tommorrow he will kill u.and this thing will never end.can anybody save hinduism by killing each other????
there is only one medicine for hatread ,i.e love which jesus taught us.and he proved it by sacrificing himself for others sake.
somebody said there is a proof that any religious books are true.i dont know about urs but bible has a proof.
yes ofcourse someone must have written it.but why someone will write about god if he\she has not experienced it????? and why hundreads of people irrespective of the religion write same thing???? why bible , quoran, vedas all lead to one man??? there must be something about christ right?????
i wont say hinduism,islam etc are wrong.i wont prove that christanity is right.but there is someone who loves us who is always right!!!!
thats jesus christ.without him this world is big zero.
September 26th, 2008 at 7:43 am
@sangeetha and rajiv nair,
You are a welcome relief that some good hindu human beings exist in this blog. If at all we need to save our hinduism is only by opposing evil designs of sangh parivar and save our children from moral degradation.
Deepak has lost it and he is pulling other hindu brothers to his domain of hatred by his viscious plan.
September 26th, 2008 at 7:58 am
Mala,
There is no need to save Hinduism as long as we live as proper Hindus.
If missionaries are fooling poor Hindus (though its true in some cases, Sangh Parivar propaganda has highly exaggerated it) to Christianity it because of two reasons:
i) These poors were ignorant of what Hinduism is and were not Hindus at all (you can’t be a Hindu unless you know what Hinduism is) and was thus liable to be fooled. Its the fault of other Hindus like us that we never told them what Hinduism is.
ii) If a person converts for any material reason, its because he considers the material benefit more important than his religion. Its a private matter of the person getting converted and not the business of any one of us.
In either way the Sangh Parivar approach is not correct.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:00 am
Deepak & other Hindu extremist friends here,
Before justifying on how proud Sangh Parivar members are defending Hinduism through violence (often concealed and indirect), consider a similar case.
December 6, 1992 Babri Masjid was demolished. At the same time when fanatics were celebrating the great victory of Hindu fighters, Muslim fanatics and mobs went on rampage all over Bangladesh attacking innocent Hindus. Innocent Hindus were murdered, women of all ages were raped. Houses, property and worship places of Hindus were destroyed.
Aren’t the Sangh and people like you justifying this kind of a logic? Aren’t you trying to brainwash others into this kind of an attitude here.
The logic seems to be something like, “we have had enough, now its time to fight back”
Its after multiple acts like this by Muslims all over the world, that Muslims & Islam got the extremely negative image. Do you want Hindus and Hinduism to end up like this? Suspected and contempted all over the world. I don’t want myself and my religion to be known to in that way.
Before trying to fool others will lies like missionaries are going to convert everyone and thus eliminated Hinduism, why don’t you just look at the census figures? A few tribals or Hindus converted here or there is not going to affect Hinduism in the least. As I said earlier, if Hinduism was not eliminated over the past 1000 years under Islamic and colonial rule, its not going to be eliminated now.
Its a mark of fascism that they need to create enemies to bring some solidarity within their own group. Its similar to the propaganda of Hitler against Jews.
Atleast today (I don’t know about the future), most Hindus won’t agree with this kind of an attitude.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:14 am
My dear hindus of india,
we are proud to be hindus and we practice hinduism because we belive in our Gods’ and godess’. I am pasting a sensible article by fearless eminent journalist mr. KARAN THAPAR. Please be enlihtened.
http://www.persecution.in/node/3082
September 26th, 2008 at 8:16 am
enlightened
September 26th, 2008 at 8:34 am
The problem with Mala Kamath is that she is brainwashed by pseudosecularism.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:36 am
@ All the anti-Hindu lobbyists here,
You may post your anti-Hindu questionnaire logically. I will answer you.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Here’s Bandyopadhyay Arindam response to Karan Thapar – http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/india-usa-blog-column153.htm
September 26th, 2008 at 9:18 am
It is the invoking of a threat to have Article 355 on BS YEDIYURAPPA government which has given undue problems to the situation.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
@Deepak
Verse for you from the bible
Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your understanding Proverbs 3:5
September 26th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
@mala kamat:
You wrote, “…I am pasting a sensible article by fearless eminent journalist mr. KARAN THAPAR. Please be enlihtened.”
1. Wow, mala. I just wonder, if I could have become a medical doctor and you offer your body and mind to diagnose to see what types of materials it composed, and mental states of your situation.
2. I never heard of that eminent journalist, is he lives in far away planet called Hindu-basher Thapar Planet? From which university he got the eminent journalist educaton? Perhaps, Goa Inquisition Master Francis Xavier College or similar types. Thats why he is eminent.
Mala, did you looked into dictionary whats the word Eminent means? I am afraid. You may read a book by Arun Shourie.
EMINENT HISTORIANS:
Their Technology, Their Line, Their Fraud
by Arun Shourie
http://www.indiastar.com/wallia19.html
3. Your eminent journalist Thapar got exposed very badly by the real eminent scholars. Note, scholars, not brainless journalist like Thapar. Read it and see how illusion engulfed you not being able to discriminate right from wrong, truth from untruth.
Response to Hindustan Times Article “Whos the real Hindu?”
http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/india-usa-blog-column153.htm
Satyameva Jayate Nanritam, Truth alone triumphs, not falsehood.
September 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
The Ajit dogma:
Dogma: Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your understanding
Reality: So I should follow the Church by mortgaging my brains.
September 26th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
@ Deepak kamat
another verse for u from bible
luke 8:16
“no one lights a lamp and covers it with a bowl or puts it under a bed.instead he puts it on the lampstand, so that people will see the light as they come in”
if iam not mistaken DEEPAK means light.ur name is light but spreading darkness all over. u have covered ur head with a iron bowl.u know the truth but dont want to accept it. u are fighting like a kid. u know something??? when cat drinks milk it closes its eyes and feel that nobody can see it!!!
u r also like that. u have closed ur eyes to the truth,and feel that rest all are in darkness.
buddy as i was telling u before there are lots of hindus who know what is right and wrong. u can see some of them in these blogs.they are real hindus.we all respect them.god always looks at persons heart not religion.
1 PETER 3:8-14
” u must all have same attitude and same feelings;love oneanother as brothers, be kind and humble.do not pay back evil with evil or cursing with cursing;
whoever wants to enjoy life,and wishes to see good times,must keep from speaking evil and stop telling lies;he must turn away from evil and do good;he must strive for peace with all his heart,for the lord watches over righteous and listens to their prayers,but he opposes those who do evil;who will harm u if u r eager to do what is good?….
PROVERBS 06:16-19
There are 7 things that the lord hates and cannot tolerate:
1.proud look
2.lying tounge
3.hands that kill innocent people
4.mind that thinks up wicked plan
5.feet that hurry off to do evil
6.a witness who tells lie one after another
7.a man who stirs up trouble among people
all those RSS,VHP,BAJRANGDAL ETC
just see how much u guys fit into these words from bible.
some more MATTHEW 13:14-15
“these people will listen and listen,
but do not understand;
they will look and look ,but not see;
because their minds are dull, they have stoped up their eyes.
otherwise,their eyes would see,
their ears would hear, their minds would understand,and they would turn to me,and i would heal them.
@
Reality: So I should follow the Church by mortgaging my brains.
do u have 2 brains???? because ur one brain is already with bajrangdals?? isnt it????? FYI, those words from bible say”TRUST IN THE LORD WITH ALL UR HEART” not with ur brain!!!! who asked u to follow church????? we all are stressing on onething trust in the lord!!!
buddy when u read comments keep ur cool and then answer.if u just get exited for everything its u who is going to loose!!! i mean high BP!!!
September 26th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
@ Rayan
Good one buddy
@Deepak
one more verse for you
Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
@Deepak
Proverbs 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom, and from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.
Proverbs 2:7 He holds victory in store for the upright, he is a shield to those whose walk is blameless,
Proverbs 2:8 for he guards the course of the just and protects the way of his faithful ones.
Proverbs 2:9 Then you will understand what is right and just and fair–every good path.
Proverbs 2:10 For wisdom will enter your heart, and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul.
Proverbs 2:11 Discretion will protect you, and understanding will guard you.
Proverbs 2:12 Wisdom will save you from the ways of wicked men, from men whose words are perverse,
Proverbs 2:13 who leave the straight paths to walk in dark ways,
Proverbs 2:14 who delight in doing wrong and rejoice in the perverseness of evil,
Proverbs 2:15 whose paths are crooked and who are devious in their ways.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
@ Rayan and Ajit,
Can you think independently? Your brains are totally washed by the Bible.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
@ Rayan and Ajit,
I have read Bible completely. I have also read Koran and all the Hindu scriptures apart from Buddhist and Jain texts. I hope you got my point. Reserve your advice to the unlearned.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:25 am
Mr. Deepak Kamat,
You have switched off your conscience and would like to argue the thing that you really dont mean. It is like some lawyers taking up cases and winning them inspite of knowing that they have played with the life of innocent victims.
You can answer hindu lobbyists with your wit but you know for sure where you stand if you pose that question yourself.
I am happy that there are sensible people out here who dont buy your twisted campaign.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:52 am
Is it not a sin to instigate violence?? If you throw stones at police officer do you thinkstones at police officer do you think he will be quite ?? I myself knew a pentacostal church were people got converted for money. I know a ex coworker who openly degrades our gods and godess and still works in the company… some people talk like as if they have extra rights to bash other religions only coz they are minorities! and expects no one to question them even when they are at fault. When someone does, they are harrasing minorities ban them with immediate effect! What a cheapos they are!
September 27th, 2008 at 2:08 am
Using Gandhiji’s opinion on christian missionaries is ridiculous by RSS Bhajrangdal outfits.It shows their double standards. They do not want to accept same Gandhiji’s opinion about dalits. Infact it was those facists who murdered our bapuji.
Replying Karan Thapar with foolish argument and supporing orissa massacre by Arindam shows bankruptcy of morals by these rogues.Thse anti national forces must be banned and hinduism needs to be saved by our hindu priests who are otherwise donot have guts to call what is immoral as immoral.
September 27th, 2008 at 2:20 am
Kamala,
@ Kamala;
You seem to have lost the logic.Just for revenge if innocent victims are beaten it is wrong. They may be of our caste or muslims or christians. Some stray incidents of conversion.. and you blame the whole sect for it ..then it is wrong. Moreover even if the person mentioned by you has converted for money it is not illegal by law and you are not above law, infact no one is above law.
Just read this lead and you will know the different picture of how peace ful demonstrators were beaten by police.
http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=51289&n_tit=Mangalore%3A%20Girija%20Vyas%20Brings%20Police%20Brutality%20to%20the%20Light
September 27th, 2008 at 6:23 am
I see logic in bharath shenoy and mala kamat and rajive nair. Hinduism is not about killing or attacking other religions but spreading love by our karma. Duwaayein hame milne chahiye …shraap nahi.
Let us save hinduism from these bhajrangdal Rss hypocrits who have made mockery of our Gods’ and godess’.
September 27th, 2008 at 6:38 am
Deepak Kamat,
your allegation that i have been brainwashed by pseudo secularism , then what should i say about you?…
May be our hinduism is lacking good teachers to show path to young people to live a moral life. Coz here is a person who does n’t feel guilty for his hienus crime against mankind and may Esahar save gullible hindus falling prey to these filthy people.
September 27th, 2008 at 8:48 am
@ Mala Kamat,
Your reply shows that you are brainwashed by Christianity too. You say Hinduism is lacking good teachers. This concept of good teachers is also a Christian concept. Hinduism is about being natural and not artificially cultured. Regarding guilt, why don’t the Christians feel guilty for the millions of massacres. In case, you haven’ come across it, read Bertrand RUssell’s book — Why I am not a Christian — and get back to me.
September 27th, 2008 at 10:04 am
@Deepak,
Satan also knows the Bible in and out.
Satan quotes bible verses to tempt people against God and Christ.
So if you do have a bible, please do a small prayer and read it. God will speak to your heart..
And if you have read the bible, you know that nowhere in the bible Christ preaches us to be violent. Its also written nowhere that Forgiveness is Franchised to Christians(questions that you had raised in your above comments)
so this clearly shows that you did not read the Bible fully.
September 27th, 2008 at 10:47 am
@ Everyone
This person is a true Christian. Living example of the love of Christ…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3LFBqvvW-M&feature=related
September 27th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
>>Date: September 20, 2008 @ 5:28 pm
WHERE DO YOU LIVE YOU madarchod gigolo sealion or whoever you are, FIRST TELL ME YOU F**CKING anpad PARSSITE TRAITOR SNAKE. HEY HAVE YOU SEEN THE LATEST EMPLOYMENT OF your own sister (THEY ALL BED ATLEAST 100 MEN IN THEIR LIVES) DO BREED LIKE PIGS (EVEN PIGS WOULD BE ANGRY TO BE COMPARED TO your kind..maybe you are from BIHaR/UP where all you do is f**k women). WHO INVITED YOUR BLOODY FUCKING FILTHHY PRESENCE ON THIS SITE ANYWAY, NOOO IT IS IN THE FILTHY anpad HINDU BLOOD TO COME IN UNINVITED, BEG AND STAB IN THE BACK. SATANIC BLOOD YOU SEE. YOU BSTDS WON’T GO EASILY ONLY A FINAL SOLUTION HAS TO BE ARRIVED AT TO FINISH THE COW URINE DRINKING KALI WORSHIPPING BASTARDS. SOBB GIVE YOUR ADDRESS..I WANT TO COME AND F**k YOUR SISTER
BY THE WAY SISTERFUCKING IS NOT A SIN ALSO IN HINDUISM, NO WONDER KRISHNA HAD 16000 WIFES SO YOUR FOUNDATION IS BASED ON AIDS..
:0)))<<<
MAA DAD CHOD IS PURELY CHRISTIAN YOU FUCKING MOTHER CUNT LICKING DOG. SORRY I WAS NOT ON THIS SITE FOR A WHILE SO THAT YOU MOTHERFUCKING CHRISTIAN DOG HAS ESCAPED. “ANPADH” TOO AUR TERA GIGOLO BAAP AUR TERI RANDEE MAA. BLOODY HOW MANY L’SS HAVE YOUR MOTHER LICKED TODAY.
SON OF A BITCH AND BOAR I LIVE IN BARODA MAA DAR CHOD AGAR 1200 BAAP KI AULAAD NAHIN HAIN (WAISE TO TERI RANDEE MAA KO BHI NAHI PATA HOGA). YOU SON OF A BASTARD AND WHORE WHERE YOU LIVE GIVE YOUR ADDRESS MOTHER FUCKER. TERE GHAR MEIN GHUS KAR MARRONGA, ADRESS TO DE RANDI KE BHAAND AULAAD. SONIA KA RULE AUR TERI GUTTER LIFE KHATAM SAMAJH “SUAR KI NANGI AULAAD”
JESUS APNI MAA (MARY MAGDELENE) PAR HI LAG GAYA. YES IF KRISHNA HAD 1600 WIVES (OFFCOURSE U BLOODY CHRISTIAN “SUARS” DO NOT DIFFRENTIATE BETWEEN WIFE AND MOTHER AND SISTER FOR YOU ALL IS SAME), AUR JESUS HAS NOW ALMOST 1 BILLION NO. AFTER ALL ALL PROSTITUTE NUNS ARE AFTER ALL “JESUS BRIDES” NO
BY THE WAY KITNAE PAISE MEIN APNEE MAA KO BECHA THA MADARCHOD. AUR BHADWAE KI AULAAD TERI TARAH DO KAUDI KAA MAA NILAAM KARNAE WALA NAHIN. FUCKING FOOL I HAVE STUDIED ENGG FROM IIT (WHERE NO CHRISTIANS ARE FOUND) NOT A BIB-LIE EDUCATED DOG LIKE TU AUR TERA BHADWA BAAP. TERI SHAKAL WAISE BHI KISI BHAAD SE MILTI HAI. APNEE MAA SE POOCH
APNA NAAM BHI BHOOL GAYA 1200 BAAP KI AULAAD YAA SADAK PAR PALNE WALA LAAWARIS HAI MAA DAR CHOD
September 27th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
JESUS THE FIRST TERRORIST AND MOTHERFUCKING NOT A SIN IN CHRISTIANITY.
ANOTHER 5 PAISE MOTHERSELLER “AJIT” WHO KEEPS HINDU NAME TO GET THE BENIFIT OF RESERVATION SATAN WORSHIPPING MDC LECTURING ON GOD. THE DEVIL QUOTING FROM SCRIPTURES.THE SPITS BASTRDS BEGETTED BY WHORES LECTURING ON “GOD” HA HA HA . GO DRINK CHRISTUS URINE (SCOTCH) AND SLEEP WITTH YOUR MOTHER BASTRDS. IT IS A HINDU PAID AND HINDU SITE. THESE EVIL, VILE PARASITES ARRIVE UNINVITED EVERYWHERE. GO TO SUZANNE SAGRIKA GHOSH OR PRONOY ROY SITE (MAYBE THESE CHRISTIAN CUNTS WOULD HAVE ONE NIGHT WITH YOU)
September 27th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
OH NAME LESS RAT
>” SEA LION, have u read booklet SATYA DARSHINI??????? its truth man, read it. short and sweet bagwad geeta.
> AS TRUE AS YOUR MOTERFUCKING JESUS BASTARD BEGETTED BY A WHORE. HEY I DON’T HIT MY HEAD BASTARD. I “KILL” “SUARS” BEGETTED BY CHRISTIAN WHORES LIKE YOUR MOTHER. WHERE ARE YOU YOU SON OF A BASTARD. FUCKING YOU MOTHER.
OH SON OF A BITCH AND BOAR TERE JESUS KE KITNAE LUND THE 18 LUND MAA CHODNE KE LIYAE.
PADH TERI BIB-LIE (RADIYON KI MEHFIL)
Yeah, right.
How many foreskins did Jesus have?
18, at last count. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_foreskin
This whole thing is a complete hoax: Jesus didn’t exist at all, it’s just an instance of “truth by repeated assertion”. There is simply no evidence, either via physical relics (cf. the tooth of the Buddha) or via independent historians that such a person existed. It’s only the church that keeps asserting that there was a certain jess who actually existed.
Another really interesting “miracle” is the Two Skeletions of ‘Saint’ Thomas: One, As a Young Man (Found in Mylapore, Chennai), and the Other, As an Old Man (Found in Ortona, Italy)
Just think that through. The word that leaps to mind is “hoax”.
hey dont hit ur head!! it will hurt u only.
beta tension math le, aisa kabi kabi hota he.
>> ABE MAA CHOD CHOS KE BAAP BETE KAA FARAK BHOOL GAYA. APNAE BAAP SE AISE BAAT KARTA HAI. SAHI HAI MADARCHOD WORSHIPPING MAA DAR CHOD. TERI MAA KA BHOSDA, YAHAN AB ARMED HINDU ORGANIZATION BAN RAHE HAIN. TERI MAA KO TERI AANKH KE SAAMNE CHODENGE BAADKHAU
i have one mental hospital here, i will give u free treatment.
because if u keep on writting in the blogs like this u will go mad. hw much u read buddy?????? u read bible, quoran, but why dont u read ur geeta?????? accha, sad o what, krishna has 16000 , i dont have one.dont worry beta, yaha aaja- laloo ki gaay 2 din se tumhe bula rahi he.
its better for ur kind of people to die.u should be killed in public man.
MAA DAR CHOD CIA KE BHADWAE BRITISH KEE AULAAD YEH INDIA YEH TERE GORAE BAAPON JINSE 5 PAISE MEIN TOO MAA CHUDAATA HAI UNKA AMERICA NAHIN. TER 1200 BAAP BHI MIL KAR SHETA NAHIN UPTA SAKTAE. TOO KAUN HOTA HAI BE MAA DAR CHOD HIMMAT HAI TO MAA KI CHOOT SE BAHAR NIKAL BHOSDI KE. TUJHE HI DAUDA DAUDA KE TERE KHAANDAAN KE SAATH MAROONGA. TERI GOREE MAA JISKE BAL RAAND KI AULLAD CHRISTIAN (5 PAISE MOTHERSELLER KOOD RAHE HAIN) WOH BHI BACHAA NAHIN PAYEGI. MAA DAR CHOD RANDEE KI AULAAD ADDRESS TO DE, 1200 BAAP KI AULAAD
i think u r one part of that bajrangis?????? who are uneducated,
ma baap ne kuch sikaya nahin kya???? beta aisa tho ma-baap kaise rahenge????
BHOSDEE KE BAJRANGIS ARE MORE EDUCATED THEN YOUR RANDEE KI AULAAD PAEDOPHILE “FATHERS” AND RANDEE “NUNS” AEE TUM DO KAUDEE KE MAA CHUDAU BHADWE 5 PAISE CONVERT TUM LOGON KE JON KYA HAIN HA HA HA HA . DEKHA NAHIN 99% OF CHRISTIAN WOMEN ARE EITHER “PERSONAL” SECERTORIES OF BOSSES (BECAUSE OF THE EASE WITH WHICH THEY JUMP BEDS, “CHRISTIAN VIRGINS OFF COURSE”) AND BHADWE CHRISTIANS ARE EITHER PIMPS OR CLEAN SHITPOTS IN GULF. YOU MOTHERS JOB IS CLEAR, TERA BAAP KISKE POT KO SAAF KARTA HAI. WAISE BAJRANGIS ARE MORE EDUCATED THEN ALL 5 PAISA CHRISTIAN CIA DOGS LIKE YOU. TOO PATA TO BATA CIA KE BHADWE TUJHE HINDUSTAN KI DO GAJ ZAMEEN BHI NAHIN MILEGI
kutte jaake apne dimaag ka ilaz kar,nahin tho tera email id bej tera mein ilaaz kartha hu. suhar, kichad se paida hua he ,tu kichad me hi rahega. jangli tha , jangli hi rahega. tum kaan kaata he kya gooo kaatha he???????
GOO TERA BAAP AUR TERI MAA KHAATE HAI CHRISTIAN BHADWE, RANDEE KI AULLAD, SUWAR KE BACCHEE. SAALE CHRISTIAN KEEDE, GOO MEIN RENGNE WALE CROSSTIAN, . MERA ID SE PEHLE TERA ID MAIN TALASH KAR LOONGA MAA DAR CHOD, AUR TOO APNE DIN GIN 5 PAISE MEIN MAA BECHNE WALE DO KAUDI KE KUTTE,M BEHENCHOD, MAA DAR CHOD. TERA ADDRESS TO MEIN NIKAAL HI LOONGA AUR SAALE GUTTER KE KEEDAE, WAHIN GUTTER MEIN KAAT KAR POORAE KHANDAAN KE SAATH PHEKOONGA. TERA ID TO AB TRACE MEIN LAG GAYA HAI BEHENCHOD. AAB NARAK MEIN JAANE KE DIN GIN. TUJHE BATATA HOON RANDEE KI AULAAD. TERI MAA KAA
tum jaise logo se saala sab hindus ko gali deni pad rahi he. kutte pehle apne bagwan ke baare me soch baad me dusro ke baare me sochna.
what do u think we cant brake ur temples?????? its so easy man??? tum koi ek temple ka naam de kal shaam thak udake aatha hu.tum hindu logo ko thoda jaga diya tho kaan me muthega kya?????
dum he tho address dena saaale. dum nahin he tho ghar pe bait chudi pehenke.
September 27th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
>>Then you put an new allegation that Christians are putting Bombs in Temples. Dear friend, you need to check the secret locations and factories of Bajrang Dal and VHP where they manufacture Bombs(Proven fact)..<<
WHERE IS THE PROOF YOU CHRISTIAN MAD NUT. ANOTHER 5 PAISA. HAD THERE BEEN SOME YOU NEFARIOUS CHRISTIANS WOULD HAVE BEEN WIPED OFF FROM INDIA, YOU FLESH AND BLOOD DRINKERS.
PROVEN FACT: JUST BECAUSE A CHRISTIAN MADDOG WHO LIVES LIKE A PARASITE IN INDIA SAY SO. HOPE THEY HAD IT BY THE WAY THE FACT IS THAT NO CIA DOG WAS KILLED IN MANGALORE.
AND THE REAL FACT IS THAT ALL THIS TERRORISM IN INDIA IS BEING PLANNED, HATCHED, AND EXECUTED BY THE BROTHREL KEEPERS OF CHURCH CALLED “FATHERS”. THE TERRORISTS ARE JUST PAID HENCHMEN, OF THE EVIL, VILE AND ABOMINABLE CHRISTIANITY, THE BANE OF THE WORLD
O’ NAMELESS KUTTAE, SUN LAE BOMB SE TOO AASANI SE MAREGA CHRISTIAN. TERI TO KHAAL CHEERONGA. SAALE TUJHE POORE FAUJ DHOOND RAHEE HAI, DO PAISE KI AULAAD
September 27th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
mala kamat :
Date: September 27, 2008 @ 6:38 am
Deepak Kamat,
your allegation that i have been brainwashed by pseudo secularism , then what should i say about you?…
May be our hinduism is lacking good teachers to show path to young people to live a moral life. Coz here is a person who does n’t feel guilty for his hienus crime against mankind and may Esahar save gullible hindus falling prey to these filthy people.
ANOTHER CHRISTIAN CONVERT WITH A FAKE HINDU NAME. YES OFFCOURSE GOOD TEACHERS IN DRUG CRAZED, BLOOD BATHED, SEX CRAZED, KILLERS OF 1. 2 BILLION, WHERE ABORTIONS, CHILD KILLING, BLACK LYNCHING, SLAVERY IS THE “MORAL” IS VERY “MORAL”.
YES CHRISTIANS ARE FILTHY PEOPLE AND WHO OFF ALL INVITED YOU TO THIS SITE TO GIVE YOUR MORALISING ABOUT HINDUS FALLING PREY. WE ARE NOT BRAINLESS, MINDLESS CHRISTIANS WHOSE PLACE IS IN MENTAL ASYLUM OR GAS CHAMBERS
September 27th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Mala Kamat and Nameless christian f** same.
September 27th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
EY HAVE YOU SEEN THE LATEST EMPLOYMENT OF your own sister (THEY ALL BED ATLEAST 100 MEN IN THEIR LIVES) DO BREED LIKE PIGS (EVEN PIGS WOULD BE ANGRY TO BE COMPARED TO your kind..maybe you are from BIHaR/UP where all you do is f**k women). WHO INVITED YOUR BLOODY FUCKING FILTHHY PRESENCE ON THIS SITE ANYWAY, NOOO IT IS IN THE FILTHY anpad HINDU BLOOD TO COME IN UNINVITED, BEG AND STAB IN THE BACK. SATANIC BLOOD YOU SEE. YOU BSTDS WON’T GO EASILY ONLY A FINAL SOLUTION HAS TO BE ARRIVED AT TO FINISH THE COW URINE DRINKING KALI WORSHIPPING BASTARDS. SOBB GIVE YOUR ADDRESS..I WANT TO COME AND F**k YOUR SISTER
BY THE WAY SISTERFUCKING IS NOT A SIN ALSO IN HINDUISM, NO WONDER KRISHNA HAD 16000 WIFES SO YOUR FOUNDATION IS BASED ON AIDS..
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FINAL SOLUTION, WE WILL ARIVE AT THE FINAL SOLUTION TO THE MOTHERRAPING, SISTER FUCKING CHRISTIANITY YOU MADAD CHOD SON OF A BITCH, SATAN WORSHIPPING CIA DOG A PRODUCT OF A RED LIGHT WHORE AND 1200 FATHERS LIKE YOUR CRIMINAL SATAN JESUS. HA HA HA HA HA A GOD WITH 1 BILLION “BRIDES OF CHRIST”WHORES, IS THE ONE BASED ON AIDS AND SYPHILIS. YOU “GOD” WOULD HAVE DIED OF CANNIBALSITIC AND SYPHILIS ANYWAY.
FUCKING BASTARD IT IS U CHRISTIANS WITH FILTHY BLOODY THAT TOO OF A 5 PAISA MOTHERSELLER WHO COME IN UNINVITED LIKE DIRTY DOGS. YOU DIRTY DOGS CHRISTIAN WHORES SKIPPED BEDS TO INDIA, THE SPITS OF PORTUGESE AND BRITISH “ENTERTAINERS” TERI MAA BHI TOH YEHI KAAM KARTEE HAI.
SAALE KUTTAE KI AULAAD, SUWARIYA KE JAAYE, FINAL SOLUTION TO TUMJ KUTTON KAA NAZDEEK HAI. 5 PAISE MEIN MAA BECHNE WALE, SAALE CHRTIAN HAARAMI KI KUTTI AULAAD, TU SAALE MAHARASTRA MEIN KAHAN REHTA HAIN ZARA BATAA, NAHIN TO WOH BHI TRACK KAR LOONGA. SAALE FINAL SOLUTION TO TUM CHRISTIANS KAA HOGA AB. “PIGS AND PIG BEGTTED CROSSTIANS NOT ALLOWED TO LIVE”. SAALE TERI BEHEN TO PEHLE HI MERA BISTAR GARAM KAR RAHEE HAIN JAB KI TERA BAAP BAHAR BAITHTA HAI. BY THE WAY HOW MANY TIMES WERE YOU RAPED BY THE PAEDOPHILE “FATHERS”. TU MAA DAR CHOD, BHAD KHAU, TUJHAA AAICHI G…, RANDEE MAA KEE BHADWEE AULAAD TU SAAMNE TO AA. TERI AAKH KE SAAMNE TERI BEHEN KI …
OH AND WHICH “JESUS” U SATNIC 5 PAISA CONVERTED DOG WORSHIP.
The archetypal Jewish hero was Joshua (the successor of Moses) otherwise known as Yeshua ben Nun (‘Jesus of the fish’). Since the name Jesus (Yeshua or Yeshu in Hebrew, Ioshu in Greek, source of the English spelling) originally was a title (meaning ‘saviour’, derived from ‘Yahweh Saves’) probably every band in the Jewish resistance had its own hero figure sporting this moniker, among others.
Josephus, the first century Jewish historian mentions no fewer than nineteen different Yeshuas/Jesii, about half of them contemporaries of the supposed Christ! In his Antiquities, of the twenty-eight high priests who held office from the reign of Herod the Great to the fall of the Temple, no fewer than four bore the name Jesus: Jesus ben Phiabi, Jesus ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus and Jesus ben Gamaliel. Even Saint Paul makes reference to a rival magician, preaching ‘another Jesus’ (2 Corinthians 11,4). The surfeit of early Jesuses includes:
Jesus ben Sirach.
This Jesus was reputedly the author of the Book of Sirach (aka ‘Ecclesiasticus, or the Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach’), part of Old Testament Apocrypha. Ben Sirach, writing in Greek about 180 BC, brought together Jewish ‘wisdom’ and Homeric-style heroes.
Jesus ben Ananias.
Beginning in 62AD, this Jesus had caused disquiet in Jerusalem with a non-stop doom-laden mantra of ‘Woe to the city’. He prophesied rather vaguely:
“A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against the whole people.”
– Josephus, Wars 6.3.
Arrested and flogged by the Romans, he was released as nothing more dangerous than a mad man. He died during the siege of Jerusalem from a rock hurled by a Roman catapult.
ut hold on a minute: in the original text studied by Origen (and in some recent ones) the chosen criminal was Jesus Barabbas – and Bar Abba in Hebrew means ‘Son of the Father’!
Are we to believe that Pilate had a Jesus, Son of God and a Jesus, Son of the Father in his prison at the same time??!!
Perhaps the truth is that a single executed criminal helped flesh out the whole fantastic fable.
Gospel writers, in scrambling details, used the Aramaic Barabbas knowing that few Latin or Greek speakers would know its meaning.
Jesus ben Saphat. In the insurrection of 68AD that wrought havoc in Galilee, this Jesus had led the rebels in Tiberias. When the city was about to fall to Vespasian’s legionaries he fled north to Tarichea on the Sea of Galilee.
Jesus ben Gamala.
During 68/69 AD this Jesus was a leader of the ‘peace party’ in the civil war wrecking Judaea. From the walls of Jerusalem he had remonstrated with the besieging Idumeans (led by ‘James and John, sons of Susa’). It did him no good. When the Idumeans breached the walls he was put to death and his body thrown to the dogs and carrion birds.
Jesus ben Thebuth.
A priest who, in the final capitulation of the upper city in 69AD, saved his own skin by surrendering the treasures of the Temple, which included two holy candlesticks, goblets of pure gold, sacred curtains and robes of the high priests. The booty figured prominently in the Triumph held for Vespasian and his son Titus.
esus ben Thebuth.
A priest who, in the final capitulation of the upper city in 69AD, saved his own skin by surrendering the treasures of the Temple, which included two holy candlesticks, goblets of pure gold, sacred curtains and robes of the high priests. The booty figured prominently in the Triumph held for Vespasian and his son Titus.
But was there a crucified Jesus?
Certainly. Jesus ben Stada was a Judean agitator who gave the Romans a headache in the early years of the second century. He met his end in the town of Lydda (twenty five miles from Jerusalem) at the hands of a Roman crucifixion crew. And given the scale that Roman retribution could reach – at the height of the siege of Jerusalem the Romans were crucifying upwards of five hundred captives a day before the city walls – dead heroes called Jesus would (quite literally) have been thick on the ground. Not one merits a full-stop in the great universal history.
September 27th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
>Mr. Deepak Kamat,
You have switched off your conscience and would like to argue the thing that you really dont mean. It is like some lawyers taking up cases and winning them inspite of knowing that they have played with the life of innocent victims.
You can answer hindu lobbyists with your wit but you know for sure where you stand if you pose that question yourself.
I am happy that there are sensible people out here who dont buy your twisted campaign.<
LOL ANOTHER 5 PAISA EVIL CONVERT, TALKING ABOUT “CONSCINCE”. I THINK ANOTHER TEESTA IN MAKING. WHERE IS THEIR CONSCIENCE ABOUT THE 3 MILLION IRAQIS AND AFGHANIS MURDERED FROM AIR BY THE “COWARDLY” AND IMPOTENT CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS FROM AIR. I THINK IT GOES TO SLEEP WITH THE ILL BEGOTTEN, CORRUPT $$ THESE GOOD FOR NOTHING 5 PAISA CONVERTS AND CHRISTIAN VERMIN GET TO BREAK INDIA. AJIT, RYAN, THE NAMELESS GHAATI 5 PAISA CONVERTED SUAR KI AULAAD AND NOW MS MALA KAMAT (FAKE NAME OFFCOURSE)
DEEPAK CAN WE GET IT STARIGHT TO THESE CROOKS CIA DOGS THAT “THIS IS HINDUTVA SITE” AND DIRTY DOGS CAN EAT SHIT ON IBN, NDTV OR VATI-CUNTIST SITES
September 27th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
ABE CHRISTIAN KUTTAE KI AULAAD, DO KAUDI KE GHUSPATHIA, PORTUGESE KI BASTARD AULAAD, JEEKAR KAYA KAREGA GUTTER SHIT KE KEEDAE. APNA ADDRESS DE TERI MAA KI …..SAALE VATI-CUNTIST KUTTAE, KYA MAA CHOD RAHA HAI
September 27th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
@SeaLion
You are brainwashed by Satan. That is shown in the language you use.
Coming to me being a Christian, SeaLion, you yourself are hiding your name which shows you are ashamed of it. I am a christian and I know it and my God knows it. My records right from my child hood show that I am a Christian…. I dont have any reservation certificate… I was among the toppers in my college, so please stop guessing…
You people need America and UK..etc for higher studies, you also build temples etc at America but when it comes to India, you all claim its your land, you people attack every one who are not Hindu’s…..
What do you know about Jesus???… Dont you know how many people are being healed today by Jesus… Go see Benny Hinn’s website… Dont you know how many people are finding Peace in Jesus… See the testimonies of people… Do you know how much peace you get when Jesus speaks with you?? Yes, Jesus speaks and thats a truth… He speaks when we pray with repentance. He takes out our troubles and bears our problemss…. What do you know about Him?? He died on the cross for you and me so that we may not be judged for our sins though we should be rightfully judged… He does not look at the persons past he forgives everyone… Check the theief on the cross who was forgiven and assured a place in heaven.,
In your heart either God or Satan can reside and your language very much shows whats/whos in there…
September 27th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
@ Sealion
I worship the one and only Jesus of Nazereth who came for you and me and Died for our Sins…
There are enough proofs that He came, was crucified, he was burried and was resurrected… If you need them I will illustrate… Or you can google search Proof for ressurrection..
Christianity is all based on facts and supported by History. All the ones that you have quoted are from gnostic gospels dated 200 years after Jesus’s resurrection. The bible is taken from books and letters dated within 10 to 20 years after Jesus’ resurrection… So please get your facts right. Gnostic were written by people who never liked Christ… And these books are forged and have no historical basis….
The books of the Bible are obtained from differnent places and written by different people… Just imagine, there was no communication in those days and how can books from different places have a single topic or tell about the same God… its impossible by the knowledge of Man to do this without quick communication methods..
September 28th, 2008 at 4:57 am
I have used this info in my blog.. just to spread the word.
Also included the link to this page.
Thanks for publishing, I was searching for this content.
September 28th, 2008 at 6:23 am
the Answer of thi book is >>>
jesus was not able to save himself then how come he can save others…
September 28th, 2008 at 6:57 am
I request all of you to read “awake, araise” by Vivekananda. All of us will get the right answer and lets us know our responsibility. Otherwise this keep on digging about the past of each other is a mere waste of time. All of you including Deepak has lost the focus. All are engaged in spitting with face towards the sky. Think about present,what is to be done.
September 28th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
@ SEALION
afterall u r back???? is it MR.deepak kamat using name SEALION??????? when people dont know hw to answer the truth, then they use such language out of frustration.
do u think ur abusing words can change the truth into a lie??? when we love christ that doesnt affect us!!! buddy if i start to abuse u , u will not get those words in ur oxford dictionary!!!! if i also do that , then what is the diffrence between u and me. u urself only clearly showing the diffrence between a christian and a satan. i dont call u a hindu.because there must be lots of hindu parents who teach good things to their children, it seems that ur parents have not taught u anything!!!!! this is what u teach ur children then hw can u save ur hinduism man?????
MR. SEA LION
UR COMMENTS:
DEEPAK CAN WE GET IT STARIGHT TO THESE CROOKS CIA DOGS THAT “THIS IS HINDUTVA SITE” AND DIRTY DOGS CAN EAT SHIT ON IBN, NDTV OR VATI-CUNTIST SITES.
why cant u directly say that, i dont have any answer for the truth of lord jesus christ????
MUNNA!!! naraaz math ho yaar, aisa kabi kabi hota hai!!! jindagi me bahut baate pehli baar hi patha chalthi he. jyada gussa math ho , tumhara gussa tumhe hi takleef pahunchayega, baaki sab yeh blogs me lik rahe hai woh sab apne apne ghar pe baite hai.
MAMOO!! i think u need “JADOO KI JAPKI” dont worry we all pray for u one day u will be blessed by jesus to preach lords words.
afterall jesus came for sinners,
jesus never hates anybody , only thing he hates is the sin in you. he loves u, u will experience that love very soon.
jesus is standing at the door of ur heart ,and knocking its because of ur stubbornness u can not hear him.
u and me will die oneday ,but only one person lives is jesus christ.
buddy our life on this earth is just a drop of water, but life after death is ocean,then why cant we share this drop of water with everybody ,so that we can have oceanful of peace. thats what we are trying to tell all those who are against christ.
sirach 15:16-19
“lord has kept fire and water before you, reachout and take whichever u want. u have a choice between life and death: you will get whichever u want.lords wisdom and power is so great that he sees everything, he is aware of everything a person does, he takes care of those who fear him.”
September 28th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
@Deepak kamat
ur comments:
“i have read Bible completely. I have also read Koran and all the Hindu scriptures apart from Buddhist and Jain texts. I hope you got my point. Reserve your advice to the unlearned.”
really???? just an explanation for ur comments:
- one day raju asked his teacher,to teach him ramayan, teacher gave raju a geeta and asked him to read it.raju was very exited,he read geeta from begining to end.then he went to the teacher to ask a question?? do u knw what he asked the teacher??? he asked – teacher-teacher yeh sita kaun hai????
got some answer????
honey, as i told u before ,iam merchant navy officer, sometimes to teach my juniors i have to study a lot from diffrent books.when i read books u know hw i prepare a plan? best plan is to how to catch my juniors, hw to catch their mistakes.
u say , u have read bible which is not at all possible. as we are telling u can lie to us but hw can u lie to god????
if u have read some chapters some bible then dont read with hatread, read with love.learn to love urself first then only u can love christ.
there are so many lectureres in colleges who read plenty books to teach their students.but those books does not help them but others.so read bible to help others then only god will reveal his love for u.
u have read bible ,quoran,vedas etc but from all these u got only hatread??? hw is it possible man??
its okey,yaar blogs me kuch bhi liken ,paisa thodi lagtha he????
September 28th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Mr Deepak,
You have lost if all.
i have said what i believe. Hinduism doen’t need the barbaric goondas who are actually destroying it. Your misery is understandable. first u accused me that i am pseudo secularist, and now convert of christanity and and if i still continue u may blame me isi agent right?.
I think you need to vent out this frustration but please spare innocent people. As far as sealeon is considered it shows who are his parents and their upbringing.If he uses his bad mouth and dirty words by de meaning other religions our hinduism shines then no psychologists in mental wards could be of any help.
deepak, those who stand for truth are real hindus and not your so called goondas.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Dear Deepak,
i have understood your level of understanding. I said we dont have good teachers to save hinduism and your reply is concept of teachers is christian. wow.
Dont we have learned people in our scriptures? The other day in NDTV BJP spokesman called human right ativist Teesta Setalvad “terrorism supporter”.
Shame on you Deepak, tommorrow if your own child opposes your hypocrisy donot brand him isi agent.
September 29th, 2008 at 12:42 am
The Mala Kamath dogma
Dogma: Mr Deepak, You have lost if all. i have said what i believe. Hinduism doen’t need the barbaric goondas who are actually destroying it.
Reality: Violence is not a one-way street. Christians started it. Bajrang Dal retalitated.
Dogma: Your misery is understandable. first u accused me that i am pseudo secularist, and now convert of christanity and and if i still continue u may blame me isi agent right?.
Reality: You are putting words in my mouth. I did not say that you are pseudosecularist. I said you are brainwashed by pseudosecularism. It was Sea Liion who charged you with Christian conversion. As for the ISI agent accusation, I don’t think you have enough intelligence and courage to be one.
Dogma: I think you need to vent out this frustration but please spare innocent people.
Reality: I only dish out facts. Ignorants be excused. I have never forced anyone to read this site.
Dogma: As far as sealeon is considered it shows who are his parents and their upbringing.If he uses his bad mouth and dirty words by de meaning other religions our hinduism shines then no psychologists in mental wards could be of any help.
Reality: If you could spew baseless allegations on me, so can Sea Lion. besides, I don’t beleive in censoreship. I have allowed my own criticism in my own website. What does it prove?
Dogma: deepak, those who stand for truth are real hindus and not your so called goondas.
Reality: Well, read my other posts. I have sacrificed my career for the sake of truth with capital T. As for the so-called goondas, read the bloodsoaked history of Islam and Christianity.
BTW, have you read Bertrand Russell’s book Why I am not a Christian. Read it before you make unsubstantiated allegations against me.
With best wishes,
Deepak Kamat
September 29th, 2008 at 12:44 am
The Rayan dogma,
Dogma: u have read Bible ,quoran,vedas etc but from all these u got only hatread??? hw is it possible man?? its okey,yaar blogs me kuch bhi liken ,paisa thodi lagtha he????
Reality: I only pointed out the truth. I challenge you to point out falsehoods in my write-ups. Go and wade through my 50 odd posts in this site.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:28 am
Suppose I say mother of Jesus is a prostitute(as she gave birth to Jesus) without even getting married), every christian is going to cry at us. So, living together without hurting each other is the definition of prosperity. Lets don’t hurt each other.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:59 am
“Christians started it. Bajrang Dal retalitated.”
Deepak,
Though you have been avoiding my posts, I will try to reply to yours.
Good that you accept atleast now that Bajrang Dal is behind the attacks. Did Christians attack temples and beatup workshippers? Is physical violence and atrocities the right retaliation for one book with a few abusive words.
When you speak about the bloody History of Islam & Christianity (which is undeniable), why are you forgetting the bloody History of Hinduism itself. The blood shedding was not against other religions, but against our own people who have been humiliated into lower castes and untouchables.
And defending such abuse as that of “SeaLion” shows your true colors.
Nagarjuna,
“Suppose I say mother of Jesus is a prostitute(as she gave birth to Jesus) without even getting married), every christian is going to cry at us.”
Crying is allowed as long as they don’t start attacking temples and beating up Hindus, just because some stupid Hindu abused their religion.
Dear SeaLion,
Most of what you say is totally false. From where are you copy/pasting these items?
September 29th, 2008 at 4:18 am
according to me this type of publishing books & wirting low level comments on hindu god this is not first time it has happend so many times but now hindus are awakening frm long dream so many people came to such matter one think christians should rembebr that jesus have meditated thru shankaracharya than he went back to middle east asia to spread the religion in name of chrisanity he also siad in bible that iam not a god iam a messnger b\w u & god this fact of christian it means that christian is also part of hindusim than also christian crticises hindu & hindu gods
September 29th, 2008 at 5:22 am
@jagadish
Buddy, get your facts right. Jesus never said that He was just a messenger…
This was what He said.
6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[b] my Father as well.”
September 29th, 2008 at 5:33 am
@Deepak Kamat
Why should we look at your 50 odd posts and find that you are telling lies….
Just one of your posts is enough to convey the message that you are supporting the Bajrang Dal for whatever they do.. So since all the information you posted on one of your posts is totally one sided, it shows that you and your information are totally unreliable…
You are supporting your guys soooo much can you show one GOOD social service that your guys do?? Not the acts of raping nuns and burning orphan children alive, please know that these acts are inhuman and not social….
September 29th, 2008 at 5:41 am
@Nagarjuna
If you say that and pubish it, we Christians will only protest peacefully not like your guys going around and destroying others property…
For your information, from the Bible
Luke 1
The Birth of Jesus Foretold
26In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”
29Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. 31You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. 32He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.”
34″How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
35The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[c] the Son of God. 36Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month. 37For nothing is impossible with God.”
38″I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May it be to me as you have said.” Then the angel left her.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:07 am
The Ajit Dogma
Dogma: Just one of your posts is enough to convey the message that you are supporting the Bajrang Dal for whatever they do..
Reality: Yes, I not only defend the Bajrang Dal. I also support them in their noble act of showing the criminal missionaries- mullahs their place. Do you have any problems?
Dogma: So since all the information you posted on one of your posts is totally one sided, it shows that you and your information are totally unreliable…
Reality: Just because the information that I post is not confirmed by the pseudosecular media, it does not mean I am wrong. It is the pseudosecular media that is wrong.
Dogma: You are supporting your guys soooo much can you show one GOOD social service that your guys do??
Reality: Bajrangis do a lot of social service. But they don’t advertise like the self-patting missionaries.
Dogma: Not the acts of raping nuns and burning orphan children alive, please know that these acts are inhuman and not social….
Reality: That’s just pseudosecular propagandas. In fact, it is the Padres who rape the nun inside. Google Vatican scandals — you will get to know the number of women and children abused inside the Church premises.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:17 am
Dogma: You say that i condemn the hindus not christians. You very well know what i mean. right? my condemnation is not for hindus but for destroyers of hinduism.
Reality: Just because some Hindu Kshatriyas fight, it is goondagiri for you. What about those who abuse Hindus? Do you expect us to twiddle our thumbs like eunuchs?
Dogma: Here it seems the fight for Gods’ is by some fools who try to de mean other religions to make our God great.
Reality: That is area of specialisation of the Mullahs and Missionaries. Read the Bible and the Koran. Also read the Gita to knjow the difference. Don’t blabber like a Convent educated nunny who has internalised the Padre propaganda.
Dogma: And by doing so they they themselves are demeaning our Gods’ and godess’.
Reality: Read my post carefully to find out who demaned our Gods and goddesses.
Dogma; Look what is happening in Orissa. Though the maoists have claimed more than twice for the attack on swamiji bhajrangdal burnt alive and killed so many innocent christaians and what standing do you have morally?.
Reality: So you expect us to beleive criminals when we have incriminating evidence for Missionary involvement. Silly girl, show your antics to someone else. Visit the North East to know more about NLFT terrorism and its sponsorship by the US.
Dogma: Do we really need RSS or BJP or Bhajrangdal or Deepak Kamat to ignite us and our use our vulnerability to religious cause?
Reality: If not for these Hindu fighters, we would have lost our sovreignity to these Mullah-Padre-Left-Capitalist goons long ago and would have been a banana republic.
Dogma: Cenutury rules of british and catholic percentage is just 2% of total population. What forcible conversion are you talking about?
Reality: Do you know who crypto Christians are? You have swallowed gthe pseudosecular propaganda wholesale. Besides, do you know how the British supported missionaries by giftign them land. The Christians have disproportionate infleucne in India thanks gto the Pope and the foreign masters.
Dogma: Instead force ful is the re conversion by our bhajrangdal fanatics. And you know it better.
Reality: Each action has equal and opposite reacgtion, silly girl. Do you expect Hanuman to acquisce before Ravana. Hanuman’s duty is to set Lanka on fire. Bajrangis have done justice to Mother’s milk.
Dogma: It is always easy to support rich and majority people
Reality: That’s what you do by supporgting Christians. Remember, Christians are bogth rich and majority — if you consider globalisation. Hindus/pagans are actually in the other end of the spectrum.
Dogma: but if you listen to your conscience which you have killed you would have known by now that eeshwar exists in each one of us.
Reality: I do, that’s why I am a masculine Hindu.
Dogma: Christian missionaries have done great works for uplifetment of sick and poor and if they have wronged they should be punished according to the law of the land.
Reality: Their service was just a red herring for conversion. Read Christopher Hitchins. The Hindu way is to serve withougt ulterior motives. Christians are the greatest cons the world has ever seen. Don’t believe me. Read Bertrand Russell.
Dogma: Hindus please wake up and let God lead your way ! not these fanatics. Listen to your conscience…Not these idiots.
Reality: Yes, don’t listen to idiots like Sangeeta Shenoy — who is totally ignorant about ground realities — and has the audacity to advise others.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:18 am
The above post is reply to the dogmas of that silly girl Sangeeta Shenoy who is preaching like a Church padre.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:24 am
Dogma: i have understood your level of understanding.
Reality: With the level of self-righteousness that you possess, how long has it been since you last saw the floor.
Dogma: I said we dont have good teachers to save hinduism and your reply is concept of teachers is christian. wow.
Reality: Well, Hindus don’t need indoctrination. That’s what I meant. In case you can understand Vedanta, you will understand the deeper imports of my words.
Dogma: Dont we have learned people in our scriptures?
Reality: Learned people and scriptures are dime a dozen.
Dogma: The other day in NDTV BJP spokesman called human right ativist Teesta Setalvad “terrorism supporter”.
Reality: No doubts about that.
Dogma: Shame on you Deepak.
Reality Shame and sin are Christian concepts. Kindly decodition yourself from your Christian upbringing.
Dogma: tommorrow if your own child opposes your hypocrisy donot brand him isi agent.
Reality: In the first place, I am not an hypocrite. In fact, I am just a pure reflection of whatever you are. In the second place, I am a bacehlor who does not plan to get married. So your hypothetical hypocrisy has no standing.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:26 am
The above is reply to that silly girl Mala Kamath who is peabrained but thinks she is a genius. I have seen a lot of such brainless geniuses.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:32 am
Dogmas of Rajeev Nair.
Dogma: Though you have been avoiding my posts, I will try to reply to yours.
Reality: I had observed it but had reserved my judgfement.
Dogma: Good that you accept atleast now that Bajrang Dal is behind the attacks.
Reality: It is the missionaries who are behind the attack. The common Hindus retaliated. I am all for Bajrang Dal. I myself am a devotee of Hanuman.
Dogma: Did Christians attack temples and beatup workshippers?
Reality: Oh, Yes, they do and did. Check how many Temples have been damaged in Goa and North East?
Dogma: Is physical violence and atrocities the right retaliation for one book with a few abusive words.
Reality: You are now undermining the problem to just teh book. Realise very well, that American missionaries are bringing in a lot of slush funds to change the constituion of the land. Dont be so naive, Rajeev.
Dogma: When you speak about the bloody History of Islam & Christianity (which is undeniable), why are you forgetting the bloody History of Hinduism itself.
Reality: The history of Hinduism was one of nobility. Don’t beleive me. Read Vivekannada who said that peace reigned until Islam came with its bloody train of murder. Besides, the history that you refer to is the Left-colonial interpretation.
Dogma: The blood shedding was not against other religions, but against our own people who have been humiliated into lower castes and untouchables.
Reality: no blood has been shed. In fact, Varnas were nothing but classes. The Hindu scriptures do not support untouchability. In fact, Hindu soceity was impoverished during 1,000 years of Muslim-Christian-Colonial-Left tyranny.
Dogma: And defending such abuse as that of “SeaLion” shows your true colors.
Reality: Well, do you expect me to sing paens to people who have killed crores. That’s exactly what Christians, Muslims, Leftists and colonialists did.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:37 am
Deepak kamat dogma
1. Violence is not a one-way street. Christians started it. Bajrang Dal retalitated.
reality: Violence was started by meticlous planning by bhajrangdal not christaians. There is law of the land and it is supreme. Who has given you the authority to do attack innocent people?. Are you above law or constitution?.
2.Deepak Dogma:
I only dish out facts. Ignorants be excused. I have never forced anyone to read this site.
Pen is mightier than sword. Here you are using your good talent of writing for causing destruction among people. Religion is opium of the people and passions of people can be aroused easily and you spread hatred in place of love.
3.Deepak Dogma :
If you could spew baseless allegations on me, so can Sea Lion.
reality:
I hope you know what i said. i said “love ” should replace “hatred”, and warned people against being influenced by provocative writings which would ruin our hinduism. You equalled me to sea leon. Be happy he has come to your rescue and he would be first in line to kill many innocent people in future by your influence.
4. Deepak dogma:
BTW, have you read Bertrand Russell’s book Why I am not a Christian. Read it before you make unsubstantiated allegations against me.
Reality:
I donot believing in hating a community just because Bertrand Russel felt so. It is also true that missionaries have worked tirelesly for poor sick and downtrodden. That means more to me. I dont hate you but hate your deeds. You have a flair for writing. use it to grow love not hatred and killing.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:38 am
Hi Deepak,
It is good to See our Swamijis getting together for a noble cause of uniting Hinduism. Their abundant knowledge, leading religious institutions and intellectual power will definitely contribute for the renaissance of Hinduism and Social structure. They know very well when and what to talk, in a stern manner ,without using any foul language. THe role of Bhajarangis is over and let them pave the way for religious leaders without hijacking the situation. The day is not far when Bhajrangis will be a thorn in our neck…..
September 29th, 2008 at 7:57 am
The above is reply to that silly girl Mala Kamath who is peabrained but thinks she is a genius. I have seen a lot of such brainless geniuses.
This girl may be silly but upright and has a good upbringing with right moral standards which so called genius (by self offcourse)lack.
September 29th, 2008 at 8:11 am
Mala kamat not mama kamat
September 29th, 2008 at 9:20 am
More dogma from Mala Kamath
Dogma: This girl may be silly but upright and has a good upbringing with right moral standards which so called genius (by self offcourse)lack.
Reality: Morals – I think you are conditioned by the Victorian standards propogated by the Padres. Thank God, I was educated in a Hindu school and never had to internalise the Padre poison in a Convent school.
September 29th, 2008 at 9:28 am
More dogmas from Mala Kamath
Dogma: Violence was started by meticlous planning by bhajrangdal not christaians.
Reality: How do you know? Do you know that the Church is a MNC with Pope as its CEO and their agenda is well clear with the harvest of the soul. Read Bertrand Russell, silly girl. There is a concerted efforts to swallow Hinduism which the Bajrangis foiled. Anyway, you have proved to be a silly girl who has swallowed media propaganda hook, line and sinker.
Dogma: There is law of the land and it is supreme. Who has given you the authority to do attack innocent people?. Are you above law or constitution?.
Reality: That shows your naiviety. Do you know that the authorities can be bribed very easily given the dollar funding of the Church?
Dogma: Pen is mightier than sword. Here you are using your good talent of writing for causing destruction among people.
Reality: Silly baseless allegations. I only exposed the misdeeds of the missionaries.
Dogma: Religion is opium of the people
Reality: Now this is a Communist dogma. Be original, silly girl.
Dogma: and passions of people can be aroused easily and you spread hatred in place of love.
Reality: If somebody rapes someone and I try to save the victim, can you accuse me of spreading hatred?
Dogma: I hope you know what i said. i said “love ” should replace “hatred”, and warned people against being influenced by provocative writings which would ruin our hinduism.
Reality: Then you should expose the missionaries. They were the ones who abused HInduism. Why were you abusing me?
Dogma: You equalled me to sea leon. Be happy he has come to your rescue and he would be first in line to kill many innocent people in future by your influence.
Reality: Your imagination is worjking overtime.
Dogma: I donot believing in hating a community just because Bertrand Russel felt so. It is also true that missionaries have worked tirelesly for poor sick and downtrodden. That means more to me. I dont hate you but hate your deeds. You have a flair for writing. use it to grow love not hatred and killing.
Reality: So you have proved to be an ignoramus. You do’t want to update your knowledge and are very content in swallowing the media propaganda hook, line and sinker. Grow up, silly girl.
September 29th, 2008 at 9:33 am
@ Mala Kamath,
Also make it a point to visit North East. It is the same Charitable missionaries who are fuelling terrorism in the North East. Got it, silly girl.
Decondition yourself from your Padre influences.
September 29th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Dear Ajit and other fello christians,
thanks for giving so many points from the bible. We have so many good things in bible. Why haven’t we used these points to sow goodness in the minds of the non christian people. Why should we use such bad portrail about other Gods when we oveselves have the worst history behind us (hope you have read the history of Christianity). Is our bible lacking goodness. What would christians do if the same abuse was done to christians in a Christian country. Will we keep quite. I think what they did in (whatever party they belong to) Mangalore was right. Spread the word of God and not the word of Satan (abusing other faiths)
THINK OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD CONVERT THEM TO GOODNESS (IF SO REQUIRED) FROM THE BOTTOM OF THEIR HEART. NOT JUST FOR MONEY AND BLACKMAIL (e.g.the TSUNAMI victims). We dont want people like that and that is not real faith. If it is not possible, lets us convert to their faith. They have been converting our christians in the west by showing what is good for humanity not by denigrating our faith.
And now you know whats making the westerners to embrass other religion and the decrease in attendance in the Vatican.
Think before blabbering.
September 29th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
WE MUST TEACH A LESSON TO CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES , IF WE KEEP QUITE, WE ARE NOT HINDUS.
September 29th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
@Satyachristiyani
I dont know if you are a Christian, but if you are you should know what these people are actually doing…
And we dint abuse any of their gods.. Did you read some people’s comments who really abused us and our God?? We are telling the truth and did not abuse anyone…
Let me tell you that these so called hindus want to spread Hinduism in the Western Countries but dont allow Christian Missionaries to come to India. Look at the protests they made when Benny Hinn was here(all violent protests)..
They use Church compounds to do Satanic works by Bribing people there…. Are they doing any good work?? In africa, hindus are hated the most because they are known to cheat…
Get your facts right whoever you are..
September 29th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
@Deepak
How silly Deepak, You cannot digest anyone speaking against you by simply calling them dogmas…..
You know an ostrich?? It covers itself under sand and thinks its hiding itself…. You are similar to it. You think every word other than yours are dogmas… You cover yourself and think thats the truth…
What if you dint study in a convent?? Your parents would have… if not then ask your teachers… The knowledge you acquired are not from your Hindu Scriptures did you???
Deepak, get your head out from under the sand and look at the reality….
In India look at who does
Land Grabbing
business-standard.com/india/storypage.php?autono=325338
Child Abuse and Rapes
rickross.com/reference/clergy/clergy652.html
Tell me someone from Bajrang Dal who worked for the Leopers like Mother Theresa…. Why is it that Bajrang Dal is only famous for making Bombs?
dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1191465
communalism.blogspot.com/2008/09/bajrang-dal-indias-hindu-taliban-into.html
And attacking Churches, killing Children and raping Nuns
orissaburning.blogspot.com/
Tell me one good school that belongs to the Bajrangis in India and has produced great people…. Tell me one social service institution that the bajrangis have setup that is known all over India for its service…
You say Christians do self patting…. Did you see any advertisements on TV anytime??? Or did any TV channel ever propogand their work….
Who call themselves savers of Hinduism on TV?? Have your facts right Mr. Deepak..
Look at you, you call Bajrangis acts as noble… Dont you know how much service the Christian Missionaries do??? Dont act stupid, you go to north east and see. Goto the slums and see how Christians help, you wont find any bajrangis there…
Anyways I believe God is looking at all these… He is a just God and will do the Justice…
By the way answer to this question Deepak… What will the missionaries get by going to the slums??? What can they possibly get by giving their money to poor people??? What will they get by living in disease prone areas and jungles??
Ask the real people who were served by the Missionaries…. Also ask people who were served by the Bajrangis….
Look, all the commotion is created by VHP and the Bajrangis not the common people and we in India believe in a democracy By the people….
You have some personal grudge against Christians…. You can read and believe some book written by Bertrand Russell?(His perceptions) and you cannot believe truths written in the Bible….
You can also read books like
How we got our Bible By Chuck Missler??
You just wont because you have a premedetated mind to attack on Christians yourself….
September 29th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
What Some Famous People Have Said About Christianity
Few excerpts:
1. Raja Ram Mohan Roy, (1772-1833), Indian reformer:
Most Christian converts had been allured to change their faith by other attractions than by a conviction of the truth and reasonableness.
2. Swami Vivekananda (1863-1902), Indian spiritualist:
They come to my country and abuse my forefathers, my religion, and everything; they walk near a temple and say ‘you idolators, you will go to hell’, but they dare not do this to the Mohammedans of India, for the sword will be out, but the Hindu is too mild.
3. Abraham Lincoln (American Statesman, 1809-1865):
“The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.”
“My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures have become clearer and stronger with advancing years, and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.”
I see a very dark cloud on America’s horizon, and that cloud is coming from Rome.
4. Bertrand Russell (1872-1970) British philosopher -
Christianity has been distinguished from other religions by its greater readiness for persecution. “The whole contention that Christianity has had an elevating moral influence can only be maintained by wholesale ignorance or falsification of the historical evidence.
I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world.
So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence.
5. Oscar Wilde (1854-1900), Irish author:
When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it.
Missionaries are going to reform the world whether it wants to or not.
6. James Madison (American Statesman, 1751-1836, Co-Author Declaration of Independence):
“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.”
“In no instance have … the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people.”
Read more here (a must read site).
http://www.burningcross.net/crusades/famous-quotes-christianity-2.html
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“The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don’t do anything about it.” ~ Albert Einstein.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Dear Brothers,
Truth is Truth and one cannot deny that God is one and Only One..
He Manifests himself in different forms..
Brahma, Vishnu , Maheswara, Jesus are sons of the Absoulte God the God of Gods. We all should know the essence of the Truth, the Real and Absolute God..
Hindus Call him ParaBrahma or OM (No Human Shape), Christians call him The Almighty and Muslims call him Alla..
G = Generation (Brahma)
O = Operation (Vishnu)
D = Destruction (Maheswara)
This is behavior of Universe which has its origin from Almighty..
Hindus given Extraordinary Human Shapes to these behaviors which is inevitable to any entity to this universe..
Hindus also proposed 3 crore Gods which are nothing but the Manifestation of Nature’s forces which are nothing but the essence of Almighty..
Vedic scriptures were scientific understanding of the Universe around us.. about We all Human Beings, our behaviour.. and The right way of Living..
To reach him The Almighty they told to practice the Sacrifice thru Meditation..
They showed the right path to live and co-exist..
It is the misunderstanding of Hinduism by Hindus themselves that they are getting Royally Screwd..
September 29th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
@ Rajeev Nair:
1. Are you a Hindu or a convert? If you are a convert disguised as Hindu, then you are simply doing what is very core philosophy of christian faith, that is self-deception. If you are a Hindu, then I request you to read writings of Swami Vivekananda, Sri Aurobindo, Mahatma Ganhdi etc on aggressive and unethical christian conversions.
2. It seems, you are as confused as taking shelter under self-deceptions.
Why not you read Goa Inquisition under the leadership of infamous Francis Xavier (Vatican decorated that cruel mass-murderer as Saint), and see, how many thousands of Hindu temples were destroyed and converted into church, and how many lakhs of Hindus were cruelly killed using diverse cruel tactics as per the Inquisition Instruments of Portoguese govt and Vatican.
3. ‘Goa Inquisition was most merciless and cruel’
http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/14inter1.htm
Also watch.
Part 1-Goa Freedom Struggle – Goa Inquisition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RObk8XNMkM
Always remember: Truth unfolds itself, thats why our national motto: Satyameva Jayate (Truth alone triumphs).
September 29th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Thank God for this! Really. In a completely skewed perspective of the Media which considers being anti-Hindu as secular and sophisticated, this comes as a refreshing relief. Please let me know if you need any assistance in furthering your efforts!
Jai Hind
September 30th, 2008 at 12:30 am
@Bharath
You are probably forgetting the history of your religion my friend…
Remember Sati, Untouchability and castism…. all of which are prevelent even today… Remember how Dr. Ambedkar was rejected, he too was a Hindu himself…
Dont tell its a social evil or some other terms… It was created by Hinduism….
It would have killed millions of people, especially woman… You must also realize that this was banned by British, the same British that you only remember for their bad works…
I agree that many “Christians” are not living a life as told in the Bible, but that doesnt mean Christianity or the sayings of the Bible are bad.. If you see today, Christian missionaries are synonymous for their sevice among the poor people.
You must see the core values in the books of the respective religions…
Nowhere in the Bible you will find that a person is instructed to kill and murder. It might only be during wars that this would have happened..
But the new testement of the bible is more clear and strictly instructs not to follow Violent ways…
Also, you must not come to conclusions after checking certain passages from the bible, you must know the context of those sentences..
September 30th, 2008 at 1:08 am
Every one who opposes vicious plans of bhajrangdal either branded ”pseudo secularists” or ” peanut brained” or “padre up bringing”. by deepak Kamat. That shows his frustration.
September 30th, 2008 at 2:05 am
Dear Bharat,
I am still a Hindu and not any convert to Christianity. Infact in my student days I was an ABVP activist by accident. Even today I have many old friends who are members and ex-members of RSS.
I am not ignorant of anything you or Deepak says. I am well acquainted with the works of Vivekananda & Aurobindo, and am well aware of World History to know about which religion did what.
Don’t let yourself to be brainwashed by this hate propaganda. Sangh Parivar organizations are committing slow suicide by going for this hate propaganda. Atleast in public, even people like Advani and Yediyurappa are ashamed of what is done by Sanghis. It won’t do Hindus or Hinduism any good by following this hate ideology.
One thing I most dislike in Sangh Parivar organizations (particularly VHP & BD) is that they bring out their manliness and pride only among helpless people. They can boast of fighting for Hinduism by killing and attacking unarmed priests, nuns, muslims, etc. But when Hindus face a real problem (like that of Kashmiri Pandits) the Sanghi fighting spirit becomes mere talk and hence impotent. Its only recently that Sangh Parivar organizations have taken the Kashmiri Pandit problem seriously and that too with political motives.
Not to speak about how the forerunners of these organizations collaborated with British against Indian Freedom Movement, or the murder of Gandhiji by a Hindu fanatic.
Don’t let fascist propaganda material by Golwalkar, Rajaram, Sitaram Goel, F. Gautier, K. Elst, Frawley, etc. brainwash you. Start reading some better books and articles. The Sangh Parivar hates anyone who doesn’t agree with them, its not just the Muslims and Christians alone. The Sanghi hate list even includes eminent people like Amartya Sen, Swami Agnivesh of Arya Samaj.
The world is much bigger than the narrow ideology of Hinduvata. And most importantly Sangh Parivar != Hinduism.
September 30th, 2008 at 2:24 am
I am not a supporter of Christian conversion or Islamic fanaticism. But what organizations like VHP, BD are doing to fight conversion is much worse than conversion itself.
Gandhiji too was opposed to Christian conversion, but nobody (not even Christians) calls him a Hindu fanatic. With all his human limitations Gandhiji was a better Hindu than most of us. Try to understand why Sangh Parivar is called fanatic and not Gandhiji.
The History of every religion is full of violence. For every Crusade and Inquisition we have our own contributions in the form of caste based violence, Sati, Witch craft, etc.
There is no need build a propaganda based on a Christianity that existed 500/1000 years ago. I know what modern Christianity is, because I have lived among many Christians in Kerala and US.
September 30th, 2008 at 2:25 am
Is this what our hinduism is?. Are these “saviors’ of hinduism?
These are terrorists we must desist and dis own, being influenced by its hateful propaganda.
please read today’s hindu news paper and you will know level of these bhajrangdal outfits.
http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/30/stories/2008093058040100.htm
September 30th, 2008 at 2:26 am
>Don’t let fascist propaganda material by Golwalkar, Rajaram, Sitaram Goel, F. Gautier, K. Elst, Frawley, etc. brainwash you. Start reading some better books and articles. The Sangh Parivar hates anyone who doesn’t agree with them, its not just the Muslims and Christians alone. The Sanghi hate list even includes eminent people like Amartya Sen, Swami Agnivesh of Arya Samaj.
OYE CHRISTIAN KUTTAE AJIT WHO ASKED YOU FOR YOUR DIRTY FILTHY OPINION HERE ON OUR HINDU SITE. FIRST I HOPE U AND YOUR SONIA MAINO WILL FUCK THE NAZI POPE FOR KILLING THE 1.2 BILLION HUMANS WORLDWIDE AND MAKE VATI-CUNTIST “SECULAR” WITH A TEMPLE, MOSQUE, AND SYNAGOUGE THERE. NO U WON’T. YOU MF, PIGS SATAN WORSHIPPING BASTDS WANT “SECULARISM” AS DEFINNED BY A FILTHY, UNCULTURED ANIMAL CALLED CHRISTIAN WHEREVER U R A MINORITY BUT ONCE A MAJORITY JUST START ATTACKING OTHERS. YOU ARE FILTHY CIA SNAKES, TRAITORS WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUTCHERED ENMASSE FOR THE HELP EXTENDED TO BRITISH DOGS
“KILL CHRISTIANS SAVE HUMANITY FROM EXTINCTION AND MOTHERFUCKERS”.
MR 5PAISA CONVERT OR A PRODUCT OF PORTUGESE SPIT, BEDWRAMER LECTURING HERE.
>The world is much bigger than the narrow ideology of Hinduvata. And most importantly Sangh Parivar != Hinduism<
YES AND FLAT. AS THE CHURCH INSISTS, ANYBODY WITH CONTRARY OPINION WOULD FACE INQUISITION, AND DEATH AT THE HEAD OF BLOOD THIRSTY CHURCHIANITY.
YES WORLD WAS CREATED IN 6 DAYS, AND ANYBOSYWITH CONTRARY OIPINION FACES DEATH BY XIAN DEATH SQUAD
AND CHRISTIN FUCKERS WITH HINDU NAMES FIRST CHANGE THE NAMES TO CUNTS NAMES LIEK JOHN, JAMES, “JEBUS”.
WORLD IS MUCH BIGGER THAN THE GUTTER PSEUDORELIGIOUS IDEOLOGY OF CHRISTIANITY, WORSHIPPING JULIUS CEASER, SPECIALLY “CHURCHIANITY”
September 30th, 2008 at 2:33 am
I am secular: Advani
SHILLONG: Seen as the face of hardline Hindutva, senior BJP leader L.K. Advani said on Monday he studied in a Christian missionary school and he was “very much a secular man.” He said his party stood for peaceful co-existence of all religious groups.
Representatives from Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist and tribal organisations participated in the meet that was aimed at clarifying the saffron party’s stand on the attacks on Christians, churches and prayer halls in Orissa and Karnataka. — PTI
another piece of report from the hindu. Now do you need another axample for Pseudo secularist”?
You said you are not product of christian education ..but your leader is. Ism’t it irony?
Double faced and double toungued you are ..but please have the courage to ACCEPT it too. Now every one knows who is the DOGMA.
September 30th, 2008 at 2:47 am
SeaLion,
Ha Ha Ha… Who told you I am Ajit? I can understand your frustration. Your culture and behavior is exemplary and typical of Sangh Parivar attitude. I am a Hindu still you hate me for disagreeing with you.
I don’t need to prove to you I am a Hindu. You are not a Hindu but a fascist egoist who is trying to fill his ego in the name of Hinduism. Hinduism is bigger than and different from Sangh Parivar.
[i]CHRISTIAN WHEREVER U R A MINORITY BUT ONCE A MAJORITY JUST START ATTACKING OTHERS[/i]
Do you know how many Ashrams Hindu Swamis have in Christian USA? Do you know how many Hindu temples are built all over Christian nations? Do you know how many Hindus makes fortunes in Christian countries? Compare that with the case of Islamic countries.
Don’t behave like a fool.
September 30th, 2008 at 2:51 am
Who is a Hindu?
New definition which Deepak, SeaLion, etc. would like to have:
“A Hindu is anybody who agrees to Sangh Parivar idealogy, others are psuedo-secularists or psuedo-Hindus”
September 30th, 2008 at 2:59 am
>>why cant u directly say that, i dont have any answer for the truth of lord jesus christ????
MUNNA!!! naraaz math ho yaar, aisa kabi kabi hota hai!!! jindagi me bahut baate pehli baar hi patha chalthi he. jyada gussa math ho , tumhara gussa tumhe hi takleef pahunchayega, baaki sab yeh blogs me lik rahe hai woh sab apne apne ghar pe baite hai.
MAMOO!! i think u need “JADOO KI JAPKI” dont worry we all pray for u one day u will be blessed by jesus to preach lords words.
afterall jesus came for sinners,
jesus never hates anybody , only thing he hates is the sin in you. he loves u, u will experience that love very soon.
jesus is standing at the door of ur heart ,and knocking its because of ur stubbornness u can not hear him.<<
HEY JEBUS FREAK C’MON YOU AND THE HINDU NAMED 5 PAISA CONVERTS LIKE MALA KAMAT ACTUALLY MALA-D, TWO BIT DOGS CHRISTIAN MADDOG GO AND GET YOUR BRAIN TESTED. IT MAYBE THE EFFECT OF CHRISTUS URINE (SCOTCH),OR SOME DRUG WHICH U MIGHT BE FED BY THE SATAN WORSHIPPING CHURCH. IT IS ME SON, REPLYING TO ONE OF YOUR CREED MADNUT CHRISTIAN BARKING ABOVE.
OH IT MAYBE THE MADDOG JOHN DAYAL, WITH MANY NAMES. YES JESUS, CAME FOR SINNERS RIGHT, SO ALL THE CRIMINALS, BARBARIANS, WHOREISM STARTS FROM CHRISTIANITY. HE IS SIN PERSONIFIED HANG ON SAAR MAT THOK, YAAR, YOU HAVE TEESTA SETALWAAD, A KNOWN CIA WHORE, A BEDWARMER OF LANGLEY HERE UNDER THE NAME OF MALA-D SORRY MALA KAMAT. YES HE CAME FOR THE SINNERS NO DOUBTS SO DID BUT WHERE IS SIN IN CHRISTIANITY, AFTER ALL YOU POPES HAVE FUCKED MOTHERS AND SISTESR, NO SEE MY POSTS ABOVE.
SO YOU SEE DEEPAK IN MY POSTS, SORRY YOU CHRISTIANS HAVE PIG BRAINS, AFTER ALL YOU EAT ANYTHING MOVING NO, ANKE, DOGS (AH A DELICACY FOR XIANS). TYPICAL MURDERER, BARBARIAN, SAVAGE DEBAUCHERY WITH WORDS. JESUS IS ON YOUR DOORS, FOR THE SINNERS (SO FUCK UR MOTHER HAVE CHRISTUS URINE, AND GO HE WOULD WASH IT). VOW!! BIB-LIE EDUCATED “TOPPERS” HE HE HE
C’MON SON ON YOUR EVIL BIBLE. CALL YOUR 5 PAISA CHRISTIAN MOMMY MALA-D, SORRY MALA KAMAT ALSO
NO DOUBT YOUR4 GOD, CAME “FOR” SINNERS AS U RIGHTLY SAY BUT SORRY U FORGOT “FOR THE SINNERS, BY THE SINNERS OF THE SINNERS”
1.Pillage and Plunder
For the land of Israel lies empty and broken after your attacks, but the LORD will restore its honor and power again. Shields flash red in the sunlight! The attack begins! See their scarlet uniforms! Watch as their glittering chariots move into position, with a forest of spears waving above them. The chariots race recklessly along the streets and through the squares, swift as lightning, flickering like torches. The king shouts to his officers; they stumble in their haste, rushing to the walls to set up their defenses. But too late! The river gates are open! The enemy has entered! The palace is about to collapse! Nineveh’s exile has been decreed, and all the servant girls mourn its capture. Listen to them moan like doves; watch them beat their breasts in sorrow. Nineveh is like a leaking water reservoir! The people are slipping away. “Stop, stop!” someone shouts, but the people just keep on running. Loot the silver! Plunder the gold! There seems no end to Nineveh’s many treasures – its vast, uncounted wealth. Soon the city is an empty shambles, stripped of its wealth. Hearts melt in horror, and knees shake. The people stand aghast, their faces pale and trembling. (Nahum 2:2-10 NLT)
An Angry Jealous God
“I have wiped out many nations, devastating their fortress walls and towers. Their cities are now deserted; their streets are in silent ruin. There are no survivors to even tell what happened. I thought, ‘Surely they will have reverence for me now! Surely they will listen to my warnings, so I won’t need to strike again.’ But no; however much I punish them, they continue their evil practices from dawn till dusk and dusk till dawn.” So now the LORD says: “Be patient; the time is coming soon when I will stand up and accuse these evil nations. For it is my decision to gather together the kingdoms of the earth and pour out my fiercest anger and fury on them. All the earth will be devoured by the fire of my jealousy. “On that day I will purify the lips of all people, so that everyone will be able to worship the LORD together. My scattered people who live beyond the rivers of Ethiopia will come to present their offerings. (Zephaniah 3:6-10 NLT)
God’s Human Slaughter Fest
Stand in silence in the presence of the Sovereign LORD, for the awesome day of the LORD’s judgment has come. The LORD has prepared his people for a great slaughter and has chosen their executioners. “On that day of judgment,” says the LORD, “I will punish the leaders and princes of Judah and all those following pagan customs. Yes, I will punish those who participate in pagan worship ceremonies, and those who steal and kill to fill their masters’ homes with loot. “On that day,” says the LORD, “a cry of alarm will come from the Fish Gate and echo throughout the newer Mishneh section of the city. And a great crashing sound will come from the surrounding hills. Wail in sorrow, all you who live in the market area, for all who buy and sell there will die. “I will search with lanterns in Jerusalem’s darkest corners to find and punish those who sit contented in their sins, indifferent to the LORD, thinking he will do nothing at all to them. They are the very ones whose property will be plundered by the enemy, whose homes will be ransacked. They will never have a chance to live in the new homes they have built. They will never drink wine from the vineyards they have planted. “That terrible day of the LORD is near. Swiftly it comes – a day when strong men will cry bitterly. It is a day when the LORD’s anger will be poured out. It is a day of terrible distress and anguish, a day of ruin and desolation, a day of darkness and gloom, of clouds, blackness, trumpet calls, and battle cries. Down go the walled cities and strongest battlements! “Because you have sinned against the LORD, I will make you as helpless as a blind man searching for a path. Your blood will be poured out into the dust, and your bodies will lie there rotting on the ground.” Your silver and gold will be of no use to you on that day of the LORD’s anger. For the whole land will be devoured by the fire of his jealousy. He will make a terrifying end of all the people on earth. (Zephaniah 1:7:18 NLT)
Ten Thousand Murdered at God’s Command
After Joshua died, the Israelites asked the LORD, “Which tribe should attack the Canaanites first?” The LORD answered, “Judah, for I have given them victory over the land.” The leaders of Judah said to their relatives from the tribe of Simeon, “Join with us to fight against the Canaanites living in the territory allotted to us. Then we will help you conquer your territory.” So the men of Simeon went with Judah. When the men of Judah attacked, the LORD gave them victory over the Canaanites and Perizzites, and they killed ten thousand enemy warriors at the town of Bezek. While at Bezek they encountered King Adoni-bezek and fought against him, and the Canaanites and Perizzites were defeated. Adoni-bezek escaped, but the Israelites soon captured him and cut off his thumbs and big toes. Adoni-bezek said, “I once had seventy kings with thumbs and big toes cut off, eating scraps from under my table. Now God has paid me back for what I did to them.” They took him to Jerusalem, and he died there. The men of Judah attacked Jerusalem and captured it, killing all its people and setting the city on fire. (Judges 1:1-8 NLT)
Exterminate 7 Nations
You must destroy all the nations the LORD your God hands over to you. Show them no mercy and do not worship their gods. If you do, they will trap you. Perhaps you will think to yourselves, ‘How can we ever conquer these nations that are so much more powerful than we are?’ But don’t be afraid of them! Just remember what the LORD your God did to Pharaoh and to all the land of Egypt. Remember the great terrors the LORD your God sent against them. You saw it all with your own eyes! And remember the miraculous signs and wonders, and the amazing power he used when he brought you out of Egypt. The LORD your God will use this same power against the people you fear. And then the LORD your God will send hornets to drive out the few survivors still hiding from you! “No, do not be afraid of those nations, for the LORD your God is among you, and he is a great and awesome God. The LORD your God will drive those nations out ahead of you little by little. You will not clear them away all at once, for if you did, the wild animals would multiply too quickly for you. But the LORD your God will hand them over to you. He will throw them into complete confusion until they are destroyed. He will put their kings in your power, and you will erase their names from the face of the earth. No one will be able to stand against you, and you will destroy them all. (Deuteronomy 7:16-24 NLT)
Bible Quote for March 28
God Discriminates Against the Handicapped
Then the LORD said to Moses, “Tell Aaron that in all future generations, his descendants who have physical defects will not qualify to offer food to their God. No one who has a defect may come near to me, whether he is blind or lame, stunted or deformed, or has a broken foot or hand, or has a humped back or is a dwarf, or has a defective eye, or has oozing sores or scabs on his skin, or has damaged testicles. Even though he is a descendant of Aaron, his physical defects disqualify him from presenting offerings to the LORD by fire. Since he has a blemish, he may not offer food to his God. However, he may eat from the food offered to God, including the holy offerings and the most holy offerings. Yet because of his physical defect, he must never go behind the inner curtain or come near the altar, for this would desecrate my holy places. I am the LORD who makes them holy.” (Leviticus 21:16-23 NLT)
God Kills the Curious
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and’ fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)
Rivers of Blood
I will leave your flesh on the mountains, and fill the valleys with your carcass. I will water the land with what flows from you, and the river beds shall be filled with your blood. When I snuff you out I will cover the heavens, and all the stars will darken; (Ezekiel 32:5-7 NAB)
Women Are Subordinate to Men
Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve. And it was the woman, not Adam, who was deceived by Satan, and sin was the result. But women will be saved through childbearing and by continuing to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty. (1 Timothy 2:11-15 NLT)
Hate Your Family
(Jesus Speaking) If anyone comes to me without hating his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, and even his own life, he can not be my disciple. (Luke 14:26 NAB)
AND YES THIS PROVES THE POINT SATAN IS GOD GOD IS SATAN VOW
Bible Quote for March 17
God is the Source of Evil Spirits
Then an evil spirit from the Lord came upon Saul as he was sitting in his house with spear in hand and David was playing the harp nearby. Saul tried to nail David to the wall with the spear , but David eluded Saul, so that the spear struck only the wall, and David got away safe. (1 Samuel 19:9-10 NAB)
YES FOR BDSM XIAN ADDITS LIKE MALA-D (TEESTA SETALWAD, THE CIA SHITPOT, 5 PAISA CONVERT)
Women Are Subordinate to Men
Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve. And it was the woman, not Adam, who was deceived by Satan, and sin was the result. But women will be saved through childbearing and by continuing to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty. (1 Timothy 2:11-15 NLT)
Shut Up Women!
As in all the churches of the holy ones, women should keep silent in the churches, for they are not allowed to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. But if they want to learn anything, they should ask their husbands at home. For it is improper for a woman to speak in the church. (1 Corinthians 14:33-35 NAB)
GREAT HEY DEEPAK KAMAT APNE GHAR KO KEEL DO, BECAUSE EVIL SPIRITS “FOR THE SINNERS, BY THE SINNERS AND OF THE SINNERS” WHICH OUR “BIB-LIE TOPPER” AND RAYAN SAYS MAY ALSO BE AT YOUR DOORSTEP, SO BETTER PURIFY EVEN YOUR DOORS, I WILL DO MINE.
SORRY XIANS BRAINLESS SCUMS. SONIA MAINO WHO IS COVERTLY BEHIND YOU CHRISTIAN GOONS (AND WHORES) HERE IS GOING TO LOOSE HEAVILY.
HEY BETTER HAVE A NICE BDSM NIGHTOUT WITH SOME TEESTA SEETALWADS MALA-Ds. “JESUS IS FOR SINNERS”
September 30th, 2008 at 3:00 am
@SeaLion
First you say I am a convert, you dont even know who I am…
Then you say that I am Rajeev Nair…
Hey you yourself are hiding your name, remember that….
September 30th, 2008 at 3:10 am
TO QUOTE YOUR OWN SHAKESPEARE “ONE MORE THE MORE TO AGGRAVATE THE NOTE, WITH A FOUL TRAITORS NAME STUFF I THY THROAT” TO ALL THE PIMPS (AND WHORES).
YEA OFFCOURSE “FOR THE SINNERS, BY THE SINNERS AND OFF THE SINNERS” (AND OFFCOURSE FOR THE SATAN, BY THE SATAN, OF THE SATAN)
David’s Punishment – Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God’s “Forgiveness” (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)
Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.’
Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan answered David: “The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.” [The child dies seven days later.]
Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
“When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.”
SPECIALLY FOR MALA-D (SORRY THEESTHA SEX-TALWAD). SORRY SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE FOLLOWED IT TO THE TEE, WE CANNOT BLAME THE POOR 5 PAISA CONVERT MALA-D
Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
September 30th, 2008 at 3:11 am
SeaLion,
Hiding behind an false name (an most inappropriate one though), how greatly you are showing your valor. Try to come out with your real name and tell at least one sensible thing.
You are saying I am Ajit. If I say you are Deepak Kamat in disguise, how will you disprove it?
My apologies to Deepak if thats not the case.
Hate breeds hate. Any non-Hindu whose first encounter with Hinduism is these posts by this guy called SeaLion is definitely going to hate Hinduism, while Hinduism proper is very different from what these hate posts say.
Now tell me SeaLion. Have you read or studied anything about Hinduism at all. You are yet to grow up.
Ajit,
My sincere request to you. Try not to make this an opportunity to preach Christianity. This is not a debate on which religion is better or truer. Its more like “blind hate vs commonsense”.
September 30th, 2008 at 3:39 am
@ Sea Lion,
Keep it up. Expose those Christian barbarians and share my work.
@ Sangeeta Shenoy,
Grow up, silly girl. CHINDU is the national newspaper of China.
September 30th, 2008 at 3:46 am
The Sangeeta Shenoy dogma
Dogma: You said you are not product of christian education ..but your leader is.
Reality: I am a Hindu and I don’t have any leaders, certainly not that old man Advani — who is super-annuated and is now a virtual padre.
However, I support any ass that supports Hinduism and I will oppose any bitch like you who has the temerity to abuse the Hindu warriors.
Dogma: Ism’t it irony?
Reality: It’s ironical for a pea-brained bitch like you. As for me, I am an independent Hindu who does not need leaders to show me the way. After all, Swami Vivekananda called us “Amritasya Putraha” and so did the Upanishads. Of course, your pseudosecular media will not tell this to you.
Dogma: Double faced and double toungued you are ..but please have the courage to ACCEPT it too.
Reality: Now you are proving your pseudosecular credentials.
Dogma: Now every one knows who is the DOGMA.
Reality: You are full of it. Decondition yourself.
September 30th, 2008 at 3:49 am
Deepak,
After reading your article about Osho, I thought you were a sensible person. You are being childish here.
I saw in the home page that you were asking Karan Thapar to grow up. Do you think anybody who disagrees with you are below your intelligence?
September 30th, 2008 at 3:52 am
@ Bharat,
Good work. We should decondition all our Hindu youths who are brainwashed by the pseudosecular media.
My next book is on:
Exposing Indian Media.
I will expose those bastards who are denigrating the Hindu faiths. It is high time that these shady characters are exposed.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:06 am
Dear all my Hindu Brothers and Sisters,
Having gone through the series of terrorist attacks recently and this conversion issues, its high time that we all HINDU woke up and start getting organized ourselves. Otherwise, see to support terrorist there are many TERRORIST group in at least 70 differnt countries and to support this christians, they are many christian countries (read todays times of india, 30th Sep 08, where Russian PM has commented).
But for us there are no countries, there are no groups to support us.
We all have to get together and do something to retain IDENTITY, otherwise this TERRORIST will WIPE AWAY our identity or else we have to follow thier terms.
I would like to is there any yahoo group, MSN group or GMAIL group where only HINDUS are members and we discuss the issues with Hindus.
You can reach me at my mail: mahesharaots@yahoo.com
Regards,
Mahesh Rao
September 30th, 2008 at 5:13 am
@Everyone
The God of the OLD testement always wanted perfection from the people as they were made in the form of God… Doesnt your father expect the same from you??? A sin committed would immideately result in wrath of God, which is why sacrifices were made with repentance to obtain forgiveness. People repeating the sins were not spared by God…
Because of CHrist, these rules on Humanity were relaxed because of CHrists pardon for Mankind.. Gods wrath on mankind was stopped by Christ himself. That is why we sinners(Humans) need Christ to obtain Salvation… now understand???
Let me answer to your specific passages from the bible
David’s Punishment – Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God’s “Forgiveness” (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)
11Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
12For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
13And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
14Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
15And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah’s wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.
Reason: The child of David was taken from him for one reason. The same reason the son of Pharoah was taken. To soften his heart and get him to repent. Children are innocent in God’s eyes and cannot sin. that is why they are often called home. Once David lost his wives and son, he repented before God and his wife gave birth to Solomon who was favored in God’s eyes. David had to humble himself before God before he could receive the blessing of God.
Besides your so called gods also practice polygamy… did you forget that??
Dude the next one that you had referred is a made up translation, the bible doesnt say that but instead says this
Marrying a Captive Woman
10 When you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, 11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. 12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails 13 and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife.
14 If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.
When you desire a wife from among the captive women:
² Bring her to your house.
² She shall shave her head and trim her nails, and put off the cloths of her captivity.
² You must respect her loss and grant her a full month of mourning for her parents.
² You may then go in to her and be her husband, caring for her, cherishing her, as your wife. [Deuteronomy 21:13, Ephesians 5:25-33, Colossians 3:19, 1 Peter 3:7]
² She shall be your wife.
Y If you have no delight in her: [Exodus 21:7-10, Deuteronomy 21:14]
² Set her free.
² You may not sell her for money.
² You may not treat her brutally.
² Because you have humbled her.
² God wants the marriage relationship to be one of love, peace, and contentment. [1 Corinthians 7:12-16]
The next quote from the bible is also incorrect, CHeck this…
Exodus 21:7-11 7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, [a] he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.
Reason: Contrary to popular opinion, wives were not “bought” and “sold” in Israel. A bridegroom’s family did give money or gifts to the bride’s family, known as the mohar (often misleadingly translated “bride price”). But this wasn’t really the “purchase price” for the young woman. It cemented the relationship between the two families, it compensated the bride’s family for the loss of her labor, and it served as a kind of “pre-paid alimony” in case the marriage dissolved.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:15 am
Mahesh,
You are right. The Hindu society is highly divided and hence politically weak. The minority (mainly Muslim) appeasement politics of Congress and many other parties is a result of this divisiveness in Hindu society.
There is no doubt that in a democratic system as ours Hindus have to unite and get what is their due.
But can’t we do that as sensible Hindus and human beings? Do we need to act like barbarians & goondas and follow a foolish fascist hate ideology for that?
This is where I differ. Unless we are true to ourselves, nobody will accept us. When people catch us lying and twisting history & facts, even the truths we tell won’t have any value. This is where Sangh Parivar approach is wrong. The solution they offer is even worse than the problem.
Except for a few leaders, the whole bunch of people who make up such organizations are without any opinion of their own, don’t know what is right or wrong and are easily brainwashed.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:34 am
@Sealion
Nahum 2:2-10
The LORD will restore the splendor of Jacob
like the splendor of Israel,
though destroyers have laid them waste
and have ruined their vines.
3 The shields of his soldiers are red;
the warriors are clad in scarlet.
The metal on the chariots flashes
on the day they are made ready;
the spears of pine are brandished. [a]
4 The chariots storm through the streets,
rushing back and forth through the squares.
They look like flaming torches;
they dart about like lightning.
5 He summons his picked troops,
yet they stumble on their way.
They dash to the city wall;
the protective shield is put in place.
6 The river gates are thrown open
and the palace collapses.
7 It is decreed [b] that the city
be exiled and carried away.
Its slave girls moan like doves
and beat upon their breasts.
8 Nineveh is like a pool,
and its water is draining away.
“Stop! Stop!” they cry,
but no one turns back.
9 Plunder the silver!
Plunder the gold!
The supply is endless,
the wealth from all its treasures!
10 She is pillaged, plundered, stripped!
Hearts melt, knees give way,
bodies tremble, every face grows pale.
Reason: Did you read it properly?? Why is God doing this?
To bring Nineveh to account
To show their(Nineva’s) wickedness to the world
To show their shame to the world
To turn their own evil upon them
Wrath Of God On people who disobey Him
7 Be silent before the Sovereign LORD,
for the day of the LORD is near.
The LORD has prepared a sacrifice;
he has consecrated those he has invited.
8 On the day of the LORD’s sacrifice
I will punish the princes
and the king’s sons
and all those clad
in foreign clothes.
9 On that day I will punish
all who avoid stepping on the threshold, [a]
who fill the temple of their gods
with violence and deceit.
10 “On that day,” declares the LORD,
“a cry will go up from the Fish Gate,
wailing from the New Quarter,
and a loud crash from the hills.
11 Wail, you who live in the market district [b] ;
all your merchants will be wiped out,
all who trade with [c] silver will be ruined.
12 At that time I will search Jerusalem with lamps
and punish those who are complacent,
who are like wine left on its dregs,
who think, ‘The LORD will do nothing,
either good or bad.’
13 Their wealth will be plundered,
their houses demolished.
They will build houses
but not live in them;
they will plant vineyards
but not drink the wine.
The Great Day of the Lord
14 “The great day of the LORD is near—
near and coming quickly.
Listen! The cry on the day of the LORD will be bitter,
the shouting of the warrior there.
15 That day will be a day of wrath,
a day of distress and anguish,
a day of trouble and ruin,
a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and blackness,
16 a day of trumpet and battle cry
against the fortified cities
and against the corner towers.
17 I will bring distress on the people
and they will walk like blind men,
because they have sinned against the LORD.
Their blood will be poured out like dust
and their entrails like filth.
18 Neither their silver nor their gold
will be able to save them
on the day of the LORD’s wrath.
In the fire of his jealousy
the whole world will be consumed,
for he will make a sudden end
of all who live in the earth.”
THe above passage says it all to these Bajrangis and VHP people, read it and know how the Wrath of GOd will be
War against people of God…
Judges 1
Israel Fights the Remaining Canaanites
1 After the death of Joshua, the Israelites asked the LORD, “Who will be the first to go up and fight for us against the Canaanites?”
2 The LORD answered, “Judah is to go; I have given the land into their hands.”
3 Then the men of Judah said to the Simeonites their brothers, “Come up with us into the territory allotted to us, to fight against the Canaanites. We in turn will go with you into yours.” So the Simeonites went with them.
4 When Judah attacked, the LORD gave the Canaanites and Perizzites into their hands and they struck down ten thousand men at Bezek. 5 It was there that they found Adoni-Bezek and fought against him, putting to rout the Canaanites and Perizzites. 6 Adoni-Bezek fled, but they chased him and caught him, and cut off his thumbs and big toes.
7 Then Adoni-Bezek said, “Seventy kings with their thumbs and big toes cut off have picked up scraps under my table. Now God has paid me back for what I did to them.” They brought him to Jerusalem, and he died there.
8 The men of Judah attacked Jerusalem also and took it. They put the city to the sword and set it on fire.
Reason: You can know it, its a WAR and naturally people of God will win… DInt you see wars in Mahabharath and Ramayana??
Worshippers of Evil/God haters will be destroyed
16 You must destroy all the peoples the LORD your God gives over to you. Do not look on them with pity and do not serve their gods, for that will be a snare to you.
17 You may say to yourselves, “These nations are stronger than we are. How can we drive them out?” 18 But do not be afraid of them; remember well what the LORD your God did to Pharaoh and to all Egypt. 19 You saw with your own eyes the great trials, the miraculous signs and wonders, the mighty hand and outstretched arm, with which the LORD your God brought you out. The LORD your God will do the same to all the peoples you now fear. 20 Moreover, the LORD your God will send the hornet among them until even the survivors who hide from you have perished. 21 Do not be terrified by them, for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a great and awesome God. 22 The LORD your God will drive out those nations before you, little by little. You will not be allowed to eliminate them all at once, or the wild animals will multiply around you. 23 But the LORD your God will deliver them over to you, throwing them into great confusion until they are destroyed. 24 He will give their kings into your hand, and you will wipe out their names from under heaven. No one will be able to stand up against you; you will destroy them.
Reason: God created Man in His image and if they start worshipping evil, they will be destroyed. However, this was stopped after Christ had come because of His sacrifice..
Disabled will be made Holy(healed) by God..
16 The LORD said to Moses, 17 “Say to Aaron: ‘For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. 18 No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 19 no man with a crippled foot or hand, 20 or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. 21 No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the LORD by fire. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. 22 He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; 23 yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the LORD, who makes them holy. [a] ‘ ”
Reason: For one of the male descendants of Aaron to serve as a priest he had to be holy in the sense of being free from physical defects. He could not be lame, blind, hunchbacked or have a skin disease. A priest also was restricted in his mourning for the dead and as to whom he could marry. For the high priest the restrictions were even more exacting. There were also restrictions regarding who of a priest’s family might eat of the holy things offered at the tabernacle.—Leviticus, chapters 21 and 22.
Aaronic Priesthood. A lame person who was a descendant of Aaron could not serve in the priesthood, although he was allowed to eat from the things provided for the priesthood for their sustenance. (Le 21:16-23) Jehovah set a high standard of physical fitness for his priesthood, for these represented him at his sanctuary. (Le 21:17-23) So, too, Christ, the great High Priest, was “loyal, guileless, undefiled, separated from the sinners.”—Heb 7:26.
The temple arrangement and priesthood are no longer in operation on earth. If God wishes to set a certain standard, we have to respect it. I don’t believe that he was trying to make those with physical defects feel inferior.
God Kills the Curious(FALSE)
God kills the disobidient
1 Samuel 6:19-20
19 But God struck down some of the men of Beth Shemesh, putting seventy [a] of them to death because they had looked into the ark of the LORD. The people mourned because of the heavy blow the LORD had dealt them, 20 and the men of Beth Shemesh asked, “Who can stand in the presence of the LORD, this holy God? To whom will the ark go up from here?”
Why?? The ark of the LORD is holy and only the anointed person could go and worship the LORD as a mediator for the people(Which Christ is now doing) Hence the High priest was in fear when he went into the most holy place….
Ezekiel 32:5-7
5 I will spread your flesh on the mountains
and fill the valleys with your remains.
6 I will drench the land with your flowing blood
all the way to the mountains,
and the ravines will be filled with your flesh.
7 When I snuff you out, I will cover the heavens
and darken their stars;
I will cover the sun with a cloud,
and the moon will not give its light.
Reason: This is a Prophesy told about people who disobey God… Some believe its a prophesy on the World War 3
Women in Church
11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women[a] will be saved[b] through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
Yes my dear friend, what Paul says is right in this context but the Bible never discriminates men and women… Remember that the women was cursed more by God as she was the first person to sin and also she tempted Adam to sin.. Also, woman in the church will only take away others concentration, thats why even men should wear proper clothes covering his entire body and the same goes to women in the Church.
Cost of Discipleship
Luke 14:26
26″If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.
God by no means says hate your family… But this context is different… If you need to follow Christ(What missionaries are doing) you need to leave everything including your properties and all worldly relationships and give up your life proclaiming the name of God..
The bible also says this
Exodus 20:12 – “Honor your father and your mother so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.” (NIV)
Exodus 21:15 – “Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death.”(NIV)
Proverbs 1:8 – “Listen, my son, to your father’s instruction and do not forsake your mother’s teaching.”(NIV)
1 Samuel 19:9-10
But an evil [a] spirit from the LORD came upon Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand. While David was playing the harp, 10 Saul tried to pin him to the wall with his spear, but David eluded him as Saul drove the spear into the wall. That night David made good his escape.
Did God send the evil spirit to posses Saul?? If it is God’s will to destroy all evil and no evil can stand in His sight because He is all good. Then the answer is no. An evil spirit is just that a spirit looking for a body to enter into and if it finds a house empty of God’s spirit then it can enter. God took His Spirit away from Saul So this gave the evil spirit an opportunity to enter the mind of Saul. Seeing is how He know longer was wearing the Mind of Christ( God) This is why in the last days when cloning becomes a part of the world is going to be a great day of evil because a cloned being has no spirit and this being then can be occupied by a demonic spirit.
Also its only written Evil Spirit from the LORD and not of the LORD… understand the difference dear buddy…
The next two are again regarding to Women being subordinate….
DID YOU FORGET ABOUT SATI?? YOU PEOPLE USED TO KILL THEM DINT YOU??
However I have anwsered to your question above already…
September 30th, 2008 at 6:46 am
@everyone
I have given answers to the misinterpretations of mr Sealion
Now pls dont tell
Brevity is the wit of soul like Deepak….
I responded to SeaLions incredible huge post…
September 30th, 2008 at 6:52 am
Mr SeaLion
Mind your language when you address an issue accross different people.
September 30th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Hi Deepak,
I have very good respect for you and have read throgh your articles in this blog.
My sincere advice is please don’t try your hand in too many issues.
Merely giving some twisted and logical (only understood by very few people, not completely) answers will not take you anywhere and definitely make you an island. None of the articles in this blog has some focus or convincing answers. Most of the times you are evasive or a fence sitter. Your answers show that you are tired and losing your energy.
Our rich Hinduism, replete with rich culture, tradition and rituals, has got powerful religious leaders. They can definitely give powerful and convicing answers. They know when and how to react with long term plans and strategies. Bajrang Dal has no vision and only filled with violent ideas.
Please join your hand with religious leaders, interact with them constantly and come out with long term and benevolent plans for the upliftment of Hindu Society.
We are all “Amratasya Putras”. Then why should we have caste system??? What role you can play now as a Saraswta Brahmin??? Just dont make this a slogan, show the way to implement and interpret properly.
Please take a lead in such burning issues and you can make wonders.
I really appreciate your effort but please take one burning issue, discuss with scholars and religious leaders which otherwise will make you think that your answers are right and final.
September 30th, 2008 at 10:55 am
@ India Rock,
Well, it is very difficult to convince the frogs in the well about the vast ocean. That is what I am trying to do. So sometimes, my answer may seem to be out of focus.
It is quite natural. Anyway, my magnum opus is underway. Do judge me by the book that I am bringing out.
As for the answers here, they are only stop gap. They are not meant to convince but to provoke more thinking among our youths who have been dumbed by the media.
September 30th, 2008 at 10:59 am
@ Bharat Shenoy, Mala Kamath, Rajeev Nair and Sangeeta Shenoy,
I don’t how many more fidayeen bomb blasts will it take for you to be convinced about your love for terrorists?
Anyway, I am an ordinary mortal. I believe in taking both eye for an eye, and a jaw for a tooth.
Best of luck in your lovely mission. As for me, I am a masculine Hindu who is best happy in giving a bloody nose to the terrorists.
September 30th, 2008 at 11:03 am
The Rajeev Nair dogma
Dogma: After reading your article about Osho, I thought you were a sensible person. You are being childish here.
Reality: That is your opinion.
Dogma: I saw in the home page that you were asking Karan Thapar to grow up. Do you think anybody who disagrees with you are below your intelligence?
Reality: Not at all. But if somebody is giving moronish replies, I have no compunctions to call him a moron.
September 30th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Finally, I will defend Bajrang Dal in my next article in a few days.
The pseudosecular media is trying to project Bajrang Dal alongside SIMI.
SIMI is anti-national. Bajrang Dal is patriotic. SIMI is aggressive and terrorist, Bajrang Dal is defensive and dharmic.
I think all Hindus should support Bajrang Dal if they are Hindus and not pseudosecular.
September 30th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Hi Deepak,
You come under the umbrella of RSS, but stay away from Bajarangis. I have personally seen how this same bajarang group indulge in hooliganism during Ganesh Festival procession and how violent they act. RSS has grown on good ideology and has got good foundation of Guruji and Hedgewar and it is a huge Banyan tree.
Bajrang Dal is a militant group without any ideology and constructive approach. They are like planton trees grown in marshy place.
You have got a talent but influenced by violent ideologies. Channelize in a proper way and certainly you will be wonderful leader one day.
September 30th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Reply from sangeetha shenoy
Deepak dogma
Dogma: I will oppose any bitch like you who has the temerity to abuse the Hindu warriors.
Hindu warriors or hindu HIJDAS ?
Warriors donot attack UN ARMED innocent hapless people rape women and burn their houses.
Deepak Kamat Dogma:
You said you are proud that you didnot study in christian institution
But your higher up i mean Chief minister yedyurappa’s son studied in St Joseph’s college. who is pseudo sec ular?. chief minister? or sangh parivar?
Dogma: I am a masculine Hindu who is best happy in giving a bloody nose to the terrorists.
Your masculinity can be judged by your attack on innocent people just because they profess other faith where as real terrorists keep on doing their jobs of planting bombs. Warriors?..my foot…! For these
atackers and rapists the apt word should be NAPUNSAKA DAL. Sounds better right?
September 30th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
i had to send by my home name because my id is blocked by deepak who claims freedom to comment in this blog.
sangeetha shenoy
September 30th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Rajiv Nair,
whoever opposes deepak kamat’s opinion are pseudom secularists or christians or muslims in different id or padre brainwashed who have peanut sized brain.
Hindus can never have independent view which is aginst barbarism narrow mindedness and hate propaganda according to him.
i donot know how small is his brain is but ego …looks like badly injured in some spat with christian neibour. Even hitler was kicked by a jew in his childhood. May be psychatrist would be of help. If mullar’s hospital does’nt admit him then nimhans is the way.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
@Deepak kamat
u said:
“Anyway, I am an ordinary mortal. I believe in taking both eye for an eye, and a jaw for a tooth.”
there is something for u from bible
MATTHEW 15:14
“they are blind leaders of the blind;
and when one blind man leads another,both fall into a ditch.”
this is what is going to happen to ur RSS, VHP,BAJRANGDAL.
almost in ur each blog u say iam fighting for hindutwa??? ask ur self man u r not fighting for hindutwa,u r fighting for ur ego!!!!
u r going to write book is it???
i have a name for ur book,write ur name and at the bottom write published by”NAPUNSAKA DAL” as rightly said by sangeeta shenoy.
@
I am a masculine Hindu who is best happy in giving a bloody nose to the terrorists.
‘kaunsa chakki ka aata kaata hai, bhai??? bisephs kitne he?? dont u feel shy to fight like kids??? i have often heard kids saying “mera muscles deka hai” like that.
‘what is the diffrence betwen u and terrorists,can u pls tell me???
actually u r not brain washed ,u r whitewashed .outside u look good but inside full of hatread. can u tell me u talk about so much hindutwa, then which of ur holy book say to kill others????
did u call christians terrorists??? arre!!! andhe, u and bajrangis doing social service a what???? FYI, people who kill innocent are called terrorists ,not the peaceful people. bachpan me sikaya nahin kya??? thats where u missed christain education!!!
somewhere u said , iam not married. i appreciate that buddy. atleast ur RSS thoughts saved one girl’s life.
i dont understand hw can u people live with such hatred???
@
“Well, it is very difficult to convince the frogs in the well about the vast ocean.”
can a dog convince a frog??? i dont think so!!! buddy if talk to a tamilian in bojpuri can he understand??? thats the diffrence between u and us. we talk about peace and love,u talk violence.
tell me onething,is it possible to have day and night and same time?? ofcourse not. so love and hatred can not live together.FYI, hatred can understand love, but once a person has love he will not understand violence.
@
“As for the answers here, they are only stop gap. They are not meant to convince but to provoke more thinking among our youths who have been dumbed by the media.”
In some of ur comments u said christians provoked hindus or so called bajrangis. as per u it was wrong right??? then how is it right when u provoke others?? were u a monkey before??? gulati bahut maartha he yaar tum!!!
why are u angry on media?? do u think everybody is like u?? u make all false accusations on others,when they show the actual thing it hurts you why???
some people dont practice what they preach.
i think u should change the name of RSS. make it RAUDI SEVA SANG. that suits u and all ur friends.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
@
SEALION
arre maaamu phir aagaya tu!! beta ithna tension math le.
i have a good answer for ur comments. u know what?????
guess!!!!!
dimaag lagana maaamu!!!
answer is
same to you!!!!
arre dont scratch ur head man.
buddy when we love christ, whatever u say it dosent affect us,because we know the truth.
next time when u get tensed go to toilet and release some tension and then write ur comments okey beta!!!
if u twist words from bible can u change the truth??? the more you twist the more we will correct it and we get an opportunity to talk about our jesus christ. so go ahead, read bible whatever it is u read it to twist the words or not. those same words will twist ur tounge one day.
MARK 7:20-23
“it is what comes out of a person that makes him unclean.for from inside,from persons heart,come the evil ideas which lead him to do immoral things,to rob, kill, commit adultry,be greedy and to do all sort of things;deceit,indecency,jealousy,
slander, pride,and folly all these come from inside a person and makes him unclean”
JOHN 11:9-10
“whoever walks in broad daylight doesnt stumble,for he sees the light of this world.but if he walks during night he stumbles,because he has not light”
did u understand something????
no!! dimaag me goosa bara hua he tho kaise samjega??????
whatever u wrote did u learn from ur parents or ur so called hinduism????
arre maamoo ek baat bata-
yeh tumhari aadat hai kya,tum bachpan se aisa he????
chill man!!!!!!
September 30th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
@ Deepak kamat
“SIMI is anti-national. Bajrang Dal is patriotic. SIMI is aggressive and terrorist, Bajrang Dal is defensive and dharmic.”
buddy do you know the meaning of patriotic and dharmic????
can you please sincerely write the meaning of above words in ur next comment.
its not for me ,let everbody know which dictionary you use!!!
and pls write the name of the dictionary too.
SIMI is aggressive!!!! and bajrangdal is defensive??? really
dont watch too much cricket man,that defensive word suits cricket not u and bajrangis.
did u kill so many innocent in orrissa in ur defence????
as per i know defence is only when someone attacks you,do you people defend by attacking others??? FYI, killing is satanic not dharmic.
if u defend by killing and raping innocent ,then its our birth right to kill ur parents and rape ur sisters isnt it??? u have done enough violence for which we can defend. am i wrong?????
i thought u r educated.if a educated person is like u then i feel happy for those people who still have not seen school.
just tell me the diffrence between u and an animal???? i think animals are better than you because they attack only when they have been attacked. atleast god has given them some brain to think. but you have sold ur brain to so called hindutwa.
then its better to live with animals than living with humans like you isnt it???
anyway write the meanings of those 2 words.
waiting for ur comments.
September 30th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Dear Rayan, pls let the form know, that which school you did your schooling from ?
ha ha
You are much inspired by movies it seems….mamu and all that scrap that you have used …..ye auron pe kichad uchhalana kahan se sikha hai ?
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* Talking about Hindus and Hindu appeasement is dangerous and Communal; Talking about Muslims and Islam is Secular;
* BJP freeing 3 terrorists to save Indian hostages was Shameful; Freeing 4 militants to save the life of the daughter of a minister [Rubina Sayed] was a Natural Political dilemma;
* Attack on Parliament was the result of BJP ineptitude; Not hanging Afzal Guru,the mastermind despite Supreme Court orders is due to Humanity and Political dilemma;
* BJP questioning any religion is communal; Congress questioning Lord Rama existence was simply a Clerical Error.
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Recent terrorist attacks have been proved to have direct links with SIMI.
Have you ever heard such things about any hindu org like Bajrang dal.
Shame on you, you call yourself Indian and are praising anti Indian…
I think your relegion have some different so called “dictionaries”.
October 1st, 2008 at 1:55 am
@ All pseudosecularists in this site (I won’t name them. They are dime a dozen).
I will continue to support Bajrang Dal as long as you continue to support Jehadi/Evangelical/Maoist/Capitalist terrorism in the guise of human rights and pseudosecularism.
October 1st, 2008 at 1:57 am
@ All,
I have never blocked anybody in this site. I don’t believe in censoreship.
In fact, the more I am criticised, the better it is for my movement.
All great ideas pass through three stages — Riddicule, Opposition and finally acceptance. Hindu internationalism is passing through the first two.
October 1st, 2008 at 2:20 am
SANGEETHA SHENOY
Reply
Deepak dogma:
SIMI is anti-national. Bajrang Dal is patriotic. SIMI is aggressive and terrorist, Bajrang Dal is defensive and dharmic.”
Reality:
SIMI is terrorist organization indeed because it attacks unsuspecting people all in the name of religion. Bhajrangdal is even worst a terrrorist because it not only attacks helpless innocent people in the name of religion but also is sponsered by BJP governments.(Not only money power but also police protectin and all possible help to the terrorists.) It is even worst as it rapes women too. They are misusing veer hanuman’s name for vicious plans. Who will speak about the insults they are causing hanuman? Did hanuman rape women?.Gujarat and orissa are examples of these rapists who should be thrown out or hanged like SIMI terrorists.
Deepak kamat dogma
SIMI is aggressive!!!! and bajrangdal is defensive??
With this statement Deepak wants to undermine peoples’ intelligence. Deepak wants to prove sun is moon and wants people to believe it too. Vicious plans of terror of bhajrangdal which is based on aggression and violence (directed only against un- armed innocent people who donot retaliate) is not naive to anyone .
Our country luckily does’nt have thse napunsakas as soldiers or our country’s defense would be any for one’s guess because these would show their legs to their bum if they see armed enemy country.(they can only attack innocent un-armed and non-retaliating people).
These hijda community is shraap for our hinduism which is like cancer which would eliminate it if we donot cut it and uproot it with the roots along with all its admirers and perpetrators.
October 1st, 2008 at 2:35 am
Deepak kamat Dogma:
All great ideas pass through three stages — Riddicule, Opposition and finally acceptance. Hindu internationalism is passing through the first two.
Reality:
It is indeed mockery of peoples’ intelligence indeed. Just like you may be SIMI and other terrorist organizations may be day-dreaming that opposition to them is just 1st and second phase. If it is true then it is no shock that u end up preaching in a mosque or conducting newlife speech. Your own logic.
October 1st, 2008 at 2:59 am
Deepak Kamat
Today’s news paper the Hindu..
http://www.hindu.com/2008/10/01/stories/2008100161861400.htm
This shows the level of degradation of these fundamentalist fools who claim conversion done by missionaries is forciblle.
Cancer of hinduism is not conversion but these bhajrangdal,rss and sangh parivar who insult our religion by taking hinduism and hanuman’s name for their dirty games.
I agree with you sangeetha shenoy, rajiv nair, mala kamat that these are not desh bhakts but kaayars who donot have guts to attack armed pakistan by joing military but take pride in raping nuns,killing priests, beating up minority communities and burning their houses. They say that this is hinduism.
October 1st, 2008 at 3:05 am
Deepak,
You are misunderstanding most of your criticizers here. You are too deep into your own ideas of right & wrong to see the other side. Most people here are not anti-Hindu.
Atleast I am not a supporter of Islamic terrorism or senseless Christian proselytizing. I am myself a critic of Islamic violence (both current and past), and have have been at the receiving end of more vulgar words from Muslims than that of SeaLion here.
The problem of Islamic fanaticism & terrorism is a world wide problem today. There is nothing specifically anti-Hindu in this. The Islamic fanatic mindset is very similar to what VHP/BD and even you shows. Fight against anybody who disagrees with you.
You speak about Masculine Hinduism. Its a good thing to be courageous and defend yourself. But when & against whom?
We could have appreciated your masculinity and courage if you were showing it in Kashmir when Kashmiri Pandits are butchered and chased away in bulk. We could have appreciated your courage if you identified the ones who set Godhra train on fire and then dealt with them.
Where was masculine Hinduism when temples were destroyed by Islamic invaders?
What you people are doing is something else. To hide your impotence in genuine situations (both present & past), you are showing your strength among innocents. Not to speak about the political motives.
Its not masculinity but foolishness, shame and barbarism to do things like:
1) Inciting ignorant tribals to violence against unarmed nuns and priest.
2) Gangraping unarmed innocent Muslim women just because some other Muslims set Godhra train on fire.
3) Spreading lies against other communities and religions.
4) Organizing planned voilence at mass levels against selected communities.
5) Selectively pointing out Historic incidents to show other communities as enemies.
6) Calling anybody who disagrees with you as foolish and anti-Hindu.
7) Claiming things like Taj Mahal was build by Hindus (Tejo Mahalya), theory of relativity, speed of light, etc. are in Vedas.
The kind of Hinduism you are envisaging is a Taliban like Hinduism, wherein you expect everyone else to agree and follow your concept of right & wrong. And you try to show your masculinity against anybody who disagrees. And most shamefully, the masculinity comes out only when the other side is far weaker.
October 1st, 2008 at 3:24 am
How can you shamelessly support comments of SeaLion, like:
-> Kill all Christian/Muslims
-> Throw Christians & Muslims out of India.
A couple of weeks ago I was seeing a news item about one Major Joby Mathew killed by terrorists in Kashmir. How he lead his group against terrorists after getting wounded and sacrificed his life for the country.
A lot of Christian & Muslim (along with Hindus &Sikhs) have fought and died for our country. When VHP/BD hooligans are showing their masculinity against innocent women, members of groups you hate have been dying for your sake. When you people where doing circus wearing shorts, atleast a few of those who hate were dying for you. They never died for Christians/ Muslims alone but for the large India which is made up of Hindus, Christians, Muslims, Sikhs and many more groups.
Do you expect sensible Hindus to support this kind of nonsense?
October 1st, 2008 at 7:11 am
@ hindustani
“Dear Rayan, pls let the form know, that which school you did your schooling from ?”
You are much inspired by movies it seems….mamu and all that scrap that you have used …..ye auron pe kichad uchhalana kahan se sikha hai ?
Dont worry about my schooling, i have studided in renowed school/college etc.i dont want to prove it okey????
calling somebody a maamoo is kichad is it???? then ur chaddi dost sealion is reciting shlokas a what???? did i use any bad words anywhere???? maamoo ko maamoo nahin kahega tho,kya kahega????
FYI, dusro pe kichad uchalna meine tum jaise hidustani se sikha hai, tumhe koi problem he kya????
when u show fingers to others first remember other fingers are pointing at you.are you impressed by sealion and his abuses????? you ask about my schooling right?? did your school taught u to abuse others. or u r also anpad.
yes iam impressed by lots of hindi movies, do u have any problem??? then apni poonch andar daalke ghar pe bait, ya sealion ka chela banja.shayad aage koi fayda hoga.
wash ur plate first, others know hw to wash theirs okey!!!
samajgaye circuit?????
October 1st, 2008 at 8:28 am
Is this masculine Hinduism or barbarism?
Nun Gangraped in Orissa
October 1st, 2008 at 9:06 am
@ Rajeev Nair:
1. First, I am glad that you are a Hindu. Great. Be proud of our common heritage, Sanatan dharma. Sanatan dharma would be there as long as its followers are there. Bharatvarsha would be there as long as followers of sanatan dharma are there. This is what Swami Vivekananda said.
2. You said, Sangh parivar hates those, who don’t go by there saying. To me, no sane person would agree with your opinion. You are simply parroting what sangh-haters, hindu-haters writes and speaks. But again, thats your opinion.
3. You talked about hate, but I don’t see any of your messages devoid of hate. Is it, your hate means love, and other opinions you call hate? When logic and reasoning takes backseat, hates becomes the only art of expression. If speaking truth is hate, then one have to stop speaking truth.
4. You may have different opinions than mine or others. Let we respect opinions. We Hindus fight among ourselves and enemys rule us. Do you find this among other religious communities? No.
Christian missionaries destroyed culture after culture and doing in India today, but not a single christian criticised their fellow followers. So as muslims, they are united when their community issues and interests are involved.
Why we Hindus, instead of united voice, we start fighting among ourselves? It is easy to target Hindus, as they are soft and polite. If someone speaks out truth, hundreds will scold him declaring him communal, fascist, nazist, and whats not. Why not have guts to fight against barbaric Jihadi terrorists, who carrying out serial blasts and chrisrtian missinary terrorists, who unleased an open war on Hindus? Oh, muslims are hard, they will behead me or my childrens. And chrsitian missioanries, I will not talk. My childrens study in chrsitian missioanry schools or I have other interests.
At no point in time, there was more than 15000-20000 English men in Bharatvarsha [from Burma to Afghan border and Sri Lanka to Tibet (Tibet was British India protectorate)] in their long 190 years rule. How they ruled such a vast geography and people? Simply due to the divisions among Hindus, we allowed them to rule than uniting ourselves. Same thing during muslim rule, a section of Hindus worked under them as sub-ordinate power and collaborators.
5. Why not you analyse the cause of rise of Hindu nationalism and its different organizations? Look back, what Gandhiji did to the nation after taking over the reign of INC. Very first act he did, started Khilafat movement. Why? How does Turkish Khalipha had to do with India’s freedom movement? List goes on.
Then partion of the Bharat, 22% people got about 30% landmass called Islamic Pakistan. There were about 30% Hindus in two part Pakistan. They were ethnically cleansed. Today, less than 1% Hindus in Islamic Pakistan and living as third class human beings, and less than 6% in Islamic Bangladesh.
At time of independence, there was not a single area in NE India which was christian majority. Now, three states with christian majority and no Secualrism applies there. Can you make one Hindu as CM in Nagaland, Meghalaya, and Mizoram? But, in hindu predominant Andhra Pradesh (where less than 1% christian) a chrsitian Samual Reddy rule the Hindus. If Hindus speak out this, then they are hate-mongerers. If they silently accept such pervert sickularism, they are nice secular good hindus.
6. I don’t wish to go further. Please respect other Hindus way of doing things, even that dose not go with your ideology. If you can’t tolerate other Hindus way, why shall others care your way? Please do what good you can do, and let others do what they can do. Doing is important, not merely arguments.
Bharat’s freedom movement was carried out by different ideological groups and no one’s contribution is less significant than others. Gandhiji is as important as Netaji as Khudiram as Bhagat Singh as others.
Dharma rakshati rakshitah (Dharma protects those, who protect dharma).
October 1st, 2008 at 9:38 am
Dear Bharat,
Gandhi may have his faults. I too don’t appreciate his Muslim appeasement. But at any rate he was a greater person than most of us here. We should not forget that without Gandhi and other eminent leaders like Bose, Patel, Nehru, etc. there would not have been a single India. What we know as India would have be atleast a dozen different countries.
Please tell me on what is the great thing that VHP & BD is doing with the silent support of BJP & RSS?
I just pasted a link on the Gang rape of a nun in Orissa. Add to that the many other atrocities in Gujarat and Orissa done in the name of Hinduism.
Can you sincerely stand on a public platform and claim these as your achievements/milestones in defense of Hinduism?
Please don’t say that VHP & BD are innocent in these things. Why was VHP repeatedly blaming the murder of the Swami on Christians? Now it turns out that it was done by Maoists. Can VHP/BD/Deepak/YOU undo the damage being done?
Most of the activities of VPH & BD cannot be considered as “different way of doing things” or “another opinion”. Its nothing more than human rights violation against the law of the land.
Its impossible to accept hooliganism as other Hindu’s way of doing things. For such barbarity is no way related to Hinduism. And if thats Hinduism, I won’t call myself a Hindu anymore.
Can you give me one answer: Why do we see this valiant defense of Hinduism only against unarmed people who can’t retaliate? Why don’t VHP & BD gangs organize defense for Kashmiri Pandits or the suffering Hindus in Bangladesh?
My friend, this is not defense of Hinduism, but slow destruction of Hinduism. The Muslims were boasting about their fighting spirit for many years, now almost every Muslim is ashamed of Islamic terrorism, and they are trying to prove the terrorists are not Muslims!
Do you want Hindus to be ashamed in this manner?
October 1st, 2008 at 9:55 am
Did YSR become chiefminister of AP because he is Christian?
Did Kalam become President because he is Muslim?
NO.
The ethnic cleansing of Hindus in Pakistan & Bangladesh is a fact. Look in any Muslim dominated country you will find this kind of a behavior. Do you want Hindus to emulate this Muslim fanaticism?
Are you not bothered about the long term impact on Hindus and Hinduism because of such violence by fanatics calling themselves defenders of Hinduism?
We Hindus should speak out and protest against any injustice against us. But organized violence against innocent & unarmed people is not at all allowable.
And if at all you believe 1% in Karma, the evil we do will comeback to us (as individuals or as a group) some day or the other.
October 1st, 2008 at 12:22 pm
You do realize that… That book was written by ex-hindu….
Being myself a ex-hindu feel every word in the that book is true…
October 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pm
@Rajeev Nair:
>You have pasted a link on the Gang rape of a nun in Orissa.
1. Now, please paste a link of brutal barbaric killing pictures of 84 years old Swamiji and his 5 deciples (which comprises two women deciples) by the blood-thirsty christian missionary gangs! Be impartial, we will wait to see the link!
2. To us most Hindus (if not all) and many other people, Swamiji was killed by the christian missionary gangs. Swamji was a hindrance in their Soul harvesting business. He was attacked and injured by the missionaries in 2007. No amount of concocted story will work. Could you please provide evidence that Swamiji was killed by the Maoists? We shall approach the Orissa govt and you have to provide evidence before Orissa Investigating team. Tell us, if you are ready to offer evidence?
> The ethnic cleansing of Hindus in Pakistan & Bangladesh is a fact. Look in any Muslim dominated country you will find this kind of a behavior. Do you want Hindus to emulate this Muslim fanaticism?
3. No, Hindus should offer their head before muslims to cut and then say Thank you for beheading us. We now achieved Moksha/Nirvana. Yes, Gandhiji was asking Hindus the same thing. Stating wrongs of Gandhji is not denigration of his good work. Good work will remain good, and bad remain bad. Bad should not white-washed only deceive ourselves. I suppose, Gandhji didn’t asked people before his death that, you should not talk my wrong-doings. Did he?
4. Note, Hindus have every right to defend their people, their houses, their land. No, no, Hindus should run away from their house and give away their properties to attackers and invadors, to remain secular good nice Hindus.
5. The fact is that, Bharatvarsha and Sanatan dharma survived due to Rajput and other Khsatriya (no caste means) warriors bravery and sacrifice. And not due to arm-chair sickular lecturers. Islamic invadors could not break the barriers in 500 years (from 7th to 12 century). One thing Shri Nair, your sickular brothers would not come forward if you or your family in trouble. Those Hindus you call fascists, communal, they are the hindus will save your family, at cost of their own life. This is only truth.
6. Veer bhogya vasundhara, only braves can enjoy the fruits of the earth. Five lakhs Kashmiri Hindus (they called themselves pandits) had to run away from Jihadi butchering, as they are not capable to fight. They lived thiusands years under Dogara and Rajputs protection. Had there been five lakhs Dogras or Sikhs, they would not have run away.
7. Hindus must practice Tit-for-tat policy. That is the only realistic way to protect Bharat and Sanatan dharma. And it is not only Hindus, every society (Americans, Russians, Japanese, Chinese, Europeans, etc) practice this. Why not?
8. Don’t worry about Sanatan dharma. It is Sanatan, no beginning, no end. It is Eternal. It survived 1000 years onslaught from all sorts of invadors. It will survive always, if not due to us, by its own strength.
9. As Swami Vivekananda said, “Have faith in yourself, you will do miracles.” So, have faith in yourself. What you belive what you get. Buddha said, “what you think what you become.”
October 1st, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Sangeeta Shenoy’s pseudosecular dogma
Dogma: It is indeed mockery of peoples’ intelligence indeed.
Reality: It only proves that you are taken in by the media propaganda hook, line and sinker.
Dogma: Just like you may be SIMI and other terrorist organizations may be day-dreaming that opposition to them is just 1st and second phase.
Reality: Read the Koran. The aim of Islam is Dar-Ul-Islam where nobody exists but Islam. So every non-Muslim should be either killed or converted.
Dogma: If it is true then it is no shock that u end up preaching in a mosque or conducting newlife speech. Your own logic.
Reality: It only proves that you know nothing about Hinduism. Read the Vedas and Upanishads before speaking to me.
Finally, my advice to Sangeeta Shenoy.
Grow up, silly girl.
Hinduism is not an excluvist cult like Islam and Christianity. It is a way of life which celebrates diversity.
October 1st, 2008 at 11:52 pm
@ Rajeev Nair,
I wonder how naive you can be.
Rape of Christian nuns is not Masculine Hinduism.
It is pure pseudosecular Indian media propaganda. Do you expect me to be so naive to believe the Indian media?
October 1st, 2008 at 11:54 pm
@ All,
Don’t quote newspaper reports in this site. I don’t beleive in pseudosecular media propaganda.
If media were honest, there would have been no need for me to open this site and write this book.
In fact, the next book that I am writing is about Exposing Indian Media.
October 1st, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Vulgar dogma by Kavita.
Dogma: whoever opposes deepak kamat’s opinion are pseudom secularists or christians or muslims in different id or padre brainwashed who have peanut sized brain.
Reality: I can’t help it if that is the fact.
Dogma: Hindus can never have independent view which is aginst barbarism narrow mindedness and hate propaganda according to him.
Reality: Hinduism is a celebration of diversity. Can you show me a single line in my articles where I have promoted hate?
Dogma: i donot know how small is his brain is but ego …looks like badly injured in some spat with christian neibour.
Reality: That is reflected in your frustration when you said Bajrang Dal is naupansak. I think you are in the habit of lifting Padre’s frock and sucking his cock.
Dogma: Even hitler was kicked by a jew in his childhood. May be psychatrist would be of help.
Reality: Standard pseudosecular line. Comparing HIndus to Hitler. Hitler was a Christian.
Dogma: If mullar’s hospital does’nt admit him then nimhans is the way.
Reality: When you can’t argue, you abuse, is it not?
October 2nd, 2008 at 12:03 am
More pseudosecular dogmas from Kavita
Dogma: Bhajrangdal is even worst a terrrorist because it not only attacks helpless innocent people in the name of religion but also is sponsered by BJP governments.
Reality: Standard lift from pseudosecular propaganda. Hinduism is not exclusivist cult like Islam. HInduism is a celebration of divinity. Bajrangis don’t attack. They only defend. Hail Bajrang Dal. Now don’t compare me to Christian Hitler.
October 2nd, 2008 at 12:18 am
Finally, a request to Kavita aka Sangeeta Shenoy,
I know that you watch a lot of TV (especially CNN-IBN and NDTV). I know both these idiots (Prannoy Roy and Rajdeep Sardesai). Rajdeep Sardesai is amchi Saraswat Brahmin. Both are crooked pseudosecularists.
So please don’t waste my time with your pseudosecular propaganda sourced from NDTV and CNN-IBN. I have better work to do.
Because my next book is on exposing Indian Media.
October 2nd, 2008 at 12:21 am
Pseudosecular dogmas from Sanjeeta aka Kavita,
Dogma: Bhajrangdal is even worst a terrrorist because it not only attacks helpless innocent people in the name of religion but also is sponsered by BJP governments.(Not only money power but also police protectin and all possible help to the terrorists.)
Reality: Direct lift from Teesta’ Setalvad’s anti-Hindu pro-Jehadi slogan. it is a proven fact that all terrorists are Muslims and all Hindus are philosophers. Tell me, how many persons have been killed in Hindu attacks (the answer is 0). How many ahve been killed in Islamic attacks (the answer run into crores).
Dogma: It is even worst as it rapes women too.
Reality: Another pseudosecular dogma. Bajrang Dal has saved number of naive Hindu girls from the conversion trap.
Dogma: They are misusing veer hanuman’s name for vicious plans.
Reality: Bajrang Dal inspiration is Hanuman who protected Sita and burnt Lanka. Hanuman protects the virtuous from the wicked. This is what Bajrang Dal does.
Dogma: Who will speak about the insults they are causing hanuman?
Did hanuman rape women?.Gujarat and orissa are examples of these rapists who should be thrown out or hanged like SIMI terrorists.
Reality: Why don’t you shriek in NDTV like Teesta Setalvad? This is not the platform for pseudosecularists like you.
Dogma: With this statement Deepak wants to undermine peoples’ intelligence. Deepak wants to prove sun is moon and wants people to believe it too.
Reality: That is what the pseudosecular media does all the time. Decondition yourself from the pseudosecular dogma.
Dogma: Vicious plans of terror of bhajrangdal which is based on aggression and violence (directed only against un- armed innocent people who donot retaliate) is not naive to anyone .
Reality: Only the naive believe the pseudosecular propaganda. While it is crystal clear that the world suffered only from Islamic/Christian/Communist and Capitlist terror. Even Swami Vivekananda said that peace reigned until Islam brought a trail of blood and terror in its wake. Now should I believe Sangeeta or Swami Vivekananda?
Dogma: Our country luckily does’nt have thse napunsakas as soldiers or our country’s defense would be any for one’s guess because these would show their legs to their bum if they see armed enemy country.(they can only attack innocent un-armed and non-retaliating people).
Reality: Nice imagination. Unfortunately, it is not true.
Dogma: These hijda community is shraap for our hinduism which is like cancer which would eliminate it if we donot cut it and uproot it with the roots along with all its admirers and perpetrators.
Reality: Now you are showing symptoms of fascism.
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:30 am
The REAL deepak kamat behind the mask
Dogma:He says” I think you are in the habit of lifting Padre’s frock and sucking his cock”
This is his answer to my saying “napunsaks” for sangh parivar’s armed attacks on un-armed innocent people and rapes of nuns.
Now one can really come to know
the real YOU Deepak Kamat.
You are not what you claim you are.
This also
shows your mental state.
You need pity as every one
can guess the real reason for you of
not marrying. It is not definetly
hanuman Bhakti as claimed
by you. Right?
Veer hanuman was never a rapist, nor kaayar who would attack un-armed innocent people. He was’nt napunsak like you either. He did fight ravan ’s army and not the innocent lankans. You know the difference but to admit it you require guts which you lack and that is why i named you “HEDI”
Now let us examine the reason for you to utter the words you said about a woman. Didn’t your mother object you when you were wrong?. Do you call her “cock sucking lady” if she opposed you?. The very thought shows the your deep mind. May be you dream of sucking padre’s cocks as you maynot find any interest in women and may be the frustration is the result of that. Or may be you have had tried with a padre or a mullahs and they kicked you out.( Just like Hitler who carried kick of a jew and developed hatred).
Or another reason may be that
you yourself have that habit of lifing the khaki chaddi and doing the same thing to bhajrangis
and to cover up your problem
you are creating all this hatred.
But please stop taking shelter in VEER HANUMAN for your weakness .
Veer hanuman is Not napunsak like you.
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:40 am
Deepak Kamat is hiding his personal weekness and to cover up he has taken up hate campaign.
Hindu brothers and sisters wake up before our religion gets wiped away completely by these enimies of hinduism who have no “bhakti” and emit dadagiri.
Deepak kamat Dogma:
You claim that you are not product of christian education.
Are you aware Sri Sri Ravi
Shankar of the Art of Living fame and Veerendra Heggade of Dharamastala are products of St Joseph’s college bangalore?
October 2nd, 2008 at 4:21 am
@ Sangeeta Shenoy (I doubt whether it is her real name because girls in my community are dignified)
I told you that I am a masculine Hindu who believes in taking two eye for an eye. You started it first by calling Bajrangis Impotent, so I replied with double vegenance that you are a padre cock-sucker.
Two eye for an eye. A jaw for a tooth. That is the official policy of masculine Hinduism.
October 2nd, 2008 at 4:28 am
The Sangeeta Shenoy dogma
Dogma: Deepak Kamat is hiding his personal weekness
Reality: Can you pray tell me what my personal weakness is? Have you ever seen me till date?
Dogma: and to cover up he has taken up hate campaign.
Reality: There is no hate campaign from my side. I am only stopping the hate campaign directed by the pseudosecular brigade which is anti-Hindu and is aimed towards appeasing Muslims/Christians/left and capitalists.
Dogma: Hindu brothers and sisters wake up before our religion gets wiped away completely by these enimies of hinduism who have no “bhakti” and emit dadagiri.
Reality: So Sangeeta wants people to pray in Temples while Jehadis attack us with bombs. grow up, silly girl.
Dogma: You claim that you are not product of christian education.
Reality: No claims. it is a reality.
Dogma: Are you aware Sri Sri Ravi
Shankar of the Art of Living fame and Veerendra Heggade of Dharamastala are products of St Joseph’s college bangalore?
Reality: If they were, so what?
BTW, how much have the padres paid you for the pro-church propaganda?
October 2nd, 2008 at 4:34 am
An advice to Sangeeta Shenoy,
If you have any intellectual honesty left, please read two books before talking to me:
1. Why I am not a Christian? by Bertrand Russell.
2. Harvesting our Souls? by Arun Shourie.
You are really in the dark. You have internalised the padre poison wholesale.
Grow up.
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:50 pm
@rayan…
you displayed it all !! I would not like to fight with a pig, coz while you are trying to coming out of it, they actually enjoy
October 2nd, 2008 at 4:16 pm
@hindustani
there are lots of dogs in Deepaks comapny.u can join them.after all, all dogs go back to their on omit.
FYI,i also dont fight with hizdas!!!!
dont call urself as hindustani. change it to hizdistani it suits you.
have a nice time
October 2nd, 2008 at 4:38 pm
we should punished all Muslim {urine tube scientist ] , Christians { bread business criminal } and our Hindu black sheep{foolish}
the above 2 community h i v for our innocent hindu
below categories virus for hindu people and himself
medication is encounter encounter encounter
October 2nd, 2008 at 4:47 pm
@ Deepak kamat
“I know that you watch a lot of TV (especially CNN-IBN and NDTV). I know both these idiots (Prannoy Roy and Rajdeep Sardesai). Rajdeep Sardesai is amchi Saraswat Brahmin. Both are crooked pseudosecularists.”
as per deepak all media persons are writting or showing false stories. only deepak is raja satya harishchandra. he only bring out truth, rest all are fools.
do you think 2% christians pay them bribe to show those false stories???
i can well understand ur anger on CNN,IBN,NDTV etc.
truth always hurts u know!!!!
have u done PHD hinduism????
no doubt u must have done ,only PHD guys can write such comments.do u know whats PHD is???
Permanent
Head
Damage
October 3rd, 2008 at 3:06 am
@ Rayan,
Remember, 2 percent Christians in India are backed by the global Police US and global goon Vatican. That makes the difference.
October 3rd, 2008 at 9:44 am
Deepak,
If the USA was so much concerned about Christianity, our Swamis (both the genuine and fraud) would not have had the chance to set their foot on US soil.
Why don’t we Swamis and their Ashrams in a rich country like Saudi Arabia or UAE?
October 3rd, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Deepak,
A lot has been said on this blog and it has made for some interesting late night reading. There are too many things I find unpalatable to talk about all at once. Let me start by questioning the christian propogandidsts on this blog about them propogating with a vengeance their fellow christians’ interpretations of our ancient Hindu scriptures. Just by spouting the same nonsense over and over again on this blog, no right-minded person is going to get indoctrinated into the christian way of distorting the truth. Jesus in the Vedas?? Are these guys for real? Elsewhere, on another blog, I read that according to our Puranas, the other prophet, Mohammad, is apparently what we believe the Kalki avtar to be!
Think about it-it is a well known fact that Christianity is a repackaged religion which freely lifted and plagiarised from existing great religions. The whole spin given to the wonders worked by Moses in the Old Testament qua the Pharoah is illustrative of what these parasites did to the ancient religion of Egypt and have been trying since the unfortunate birth of their cult to do to the only truly great and ancient religion still surviving today-Hinduism. So I ask you this-rather than the Vedas glorifying Jesus, is it not that the bible has freely copied from other religions to paint a picture of a man it believed would be palatable to ignorant people and then forge ahead in the belief that a lie, if spoken often enough, starts to appear to be the truth to the misguided and the imbeciles and the weaklings?
And while we are at it, why target only the Catholics? WHat do you suppose the orthodox christians (including the Syro-Malabar breed in India) is up to? A lot of rubbish is spoken about how these people have still kept their traditions intact and are following the Hindu customs of mangalsutra and many more. It was nothing but a bitter pill that was sugar-coated. The agenda of the missionaries was to convert people by hook or crook, and that they achieved by presenting christianity and Jesus in a form that was more palatable to the native Indian and to fool him or her into conversion. It is that legacy which still continues. Little wonder then that in orthodox churches in Kerala, you find hymns in praise of Jesus being sung in the metre in which the Sama Veda is chanted. Little wonder that in these churches you find Jesus holding a ‘vel’, much like the one held by our deva Muruga with the vibhuti and kumkum to boot!
On the way to Pondicherry recently, I came across a line of people, 5-6 kilometers long, walking along the road all dressed in saffron. It appeared to be a pilgrimage procession to some temple. When I came to the head of the procession, the destination was a temple all right-the ‘temple’ of Mary and Jesus (not a church mind you). Upon closer inspection, I found that a few men were standing at the entrance of the church dressed in the same saffron robes, wearing a rudraksh mala, and at the end of the mala, there dangled an unholy cross! I was aghast and had to go back and ask some of these dreary pilgrims if they knew where they were going. Their response – Mariamman koil (the temple of Mariamman, one of the popular devi deities in Tamil Nadu). Mariamman… Mary temple…am I the only one who sees what an eyewash this is? I tried to find out more but was shooed away by the burly peace-loving servile volunteers at the entrance bedecked in saffron and rudraksh malas, who obviously have no intention other than to serve the poor and help the needy by hoodwinking them and telling them Mary is Mariamman in a westernised avtar! Am I the only one or one of the few Hindus who finds this objectionable? These christian parasites have methodically wiped out all forms of diversity in the past centuries. In the words of the Pope, first Europe, then the Americas, and now Asia. So what is the answer to this evil? Grin and bear it? Certainly not. Rise up in arms and defend ourselves and what us ours? Definitely, emphatically, a resounding YES! So how does one do that? Do we need a Bajrand Dal or a VHP or an RSS today? YES YES YES! If not for anything else, at least to shock the slumbering hindus into activity, to see what is really happening to us and what will most certainly be if nothing is done to stop this. It cannot be only the Bajrang Dal/VHP or the RSS though. Each Hindu family probably needs its own activist. Better yet, each Hindu could be an activist. And to end with a comment on what has sparked this heated and impassioned debate-what happened in Orissa was and is not persecution or an attack. It is a response and a reaction to the waves of persecution and attacks that have been carried out on Hindus and Hinduism for aeons and still continue. Was it right or wrong? That is beyond the point. Every thing has a breaking point, a point of no return. Even if every single Hindu does not feel the same way, there are enough Hindus whose blood is simmering and is very soon going to boil over and that in itself will be something for the infidels (yes, I mean the Christians) to reckon with. When that happens, all their saints and messaiahs and prophet and monetary backing will not be enough to save them. I only hope that happens in my lifetime. At least what the muslims do is open with no pretence and no hidden thorns in a seemingly harmless and beautiful flower. The Christians though are a whole different kettle of fish.
October 3rd, 2008 at 3:46 pm
And one more thing Deepak which I missed in my last post. We do need more people like you as well. I think you are doing a great jod but I also do think that you may feel you are fighting a losing battle or are shouting at the deaf. Not so at all. I am proud of the fact that there are young Hindus today who feel like I do, but we need to understand and acknowledge that it is a long and a difficult task we have ahead. Let us keep the faith (not blind faith which is what most christians have), both in our great religion and in ourselves.
October 4th, 2008 at 12:48 am
Nikki,
What is wrong if christians copy us?. They may practice what they please and they are our own people but with a diifferent God. Yiu should be proud that they are following us and finding our methods of reaching God pleasing. We are a soverrign country and we are free to practice and propagate our faith.
Our nation is not of us hindus. . It is a amalgamation of various religions and we are united against our diversity. this is india’s beauty.This hate other-sect philosophy will make our religion most hated just like islam (because of all these terrorist attacks and fundamentalist taliban like attitude).The glorious hinduism will not be rresurrected as you think with this hate campaign . If you can , do something for the suffering, poor, illiterate being a hindu rather than this hatred which will not lead us anywhere. If every hindu choses violece in evrey family…first it would be christians then muslims, then sicks, then jains, then fellow hindus. Moreover the more you suppress the more it would grow fervently and christianity would be practiced by more hindus if not this violece stopped.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:04 am
Sir,
I am aged 65 a Hindu Orthodox Brahmin. From my child hood itself the Christian preachers are serving volunterly leaflets to all the HINDUS, in train(Moving) Buses and all otyher Busstops and even on the road sides to encourage the Hindus to convert to Christianism. Our HGindu Brothers were so far keep calm and this is the correctr time to give proper reply like this.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:15 am
An advice to Sangeeta Shenoy,
If you have any intellectual honesty left, please read two books before talking to me:
1. Why I am not a Christian? by Bertrand Russell.
2. Harvesting our Souls? by Arun Shourie.
You are really in the dark. You have internalised the padre poison wholesale.
Each person has his own way of thinking. It all depends on the persons’ up-bringing whether he grows into a positive or crooked person. You find books for and against every religion. they will not increase your knowledge. They are sharpening your brain to some part of it by substantiating with some facts to suit your idealogy. If i have to prove hindu a failure religion i can read hindu-hate books or films and can claim as intelligent person just lthe way you do to christainity. Rather see the beauty of that religion and love its people without losing your faith. To aquire that you should have love for humanity which is distorted in you may be because of bad up-bringing.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:21 am
that was rely to self claiming intelligent person deepak kamat . If you have hatred in your heart you can develop it further by studying and equipping yourself with more hatred. There are so many books on love too. It only shows his wicked heart
October 4th, 2008 at 1:21 am
reply
October 4th, 2008 at 1:27 am
sangeetha: Are you aware Sri Sri Ravi
Shankar of the Art of Living fame and Veerendra Heggade of Dharamastala are products of St Joseph’s college bangalore?
Deepak : If they were, so what?
Here i was telling you that the people who come out of christian colleges are not silly hindus as u claimed about your pride that you didnot study in christian institution.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:35 am
What are these konkanis fighting for?. It is they who have taken our business, land and god for their selfish gain.
They are not from our karnataka. they are from goa. They are real napunsaks who flew to coastal karnataka when portuguese attacked them. Have all hindus ran away from goa like they did?. They dont have dum in their bum and talk of saving india. down with these kamats, shenoys, bhats .
October 4th, 2008 at 1:38 am
If at all we have to save ourselves from these outsiders is konkani farce community and save our land from these land grabbers.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:43 am
now these idiots want to take our coastal belt to goa and they have already approached supreme court for hearing. These rougues want to add our karnataka coastal belt to goa because they have sizable number of they and do you know whose help are they taking?. Thses very catholics . down with konkanis and jai kannada.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:46 am
It is high time we coastal karnataka wake up and save our tulu and kannada language regions becoming konkani from thses farce hindu-saviors. They are hypocrites who take help from konkani speaking christian and malabar community and a lot of signature campaigning is going on in karwar gokarna kumta honnavar udupi and mangalore by these konkani double -standard rogues
October 4th, 2008 at 2:11 am
The REAL deepak kamat behind the mask
Dogma:He says” I think you are in the habit of lifting Padre’s frock and sucking his cock”
This is his answer to my saying “napunsaks” for sangh parivar’s armed attacks on un-armed innocent people and rapes of nuns.
He claims further…
I told you that I am a masculine Hindu who believes in taking two eye for an eye. You started it first by calling Bajrangis Impotent, so I replied with double vegenance that you are a padre cock-sucker.
Reality,
As i ponted out ealier This statement shows his wicked state of mind and his intellectual statement to a woman.
I also asked him ” if his won mother opposed him was he calling her “cock -sucking lady” ? for which he has not replied which seems he has accepted it. If a person of dirty mind can tell such a thing to a woman , my hindu brothers please wake up to expose his farce hanuman bhakti , the real being his impotence or may be love of same-sex failure with which has led him to such a situation to hate the complete community for it.
he has not answerd whether hanuman raped women, nor he has replied have they attacked innocent lankans instead of ravan’s sena?.
With this one can conclude that he has taken the guise of “veer hanuman” for his ” napunsak deeds”.
We love our great hanuman who is admired for his heroism and these idiots make him scape-goat for their actions of nepotism.
October 4th, 2008 at 2:13 am
his own mother
October 4th, 2008 at 2:43 am
It is indeed a shameless way adopted by whoever who wrote the pamphlet… There’s no doubt in that…
I saw many hindu brothers who are angry at the contents of the pamphlets. I can understand their feeling. But, if there’s something true in those statements, I think you should apply your logic in those comments.
If we are worshiping a God, at least our logic should verify that he/she has the credentials to be a god.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:14 am
Sangeeta,
You said ’sovereign counrty’ and the right to practise all faiths is enshrined in the constitution, ours being a secular country. Now, this is a forum to discuss the activities of certain Christians who are living in the same sovereign and secular country as us but do not respect other religions and gods, which is what secularism implies. Respect means not distributing pamphlets like the ones we’ve sees on this blog, respect means not decrying other faiths, respect means not brainwashing people ad nauseum that their religion and their god is the ONLY way and all else is crap and hell bound for eternity.
And I’ll tell you why their shamelessly copying us is wrong – it is this nefarious copying which is being used as a tool of conversion among the ignorant masses. IF every padre believes it is his religious duty to ’save’ a heathen, I believe it is my moral duty to rescue people who are being misled and misguided for ulterior motives by those very same padres.
And what may I ask are your credentials, you who so loftily preach that we should work for the upliftment of the poor and illiterate? What have you done other than voicing some very confused thoughts in a somewhat garbled manner on this blog? I am at least giving you the opportunity to enlighten us, but how do you assume straight away that I don’t do what I need to do for the downtrodden and less fortunate? It is these assumptions which are going to be your downfall, on this blog surely and elsewhere, I wouldn’t care to hazard a guess. Let me educate you about something – a person can do all of this and more and his or her blood can still boil over when he or she observes and understands what atrocities are being committed by the christians in the name of their religion. You seem to take pleasure in branding those persons ‘fundamentalists’. Well if that be the case, so be it. It’s a tag I am proud to wear.
If every Hindu chooses violence in every family…it would not as you claim first be christians then muslims, then sikhs, then jains, then fellow Hindus. For centuries we have welcomed into our country and coexisted with other great world religions and have often been pliant to the point of near annhilation, but that has to stop at some point. All we want is for that respect to be mutual. You cannot expect us to bear any and all nonsense in the name of secularism, sovereignty, etc etc. This is the make or break time for all Hindus. It is our existence and our faith and our great religion which is at stake here. So let’s not get carried away or spout ideological crap which is what we’ve been hearing for aeons now.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:21 am
i agree what karunakar shetty has written about the neoptist brahmin community of goa who fled due to fear are now preaching other peaceful hindus to attack. Thses people donot have courage to attack when confronted but are number one in organizing riots. This is brahmin-brain and their domination has been there for centuries and they are the ones who doctrined evil caste system in india.
Nothing will happen to them because they work behind the scene and sufferes are the common people who donate brain to these rascals and end up languishing in jails wher3e as thsese bastards join konkani speaking people and add our tulunadu to goa as they are in sizeable numbers.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:35 am
Nikki’
your reply to sangeetha shenoy is nothing but advocacy of hatred for wrong doing by missionaries. You cannot blame whole community for one person’s mistake. Can’t you find hindu priests exploiting?. Is it right to kill the hindus on that pretext.
Proud hindu is a one who loves and respects the other person even though he is of other sect. WIth loviong deeds he serves the down trodden.
does the society and hinduism prud by doing some beautiful things by serving the mankind but arrogant is the one who doctrines “proud hindutva” but practices evil with hatred in his heart and wants to eliminate other sect and who is dear to god…you ask yourself if you have conscience or have u lost it long way?
October 4th, 2008 at 3:54 am
Mala,
My conscience is intact and in place. The real question is about yours. And I’m not blaming an entire community for one person’s mistake-now that would be silly, wouldn’t it? I’m blaming the for the wrong being done by the MAJORITY of the comminity, for is it not wrong for the good christian to stand by and watch silently when the soul harvesters are committing vile deeds to increase their flock? And I am really giving the christians the benefit of the doubt when I say that they are just standing by silently. Reality is worse. Haven’t we seen the sometimes pitiable efforts of Ajit and his august company to shove ridiculous and christian bullshit down our throats on this very blog till we gag?
What were those words you used…. ‘advocacy of hatred for wrong doing by missionaries’… wow, pretty fancy sounding that. Though I wonder, do you know what it means? Because if you did, you’d not be useing them here in the context of what I have written. But since you’ve tempted me, I’ll just use your very words – would you rather I kept mum and have me advocate LOVE for the wrong doing by the missionaries? Because whether or not you admit it, that is what sitting by silently watching this happen amounts to.
October 4th, 2008 at 7:52 am
Hi Deepak,
Please give up before it is too late. some of your answers resemble words of a frustrated and confused soul. The language is also losing its sheen. Please wake up otherwise this blog will have its own premature death.
Initially I started reading all your articles since I thought a person from a good Sarawsatha community would be very profound and sharp. But there is nothing intellectual, only a merry go around and beating around the bush.
You claim to have read several books but there is a difference between – information, knowledge and wisdom. You are just well informed. Swami Vivekananda had a good wisdom. Remember, you come from a very self ish community, saraswatha, and it is very difficult to shed inhibitions. Don’t talk about the concept of “Amritasya putra”
and if you really mean it start it from your Saraswath temples. Just visit some Lingayath Mathas and you will understand how the society should be. You are unable to see beyond the rim of your plate. Please awake and araise and you will definitely be a good mass leader with an intellectual thinking.
October 4th, 2008 at 8:12 am
For the past few days police have been hunting for Jehadis in Mangalore, Ullala, Manipal and other DK districts. But none of our Bajarang Dal leaders have given call for bundh or organized protest march.
Even there are rumours that some of the madarasas asre breeding grounds for these activities not even a single bhajarang dal activist has collected required information and initiated any attacks to stop the same. Have they not understood the seriousness of the matter?
October 4th, 2008 at 8:35 am
How dare you writing all this things about god. If you don’t want to belive in god than don’t than don’t. But don’t do like this.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
This is an interesting website run by the ALl India christian Council, the self-proclaimed ‘coalition birthed in 1998 to protect and serve the Christian Community, Minorities, and the Oppressed Castes’. To all those people who were questioning and continue to question how conversion can be happening when the number of christians according to the national census is the same or on the decline, please read what this site says about secret converts to christianity. I’d like to see you squirm you way out of this one, considering it is certain pompous and self-righteous members of your breed who have admitted what reality is, in terms of the sheer volumes of christian converts in India today.
Please see http://indianchristians.in/news/content/view/1604/47/
October 4th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Dear Nikki,
I agree with you cent percent regarding the unlawful activities of the wretched Christian gang in our country. When I was in Udupi in the year 2000 A.C.E., a worker under me who was a Hindu sported a cross round his neck.On enquiry, I found that he was paid Rs.100 to wear the hated cross. After advising him not to fall in the Christian trap, I ensured that the symbol of death vehiclewas thrown in the dust bin which it deserved.
In Chennai, the story was different. An auto driver who required alcoholic de-addiction, went to a wretched Father in a Church seeking his assistance. The solution offered to him was simple. The church would give him a free auto, give education to his two children in a mission school and bear all the expenses for his de-addiction programme.Very noble Christian help indeed. Condition : He and his entire family should convert. For some reason (may be his wife believed in Hindu Gods)’ they did not agree till date. Half of his wife”s family members have already become christians because of money offered.
It is time, these foreign mercenaries are put in their place.
Recently, when I was in Kerala, I stayed in a church premises. Hindu orphan boys and girls are herded to-gether in the name of Bible Studies, converted. Group, photos were taken for despatch to the white rascals abroad with a view, perhaps, to collect the money. One white women was present to monitorthe programme.
Chritianity has no inherent merit. It is being marketed with money from overseas. In Europe and the U.S., it is already perishing. Unfortunately, the demise of Christianity in these places is giving rise to Islam. This is the tragedy.
October 5th, 2008 at 1:20 am
@ All,
Don’t judge me prematurely. I am busy writing the book. Judge me after that. Meanwile, cotinue with your arguments here. I will organise a forum for this in te community soon.
Meanwhile, nobody has been able to counter me when it comes to Christian fundamentalism. All that I have been getting is personal abuses.
October 5th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Good details. Why can’t such book be banned and the author be punished?
October 5th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Kamat>>>nobody has been able to counter me when it comes to Christian fundamentalism>>>
Counter in what.. Killing and gang-rape??
Rather,you have to present your counter view about the hand-out which you feel is denigration hindu gods. True God,doesnt need a man or his creation to prevent him, The Creator. Instead of debating and presenting your view, the hindos in M’lore have resorted to terror,which no way better than SIMI..
Now I would appreciate if you could answer to my questions..
Can gods be Unholy? God who is believed to be of All Powerful with the trait of Absolute Holiness,Righteousness & Justice, would resort to this kind of unholy acts explained in the tract ?
Let Bajrangdal join in a philosophical/metaphysical debate to prove those points wrong, instead of resorting to murder/torching alive/rape ..
October 5th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
>>>>All the 16 incidents that took place were not attack on Churches
Stop telling lies.. The whole world knows,that the hindu Bajrangdal mob attacked the 350 year old Milagres Church ..Its not new,, even Tipu Sultan attacked the same church..
Now I can only relate Hindoos with Moslems,when it comes to the acts of terror..
October 5th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Hinduism is drowning. it will have its premature death because of these selfish idiots who proclaim themselves as saviors where as in reality they donot believe in any god or godess’. for them religion is way to attack , un-retaliating, help-less, innocent christians which should be criticised by all god-fearing people.
We are not Taliban. Its the duty of the government and state bodies to protect the people but it is sad indeed that bjp ruled states have other agenda in their mind.
It is not missionaries who are doing religious conversions but it is these dongi bhajrangis’ with their latis and rapes and burning of houses forcing people . It is high time the centre banned these evil forces before the world loses hopes on hinduism and we have not left with any morals to tell the children.
The word “napusansaka sena” may sound a bit embarassing for bhajrangdal but by the nature of their deeds there is no doubt about it that when it comes to real fight they are the ones who will run first but when they are 100% sure the enemy is week and will not fight back then only their so called “masculinity” ” two-eyes for an eye” dialogues can be heard.
Instead of looking at the good work the christians do and follow the same and improve our hinduism, these “pea-nut” brained , “self-boisterous”, idiots want to take lord hanuman’s name and destroy his image by comparing his heroic deeds of fighting lankan army to these rapes, burtning houses of innocent christians.
THE REAL DENIGRATION OF HINDU GODS” AND GODESSES” IS NOT BY MISSIONARIES BUT BY THSE IDIOTS WHO VIRTUALLY TELL THAT THEY ARE HANUMAN FOLLOWERS AND INSULT OUR HINDU FAITH by KILLING , RENDERENIG THOUSANDS HOMELESS BY BURNING THEIR HOUSES, GANG RAPING NUNS ETC.
WAS OUR HANUMAN STOOPED SO LOW AS TO RAPE?
THESE ARE REAL DESH_DROHIS WHo wants to prove us otherwise.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
>>>If you have any intellectual honesty left, please read two books before talking to me:
1. Why I am not a Christian? by Bertrand Russell.
2. Harvesting our Souls? by Arun Shourie
>>>
There are quite a lot of philosophical writings/books which has come out in the last century to give a convincing answer to Bertrand Russels writing..
But how many Kamats have the intellectual ability to respond to the book “Why I Am Not A Hindu” written by Dr.Kancha Ilaiah… I’m sure you would not attempt, cos you would stand self exposed with your caste hegemony .
I thought this guy, KAMAT is an intellect, when I glanced this site.. He claims he is writing a book too… This fellow has no intellectual thinking or knowledge too..I can sense from his response.. A best person to join BajrangDal or RSS.. not for intellectual debate.. He has ducked many of my questions in another thread.
October 5th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
kavita /sangeetha shenoy
Created new ID just to post my views
Your book will bite the dust just the way your farce nature is Deepak kamat. Your hypocrysy -every one knows by now.
It has also come to eveyone’s guess that who are the real authors of those literatures are. And it was a well planned strategy and not retalliation as claimed by these rogues. Well organized so that simultanius attacks were planned everywhere.
similar to the organized attacks by simi. Right?
When the mind is wicked it will do all that is possible to substantiate it.
One more thing..
Even though mahendra kumar accepted bhajrang dal’s role in attacks ,home minister kept on denying it. ( reason is obvious. Many may not be knowing that he is founder member of rss in south india)
Latest news for those who falsely claim christians murdered swami is orissa and the attacks were results of the same.
maoist leader has openly claimed again on camera responsibility for killing of swami and his followeres and the reason for it too
but these rougues are still killing innocent christians, raping, burning houses etc. which is planned attack and they are using this an opportunity to attacks
Hinduism’s cancer is these napunsak-bhajrangis.
it is time we cut them and throw them to save hinduism.
October 5th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
The question is what is the stand of christianity/bible/jesus towards non christians.
The answer is plain and simple:
Hatred, conversion, violence, genocide.
There is no place in India for such hate filled barbaric system. The ultimate expression of Christianity is in nazi beliefs where the non-christian is horrendously killed. The same thing happened in Goa some centuries back.
Now Christianazis are back through the backdoor with their evil genocidal mission of massacring Hinduism.
We need to confront this violent believers of dead corpse in the language is knows. Dharma only protects those who protect dharma. Christianity is evil, devil obssessed adharmic system. Even the west has largely done away with this christianazi system.
October 5th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Venkat>>>The question is what is the stand of christianity/bible/jesus towards non christians.
The answer is simple. Spread the message of Jesus Christ, and follow his teachings,lead a good life,and reach towards the True God. But any genocide or inquisitions happened, we all should condemn it, as is definitely against the teachings of God. Christ never took sword
>>>Dharma only protects those who protect dharma.>>>
If you want to protect the ideology of Dharma with violence/rape/murder/torching alive etc, then there is very little to claim that, dharma ideology could be right,cos it violates the fundamental rights of the human being.
>>>ultimate expression of Christianity is in nazi beliefs >>>
Christ stood all man kind, not just for one particular community..But Hitler was interested in his own race,Aryan Ideology, similar to our Brahminism. Don’t forget, Hitler’s symbol was Swastika
October 6th, 2008 at 2:24 am
@ Sapr333
Hitler was a Christian who killed Jews because of his Christian conditionings. Hitler was in no way closer to Brahmins.
In fact Hitler told the Pope of his time: “I have only done what the Church has always done”.
So it is the CHurch which is closer to Hitler’s genocide, not Hinduism. Get your pseudosecular tail straight.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:53 am
Deepak kamat dogma:
Hitler was a Christian who killed Jews because of his Christian conditionings. Hitler was in no way closer to Brahmins.
In fact Hitler told the Pope of his time: “I have only done what the Church has always done”.
So it is the CHurch which is closer to Hitler’s genocide, not Hinduism. Get your pseudosecular tail straight.
Reality”:
Hitler was a born christian but didnot follow it after 7th grade.he shun it because his brain was similar to that of RSS which was based on hatred.
If he has challenged pope about his his deeds ( according to you) then that itself shows he is against christians.
I agree with Sapr333’s view that his idealogy was similar to RSS.
Now these rougues want to ruin veer hanuman’s legacy by putting bad picture of him by their napunsaka deeds.
October 6th, 2008 at 7:24 am
Hitler to the Pope:
“I have only done what you have done but only better.”
This is a quote recorded by historians. Hitler’s Christian conditioning has gone very deep.
Just because he is a fascist does not mean that he is not a Christian. RSS was nowhere in the scene during the Nazi holocaust.
October 6th, 2008 at 7:55 am
5 held for distributing provocative pamphlets
25 Sep 2008, 2112 hrs IST,PTI
COIMBATORE: Five staff of a school in Chennai, including its principal, have been arrested for distributing pamphlets “propagating” Christianity and “degrading” Hindu gods in the city following complaints by the BJP and Hindu Makkal activists.
Police said a group, including students, of East Coast Christian Matriculation School in Neelankarai had come on a tour to Udhagamandalam and the city on Tuesday night and parked their vehicle at Corporation grounds on Crosscut road.
As the students and some teachers left for shopping, the five persons started distributing pamphlets “propagating” Christianity and reportedly “denigrating” Hindu Gods, they said.
Some BJP and Hindu Makkal Katchi activists came at the spot and handed them over to police demanding registration of non-bailable case of attempt to create communal hatred, police said.
They were produced before a court on Wednesday afternoon and sent to 15-day judicial remand, they said.
Meanwhile, the students and some teachers, who returned from shopping, were later sent to Udhagamandalam and from there they had left for Chennai, they added.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/5_held_in_Chennai_over_pamphlet_row/articleshow/3528164.cms