Masculine Hinduism vs Feminish Hinduism
by Deepak Kamat ~ September 26th, 2008. Filed under: Uncategorized.
These days I meet several Hindus who say that they don’t endorse violence in the name of Hinduism. I respect their views… but I will never talk to them because I believe in masculine Hinduism. Soft, wishy-washy, namby-pamby Hinduism does not work all the time. At a time when Hinduism is reeling under jehadi terrorism, evangelical manipulations, global machinations and intellectual terrorism of NDTV-CNN combine, we need masculine Hinduism.
Who are the mascots of masculine Hinduism. Undoubtedly, it is Swami Vivekananda for the modern times whom I consider as the father of modern Hindu nationalism. Then for old-timers, we have Rana Pratap, Shivaji, Ranjeet Singh who made Muslims bend on their knees during a time when Islamic terrorism ruled the roost. And then there is my favourite Chandrashekar Azad who sent a chill down the British spine even when the odds were against him.
As a masculine Hindu, I still believe in the age-old wisdom of Upanishad — Ahimsa Paramodharmaha (Non-violence is the greatest virtue). However, non-violence does not mean being a sitting duck to Islamic-Christian-Left-intellectual terrorists. Self-preservation (Atma Rakshan) is also our greatest dharma.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in striking at the base of terror. There is nothing wrong in defending yourself. There is nothing wrong in a good fight.
That is why I support Narendra Modi and his ilk. May their tribe increase. And I wish that those who fight for terrorist rights also spare a thought for Hindu victims who are not in the media glare.
I may sound old-fashioned. But if truth is old-fashioned, it is not my fault.
September 26th, 2008 at 5:19 am
Take your dogmas and shove it up to your ass from where it came.
September 26th, 2008 at 5:57 am
^^^
You do it all the time. Is it not?
September 26th, 2008 at 10:36 am
@ Deepak:
Ahimsa Paramo Dharmah is half statement (so, it does not reflect the whole truth).
The full statement is like:
Ahimsa paramo dharmaha, Dharma himsa tathaiva cha.
Which means, “Non-violence is the greatest Dharma,” “So too is all righteous violence.”
OR
“Non-violence is the highest principle, and so is violence in defense of the righteous.”
OR
“Try to follow Non-violence and given no choice follow violence (for protect your self).”
(I am still searching the source/origin of this statement, you may enlight us if you know)
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Here is an article by the Swami Chinmayanandaji.
DHARMA HIMSA TATHAIVA CA
http://www.chinmaya.org.nz/Articles/Swami%20Chinmayananda/11.htm
Exceprts:
Personally, I am no advocate of violence. But violence, too, has its rightful place in life, life does not preclude death.
Ahimsa Paramo Dharmah. This is the opening line of a stanza, and the very next line reads: Dharma himsaa tathaiva cha. “So too is all righteous violence.” …If only we all learn that dharma - himsa is equally noble as ahimsa.
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PS. I feel, you need to moderate the messages. One may view her/his opinions, but no place for vulgarity, abusive language and personalised attacks.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:42 am
@ Bharat,
I know it is from Upanishad. Don’t know the exact source. But I will find it out soon.
There a site which has all Hindu scriptures. You may search there.
http://www.hinduwebsite.com
As for comments moderation, I personally don’t believe in censoreship. Let vulgarities remain, let personal attacks remain. It is a part of the game in the internet domain.
October 1st, 2008 at 12:05 pm
The Vedic prayer has always been
1 Tejosi, Tejomayi dehi
2. Balamasi, Balammayi dehi
3.Manyurasi Manyurimayi dehi
4. Sahosi, sahomayi dehi
It means oh! God, you are powerful, resplendent, angry against unjust and tolerant towards good. The prayer invokes god to sanction us the strength. Had Hindus understood the term Veerabhogya Vasudanra[ only the brave inherits the world] they would have not been in the present pitiable position. Hence, the Hindus should go back to Vedas and learn to conquer the world. Let Hindus join Aryasamaj so that they become strong.
vasudevarao
October 1st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Kamat has tried his best in convincing few people about scriptures.
Dont you think that the stampede at temples now and then are the real Karma for the Hindu did in other part of the country.
If the Chamunda devi is really is in power,then why she has to kill so many people.Do you say that,the goddess was thirsty for blood.
October 1st, 2008 at 3:41 pm
@vinci:
Don’t bring dharma/religion into tragic death of any religious communities. Stay away for soul harvesting business in times of peoples agony and suffering.
Why the hell on earth, hundreds of thousands chrsitians killed each other in Two bloody World Wars in Europe and the west? Was not chrsitian God Jesus a blood thirsty? If that fella Jesus was so powerful, why does they killed each other in millions? Where was that fella Jesus during 11 Sept in New York? Was he waiting for bloods of 3000 people? Now, that fella drinking bloods of hundreds of thousands muslims in Iraq, under the command of christian US? US presidential candidate Palin told, its Gods work to send US soldiers in US (she copied her statement from Hitler).
Learn to respect others way of life, if you expect to get respect in return. Leave Hindus alone. Live and let others live.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:20 am
@ Kavita,
Hindu violence is just a creation of pseudosecular media.
Christian barbarism is a historic fact.
In fact, Bajrang Dal violence is peanuts when compared to Christian genocides. Read Bertrand Russell.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:46 am
Deepak Kamat Dogma: he advices every one to Read Bertrand Russell.
Looks like bertrand russel has become bhgavadgita for the eunuchs. If hindus donot revolt against these napunsakas then its ruin cannot be stopped. Veer hanuman ’s name is mis-used for their wicked deeds and god is not silent spectator watch it you rogues.!!!!!
We are ashamed of your deeds napunsakas’ !!, because you are using our holy religion for burning innocent people alive and raping women.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:59 am
deepak kamat dogma:
Hindu violence is just a creation of pseudosecular media
Every one who opposes their vicious plans are branded pseudo-secularists. Pity on your dharma. deepak kamat is a kayar who has taken up arrogance to hide his personal weakness. Just by fancy-dressing and roaring in tiger’s voice one cannot become one.
get treated first at kankanadi hospital in mental ward and then you may become normal hindu.
October 6th, 2008 at 8:44 am
>>>>Deepak Kamat Dogma: he advices every one to Read Bertrand Russell.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in reading Bretrand Russel, or Fredrik Nietche or even Da Vinci Code. As a seeker of truth, one should also try to read the responses given to these authors by Intellectuals and theologians..That will open up the mind in our pursuit of True God.
If a hand out/billl is distributed about Hindu gods, you should read it and try to prove wrong, instead of resorting to Rape/Murder/Torching. Bajrandal is now getting equated to Islamics,who asks for heads of Rushdie and Danish Cartoonist.
But seriously I doubt, whether hindu scholars can answer them. I also rarely find such literature of debates in internet too, though lots of such debates are available for Islam-Christianity-Buddhism.
October 6th, 2008 at 8:49 am
>>>get treated first at kankanadi hospital in mental ward and then you may become normal hindu>>
If I remember right, its Fr.Muller Hospital…Memebers of Bajrangdal are still welcome there ..
Kavisangeetha, all said and done, one should not resort to personal attacks like this in a debate forum. Please avoid this. Thanks. Lets talk healthily, and make others come out with their view.
October 6th, 2008 at 8:56 am
Deepak Kamat>>>In fact, Bajrang Dal violence is peanuts when compared to Christian genocides.>>>
Pre-renaissance times, every religion grew with the king, ie followed the respective kings religion and faced related wars & killing from opponent.. Its applies to Christian Inquisition, or Buddhist genocide in India (headed by Adi Sankara) or Ottoman empire. Now the mankind has moved forward and civilized a lot.., which talks about human rights, respect for human life,Animal rights, United nation,One world, Super Computer etc etc.
But it seems Bajrang dal wants to take us back by 1000 years. It can take its followers backward, but the worry is , its identifying Nationalism with Hinduism, which is almost attempting to take the whole of Indian country back wards..
October 6th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
sapr333,
i wanted to clear this cancer of hinduism with my straight forward views. it was only after this chakka-warrior called me “padre-cock sucker” i started replying him with his own language which he addresses to his mother whenever she opposes him. I had called the deeds of these warriors is not praise-worthy but cowardy and i addressed them “napunsakas”
anyways, i shall try to keep off from personal attacks hence forth.
October 6th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
This sangh-parivar is a farce. one hand they say cnn-ibn, ndtv are pseudo-seculars and not to paste their articles here on the other hand their party uses cnn-ibn to exose cash-for vote scam.
who are pseudos here?.
We support any hindu who revives hinduism but not these so called warriors. ( they are warriors only against weekest and non-armed)
October 6th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
>>>( they are warriors only against weekest and non-armed)>>
Deepak Kamat, Why not Bajrangi’s attack on SIMI/Mujahideen/Maoists, instead of reciting the hatred Rape/Muder of the poor innocent people?
When Maoists themself claimed on T.V the killing of Orrisa Swamiji, still RSS want to continue the claim that Christians only killed.. Funny!! 12 Lac members of Bajrangi’s, can they head-on with Maoists.. Do you have Balls for this!!
October 6th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
@ All,
This Kavi Sangeetha has now proved herself (or is it himself) to be a liar too.
She first abused me by calling me cunning (in the first place) and she first resorted to vulgarity by terming Bajrangis as “Eunuchs”. It was only then that I hinted that she may be used to sucking Padre Cocks.
Now she is lying by stating that I started it.
So from now onwards, I will call her Pseudosecular liar Kavita.
October 6th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Now Maoists have openly claimed that they killled a Hindu monk for the Christian cause.
So an investigation on the Maoist-Padre terror link should be ordered.
October 11th, 2008 at 2:24 am
Iam a socialist hindu..i work in dubai & i have lot of muslim & christian friends. I like them too. We stay, move around & enjoy with each other with no hatred. And at the same time- none of us preach anything against each other. Thts the nicer side of me.
But in case my rights in my own homeland are under threat- please do expect me to turn against those who are threatening- in a violent way.
In a country where the hindu majority(read Congress) is so soft hearted & so much concerned abt the rights of all the communities..there has to be a fiercer side of the hindus(read Bajrang Dal, Shivsena) to show people that we are not cowards.
And offcourse during a time when majority of hindus are always in competition in blaming other hindus- which the Christians preachers are taking advantage of- it is quite essential for organisations like VHP, Shivsena etc..to take control of the situation.
Else the terrorists, our good neighbors and these christian missionaries will take us HINDUS for granted that we are soft & weak.
Live & let live. if dont let live then face violence..
October 15th, 2008 at 2:40 am
MASCULINE HINDUS OR EUNUCHS ?
Masculine does not mean attacking un-armed, non-retaliating, helpless christians.
The deeds of burning alive, raping, kicking prgnant woman are not deeds of heroism.
Attacking innocent peiple with arms, setting their houses and places of worship on fire, burning them alive are deeds of “EUNUCHS of hinduism”, and Deepak Kamat is one among them.
Hinduism is denigrated by this scoundrel because he has been using “hinduism, swami vivekanand, and veer hanuman” for maligning it.
Well i am a right minded hindu girl, doctor by profession and would write by offensive language to these rougues of hinduism.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:47 am
That was my reply to deepak kamat who accused me of starting abusive language. But i did not know that he was calling his own mother “COCK SUCKING LADY”, whenever she opposed his views.
Ladies beware ! if at all you call this eunuch “napunsak” he would call you all too the same way he calls his mom .
my hindu brothers if you oppose his views you would be branded “padre influenced”, “psudo secularist”.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:46 am
sangeetha shenoy aka kavita,
It was a good view. To attack these rougues who are TRUE denigrators of hinduism we require to be bold and use same language of these idiots. i have been observing your view points for quite some time now. you are rendering true service enlightening true hindus who do not want to be associated by these goons. Some times you need to give them the dose of their own medicine.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Watch:
Narendra Modi ripping psudo secs in Media
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czk1pRhyuJ8
Hindus must cultivate self-respect and self-confidence, to become leaders and rule the nation. Don’t spoil great potentialities for few pennys and benefits from pseudo-secualrists and Hindu-bashers, and remain slaves to be ruled by the foreigners.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Bharath>>Watch: Narendra Modi ripping psudo secs in Media>>
So you want Modi’s facist ideology and disrespect towards human rights .. and want him as a saviour for hindu gods of rama/krishna?
>>Hindus must cultivate self-respect and self-confidence, to become leaders and rule the nation>>
I absolutely have no issues in a Hindu person ruling this country..As Jesus Christ said,’Whats due for Cesar (king), give it to him and whats for God give it to God..” And I’m sure hindu’s dont need genocider like Narendra Modi to take up this job
>>and remain slaves to be ruled by the foreigners.>>
Lets find out why India was ruled by Foreighners.. First of all, we had 4 Varna hindu doctrine, which failed to identify the Non-Brahminic talents, ie, 97% of Hindoos were seen worthless/outcasts as per varna doctrine in ancient India. Can a pot belly Brahmin make a sword or fight in war or rule a country? Does he have the skill to handle invasion, though he claimed to be on top of Varna line? And that made us to surrender one by one, to all the foreign invaders..
Next came the sea conquest.. Brahminism put a ban on hindus to sail across the sea.. Even Sir.C.V Raman was seen as an outcast in Tamilnadu, for he has sailed to England for higher studies. Remember, before hinduization, ancient Dravidians had trade relationship with Romans & Greeks 2500 years ago!!,,
This is the time the portuguese/French/Brits mastered the sea, inspite of lagging dravidians by 2200 years timeline..And once again, Indians surrendered(rather submitted) to their sea conquest voluntarily.. And still we feel, reading/writing as the greatest Varna, and we do not respect the skilled person of Sanitation/Plumping/Pottery/Jwellery/Artist/mason..Now, once again we surrender to the western economic war (Volunatarily) in the name of skilled readers/writers/British Stenographers.. And we call it as BPO/IT boom..
October 17th, 2008 at 11:50 am
This how the Brahminism viewed the world as…
Unilever (HLL) - Soaps & Detergents - Scavenger company- Dalit
Boeing/AirBus - Fighter Jets - Just for war - Kshatrya-
Nasdaq/Nikki - Oh no.. They are Baniyas….
Clerk :- Thats the most admired profession in the world..
October 17th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Deepak, Deepak,, tch tch tch, you are such a bad boy. Why are you playing the role of a Veda pundit? . Funny, and you are picture is in the internet! You are giving vedas a bad name!!
I read that Orissa’s great state police is looking for somebody who was having talks with the maoists. hmm. They are going to catch some poor christian for sure. if they knew (of course they knew by the method of attack) it was Maoists why did n’t they announce that at the time of the riot? hmm, it is the Gujarat Model. This is what we have to expect from anywhere BJP rules.
BTW, I remember a news that made me very sad on last Christmas day. Some poor Christians Christmas celebration was dirupted because the Bajrangi goons attacked them on the Christmas day. Imagine, a day when the whole world is celebrating good will and peace. These people sent out distruction on a monority faith. A name came up a that time.. Saraswati. he was the leader of the atrocities. What kind of a “saint” was he? The Goonda!
mm, I see that he ended on Krishnanshtamy, Too bad. You reap what you sow. This is the same guy who started the nasty campaign of forceful reconversion in orissa. with the Maoists I see a natural connection between the two oppressed groups. Can you complain?
October 17th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
EMMARCEE>>Deepak, Deepak,, tch tch tch,Why are you playing the role of a Veda pundit? >>
As per Hindu varna doctrine, Deepak is KAMATH, and he and his ancestors were given exclusive rights for Veda’s.. Do you have any problem with that, Emmarcee?
>>>You are giving vedas a bad name!!>>
if not for Kamath, otherwise, what goodness you have found in Vedas? Im curious to know? (Frankly, Im not kidding here, Im really curious). Let someone enlighten me and engage with me on this debate..I invite Deepak Kamath too..Thanks in advance
>> read that Orissa’s great state police is looking for somebody who was having talks with the maoists. hmm. They are going to catch some poor christian for sure>>
If one could rape a nun,for the cause of protecting his million gods, Im sure he can even go to any extend of bearing false testimony…Anyways, we should wait for the judgement from the law of land (and abide by it too)..Thats what Jesus Christ has taught us..
>>with the Maoists I see a natural connection between the two oppressed groups. >>
Emmarcee,you got a valid point here.. Though the Maoists or Communists were poles apart from the concept of God, at one point, they all agree with Jesus Christ (Super Star & Prince of Peace)…Pursuit of Equality and Human Rights..In kandamal, its all about the question of respecting the basic human rights..
October 17th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
well in Vedas defense, it is a historical piece. Gives a strong start of a philsophical theme - of the brahman and the purusha etc.. coming to great verses like satyameva jayate.. Imagine they made it in verse form and carried it atleast for 3 for centuries before coming into this form we see now. Ofcourse a big part (i suspect) is about the nature gods and old Arian gods. I will let the Veda people defend itself.
October 17th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
The first slokas should be written or atleast formed before the Torah itself. I think we should respect that. It gives us idea about the civilization of this tiem. Yajna, somarasa, Rudra, all thefirst prajapatis. Who were they first priest kings?
October 17th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Ties very well with Iranian Old vedic religion. Suras and asuras.
October 17th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Emmarcee>>The first slokas should be written or atleast formed before the Torah itself>>
What about Incas/Sumerians? There own the oldest philosphies written by those who invented scriptural/Pictoral form of expression in stomes, and much older than vedas..(Veda’s is not written/documented in writing).. The two oldest philosophies are, “Every Thing is Water” and the next oldest civilization said, ‘Every Thing is Fire”… Both are right too..
Water and Fire are God’s creation, and materialistic one..Petrol(Fire) is the most sought out one, and Water is the most disputed one even in this day…But what about the philosophy of “Morals”.. Here the Jeudo-Christian teachings stand tall..
Coming to the point.. Should we give marks to a Philosophy, just because its old..If so, why not we accept Barbarism/Polygamy, which our ancestors lived by? Why do you find it wrong? What makes one thing that these acts falls short of Absolute holiness..? A point to ponder..
October 17th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
EMMARCEE>>The first slokas should be written or atleast formed before the Torah itself. I think we should respect that. >>>
I agree with you and it would say its worth keeping in an Archeological museum…
Would any one agree with me, that, we should shift the capital of India to Mohanjadharo/harappa(now in Pakistan), just because it was our oldest civilization city?
Btw, lets start asking permission from Bajrangi’s and RSS goons..
October 17th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Incas were after 1000 AD right? cannot campare, though they developed independently. Sumerian? hamurabi should be the person who brought the first written moral code. It is fun to imagine the Ramachandra/Rama-san fought with Hamuabi.
October 17th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
OK I got it - Sumerian had the first law code.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Thanks for the info Emmarcee..
October 18th, 2008 at 1:26 am
Well, regarding rape of nuns it is only pseudosecular propaganda. it happened before with the Jhabua rapes. It turned out that the perpetrators of the crime were Christians. Anyway, it is very easy to scream rape especially when you are a nun.
False rape charges are dime a dozen. Don’t expect me to lauhg, Mr. Emarcee.
Regarding Vedas, you seem to be affected by the colonial bug which views it as a superstitious script.
October 18th, 2008 at 3:36 am
Deepak Kamat to EMMARCEE>>>Regarding Vedas, you seem to be affected by the colonial bug which views it as a superstitious script>>
Instead of giving lame responses, can you try to explain here what great you found in Vedas..
Btw, you havent responded to my earlier post in response to your nun rape.. And you are again pasting the same stuff.. Please groom up to respond..