Replies to abuses in Satyadarshini
by Deepak Kamat ~ September 22nd, 2008. Filed under: Uncategorized.
Several of the respondents in this website asked me to give a befitting reply to the abuse of Hindu Gods in the book “Satyadarshini”. So, I am giving a Hindu response to the Christian abuse.
Abuse No. 1: Urvashi – the daughter of Narayana– is a prostitute. Vashitha is the son of this prostitute. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)
Urvashi is not a prostitute. She is a celestial nymph. Secondly Vasistha was one of the Saptarishis (Seven Great Sages Rishi) in the seventh, i.e the present Manvantara,[1] and the Rajpurohit / Rajguru of the Suryavamsha or Solar Dynasty. He was the manasaputra of Brahma. He had in his possession the divine cow Kamadhenu, and Nandini her child, who could grant anything to their owners.
Vashisht is credited as the chief author of Mandala 7 of the Rigveda. Vashisht and his family are glorified in RV 7.33, extolling their role in the Battle of the Ten Kings, making him the only mortal besides Bhavayavya to have a Rigvedic hymn dedicated to him. Another immortal treatise dedicated by him to the humanity is “Vashisht Samhita” - a book on Vedic system of electional astrology (Muhurtha/ Muhurt)- based on which theory & principles of electional astrology have emanated & followed through millenniums & which have withstood test of the time.
Abuse no. 2: When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a need for us to liberate his misled followers. (page 50)
Lord Krishna is considerd as an Avatar in Hindu pantheon. He is supposed to have lived around 5,200 years ago. Accordingly, he is supposed to reincarnate whenever adharma increases. There is no reference anywhere which says that he is in hell. I wonder, what divine wisdom the missionaries have when they can see somebody wallowing in hell.
Abuse no. 3: t was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were themselves the victims of lust, it is a sin to consider them as Gods. (page 39)
First of all, Ramayana can be interpreted anyway you want. In fact, the world is a divine illusion. Secondly, creation needs lust. Even the divine missionaries are a product of lust. Everyone has doubts about immaculate conception. I wonder how Jesus was born without pregnancy. It is all fancy stuff. Is it not?
Abuse No. 4: When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others. Their projection as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).
Hinduism is not a single prophet/single book cult like Islam and Christianity. There are 84 schools of thoughts in Hinduism – of which even atheism is a part. Then there are other concepts like duality, non-duality and achintabheda tattwa (where the soul is neither dual nor non-dual). In Hinduism, worship and liberation is a personal affair. Nobody has the right to interefere in other’s mode of worship. There is something called as Vyakti Dharma. It is highly personal. No conversions and interference please.
Abuse No.5: Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so. How can such a “evil brahma” be a Creator of this Universe? How is it possible for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be gods? (page 39)
First of all, there is no sin and no sinner. Sin is a Christian concept. Majority of Hindus consider the universe as leela (divine play). Though there are other variations too, most of the Hindus have pantheistic overtones. They don’t differentiate between the creator and the creation. Most of the Hindus are believers in oneness and pantheism. Note, it is not monotheism of the zealous semitic Gods.
Abuse No. 6: God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are worshipping False Gods that believe in the pleasures of illicit ‘Vyabichari’ relationships. (Page 39).
Swami Vivekananda described the people of India as children of immortality. (Amritasya Putraha). These are the lines from the Upanishads. The soul is not a sinner. It is a spark of the universal divinity. So there is no question of liberating sinners because sin does not exist in the first place. As for the so called “Vyabichar”, it is simple logic to say that the world would stop without sex. Sex is nothing but nature’s mechanism to ensure that individuals reproduce. In fact, we have a deity for sex (Kamadeva or Cupid) in Hinduism. Per se, sex is natural. However, Victorian sensibilities ensure that a lot of guilt is associated with it.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:37 am
A delegation of Hindu seers led Pejawar seer Shri Vishwesha Theertha Swamijee presented a memorandum to the Governor, President, Chief Minister and Union Minister today afternoon. They urged the authorities to look into the Hindu demands for an end to conversion activities.
Shree, Subramanya Shree, Raghaveshwara Bharati, Manila Swamijee, Kondeguru Swamijee, Vajreshwari Swamijee, Kemaru Swamijee, VHP leader M B Puranik and Jagadish Shenava, Ramesh S, K C Nayak, S R Rangamurthy, Kollur Temple trustee K. Adyanthaya, Arya Lakshminarayana Alva, Pradeep Kumar Kalkura were also prenset on the occasion.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:21 am
Hey Deepak,
Thanks for the replies. I have some doubts, I would be very greatful if you could shar e some more light. I am not that well versed with these scriptures..
1. For abuse number 1 I dint get any clarity on Vasishta marrying his mother??!! where did these accusation come from..it sounds illogical..
2. From abuse 2 onwards, all sorts of meanignless interpretations are made..Krishna in hell?? evil brahma?
If you can give the actual context and its rightful interpretation it would be great and stop these falsifications.
Thanks for the great job!!!
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:56 am
DK/SP
You have every right to respond to the issues raised by Paravastu Suryanarayana Rao, who claims to be a scholar of Vedic/Sastric/Brahminic Hindhuism. Kindly also let us know the needed references to the texts or interpretations.
But don’t you realise that when only a very few scholars like you understand the finer points of the religious texts, how ordinary Christians will know any of this and publish/edit.
I did not occasion to read what But before Paravastu Suryanarayana Rao actually wrote;but I have heard that some Siddhas had also written about these in earlier times.
Thanks for your knowledge and scholarship
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 am
@Thiruvalar:
You wrote “… I have heard that some Siddhas had also written about these in earlier times.”
There is a saying, alpa-vidya bhayankar (Little knowledge is dangerous). This is what most people does. They hear something rubbish, then propagate it, pretending as experts. In case of christian missioanries, they do it for their soul harvesting business. They are doing it over a thousand years. They have nothing to offer good, so they have to speak/fabricate ill of others.
Why do you go by hearsay? We also keep hearing so many things? Do we need to belive them? We keep hearing, all catholic church offers to its devotees a small dry biscuit type thing (as prasadam), they are dry human meat. Do we have to belive it? Do you belive it? Someone once told, we can eat special dinner with human-meat in resturants in Spain? Do we need to belive it? Do you belive it?
Let talk sense. One should not talk on sastras, if he/she is not qualified. A Delhi-based journalist of CNN-IBN wrote sometime back, RigVedic Purusha Suktam should be removed, as it is the root of castism. Does that journalist ever seen the ancient Book called RigVeda and does that eminent jounalist understands what the world Veda and Purusha words means? These are the people, they see truth in untruth, right in wrong, extertise in unexpertise, correct in false, …as they live under self-delusion and ignorance.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Deepak,
Nice rejoinders to the vile abuses. Unfortunately, it may never reach those lousy missionaries nor ever change them. IMO,it is best for the BJP, if and when they come to power, to put a stranglehold on the foreign funds coming in for these missionary and proselytising activities which will put an end to the conversion issue once and for all.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:14 am
Do those people who wrote this stupidity possess the intellect to understand in least what u said, I guess it will bounce over their heads, and the text u mentioned and information u gave ….this is the 1st time they will know it exists..
Why they are against Hinduism ..when Hinduism doesn’t condemn other religions….Hinduism itself is not a religion…It’s been a great civilization…A refined way to lead life …..to it’s highest evolution…in Totality.
September 24th, 2008 at 5:12 am
Hi Deepu / Kamath
forget missionaries, most of my friends couldn’t understand the things. We are planning to approach local scholars for more meaningful and straigtforaward answers. Kamath, a good try but answers are not clear.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:32 am
@ Indian Rock
Ha Ha Ha Ha…….
September 24th, 2008 at 6:59 am
@ Deepak
None of your responses really prove that the statements in the book are wrong…
FOr example
Statement No.5: Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so. How can such a “evil brahma” be a Creator of this Universe? How is it possible for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be gods? (page 39)
First of all, there is no sin and no sinner. Sin is a Christian concept. Majority of Hindus consider the universe as leela (divine play). Though there are other variations too, most of the Hindus have pantheistic overtones. They don’t differentiate between the creator and the creation. Most of the Hindus are believers in oneness and pantheism. Note, it is not monotheism of the zealous semitic Gods.
IF THERE IS NO SIN AND NO SINNER WHY IS GOD THERE????? IF THE CREATOR AND THE CREATION IS SAME, MAN AND MACHINES ARE SAME…. IF ANIMALS ARE DUMB SO ARE MEN…. IF ANIMALS DONT HAVE CLOTHES NEITHER SHOULD PPL HAVE(COS BOTH ARE SAME)
IF THERE IS NO SIN AND NO SINNER WHY ARE YOU DEBATING ON THE TOPIC OF TERRORISM?? THERE IS NO CONCEPT OF SIN FOR YOU GUYS NO??
PLEASE, FOR HEAVENS SAKE SPEAK WITH SOME LOGIC ATLEAST…
LOOK AT THE CHRISTIAN LOGIC
GOD MADE EARTH AND EVERYTHING IN IT.
GOD MADE MAN IN THE FORM OF GOD HIMSELF OUT OF SAND.
GOD MADE WOMAN FROM A RIB OF MAN.
MAN WAS GIVEN DOMINION OVER THE EARTH, SO NO ONE ON EARTH IS GREATER THAN MAN(VERY TRUE EVEN TODAY)
GOD GIVES FREEDOM TO MAN TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT EATING THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT(The forbidden fruit served as a test of Adam and Eve’s willingness to live within God’s will)
SATAN TEMPTS MAN SO THAT HE CAN EXPAND HIS KINGDOM. MAN FALLS INTO SIN AND GOD PUNISHES FOR THE SIN HE DOES, THE PUNISHMENT FOR SIN WAS DEATH(SIN = DEATH). MAN DID NOT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE ANYMORE. GOD’S JUDGEMENT WILL BE UPON EVERYONE NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE. HE ALSO PUNISHES SATAN.
GOD LOVED MAN VERY MUCH AND WANTED TO RESCUE HIM FROM THE PROBLEM MAN CREATED FOR HIMSELF. THATS WHY JESUS(SON OF GOD) HAD TO COME IN THE FORM OF MAN AND EXPERIENCE THE DIFFICULTIES OF MAN, BUT DID NOT SIN. HE TOOK MAN’S SINS(BLAME) ON HIMSELF AND DIED(SIN=DEATH) ON THE CROSS(the worst punishment anyone can have on earth). HE OVERCAME DEATH WHICH WAS A PUNISHMENT TO MAN. THUS THERE WAS A PATH FOR MAN TO OVERCOME ETERNAL DEATH THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.
SO WHOEVER REPENTS OF HIS SINS AND ASKS FOR FORGIVENESS WILL BE FORGIVEN AND WILL NOT BE JUDGED INSTEAD WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE IN HEAVEN THROUGH JESUS CHRIST WHO IS THE ONLY MAN WHO WAS PURE, SINLESS AND OVERCAME DEATH.
DISOBIDIENT PEOPLE WILL BE JUDGED ACCORDINGLY WHEN THEY DIE WHICH WAS BOUND TO HAPPEN FOR EVERY SINFUL MAN. ALONG WITH THEM SATAN WILL ALSO BE JUDGED AND EVIL WILL BE DESTROYED.
REMEMBER GOD DID NOT CREATE EVIL, SATAN WAS ONCE A PART OF GODS KINGDOM, BUT REJECTED IT AND CAME OUT OF HEAVEN AS HE WANTED TO BE GOD HIMSELF. PPL, ACCEPTING SATAN AND HIS WAYS BECOME A PART OF SATAN WHICH MAKES GOD ANGRY AS GOD HATES SIN.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:25 am
Hi Deepu,
Yor are laughing and certainly shows that the answers bounced above your head too. ” yadbhaavam tadbhavati” It is the attitude of you people has let down the Hindu Dharma. I appreciate Mr.kamat’s sincere efforts to give an answer but we need to try from our side also to gather more information. Can you contribute something?
September 24th, 2008 at 7:45 am
@ Indian Rock….
Well I laughed at your sense of humor coz i think i found it in ur post, now u r INTERPRETING my response..according to what u see in them.
so No Comments on that.
And answering to those silly stupid things people imagined about our religion is not worth replying at all…..How wud u reply to a person who is addicted of abusing…certainly by abusing ..the matter is made worse…
For Example, Read the post above you…the person is giving the definition of SIN according to christianity..and he is thinking that we Hindus wud think and feel the same way…He’s damn wrong…All DUALITY has emerged from non-duality….Everything has evolved out of NOTHING….Hinduism Vedas are Spiritual Encyclopedia..where People have noted down the experience of their immense wisdom and higher-journeys…
ANd I don’t believe in casting pearls before SWINE …so these people really don’t deserve an answer …
And such interpretation and stories they told was not of IGNORANCE..but it was sheerly because of MALIGN against Hinduism.
Ignoring this stupidity at all..is my answer to them.
You can share the WISDOM to an IGNORANT person or an ADEPT..coz they will appreciate it or recognize & accept it in proper way…but who lies in between Even BRAHMA can’t teach them anything ~ CHANAKYA
September 24th, 2008 at 8:26 am
ANd I don’t believe in casting pearls before SWINE
@deepu
My dear, you have quoted something from the Bible, but dont accept the Bible… If you have problems with what I said, please let me know, I would clarify..
September 24th, 2008 at 10:59 am
@deepu
Look what the Bible says..
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23
I am not forcing you to believe it, Its my duty to share about Christ and clear the wrong perceptions you have. Its your wish to accept or reject.
September 24th, 2008 at 11:02 am
@deepu again
You believe in your Vedas right… Then read this
Vedas Foretell About the Sacrifice of Christ
Taken from Balidan tract
Author -Anubhavanand Keshav Ray Sharma Mandapaka
All have sinned disobeying the law of God. So they try to find different ways in order to escape from the wrath of God. In our country (India) some make offerings to Brahmins, and others sacrifice animals.
Vedas declare sacrifice as the only way for salvation. “Dharmani prathamani” it means that sacrifice is most important of all our duties.
“Yagyo vay bhuvanasya nabhih” - Sacrifice is the base of the world.
“Yagye sarvam pratishtitham” - Through sacrifice all things can be obtained.
“Yagyo vay sutram nouh” - Sacrifice is a boat by which life can be driven smoothly.
“Yagyem va deva divangatah” - gods got to heaven only through sacrifice.
“Ritasya nah pathinay ati vishvani durita” - get saved through sacrifice.
“These theories which are declared in Vedas show that sacrifice should get the highest place in all the penance and it should be done for the remission of sins.
Come let us see what the message of BhagvatGeeta’s is:
“Sah-yagyah prajah srushtva purovach prajapathih Annen pravishyadhvamesh vo s sitvasht kamdhuk”
It means:
When God made man in the beginning, He did sacrifice and He said, “by this your heart’s desire may be full.”
“Yagya shapith kalmashah” - Those whose sins are washed by sacrifice.
“Nayam loko-sthya yagyasyakutho-nyah kurusatham” - O, holy guru when those who did not sacrifice a single time has no place in this world, then how can he get to heaven?
The importance of sacrifice has been shown in this way. We see in Madakopnishad, “Plava hyeth adhrada yagya rupah” - The timber of sacrifice-boat would be silent.
In the 7th chapter of yagya vaibhav khand in Skandha Puran we can read like this:-
“Plava hyete sura yagya adrudashch na shamsayah” -O gods, The timber of sacrifice - boat is undoubtedly silent.
Tandya mahabrahmin says, “Yagyo va avati tasya chaya criyate”- Only sacrifice can give deliverance, whatever is done is only a shadow of sacrifice.
In Rig -Veda we read, “Atmada balda yasyachaya-mrutam… yasya mrityuh” - whose shadow and death became life (Amrit - or immortality), by his shadow and death He will give soul and strength.
All these above writings clearly states that sacrifice itself never brings deliverance but they are only the shadow of sacrifice which brings great deliverance. Ethray brahmin says, “Yagyamanah pashu yagyamanmev swarga lokam gaymati” - “He Who donates animal for sacrifice, does the sacrifice and goes to heaven.”
Shathpath brahmin says, “Prajapathi yagyah” - God Himself is sacrifice.
In tandya mahabrahmin of Sam-Veda, it says, “Prajapathi devemya atmanam yagyam drutva praikshat” - God will offer give Himself as sacrifice and receive the repentance of sins.
Shathpath brahmin says, “Tasya prajapathirdharmev martyamasidharth marutham” -God became half mortal and half immortal. It means He became man and heavenly the mixture of both.
Purushsukta says, “sacrifice of Brahmadev is done.
All these teachings clearly indicates that the master of this creation himself will perform a true and great saving sacrifice. He would become both mortal and immortal and anointed God - man and by becoming the sacrificial animal, He would give Himself for the deliverance of the sins of mankind.
Rig-Veda gives the following facts regarding the sacrificial animal:
1. It should be a lamb without blemish.
2. Around his head ‘Bulusu’ bush should be placed.
3. It should be on the altar of sacrifice.
4. Its four legs should be nailed in such a way that until they bleed.
5. The cloth which covers the lamb should be distributed in four parts.
6. No bones should be broken
7. Gal should be given for the drink of the lamb.
8. After it is sacrificed, it should come back to life again.
9. Its flesh should be eaten.
From this we can come to the conclusion that the anointed Lamb of God who gave Himself for sacrifice and died for us, complied with all these descriptions.
It can be said that God took the form of a man first and then to save the sinners He gave Himself to be sacrificed. In our country we never read about this type of anointed one in our scriptures. No one who is God’s anointed ever had this type of sacrificial death for the redemption of sinners. But in the meditarian seashore of western Asia there is a country called Palestine that is situated in the midst of dense population of the world. In this country an anointed son was born to a holy virgin in whom all these above written qualities were complete. He was completely innocent and blameless. He lived a holy and pure life. He was both mortal and immortal means both man and God. From the beginning itself He prophesied about His sacrificial death for the deliverance of mankind and victorious resurrection from the death. He delivered Himself to those evil people who not only loved sin and sinful ways of this world but also wanted to kill Him.
If we see about His death, we can see that as the Rig-Veda describes the qualities of the sacrificial lamb they are exactly fulfilled in this anointed person as explained below:
1. It should be a blameless lamb - He was a blameless (or without sin) God - man.
2. Around his head ‘Bulusu’ bush should be placed - A crown of thorn was put on His head.
3. It should be on the altar of sacrifice - He was laid on the Cross.
4. Its four legs should be nailed in such a way that until they bleed - His hands and legs were nailed.
5. The cloth which covers the lamb should be distributed in four parts - Those who crucified Him distributed His cloths by themselves.
6. No bones should be broken - None of His bones were broken.
7. Gal-juice should be given for the drink of the lamb - He was given vinegar for drink.
8. After it is sacrificed, it should come back to life again- He rose up from the dead on the third day.
9. flesh of it must be eaten- Before His death, He said to his disciples that they should eat His flesh and drink His blood, which was sacrificed for the salvation of the world; and for the remembrance of His death take bread and grape juice and for this He started a holy ritual which is still being performed.
In this anointed person, the sacrifice of repentance which can save sinners, is completed. All these things clearly states that this is the anointed one of God through whom sinners can get salvation of their souls. This anointed one is none other than JESUS.
Purushsukt says, “Nanya panthah vidhyatey nyayah” - Even by the thousands of good works you can not get to heaven, except through Brahmdev who gave Himself as sacrifice,.”
So there is none other than “JESUS” who can save you from your sins.
http://insearchofpeace.org/3v17issue.htm
September 24th, 2008 at 11:05 am
@deepu
also pls read this
JESUS CHRIST IN HINDU SCRIPTURES
BY
Dr. N. Sharath Babu, M. A., M. Phil., D. Min
God is the father of all the human beings. Some human beings may not know him as their own father. Since God is the creator, he is the father of all.
Bible presents clearly that God is love (1 John 4:8). He loves with an everlasting love (Jer 31:3). “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” (John 3:16). The loving God does not want any one to perish. So he revealed himself in various ways including as the incarnate God called Jesus Christ (Heb 1:1, 2). Since God does not want anyone to be lost, he lightens every human being who is born into this world (John 1:9). So the loving God has graciously revealed himself through the Hindu scriptures in order that the teeming millions of Hindus may not be lost in the total darkness of sin. It is so amazing to see the Hindu scriptures bear witness to Jesus Christ by name and his vicarious death. I have gleaned the following scriptural references from Hindu scripture books about Christ. These Hindu scriptural passages show clearly that Christ was born to a virgin, is holy and blameless, he suffered and died, and redeemed the sinners by shedding his holy blood.
All the Hindu scriptures which are referred are written in Sanskrit language and the Vedas quoted here are written between 2000 and 1500 B.C. The Upanishads are written between 10th century and 2nd century B.C.
References to the Birth of Christ
The following quotations speak clearly about Jesus Christ. The second quotation even mentions the name of Jesus.
After creating the sky, waters, and the earth, the supreme spirit of the Lord almighty thought “I created the worlds. Now to provide for and to save these worlds I have to create a savior.” Thinking thus He gave birth to a man from himself. (Ithareya Upanishad 1.1.3)
The Puranas explain the Vedic truths in the form of stories. The Bhavishya Purana1 is the ninth in this set of eighteen sacred books. Its third part is entitled Bharath khand, and the second chapter in the third part is entitled Pratisarg. This chapter has thirty-four verses that clearly tell the story of Jesus Christ and His incarnation. The following verses show the main parts.
Verse 31:
Yeesh moorti parapta nitya shuddha shivakari:
Yeesha masih itticha mam nama prathishtatham
Translation:
The revelation of God who is eternal, Holy, Compassionate and giver of salvation; who dwells within our heart is manifested. His name is yeesha Masih [Jesus Christ].
Speaking of this Savior and God incarnate, the sages call Him Purusha shubham (blameless and Holy person), Balwaan raja gaurang shweta vastrakam (sovereign king in a holy person robed in white) Yeesh putra (Son of God ), Kumari garbha sambhavam (one who is born of a virgin), and Satya Varatha Paraayanam (one who is the sustainer of the path of truth).
Rigveda, the first scripture, also presents Christ without mentioning His name, but referring to Him as the Word who is God.
This man is all that has been, all that is and all that has to be. He controls the eternal life and it is for the redemption of mankind. He surpasses His immortal sphere and descends to the mortal sphere. He comes to give every one reward as per their deeds.
Venerable words from the Vedic scriptures affirm:
“The word is the indestructible God.” (Brhadaranyaka Upanishad 4:1, 2).
The Supreme Leader who is the cause and governor of all creation who to protect and save sinful mankind, Himself appeared upon the earth wrapped in a body that is Holy and without sin. (Rigveda 10.125)
References to the Suffering and Death of Christ
Christ underwent immeasurable physical and mental pain when he was crucified. The Hindu scriptures highlight his physical suffering. Some of these statements seems to refer to Christ because there was no Hindu god or goddess who bore such suffering on behalf of sinners.
The crown of thorns was placed on his head: “The sacrificial victim is to be crowned with a crown made of thorny vines” (Rigveda 10.90.7, 15).
His clothes were divided among those who offered him. “After death, His clothes are to be divided among the offerors” (Ithareya Brahmanam).
The person tied to a wooden cross: “His hands and legs are to be bound to a yoopa (a wooden pole) causing blood shed” (Brhadaranyaka Upanishad, 3.9.28).
While the victim was at his greatest agony on the cross, he was given a herbal drink which had an intoxicating effect: “Before death, He should be given a drink of somarasa” [an intoxicating herbal juice] (Yajur Veda 31).
Though the victim was hung on the wooden cross, none of his bones were broken: “None of His bones be broken” (Ithareya Brahmanam 2.6).
The Hindu scriptures point to the efficacy of the blood of Jesus Christ which cleanses from sin.
If you want to be delivered from the sin which you commit through eyes, mouth, ears and mind, bloodshed is necessary. Without shedding the blood, there is no remission for sin. That must be the blood of the Holy one. God is our creator. He is our King. When we were perishing, He came to save us by offering even his own body on our behalf. (Maha Brahmanam 4.15)
God is the ruler of people. He will offer His body as a sacrifice, for His people; for the remission of their sins (Sama veda, part 2, Thandiya Maha Brahmanam).
These statements clearly describe the suffering and the death of Christ. No one else qualifies. These Hindu scriptural references will be a great help to present Jesus to the orthodox Hindus. As a second step Jesus can be presented as the true incarnated God, meeting their full expectations by using Hindu scriptures themselves. ma
These scattered but clear-cut references to Christ led some Hindu seekers of the truth to the Bible and Christ. Such people have openly embraced Christianity through baptism and witnessing marvelously for Christ.
1Bhavishya purana is one of the eighteen puranans. Bhavishya means future. It contains a number of future events, including the information about the virgin birth of Christ and his name. It is the only scripture book which contains the name of Jesus. See Krishna Dwaipuayana Vyasa, Bhavishya Purana (Mumbai: Kemraj Shrikrishnadas, 1959).
http://www.sdaindia.net/jesus_in_hindu_scriptures/jesus-in-hindu-scriptures.html
September 24th, 2008 at 11:07 am
THANKS DEEPAK. WHEN KARAN THAPAR WANTED INFO, YOU HAVE PROVIDED THE SAME. I HAVE PASSED ON THE SAME. LET US WAIT AND SEE. VERY INFORMATIVE SITE. GPS
September 24th, 2008 at 11:08 am
hey Ajit,
something new I am hearing. Can you further substantiate?????
September 24th, 2008 at 11:12 am
@Indian Rock
substantiate about what??
September 24th, 2008 at 11:18 am
May be you can also read about this man - Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj
http://www.christian-faith.com/forjesus/sadhu-sundar-selvaraj
September 24th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Hi, as a traditional Indian Christian I apologize for the attacks by the form a begoted book. This is not the way of converting anybody. Early Christians made others convert to their way by their faith and love. Of course the Catholics of 15th and 16th century took the Islamic way of “change or die” in places were they ruled. (Hindu kings did this to Budhists may be 10 to 15 centuries before that, and also, they were not that friendly with new Christian faith in nummber of places like Tamilnaadu)But those are different times when rule of sword was most important.
AS per Bible, yes Christians are supposed to tell the world about the new good news. (that the almighty has provided a way for salvation, instead of going through other convoluted sacrifices and Good Karmas) and people were attracted because of the first believers self sacrifices and possibly miracles?. But this kind of abuse of other religions is a different idiotic method. It says that after the deciples tell people in a particular village or town the people are hostile and not accepting, just go out of the town and make sure dust of your sandals. No need to be aggresive. God knows that you have done your job. If the seed fell in good soil, it will grow. Throughout the first centuries Chrstians lived among gentiles. This includes the small number of Ancient Christian disapora from Kerala. Live and let live. If you start analyzing all these texts you can incite a lot of contraversies. Just let it go. They were written centuries ago, probably carried over by oral myths for sometime then edited many times after being written. There was no printing press at that time. You can study these all you want to. Take what you like and discard the rest as human folly. That is what I do with Bible.
September 24th, 2008 at 11:42 am
@emmarcee
Bible was not orally told. There are scrolls that were obtained from various places. Pls dont spread rumors like these. The disciples worked hard and wrote down everything so that we can read Gods word…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_sea_scrolls
September 24th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Ajit, you opened yet another door in the dabate. You are touting yet another discarded theory. All around the world the real christians have thrown away that heresy that Jesus is the Prajapati who appears in Vedas. (who gets sacrificed). These verses are just another way of “getting ” to hindus. Real historians do not beleieve even Vedas were “written” in the current form before 1500 BC. The upanishads came much later. Some of these verses were even edited after Christ. The most humiliating thing is the truth about Bhavishypurana which is a book concocted by somebody who was keen into introducing Jesus into India. This was probably added after the potugese came to India. These things just shows that people cannot believe everything in these books. You have to test it with historical facts. For example in the OT , the narration up to the time of Kings Samuel was mainly an oral tradition which was written around the time of the kings. Again now archeological studies are raising a question about the reality of the great kingdom of David. Similarly it is obvious that Bharata was written after Inida encountered Yavanas (greeks) and even ramayana was written around the Golden time of Hindu Kings.The Sanskrit language was finalized by Panini and even at the time Asoka they were not using Sanskrit. There is ample evidence to the emergence of Budhist Jaina cult all over India (including South - They discovered an ancient huge Jaina temple in Kerala ghats recently). So, who knows the truth?
September 24th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
@emmarcee
If you have doubts, dont confirm them as facts here
If you have doubts ask a real Christian priest.
Let me tell you that these facts were not orally carried with traditions…
The disciples have worked hard and noted everything down.
Did you hear about scrolls?? The dead sea scrolls… Do your home work please….
September 24th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
@emmarcee and others
PPL who have doubts about the BIBLE…
2 Timothy 3
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
The following was written by PAUL, who once was a ROMAN officer having authority to kill believers of Jesus Christ
2Peter 1
16We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”[a] 18We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.
19And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
@emmarcee and others
Please be careful with the bible..
Revelation 22
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
@emmarcee and others
Please read the bible carefully. Its the only book that claims such authority…
Matthew 5
The Fulfillment of the Law
17″Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
September 25th, 2008 at 12:04 am
@ Ajit
What makes you think that I will give a read in the least to All the looong lonnng posts u r posting here….???
I didn’t ask anything from you nor I am interested to have a discussion with you…you be happy with your DOGMAS.
September 25th, 2008 at 12:10 am
@ Deepu
Thats left to you dear Friend…
But you’ll know some day that they are not Dogmas, but the TRUTH…
CHRIST is the only Savior and there is no one else who can save mankind.
September 25th, 2008 at 7:59 am
Ajit,
You have been converted as well, and yr ancestors have been hindus and you guys wud have been converted for basic needs as food clothing n shelter. And now u shout on top of yr voice that christ is the only saviour. I pity u kid. Hinduism exists from time immemorial and no rule of islam, buddhists and yr own british christians have been able to wipe it off. Its not like jews whom u christians wiped off which was induced by Jesus Christ himself and promptly followed by his followers and u call yrself peace lovin ppl. Hitler we all know what he did. Ur missionaries, Why don they do service to poor hindus, christ says that u shud do good service to only christians eh?? Thats yr mindset. narrow minded ppl. We hindus accept evry1, for eg Jews, Parsis, Christians, Muslims never made any distinction. Now u want to make India another vatican city.. we not gonna allow u. even if yr own Jesus Christ comes down here…he ll lose and be hanged on the cross again ha ha ha and sent back to where he belongs that is hell. so better mind yr words and speak.
September 25th, 2008 at 8:12 am
answer to point no. 4 is not acceptable. “Papa” & “doshas” are there and every human being has to undergo the sufferings for the sins commited. If there is no sin of “papa” then what is “punya”??? Otherwise what is the need of temples like Kashi and Rivers lis Ganga. Mr.Kamath has to do the homework properly. I accept you are trying to spread a good knowledge but please don’t contribute confusing stuff or contradicting statements. Take some more time and get the right answers.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Indian Rock, good points. Ajith you are just the fundamentalist like “bharat” who thinks Hinduism has been there from “time Immemorium”. and yes Bharat, Jesus came only 2000 years ago and the faith itself proclaims it is the “new way”. I will say it is better than old and redundant ways. If you are a knowledgeble person why Jesus and followers made a revival in Judaism. Christianity did not “wipe” out Judaism. That is just your ignorance. Read more and may be try to understand other religions. For example, read and tell me why Muslims think that Christians are bad, though Christians, Hebrews and Muslims all think Abrham (the guy from Ur - not that far from India- may be stop- post for IndoIranian peole too)as their ancestors.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Ajit, personally speaking if you think every word in the Bible is god-written, you are just an imbecilic fundamentalist. It is so funny that Catholic church and other old churches were the compilers of the bible and now these new age protestant fundamentalists have taken over it. Even catholics have said that everything in Bible is not verbatim correct. Yes I believe in Jesus as the Messiah, but of course even the earlist record (the letters of Paul) is written may be 20 years after Jesus’s crucifixion. About the “curse” in the revelation, I think it is similar to the “curse” in Kuran. Just to scare people who will venture to change the verses. Our God is loving and not a “cursing” god. He wants us to see the truth. We jsut have to ask him to open our eyes.
September 25th, 2008 at 11:00 am
@Bharath
You are trying to convince me that I and my forefathers are Hindus just like you are trying to defend hinduism. I know who my parents, my grandfathers and my forefathers are… Stop guessing things….
Do you know St. Thomas, the disciple of Jesus who came to India?? This is the best proof that Christ has risen. We have a road named after the death of St. Thomas in Chennai…
@emmarcee
Agreed that catholics compiled the Bible, but do you rememder how they took advantage of it?? Do you know why Martin Luther had to bring reformation??? Do you know why he had to sit down and translate it??? You dont know all this and you tell me to do my home work???
Bible is all archealogical findings supported by science and history…
For example the fact that the earth is round and is hung in space was told in the Bible before Socretes or any man discovered it….
September 25th, 2008 at 11:03 am
@Indian Rock
The above is written by people who are masters and scholars in Hindu scriptures….
Sin in any form is Sin, little or more and comes only from the evil one… Will explain you later, I dont have that much time as of now. Will come back after some 3 hrs…
September 25th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
@Indian Rock
Adding to what I told above
Rat poison is 99% GOOD FOOD and just 1% POISON, you know what it does to us when we eat it.
And in these modern days you know what 0.01% error can do to rockets and other complicated machines. It doesnt look at the punya stuff…
Remember the Columbia Rocket?? A breach in the leading edge of the left wing caused the entire huge rocket to blast….
Sin does the same to us. Even 0.01% spreads like a disease and rottens us spirutually. Sin rotttens the soul. Sin saperates us from God because God is Holy… God Hates Sin..
This was the reason Christ(God’s Son) had to come and He bridged the gap between Man and God because of sin. Thats why He is called the Messaiah.
By being sinless and shedding His innocent blood and by comming back to life he overcame death and won the battle over evil.
Evil created death and sin, CHRIST conquered and overcame sin and death.
So whoever believes in CHRIST gains eternal life.
Thats why we believe in this
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23
and also this which Paul(was a persecuter of christians before) says
2 Corinthians 12: 9,10
9But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
September 25th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
@emmarcee
Why christians and muslims fight is just due to their perspectives. (Again I am not for fighting, but totally against it)
Mukesh Ambani and Anil Ambani also have differences between them, they have the same father Dhirubhai Ambani…
Yes, God is Love and thats why He turned our curses into blessings.
But at the same time GOD hates sin. If one keeps sinning purposely just because GOD is love, God will not accept it. You need to understand that GOD’s curse is on evil and not on the people. When people like and enjoy evil, they become a part of evil & thus asking for God’s curse…
@Bharath
Bharath, Britishers who came to India were not basically missionaries. Actual missionaries were not allowed to come to India by the Britishers.
Actually Britishers were stern rulers who had no christian philosophies in their life.
You guys need to study Church History for this…
September 25th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Ajith, what you said about the British was absolutely right. They cared only about money. They were more than happy to leave Indians just the way they “found” them, after using up all the resources. They were good at using people by dividing them, using giving petty incentives to those in the ruling class. It is just another part of the propaganda that British people were missionaries. As a matter of fact, the missionaries in England had to fight their government to do any type of mission work in India. If it was Portugese or Spaniards, either they would have ran away from India in 50 years or converted most of the Hindus to Christians. The British had other goals.
September 25th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
The Muslim Christian question was not for Ajit. But for Bharat.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
@emmarcee
sorry for the misinterpretation above….
You had said above that you dont accept part of the Bible.
IF its possible for you try getting the DVD of “How did we get our Bible” by Chuck Missler.
You will then understand that the bible is really God breathed because of the hidden ciphers and some true revelations made in most OT books..
Most of all what was prophesied in OT happened in the NT. Remember that OT was written by different people of different cultures and same was with the NT. Ppl from differnent places wrote about Christ.
Even today we have so many witnesses about Christ. History has revealed so much about Christ. The very timeline is based upon Christ, B.C. and A.D… You must understand why only this book is standing through ages, many famous people who claimed to be superior to Jesus are no more famous, but Jesus is still famous and well known. You must know why Bible is the only book to be translated in every language known and more than 70% of the world reads it. No other book in history has been so important. Inspite of persecutions from the first century Christianity has increased more and more, why??
Unless and until God is with us this couldnt have happened. If you have doubts in the Book, then go ask a senior priest who can guide you, but pls dont say that part of the bible is not true like the skeptic…
I suggest you pray and read your Bible then God will start revealing things to you…
September 26th, 2008 at 12:10 am
Ajit ….I can bet that wahtever you wrote is not your ORIGINAL Products…you have borrowed it from else where…and just tried to fit in context…That’s a simple trick with brainwashing…when People know nothing than you can tell them anything depending on their belief-system, their lack of clarity about topic and their ignoring details tendency..and their inaccessability to verify the source of information…
I am not against Bible or Jesus…
In fact i took immense interest in a time in both of them and christianity as well..(that was scholarly interest and not religious)..
Just google search or search on wikipedia the foollowing word:
Anti-christ, anti-cchrist conspiracies, whore of babylone, mark of the beast, 666, Apocalypse, second coming, The christ conspiracy,Bible codes , End times, Truth behind Vatican, Da Vinci Code, New world order conspiracy….I am sure you will again be brainwashed this times again Church, Jesus and Christianity..People just put their side so cleverly and hides their lies among truth so cleverly that It’s really hard to find the truth…
That brainwashing is very common among Christian or western scholars and researchers…At last I myself gave up reading all that stuff…It’s hard to find the truth there and hard to detect actually who is brainwashing you may be one or perhaps both…against a cleverly framed SMOKE-SCREEN.
Now see the other side of coin just google search
September 26th, 2008 at 1:02 am
@Deepu
The subjects that you have written are very well know to me.
They are also just allegations and baseless.
For example take the DaVinci Code….
Its a proven fact that its a fiction and a made up story…
If you want I can prove it, It will be a long one, this time you asked for it…
I will just tell you some facts
1) Jesus was crucified in front of a large crowd.
2) His side was pierced and water gushed out, remember this happens only when a person dies(fact)
3) Jesus was put into the tomb with the permission of Pontius Pilate(a written letter was issued).
4) Jesus’ body was rolled in a linnen cloth and put in a tomb made of a huge stone which had only one entrance.
5) The tomb had a huge stone rolled onto its entrance.
6) The stone was sealed with a roman seal(Anyone who breaks it was severely punished)
7) In those days at least 16 Roman soldiers were supposed to guard a single prison.
9) After Jesus was killed the disciples fled and were in shock. Hence they were hiding. They had no courage to confront the mighty Roman soldiers just to steal a Dead body. And besides if they did confront how can they roll out such a huge stone at the entrance??
10) However the theory that all Roman soldiers fell asleep at once is a myth considering that they will put their lifes in danger. May be one or two may fall asleep at the same time at the most not all the sixteen at the same time!!
11) Okay if indeed the disciples managed to steal the body they wouldnt get anything. There was no Judicial enquirey made by the Roman GOVT for the loss of Christ’s body. And in those days there were no flights and cars to take the body away to a long distance.
12) Neither the disciples were arrested for stealing the body(Refer point no 6).
13) The best proof is this deepu that all the disciples life had changed. They all died believing and proclaiming the fact that Christ has risen. Their very life is a witness that CHrist is risen…
Actually the number of soldiers guarding the tomb was not 16 but more than that…
One of these disciples St. Thomas who doubted and laughed when ppl said that Christ had risen.
He believed that Christ was risen only when he put his fingers on CHrist’s wounds. He spoke to CHrist and had breakfast with Him.
This very disciple had come to India. St. Thomas mount is very famous in CHennai. St. Thomas preached about Christ in south India. Infact a huge road called mount road streaching about 20KMs is named after St. Thomas was killed.
I dont expect that these facts will convince you, but these are facts believe it or not…
September 26th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Hence the myth of Christ escaping crucifiction is completely false knowing the fact that the Roman government was very powerfull then…
This very point that Christ has risen proves the entire DaVinci Code wrong….
September 26th, 2008 at 1:54 am
@ Ajit,
Brevity is the wit of the soul.
September 26th, 2008 at 2:17 am
@ Deepak
Correction:
Brevity is the Soul of Wit
Yes I do agree and thats what I have been telling
CHRIST IS THE ONLY SAVIOUR WHO CAN SAVE MANKIND.
But when you guys are not understanding, I have to jot down facts and figures…
September 26th, 2008 at 2:29 am
@ Ajit
Then you never read Da Vinci code…read it again…hahahaha
besides Da Vinci Code I named other words that u intently ignored…just to avoid to…coz those people claim all their allegation as reality as u r stating ur allegations as reality…
You still don’t know waht Da Vinci code is all about..what message it displays…it’s not against Jesus for your information…
You are brain-washed by evangelism ..that seems from ur answer..
Search on wikipedia or google again..
and read conspiracy theories on net…
Serach these:
9/11 conspiracy, anti-christ conspiracy, Whore of Babylone, Paganism in church, the truth behind Vatican,New world order conspiracy, Apocalypse, Original sin..for your kind information search Lilith (in your ‘King james version of bible’ to know the truth behind Original sin)
Freemasony, Bones and skulls, and other secret societies….
and man don’t try to brainwash innocent people by your DOGMAS…and half baked truth….First search about the very root of your christianity ….like search paganism symbols, Wiccan, the killing of woman by stating them witches, the Last supper(leonardo da vinci), The maddona of the rocks original version, Isis, Horus, witchcraft, ….
And search about your christianity very well and first save yourself from being brainwashed by your very DOGMAS….
Nothing you have posted from your original experience…you copy..a sheer fascimile by some brianwashing people u have posted….
For your information 25th December is not the B’day of Jesus christ find the truth behind it, search red cross, and the secret symbols of christianity research about them then probabily u will understand your history very well.
Search sabatah, the John constantine and other history related to christianity…
AND Read the book ‘Da Vinci Code’ first your post only shown that u are a brain-washed christian.
coz your post ahs nothing to do with
Da vinci code.
If needed tell me and i will post the link to ebook of Dan Brown.
Besides don’t focus on it and search other words as i have mentioned…
First get your perception free of dogmas and brainwashing about chritianity then talk else….
And…A wise saying in this context…
If you start with doubts you will end in certainty, If you start with certainty you will end in doubts…
September 26th, 2008 at 2:50 am
@Deepu
First of all you said you dint want to comment on my comments…
Then you said you are not reading my comments….
Now you are commenting to my comments, which means you are reading my comments….
Well, first of all you are trying to convince yourself…
There is nowhere in the Bible that 25th December is Jesus’s Birthday. Thats just symbolizing Christs Birth and its a tradition to celebrate His birth, since he came to die for mankind.
And for your info, I dint copy any info that was above, I typed it all by myself not like you googling around to find some negative points..
DaVinci Code’s main theory is that Christ has escaped crucifixtion and married Mary Magdalene. If Christ was crucified, risen and ascended to heaven where is the question of he marrying someone??
Well I was just sharing one point and for that itself Mr. Deepak says
“Brevity is the Soul of Wit”(corrected)
If I start explaining everything you’ll never read it….
Anyway friends, its upto you to believe it.
God bless you all..
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended into hell.
The third day He rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Christian Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.
September 26th, 2008 at 3:11 am
That prayer is hopefuuly the best escape for you to answer soem critical questions..
And when i wrote i wasn’t reading ..really i wasn’t reading…
when no. of post went up i started reading whatever u said..
According to Da vinci code christ never escaped or tried to do so from
crucification… to marry Mary Magdallen..It was about finding ‘The Holy Grail’…get your facts right boy.
and as u escaped the other searches and calling them NEGATIVE only shows How BIASED you are and you even can’t face the facts provided by people who have been or are or call them True Christian..and that may be true coz they are not brain-washed like you, they are tolerant to other’s faith, they are not missionaries..and for those christian God is an individual quest…a very personal journey…and no evangelic brainwashing like with u Fake christian or Hypocrite brain-washed people.
I suggest you to read ‘The Bible’ again….. and not it’s translation and interpretation..like you did with vedas and interpretted thing according to your ‘Missionary Agenda’…Like vedas are in sanskrit..so is true Bible is in codes and language other than English…Get your Dogmas washed by ‘The True wisdom of God’…Even if it’s about bible…and Christianity….
About 25th December then It’s was a particular Roman festival..falled on that day…and to blend christian belifs and culture with roman the emperor in accordance with church order to celebrate this day as ‘Birth of Jesus Christ’…and other ciltures as well used to have their festivals in last week of December every year..
So, It was blending of People’s old faith with new culture to give them a new and very well accepted culture..my boy..
Go get washed your brainwashed mind with some gems of facts, wisdom and Truth..then talk else…got my point boy.
September 26th, 2008 at 3:17 am
Ajit:
You cannot compare Hinduism with Christianity. Hinduism is a complex religion with no single prophet or book. If you define Christianity as a religion, Hinduism is a multitude of religions, all happily co-existing.
For every single philosophy in Hinduism (e.g.: Adwaita), there will be a counter philosophy (e.g.: Dwaita). Hinduism is a truly polytheistic and all-encompassing religion. You can’t quote selected texts and compare with a simplistic Bible.
If the missionaries introduced Jesus to Hindus, without saying that the Hindu Gods shouldn’t be prayed to, He would have found a place next to Rama, Krishna, Shiva & Sai Baba.
The problem lies in missionaries’ insisting that all the Hindu practices and rituals should be abandoned (With some of them just being cultural, or for the well-being the people, with no religion. e.g.: Yoga)
September 26th, 2008 at 3:23 am
Initialy i didn’t read..the when no. of post increased i strted reading whatever Dogmas you posted here.
FYI Da vinci code is not about denying crucification of Jesus and then marrying Marry Magdalene,
It’s about the search of ‘Holy grail’..
get your facts correct..the way you ignored other crucial facts and words and used prayer to escape from the truth …that a True christian wud have never done..so your behaviour only shows your Missionary agenda of being here and posting whatever you are told about brain-washing people…
If possible, read teh original source of bible and it’s codes…that will be nearly impossible to u coz u people always get a translation and interpretation of Bible by some one else..
But as you interpreted Vedas, upnishads , so can be done with the biblical codes..and so can be interpreted ‘The Holy Bible’..
Go read again ‘The Bible’ this time if possible to u read it without your preconceived ideas and dogmas…but whatever you will find there is only what the church has allowed to be written there..as The Church has only allowed the gospel that were in it’s interest to rule the masses..and many of the original gospel are kept away..search about Gospel of Thomas or last gospel found…
Jesus save you from being brain washed about bible and christianity…and about him…and give you the wisdom to find the true salvation in religion and not in Missionary agenda.
September 26th, 2008 at 4:33 am
@Bharath
Yes Bharath thats the central point of christianity, Christ is NOT one of the Gods…
To be more clear let me just ask you one question… How many fathers can a person have??
One for prosperity, one for education, one for money….etc how many fathers do you or I have?? I have only one father and similarly I have only one God who can provide everything for me, after all He is the creator of all…
@Deepu
Please have your facts right…
The basis of DaVinci code is what I had mentioned above…. Its just one point out of the many allegations made…
For example Leonardo’s painting of The Lords supper. If the person next to Jesus is Mary, where is John?? There are only the 12 disciples and Jesus in the painting.
ALso when the bible was written, there were many gnostic gospels written, which did not have the message what Christ had preached hence are not a part of the Bible… Its a loong history.
Anyways amidsts all these controvarsial issues is Christ…
So you all know He existed, infact you believe he existed…
So why are you not able to digest the fact that He came for mankind and submitted Himself as a sacrifice inspite of all the proofs I gave…
You want to believe some stories that were written by humans based on their intellects, but forget to understand that even Bible was obtained from differnet places with a central view point(which could not have happened with human intellects without any form of quick communication )….
Quran, Bible, Hindu Vedas… all speak about Christ. There must be something about this person.. Right??
A small court case today creats various variety of stories. But the story that has integrity stands to be true with the evidences.
Similarly I believe in Christ…
Coming to the translation and stuff, you need to know that there are several translations of the Bible and when we read we do a comparitive study of all these translations.
But Deepu, you view it like a story and hence are not able to experience the gist behind Christ and His mission….
He had to die on the Cross.
If you dont know the central message behind the DaVinci Code, please see this
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da_Vinci_Code
The Holy Grail is just a part of the whole allegation
September 26th, 2008 at 4:52 am
http://www.lifewithoutlimbs.org/
This persons testimony may help you..
September 26th, 2008 at 5:08 am
@ Ajit
Firat convince yourself what I was asking….then see what you replied, keeping in mind the agenda behind your replies, Holy grail is not just a part of the theme in fact, it’s the theme of Da vinci code..now try not to divert the topic and confine it to
Da Vinci Code…
I have no objection that Jesus existed and in fact i never found him in my religious literature..soem days ago some Dr. Jakir naiyak kind of stuff posted the same thing about Prophet Mohammad PBUK giving refrence of Rig veda, the gimmick behind this lies in Symbols andd their interpretations..in fact this topic was too in Da Vinci Code.(sybols and interpretations)..so u can make any story about anything just trying to find and establishing a link between these 2 things….sheer gimmick. and nothing else.
I have nothing to do with your beliefs..today u believe in chirst or if tomorrow u start doubting his very existance..it’s none of my business…But keep your faiths to urself and don’t try to proseltyse innocent people..and Stories based on YOUR FICTION…
God is an individual quest…and you people are still stuck with crucification..and one man..Jesus…what happened to the history of mankind before then…Read Ancient Indian literature and find the height of spirituality what Hinduiam has preached..your Theosophy finds it’s roots in Hinduism….You wud have never gone to Shrimadbhagwat Geeta…it tells about soul that never dies and your are stuck with living and dying and resurrecting..Geeta preaches even about incarnation ..to this Modern Science is even surprised that it exists…So boy when you are just learning in kindergarten level..then don’t try to preach to people who are masters and Ph.D in the same field…get your table cramp..and just show off to those even don;t even how how to count…or are at your own level..such is the difference between Hinduism and Christianity…u are in K. G. level..so u will never be able to understand the higher things…like u just learned mathematical operations..and are overwhelmed with them…it’s we Hindus who invented them long ago u came to know the very existence and importance of things.
September 26th, 2008 at 5:34 am
@Deepu
What happened before Christ is written in the Old Testement of the Bible. Please read and then comment…
The reason why Christ had to come is also there in your Vedas.
The comments I posted sometime back were written by Hindu philosophers and priests, so you cannot talk about their Ph.D and Masters intellects.
Read them again from their original sites if you want..
http://insearchofpeace.org/3v17issue.htm
September 26th, 2008 at 5:47 am
What is the proof that the people who said so (ur mentioned hindu scholars) are not corrupt or have been bribed???
Like you used money and facilities for proseltysing poor Hindus.
You wud have surely did that to get a comment and that is quite possible.
they are wolves in sheep’s clothings..what to speak of them…
Like you used money and facilities for proseltysing poor Hindus.
And denying to those who denied conversion.
And what a height of meanliness & cheapness you started it here..
September 26th, 2008 at 5:49 am
@ Deepu
Take your dogmas and shove it up to deepak kamat’s ass from where it came.
September 26th, 2008 at 5:53 am
@Deepu
Okay then go check the Vedas your
self…
Check if what they have refereed come from Vedas or not… Simple…
September 26th, 2008 at 5:58 am
@ Ajit,
You make me laugh.
September 26th, 2008 at 5:59 am
@Deepu
Forceful conversion and Land Grabbing are done by you people. All bribing and etc mall practices are done by you people because you think you are Gods… How cheap…
Read this
http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov302007/scroll2007113038609.asp?section=frontpagenews
September 26th, 2008 at 6:02 am
@Ajit
So u want me to waste my time over searching the interpretation of what those people have made..while ignoring the conditions under what they did so(bribery or life-threat)…quite ridiculus….
Boy this is just a symbol and interpretation game….(quoting and intentionally misquoting to some advantage)….
I am beyond these gimmicks…and if you have so much time then find another MISinterpretation and paste it here …saying blah blah and blah…
September 26th, 2008 at 6:06 am
@Deepu
You have no words to say…
You are just hardening your heart just like Deepak…
You will never believe even when God will come and tell you….
Misinterpretation is what you are having and you will know it some day…
I have done my job as Christ commanded its your wish to accept or reject….
September 26th, 2008 at 6:15 am
Ajit Dogma: You are just hardening your heart just like Deepak… You will never believe even when God will come and tell you….
Reality: I did not know that following Christ softens your heart. WHy don’t you get a Cardiologist’s statement for the same.
Dogma: Misinterpretation is what you are having and you will know it some day…
Reality: Only fanatics feel that they have the truth.
Dogma: I have done my job as Christ commanded its your wish to accept or reject….
Reality: Well, I am a mortal. I did not know that.
September 26th, 2008 at 6:19 am
@Deepak
You too will know about it some day….
I am sorry for the trouble I gave all you guys..
Take Care,
God Bless You…
If you have doubts I can clarify, I you are finding faults, sorry I cant do anything for that…
September 26th, 2008 at 6:25 am
@ Ajit
Whatever you said is simply what a typical missionary will say in frustration while trying to proseltyse the people having other faith than him…such an intolerance can only be found in youpeople and not in Hinduism..~Vasudhaiv Kutumbakam~
What to speak rest of all, that only engravotate your frustration..and what to speak a person who is still been struck with some incident that happened 2000 yrs. ago..and he thinks it’s the only reality..while Life on the other hand has ever been everlasting..it was before Jesus and will remain after Jesus…
A little short story for you chap:
A little boy was fascinated with the idea of god(stucken with some dogmas about god like you)..went in field..he called out god
Boy: God can you hear me??
A bird just strted charping.
Boy(feeling he got no response asked again): god can i feel you, if you are there??
Just then a breezed passed by.
Boy(feeling he got no response asked again):God if you there please reply, I want to hear you?
Just then there was thunder in the sky and lightening.
Boy(this time getting angry): God if you are there please tell me can i see you?
Just then the SUN appeared out of dark clouds and shone.
Boy(This time bursting into tears):
God if you are there please do let me believe that you exist and allow me to touch you to feel you??
Just then somehow a butterfly came and toughed the boy at his hand.
Then that boy went his home believing that God exist no where…
Now was it the fault of the GOD or of the Boy who was preconceived and brain-washed by GOD…
That is worth noting.
September 26th, 2008 at 6:32 am
It is the prevailing deep rooted problems in Hindu society has paved the ways for the missionaries to engage in conversion act. Similarly our Swamijis and Babas are taking advantage of free society of Western countries. Local low caste people are kept at a bay without any access to religious scriptures and rituals and we gleefully watch when the Western people, described in our scriputers as “mletchcha” countries, recite mantras and perform our rituals. If our so called, self proclaimed, hindu leaders don’t address these social issues whatever written or discussed in this blog will be a mere “shadow boxing”.
Just imagine, what would have happened had US been a hardline Christian country like Saudi Arabia???? So the US free society is blessing in disguise for us to reform ourselves and discover the lost righ heritage and culture.
September 26th, 2008 at 6:36 am
@Deepu
You dont read what I post and expect me to read your misinterpretations…..
Matthew 10
14If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. 15I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. 16I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.
September 26th, 2008 at 7:28 am
@ AJIT
what a height of hypocrisy; you stole your reply from someone else’s word.
And who is such determined kind of missionary, that he doesn’t have the tolerance of being denied by people.
And who calls wolves to people whom he can’t convince or can’t understand their view….only use people can use abuse against people who denied ur half-baked truth or your level of spirituality….you people can accept the waters to flow upwards while it’s natural course is to flow downwards and if water denied so u try to use fear of hell, end-times, judgement-day..etc.etc…to get him back to accept your idea or if these things fails u won’t spare them of abusing…
This is another fine example of hypocricy…
For you lad:
Quote from ‘Holy Bible’…
Even Satan can use scriptures to convince you of committing what it wants to you to do….something like that i read in bible….
And you are no different to me this time in this way….as far as your agenda (missionary agenda) is concerned..
September 26th, 2008 at 7:41 am
My dear Deepu,
Did I abuse you now?? What are you speaking?
Yes, every statement has its context. Satan will quote the scriptures to do do anything against God, Christ and the Bible itself..
If your ears are shut and you are not able to believe that Christ can save you thats your descision…
Christ was there from the beginning
John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.
……
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ ” 16From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another. 17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,[e][f]who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.
September 26th, 2008 at 7:45 am
@Deepu
I am not steling someone else’s word.
See this
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.
So you know now that when I teach I teach from the Word of God..
September 26th, 2008 at 8:00 am
@ Ajit
what made you use ‘Matthew10′ to call indirectly people who don’t listen you to call wolves and yourself sheep….. to them whatever u said may seem childish coz they have been inherited and achieved a height in spiritualism that is bench-mark for other religion….and boy we wud not try hard tpo convince you of something that is beyond ur 14 capability of understanding..like the height and vast essence of Hinduism spirituality….
Now ask a Biblical scholar; they will interepret your postings as they feel right upto ur 1st to 14th point ..it’s not necessarily the JESUS but as you said in ur 1st point of John 1 …..according to me that HE is the ineffable name of GOD probably…YHVH.
As Islamic people say and diifer quitely from u people both Jesus and Moses are messanger of God….and They(Islamic people) say that Jesus was not resurrected…and you are bent on it…so probably ur previous post were targetted on ur this difference of beliefs…We hindus don’t bother about this resuurection was or not…We don’t deny Jesus..
But to us God is an individual quest..that we have to find at our own….through our own enlightenment…but enlightenment is something beyond you missionary people..it will take u lives to get there to understand it…
and boy only ur 15th John 1 can speaks clearly about Jesus..and rest of all in ur post is ur assumption about Jesus while that He can be Ineffable name of God…YHVH.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:01 am
Again a quote for you from Bible.
This will make you understand why missionaries come and serve in remote places not worrying about their life and health
You ought to read about Paul, who was once persecuter of Christians. He also killed many christians
Phillippienes 1:21-24
For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:10 am
@Deepu
Sheeps among the wolves can actually be compared to missionaries among bajrang dal activists in orissa.
I dint mean you as a wolf, but quoted a bible verse which urges us christians not to argue.
And if you think whatever quoted by me as my interpretation. Tell me which ones and I will get the equivalent Bible verse for you..
September 26th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Rock, You are one sane voice. First of all, missioanaries whether Hindu or Christian should n’t be aggressive. Show the world what you are by living by your word. Then people will follow you. Second stay away from politics and hypocrisy. Don’t try to make India “Hinduraj”. That is Nazi philosophy, not good for Hindus, the ones I know as a friendly bunch.
Bharat, you can say whatever about “Christians” not accepting other gods, things are not going to change. That is in the DNA. We believe there is only one path, one truth and one life to salvation which is the resurrected Christ. To tell you the truth, in early church there were questions about Jesus, “son of God” status and two forms. Now there is only one line of thought. That apart, I personally beleieve he was the Messiah (for a whole number of reasons) and we really don’t need any other “demigods” or go betweens. Also, the NT really takes a lax stand with sin really. “sin” as if in karmic Papa was big with Judaism. Christian faith an evolution from Judaism and so called New testament. I will be happy to see if Hindusim really “streamlines” its varied methods. THERE CANNOT BE NUMEROUS WAYS TO SALVATION, (accordng to Big Me) because there is only one truth. Men tried for centuries to attain Moksha/salvation but failed. As per Christianity, Jesus is a gift. I am not trying to proselatyze. Just trying to get some understanding here.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:36 am
@ Ajit
Well I don’t need any bible versus of you…to comment on me….I can find plenty of them on net…many of them are worth reading…and preaching if you don’t have an agenda to use them for blackmailing poor people.
Better Keep them to u to cleanse your conscience, and stop proseltising (converting) poor helpless people by working on their need and lust..whichever serves your purpose.
Ok what did u Christian people do on the Knights in 1300 century, Read da Vinci Code for details..or search when knights templers were killed on
Friday October 13, 1307…and it was so called sheeps who killed those innocent people..to know why read Da Vinci Code…
Beside read…..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hunt
and how so called sheeps killed womans with talents in the name of Witch-hunt…
Hope you would find some bible versus to justify this killing now…
September 26th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Deepu, stop using “Da vinci code” for attaks. Tell you the truth, I did not read it and did not want to give my money for the movie either. That is just my policy. If you have to understand the “attcks” on christian faith you have to learn history from the 5 the BC, since when Jews where awaiting for their “deliverer”. Ever since ethe start of this faith people have tried to kill it (of course that is how it started)but like a flame it grew. One good thing about it spreading to Europe was that this faith was able to stop Islam from spreading to Europe and hence even stopping from spreading all around the world. There are all types of people who will like to see the end of Christianity including atheists, hard core hebrews who believe Jesus was the “stumbling block” for their religion, to modern liberal jews who think religion is the reason they got killed in Germany (or atleast they want to kill a god who was not there to save them) and ofcourse fundamentalist Muslims and Hindutwavadis . So ever since European society got liberated there has been attacks on Christianity. Ofcourse the wayward ways of Catholic church and Fundamentalism of evangelicals are not helpinh the faith. If you read Time , Newsweek etc, everytime there is a Christian hloiday, they come up with stories of Jesus’s marriage and human nature, so as to fully “humanize this Christian God eventually. It is so funny that these atheists do not accept the “books” and testaments in the bible which was written 20 to 40 years of Jesus Crucifixion but will expand on later texts from Dead sea scrolls (written after 200) as if they have some validity. Anybody who thinks can understand what types of people cook up these stories. Ofcourse like Kamath crying about Hindu gods, these people do not dare write anything about the “prophet” who himslf had dozens of (known)follies. So, “Davinci code” is what it is - a story. It is not a scientific treatise. They made money out of it because? yes it is about Jesus one of the most inspiring person walked on earth.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
@Deepu and Deepak
Verse for you from the bible
Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your understanding Proverbs 3:5
September 26th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
just musing. It is a simple philosophy. We project our aspiration for freedom from sins to the person Christ (who resurrected) and try to live up to his standard - which was provided by his work when he was walking on earth. The faith provided forgiveness to any sins no matter how many time you do, as long as you turn around. You tell yourself you are not condemned. You can renew yourself. You can be loving to your neighbour. YOu can try to heal the world. That is the strength of Christianity. Of course the moral code originated from Judaic faith provided normal family life as we see now. (esp in Roman empire - you don’t know how perverse that affluent society was.)
Compare it to someone trying all the time to be the “perfect purusha” avoiding all types sins and lusts. That does not ahppen, no matter how many times you read Gita or Veda. Gita is a discourse and Vedas are a way to worship “nature gods”. Then there is a thread of philosphy which is very pliable. Not the only one one its kind in the world. We know how Budha kept doing Tapa for long time then suddenly had realization those things don’t matter and he formed his godless treatise. Then what happend people started to creat Devas in Budhism. By around first century Hindusim adopted Bhakti which is similar to Christianity. But well, I don’t want to hurt anybody. WE don’t have faith in million small gods. They may be or may not be. Some may be spirits with powers, who knows. We don’t need them. Truely. Then our mythical heroes Rama and Krishna… agin I don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings. There is absolutley no proof these things in the mytholgy ever happened, unfortunately. So why should a Christian believe in this million small gods and worship them?
September 26th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Ajith, Jesus showed us that you don’t need to walk as a heard of cattle. Jesus broke the mold. he questioned Jewish laws. I believe you have to question things. If you don’t you will not be using internet today. God wanted us to evolve. As per omy understanding, there is only one unpardonable sin. I pray that I don’t do that.
September 26th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
@Ajit
Let me quote First commandment.
“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.”
Now tell me how God can jealous?
Mark 15:34 “My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?”
Was Jesus punished? was jesus un aware of reasons?
any way I can wast much time First commandment is enough for that.
If you want to know where Christianity stands please read the link below so you can at least live in peace.
http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/chapterthirteen.htm
September 26th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
For Any christian? interested in passing good news.
dharmveer@live.com
September 26th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
@ emmarcee :
What proof you are talking about Do you want they should report to you?
Ram shetu any numerous other sites are living examples. what what about Jesus what is the poof about him?
did you ever try to find out? please know about the parties involved before passing judgments.
http://www.hamsa.org/artifice-intro.htm
September 26th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
@Daramveer
Yes my dear friend God will be jealous when you, who are His creation deny that He created you…
if you go tell your father that some person, Mr. X is your actual father not he and you will see how angry your father will become… Isnt it true??
similarly the heavenly father will also be jealous..
September 26th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
@ All,
I think the Church has outsourced Ajit to my site.
September 27th, 2008 at 7:06 am
@Ajit,
You can’t change your ancestor,nowadays science is well equipped to find out your your ancestry.
Check is your any genetic connection with your St.Marks(?)?
I really don’t need to check,coz I m sanatani….n would be for the whole life.
September 27th, 2008 at 7:11 am
@Ajit
referring ur reply 2 dharmaveer
Then I’ll tell ur heavenly father,don’t get panic my “god will bless you n will really entertain you in my heaven”
September 27th, 2008 at 10:25 am
@Deepak and others
and I think deepak is getting loyalty from Bajrang Dal….
I believe we all will meet some day and we’ll find out whos right and whos wrong…
but whatever you say this is the only truth
JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION. HE LOVES YOU AND DIED ON THE CROSS FOR YOU…
September 27th, 2008 at 10:46 am
@ Everyone
This person is a true Christian. Living example of the love of Christ…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3LFBqvvW-M&feature=related
September 27th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Veer don’t start me on Setu. What I am saying that Christians cannot have faith in other gods and the point, “why cannot you accept our god like we accepted yours” is moot. We can live with everybody, unlike some of you. But we cannot be bowing to a million demigods.
September 28th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
I hope christians will stop this conversion nonsense, for their own sake & for the sake of india’s growth. We are fed up with the mission called “spread the good news”. time to grow up & make india a developed nation. We in india, believe in evolution, not in creation.We dont want to be advised to worship which god. Its our wish.And Mr.Ajith, jesus did not die in cross for us, he just died, just like any other man. Period. I hate both this bajrang dal & this so called purified christians.
September 28th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
We cannot deny the fact that religion united people. This unity is the main reason for overall human development & advancement. But now religion has become a frankenstein. religion may eventually be the sole reason of destruction of civilization!
September 29th, 2008 at 1:07 am
@Ajit
Wasn’t ur Jesus a bastard ?
Surprized wit the name ‘Ajit’ sounds more of hindu name than christian?? why is it that u retained such a name…o let me guess was it to feel like 1 of us??? or for reservation in education and jobs????
Let me enlighten u wit a simple fact neither islam nor christianity(both of them are two sides of same coin) wer part of india or its surrounding lands ever…its due castism in hindu which led to conversion of ur forefathers (who happened to be of low caste) since ur forefather wer constantly ignored n humilated by the upper caste….(imagine ur forefather been made to sweep some upper caste people’s shit)
u r propagating ‘JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION. HE LOVES YOU AND DIED ON THE CROSS FOR YOU…’ sounds funny that some one died 2000 yrs ago for me…interesting
‘Islam’ and ‘Chirtianity’ are the greatest invention of the mankind, they are the best tool ever built by humans !!!!!
Read ‘Selfish Gene’ a book on evolution by Richard Dawkins, to know hw these tools are used.
P.S: V dnt need people like u in tis country , y dnt u just shut ur ass n mouth n move away !!
September 29th, 2008 at 1:09 am
THE AJIT DOGMA:
DOGMA: but whatever you say this is the only truth. JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION. HE LOVES YOU AND DIED ON THE CROSS FOR YOU…
REALITY: Can you give me the contract deed where God outsourced divinity to Jesus Christ.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:18 am
If you really care about religion go to a lepper and clean his wounds. I guess ur sins will be forgiven..Do something good for poor people. Please stop having blogs about religion.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:26 am
@Selfish Gene
‘Islam’ and ‘Chirtianity’ are the greatest invention of the mankind, they are the best tool ever built by humans !!!!!
Read ‘Selfish Gene’ a book on evolution by Richard Dawkins, to know hw these tools are used.
YOU ARE READY TO ACCEPT THAT CHRISTIANITY IS A TOOL BY MANKIND BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TOOL ‘Selfish Gene’ BY Richard Dawkins…..
Evolution is one of the worst theories ever, Charles Darwin himself accepted it was false…
Even then its just a theory…
Christianity is a religion made up by mankind…
Bible nowhere speaks about Christianity….
It speaks about following Christs commandments, humility and acceptance of your sins. Also it speaks of God’s love for mankind…
@Deepak
You asked
Can you give me the contract deed where God outsourced divinity to Jesus Christ.
Here is your answer from the Bible
Matthew 3
And Jesus, when he was baptized(By John), went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him(Jesus), and he(John) saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And something from your Hindu Puranans
The Puranas explain the Vedic truths in the form of stories. The Bhavishya Purana1 is the ninth in this set of eighteen sacred books. Its third part is entitled Bharath khand, and the second chapter in the third part is entitled Pratisarg. This chapter has thirty-four verses that clearly tell the story of Jesus Christ and His incarnation. The follow