Replies to abuses in Satyadarshini
Several of the respondents in this website asked me to give a befitting reply to the abuse of Hindu Gods in the book “Satyadarshini”. So, I am giving a Hindu response to the Christian abuse.
Abuse No. 1: Urvashi – the daughter of Narayana– is a prostitute. Vashitha is the son of this prostitute. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)
Urvashi is not a prostitute. She is a celestial nymph. Secondly Vasistha was one of the Saptarishis (Seven Great Sages Rishi) in the seventh, i.e the present Manvantara,[1] and the Rajpurohit / Rajguru of the Suryavamsha or Solar Dynasty. He was the manasaputra of Brahma. He had in his possession the divine cow Kamadhenu, and Nandini her child, who could grant anything to their owners.
Vashisht is credited as the chief author of Mandala 7 of the Rigveda. Vashisht and his family are glorified in RV 7.33, extolling their role in the Battle of the Ten Kings, making him the only mortal besides Bhavayavya to have a Rigvedic hymn dedicated to him. Another immortal treatise dedicated by him to the humanity is “Vashisht Samhita” – a book on Vedic system of electional astrology (Muhurtha/ Muhurt)- based on which theory & principles of electional astrology have emanated & followed through millenniums & which have withstood test of the time.
Abuse no. 2: When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a need for us to liberate his misled followers. (page 50)
Lord Krishna is considerd as an Avatar in Hindu pantheon. He is supposed to have lived around 5,200 years ago. Accordingly, he is supposed to reincarnate whenever adharma increases. There is no reference anywhere which says that he is in hell. I wonder, what divine wisdom the missionaries have when they can see somebody wallowing in hell.
Abuse no. 3: t was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were themselves the victims of lust, it is a sin to consider them as Gods. (page 39)
First of all, Ramayana can be interpreted anyway you want. In fact, the world is a divine illusion. Secondly, creation needs lust. Even the divine missionaries are a product of lust. Everyone has doubts about immaculate conception. I wonder how Jesus was born without pregnancy. It is all fancy stuff. Is it not?
Abuse No. 4: When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others. Their projection as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).
Hinduism is not a single prophet/single book cult like Islam and Christianity. There are 84 schools of thoughts in Hinduism – of which even atheism is a part. Then there are other concepts like duality, non-duality and achintabheda tattwa (where the soul is neither dual nor non-dual). In Hinduism, worship and liberation is a personal affair. Nobody has the right to interefere in other’s mode of worship. There is something called as Vyakti Dharma. It is highly personal. No conversions and interference please.
Abuse No.5: Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so. How can such a “evil brahma” be a Creator of this Universe? How is it possible for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be gods? (page 39)
First of all, there is no sin and no sinner. Sin is a Christian concept. Majority of Hindus consider the universe as leela (divine play). Though there are other variations too, most of the Hindus have pantheistic overtones. They don’t differentiate between the creator and the creation. Most of the Hindus are believers in oneness and pantheism. Note, it is not monotheism of the zealous semitic Gods.
Abuse No. 6: God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are worshipping False Gods that believe in the pleasures of illicit ‘Vyabichari’ relationships. (Page 39).
Swami Vivekananda described the people of India as children of immortality. (Amritasya Putraha). These are the lines from the Upanishads. The soul is not a sinner. It is a spark of the universal divinity. So there is no question of liberating sinners because sin does not exist in the first place. As for the so called “Vyabichar”, it is simple logic to say that the world would stop without sex. Sex is nothing but nature’s mechanism to ensure that individuals reproduce. In fact, we have a deity for sex (Kamadeva or Cupid) in Hinduism. Per se, sex is natural. However, Victorian sensibilities ensure that a lot of guilt is associated with it.
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October 22nd, 2008 at 9:48 am
Vamsi>>If you are looking for something morale why dont you go through the Ramayana>>
Vamsi, should I do the job of Cut&Paste of what Bittu’ is doing to prove you wrong?. Thats exactly the reason, I tried to debate with you in a different angle with debating in a broad spectrum. But you said you dont have time, and but was curious to respond to spammers like BITTU..
. I think Bittu’ has answers for all, who speaks in a language understandable to you.
.. Anyway, I would ask you the other way.. List some of the good Moral teachings/living incidences of Ramayana? I am curious?
>>Shoulders and torso, Vysyas the thigh part and the Sudras represent the Feet of Him (and there are no separate dalits here). >>
Its a welcome thought, to say there is no caste.. But then you should accept the historical facts, and work for the upliftment of those who were oppressed citing hindu doctrine of Varna.. A small,correction.. You can say, all human parts are needed for function of body, but remember Untouchables were not even considered as a part of Brahma…And they equated with animals. If you disagree, I can ask BITTU, to google and post it.. Do you know Untouchables’s find a different state, in Re-birth Karma docrine..(Twice born & Never-Born). Forget discrimination, enlightment/finding oneness with Brahma itsef has good privilege for Brahmin and Dalits.. Im sure you know it all..
>>So, if somebody is looking down upon us why should we bend our heads and develop hatred towards the religion >>
This is exactly what Buddha/Dr.Ambedkar did. Instead of fighting with oppressive caste-Hindus they exited Hinduism itself. This is the same happened in Orrisa. But caste hindus cannot digest that.. So they want them to be back under their feet, in the name of Hinduism..Thats the hidden agenda of RSS/Bajrangal
>>I strongly condemn the evil practices in Hinduism (like untouchability, Sati, murdering etc) if at all it is true hinduism, then I dont want it.>>
I’m sorry..You are condemning the acts of gods,which a man (of his creation)is not entitled to do so, cos then, there is no meaning/need for God. I would suggest you to open your eyes and explore the God, who should be ALL Powerful, alimighty with Absolute holiness,righteousness and justice.. I can only say, seek this pursuit of truth..If you have found the truth, please share with me..I am not confined/bonded to any faith.. I am only on the pursuit of truth, a truth about God.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:55 am
Ajit/Emmarcee, guys, we all should thank Deepak Kamat for rendering a wonderful platform to share the thoughts and expose his ‘RSS/SangParivar Hindu Nationalism”..
I think kamat himself is short of words to bail out his fellow posters here. . I’m sure in this modern era of communication, ‘Truth Prevails” and ‘True God’ exists..
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:03 am
EMMARCEE>>Only Hindutwavadi’s “squabble” about Sankara’s life time.>>
Adi Sankara of Kaladi’s life is well documented in history, well equivalent to (or beyond) Hitler.. Its belived,that the king called for a debate with Buddhist & Hindu scholars, where Adi Sankara won the debate, and for this, he asked the king to exterminate all the Buddhists,and king did so by killing the entire south Indian Buddhists.. Adi Sankara is the father of Hitler & Swastika..
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:18 am
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October 22nd, 2008 at 10:26 am
sapr333>>>Ajit/Emmarcee, guys, we all should thank Deepak Kamat for rendering a wonderful platform to share the thoughts and expose his ‘RSS/SangParivar Hindu Nationalism”..
This is the platform to expose the consipracy of the Missionaries.This is the platform to expose the Hypocrisy of the so called peace loving religion.This is the platform to expose the Character of so called pseduo secularists.This is the platform to unite hindus to fight against Ivanzalization.This is the platform to exterminate the people like Sapr333’s anti national ideology and their Pseduo secularism.
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:34 am
Proudtobehindu>>>This is the platform to expose the consipracy of the Missionaries.>>
You are free to expose, and thats fully guaranteed in Indian constitution, (not raping nuns,murder/torching alive).. I would really appreciate if you could expose them..Only you will to end yourself doing the job of mine..ie, Spread the message of Love, of , Jesus Christ, who asked the mankind to “Love Thy Neighbour”..which is far higher than Sanatana Dharma, claiming of just alone ‘Truth”..
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:37 am
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October 22nd, 2008 at 10:38 am
>>Prasennajeet
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:18 am
JESUS SAID,”I AM THE WAY,THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE”>>
You and I can say.. Even Krishna/Mohammed/Rama claimed much higher talks, in terms of salvation.. But how do we explain this to the common man in his understandable language? How do we evaluate this statment, as a man of God’s creation,with free will…Please work on this..and lets have that kind’a approach..Thanks
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:54 am
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October 22nd, 2008 at 10:56 am
Sapr333
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:56 am
Sapr333
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October 22nd, 2008 at 11:24 am
Proundtobe,
anti national ideology? who said so? Indian hitler? May be don’t want an “Indian Union” where we don’t have freedom of expression!. Did your daddy make India?
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 am
Looks like that platform is sinking!! You better make another one and give membership to only who sign an affidavit saying that they implicitly believe what the sanghparivar says…that Hinduism is an eternal truth revealed through rishis millions of years ago when people used to fly around in Vimanas and people had monkey, elephant and donkey faces, bridges were made by monkeys and squirrels and Lingas sprouted all over the world.
Shut it!
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:30 am
Krishna and Rama did n’t say anything. Prove to me that Gita was written before 200 years BC.
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:36 am
Prasennajeet>>Sapr333
COMPARE LIVES OF ALL THESE PEOPLE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND.
>>
You are right..Thats exactly what we should do.. Lets evaluate the best moral standards given by all those million gods.. Lets not outrightly deny it, rather,debate and evaluate it..
And the end of the day, we all are sure, “Morals Comes from God, and lets find out which teaching gives the best moral standards”, ie, a standard/living history, which we can safely pass on to our Children.. Can we ask our children to follow the Leela’s of Krishna/discrimination of Rama/techings of Jesus Christ, Mohammeds looting/killing/Pedophilia…
Lets decide what we should refer to our children, in their UKG days..
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:41 am
I was wondering where is KAMATH… Supposed to have created this site to bring up Hindu Nationalism..And his monkey brigades have gone to hide out..
I think he tried his Kamathi-Brahminic trick here, trying to attract foot soldiers.. And now, they realised it too..
And , with the ideology of Brahminism, he has gone on a silent mode.. After all, its only their foot soldiers who fight on the front line..
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:55 am
I would request you all to read Bagvat Gita… wiki link is below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita
Please read the para “Overview of Chapters’ where its condensed to 18 lines.. Any one who reads would say, ‘Arujuna holds the best moral standards than Krishna’..And krishna has only tried to convince Arjun to do all the misdeeds, with all possible tricky convincing speeches..
Any one who wants to explore hinduism, should read atleast the synopsis of Bagvad Gita, condensed to 18 titles..
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Sapr333>>> which is far higher than Sanatana Dharma, claiming of just alone ‘Truth”..>>>
If you want to continue the above ideology then you are the breaker of the law in INDIA and you can expect the raping nuns,murder/torching alive/vandalizing the chruches .You dont have any right to accuse the others are vilolating the law,since you dont have any respect on INDIAN constitution.
I have tried my best to convice you and tried to explain you what is meant by secularism in our cpountry.But you can undersatnd only the lagugae of the mangalore/kandhamal attackers.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:18 pm
ProudtobeHindu>>If you want to continue the above ideology then you are the breaker of the law in INDIA>>>
Let me know which law of our land can convict me? Show me some referal judgments,which, can sentence me!! I do respect our laws and stand by it.. Prove me, where Im breaking the law?
>>> and you can expect the raping nuns,murder/torching alive/vandalizing the chruches .>>
A typical RSS/Bajrandal/Simi/Mujahideen… For them, law of land is nothing..
>>You dont have any right to accuse the others are vilolating the law,since you dont have any respect on INDIAN constitution.>>
Prove me where I have violated it. Accusing others is well guaranted, and its your take to prove me wrong.
>>>>I have tried my best to convice you>>
I havent yet convinced.. Can you respond to my posts..please..
>>>>and tried to explain you what is meant by secularism in our cpountry.
Equally, you seems to be OK with demolition of Babri Masjid/Gujrath Genocide/Kandamal/RSS.. Should I learn from you what secularism is all about?
>>>But you can undersatnd only the lagugae of the mangalore/kandhamal attackers.>>
But then, if you think thats the answer, then you should not fret about American denial of Visa to Narendra Modi, or the embarassement what P.M got in France about Kandamal..
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Sapr333>>>Let me know which law of our land can convict me?
According to the indian constitution ,you can pratice your religion without distrubing other people’s sentiments.This you(means the people whom you are supporting) have violated.
According to the indian constitution ,One should not do the conversions either through the force,indument & distrubuting the abusive literature on other religions.In this scenario also you are Terribly failed to follow the law of land
A typical RSS/Bajrandal>>>>>
Fisrt teach your missionary gurus how to give respect to the other religions and then talk about RSS/Bajarangdal
I havent yet convinced.. Can you respond to my posts>>>
You havent respond to my concerns raised about the stupid thing practiced by your religion in the whole world.
Equally, you seems to be OK with demolition of Babri Masjid/Gujrath >>>
You dont have any respect on the other religions in INDIA ,this is so funny that you are talking about the secualrism.
denial of Visa to Narendra Modi, or the embarassement what P.M got in France about Kandamal>>>
If PM got the embarassement when 86 year old swamiji was killed by your missionaries & the abusive staemenets that your religious fanatics are making then I dont have any fret.
American denial of Visa to Narendra Modi >>>
NASA susupended 5 scientists when INDIA conducted the nuclear tests in pokhran.It Doesnt mean that they dont have any value in INDIA.You must know that INDIA’S pride does not depend on US response.Yor are physically INDIAN ,but mentally you are an anti-national and dont have any respect on INDIA and its constitution.
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:25 pm
ProudTobehindu>>without distrubing other people’s sentiments.>>
I do agree with you, its not alone religous sentiments, one should not hurt anyones/any type of sentiment… Now let me know which part of SatyaDarshini (taken from Hindu scriptures alone) has hurt your sentiments? Shall we discuss in detail and debate the subject,which the owner of this forum has terribly failed to do so.. I swear I will not hurt your sentiments. Come to action here, instead of throwing off the collar remarks..
>>Fisrt teach your missionary gurus how to give respect to the other religions >>
As a human,I will definitely respect a hindu to respect a Hindu,Moslem,sikh etc. Correct me if I had done any mistakes on that….But how can I respect a worldview/ideology/Philosophy which I dont like..Will you respect a ideology,which asks them to blast all hindus, just because they are claimed to be infidels? You and I, do have every right to reject it, as its guaranteed in the constitution..Its my right..
>>You havent respond to my concerns raised about the stupid thing practiced by your religion in the whole world>>
If I had missed any thing by mistake, please repost it again..Thanks.
>>you are an anti-national and dont have any respect on INDIA and its constitution>>
The courts has to say.. Christians in India command a less Crime-rate…(added to Literacy/Per Capita income/Health care index..Pls check our national statistics)
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:33 pm
>>NASA susupended 5 scientists when INDIA conducted the nuclear tests in pokhran.It Doesnt mean that they dont have any value in INDIA.>>
I agree with you..But its not just Americans, its the U.N/Europe totally disagree with India on the human rights violation.
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Prudobe, hey your sentinments are hurt? poor baby!! Go hide and cry, OK. Or go and rape a nun.
You know why india has such a law… because there are a lot of uneducated masses in India who can be incited by any reference to their million gods or the prophet . Because we have a backward system. Still your people use the western system of openthinking (which started 2 centuries ago) to attack christianity. tell me which one do you prefer? an open one or a very narrow minded society?. Listen your opinion does not matter. This is the age of internet. You cannot suffocate truth by any backward law.
O yes, and also some states have promoted backward laws and some Hindu Judges have sided with them regaridng the anticonversion laws. They say, you can propagate but it does not say convert. What kind of backward stupidity is this? A
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Sapr333>> Now let me know which part of SatyaDarshini (taken from Hindu scriptures alone) has hurt your sentiments?
You still doesnt understand what I am saying.I dont have any problem if you pratice your religion on its values.If you say Jesus is good I dont have any problem.But if you say Lord Rama or Krishna are bad,then the confilct raises and you will become the originator and held resposnible for all the Consequences.
As a human,I will definitely respect a hindu to respect a Hindu,Moslem,sikh etc>>>
Here I agree with you if you give respect to all religions.But you & I dont have any right to say that one religion is correct and other is worng.We have written a constitution and you we have to follow that.
Spar333>>Christians in India command a less Crime-rate>>
When compared with the other religions like hindu,sikh & muslims I agree that you have less population.But it doesnt mean that they are an innocent.
Sapr333>>I agree with you..But its not just Americans, its the U.N/Europe totally disagree
The humans rights were violated when kashmiri pandits were massacred and thrown out of kashmiti valley.The human rights were violated when hundereds of hindu women were kidnaped & raped in NE states.The human rights were violated when 59 hindu passengers were burned alive in a train.The human rights were violated when the conversions were happeining through force and inducement.If you and UN or Europe justifies all these things ,then I am ready to talk about kandhamal or godhra or anything.
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:59 pm
why don’t we keep mom about castism too. why can’t we bring back Sati? It is all religious, right? somebody’s shallow ego is going to get hurt.
October 22nd, 2008 at 2:02 pm
You are talking just the same as some fanatic Muslim saying you cannot criticize Quran or the prophet. Will you respond the same to atheists as wll? There were many atheists in the past who questioned all types of problems within the Hindu Culture. Did you have a problem?
October 22nd, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Hey baby emmarcee ,
A simple logic.The survival of minorities in our country depends on how they behaves and gives respect to the majority people sentiments.If their sentiments were hurted then you may have to witness more and more kandhamals & kanratakas.
October 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
emmarcee>>why don’t we keep mom about castism too
Please read my previous replies to sapr333
October 22nd, 2008 at 2:39 pm
You are talking just the same as some fanatic Muslim saying you cannot criticize Quran or the prophet>>>
I can give equal respect to your religion as what I am giving to mine.If you starts abusing then I dont have any respect on you and your religion.The basic idea is Give respect and take respect.
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Your religion in your temple. I have the right to speak about my faith withanybody who is willing to listen. If you mean threat, well that is nothing new for Christians. It will just show the good side of your Sanatana Dharma- resorting to terror because it cannot expllain itself to others in a civil way.
You must be really foolish to think that I feel threatened by your online posting.
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:12 pm
and by the timing of your posting I am sure that you are sitting in some Christian country licking white’s boots for dollars. Now all you want is Hindu Dharma!
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Proud, I had some respect till you started demanding to get respect!!
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Hey Baby emmarcee
I am just giving you the caution that what happens if ypu didnt give respect to the other religions.Dont get exicited.Hindus are much tolerent people thats why people like you are able to survive in INDIA.The great side of your religion’s nepotism has seen by this world several times in Asia & Africa.You and your religion have no religious tolerance and talking about peace.This is nonsense ,utter nonsense
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Hey Baby emmarcee
Everyone knows in INDIA who is licking the white’s boots and converting their religion just because of dollors and a bag of rice.
October 22nd, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Proudtobe>>>But if you say Lord Rama or Krishna are bad,then the confilct raises and you will become the originator and held resposnible for all the Consequences.>>
So you deny and oppress the questioning authority of others? You dont respect individual rights!! (like Brahminism did to 95% of mass).. You dont want to explore the truth? You dont want to some to ask dobuts and clarifications about your mythology?
If someone says bad, whats wrong with you in proving him wrong.. Take for eg, out here in this site, Deepak kamat says Christians are Bad, Karan thapar,Sonia Gandhi is bad etc etc..of even some one said Christ is bad.. Just because we say ‘FIRE” our toungues wont get burnt.. Boy!! come out of your own 2000 year old oppressive mindset, by which, you dont want to be criticised/questioned..The days are over…We are in a small world. Every thing gets scrutinized..
October 22nd, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Proudtobehindu to Emmarcee>>>Everyone knows in INDIA who is licking the white’s boots and converting their religion just because of dollors and a bag of rice.>>
If the adherents of Hindu philosophy could be bought for a bag of rice, then there must be something terribly wrong with the truth in Hindu philosophy..No religions in the world has publicly stated this.
>>The survival of minorities in our country depends on how they behaves and gives respect to the majority people sentiments>>
Again you are showing your lack of respect for Individuals rights. You expect others to respect only the majority’s rights!!
>>Hindus are much tolerent people >>
First of all, you are not even tolerant to Critcs!! Find out yourself the meaning of tolerance.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Sapr333>> You dont want to explore the truth? You dont want to some to ask dobuts and clarifications about your mythology>>
Distributing the abusive literatre on other religions is not the way of expressing doubts.Every one in this world knows how your racist religion has given rights to the Indian people when they are ruling INDIA.You dont want other religions live peacefully.You dont want other religions should persist in this world.You will consider a person as a human only if he is a christian.
Sapr333>>If the adherents of Hindu philosophy could be bought for a bag of rice, then there must be something terribly wrong with the truth in Hindu philosophy>>>
You are absolutely incorrect.If that is that is the case then this dharma cant be survived these many thousands of years.In INDIA,90% of the converted people into christianity are poor.This clearly shows how the missionaries are pratcising incorrect & unlawful ways for their religion propaganda in the name of service.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:49 pm
sapr333>>>Again you are showing your lack of respect for Individuals rights. You expect others to respect only the majority’s rights!!>>>
I am telling you a simple thing.If you respects your neighbour,he wil also respects you.If you not,then dont cry that he is not giving respect or allowing you to speak.correct yourself.Grow man.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Sapr333>>>come out of your own 2000 year old oppressive mindset, by which, you dont want to be criticised/questioned>>
I think you are like a frog which always thinks that the well which it resides is the entire world.You know only 2008 years.Before that so many things happend.This greatest nation was there and the people lived in its golden era before so many many years of your so called God’s birth.
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Proudtobe>>Distributing the abusive literature on other religions is not the way of expressing doubts>>
Can any of you Bajrangi’s here come out the abusive parts of SatyaDarshini.. Saying goes “Truth Hurts”!! Sanatana Dharma is all about Truth isnt it.. Why you dont want to come out and prove SatyaDarshini is FALSE..and conclude its abusive. Why no one in this forum has attemped to discuss on this.
>>You will consider a person as a human only if he is a christian.>>
Christian dogma says, God created every human out of his image, and hence he is entitled to have the basic dignity. With this faith, I would treat all as equal, be it a Hindu/Moslem/or a hindu untouchable, all are same.
>>>You dont want other religions should persist in this world.>>
We are evaluating various philosphies/worldviews in our pursuit of God. The logical/meaningful/truthful one which take us to True God will survive. Its a freedom of expression and pursuit of truth..Instead, if I calls to exterminate/Oppress other religious people(like Islam does), its wrong, as we are violating others basis dignity entiteled to him by God(even if he is Hindu/moslem)
>>>>In INDIA,90% of the converted people into christianity are poor.>>
Inspired by the teachings of Jesus Christ & the Christian thought of upliftment, they are Educated,Empowered & Liberated, and now you would find them commanding the highest in national Index of Literacy/Per Capita/Health Care/Women Ration/Women literacy..If you have doubt, please visit the indian census & statistics site.
>>If you respects your neighbour,he wil also respects you>>
Respecting a human.YES.I love hindus rather.. Yes!!.. But how can one respect an ideology which he doesnt agree with.Its his personal thing. You will respect a Moslem, but will you respect his Mohammedian Ideology of killing infidel,bomb blasts etc? Talk sense..
>>This greatest nation was there and the people lived in its golden era before so many many years of your so called God’s birth>>
Thats a pride for a Nationalist,Archelogist,Demographist and for every Indian citizen..Out here we are talking about God, God of this universe, not gods of India.
October 23rd, 2008 at 12:41 am
Proudtobe>>>This greatest nation was there and the people lived in its golden era before so many many years of your so called God’s birth>>
You are trying to prove the existence of hindu god’s by relating to India’s ancient culture…TI just feel pity..
hen, there much better ancient/well developed civilizations like SUMERIANS were there, much before Indian Civilization.. If you were to present the arugument that way, then, will you agree to the point, that, the concept of Indian gods are weaker than Sumerian god..
October 23rd, 2008 at 12:50 am
Sapr333>>>Can any of you Bajrangi’s here come out the abusive parts of SatyaDarshini.. Saying goes >>>
If you say that the junk book satyadarshini doesnt consists of any abusive literature then I can say that there is no wrong in attacking the chruches in karnataka/kandhamal.
Sapr333>>> With this faith, I would treat all as equal, be it a Hindu/Moslem/or a hindu untouchable, all are same.>>
If the above mentioned thing is true and you
treats all humans are equal then dont do any conversion.Let a hindu be hindu,muslim be muslim…etc.Dont distrub INDIA’s secularism & and its basic iadea
Sapr333>>>Its a freedom of expression and pursuit of truth>>
Your freedom of speech has already crossed the limits.Thats why these communal riots are happening in INDIA.Your religion has oppressed so many civilizations oin the history.Dont act like an innocent peace lover.
Sapr333>>>Inspired by the teachings of Jesus Christ & the Christian thought of upliftment>>
I can find whaterver here you are saying is too too ridiculous one.Can missionaries do the same service without asking any person to convert.This is totally absurd.All the service they are offering is a mask for religious conversion.
spar333>>> You will respect a Moslem, but will you respect his Mohammedian Ideology of killing infidel>>
Till now I heared your utter nonsense argument.Finally, I will respect you and your family ,until unless you became a threat to my family or for my religion or my nation.
sapr333>>Out here we are talking about God, God of this universe
Here we are talking about the age of INDIAN civilization,but not about the God
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:44 am
Proudtobehindu>>If you say that the junk book satyadarshini doesnt consists of any abusive literature then I can say that there is no wrong in attacking the chruches in karnataka/kandhamal>>
Thats your ideology of retaliation, tit-tat..
Where as Jesus Christ said Matt. 5:38-42, “If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also”. Now tell me, which one of these teaching has the best moral standards?
>>Here we are talking about the age of INDIAN civilization,but not about the God
I do respect Indian civilization. If you identify God with culture, then you would take a footing..Cos, Any culture which hasnt respected basic human dignity,equal opportunity for all, freedom of thoughts, is bound to die.. History has recorded lot such things.
SAPR333>You will respect a Moslem, but will you respect his Mohammedian Ideology of killing infidel>>
Proud hindu responds>>>Till now I heared your utter nonsense argument.Finally, I will respect you and your family ,until unless you became a threat to my family or for my religion or my nation.>>>
I respect a Hindu, but not a hindu ideology, as I feel its a threat to my family and younger generation due its bad moral standards of its god’s living story,and to our nation due to its oppressive/discriminatory ideology/anti-social inequality ideolgies…
October 23rd, 2008 at 2:23 am
I AM PROUD TO BE A HINDU TOO>>>>>>>
Ohh!!! u wanna explore the truth eh???? first find out the truth how was Jesus born so called virgin n stuff, u mean his mom or who eva wasnt even carrying and he jus dropped from nowhere eh????
Or he was an orphan left out on the streets and jus becos his mother wasnt given pleasures by his father, she put out this falsehood.
Learn and explore the truth abt yr religion first instead of talking abt us.
As i had listed out before, u donno when and how yr own Christ was born, how and when did he die if at all he died??
There are theories that claim he was jus unconscious and he got conscience by the 3rd day, he wasnt dead n all.
And this is put by Muslims who believe Jesus as a Prophet.
So correct yr wrongs before speaking ill abt other religions.
Hindu civilizations have seen many such oppressions, killings… But never ceased to exist.
You christians will never be able to wipe off Hinduism jus like you did with Jews, Zorasters etc…
And you christians talk abt peace?????
1. Britishers are the same christians who ruled INDIA for 300 years with oppression, killings, rape etc inspired by yr so called Peace loving God JESUS CHRIST.
2. Portuguese were christians too, who invaded Africa and colonized other states and did all wrongs like slavery, prostitution, murders rapes were inspired by the same JESUS.
3. America or the US invaded Iraq, dropped nuclear bomb on Japan, invaded Afghanistan, were inspired by the same Jesus.
4. Australians, invaded the local aborigines, removed their basic rights, raped, murdered, killed so many native australians were inspired by the same Jesus Christ.
All these nations or ppl were of the strong Christian Fundamentals mind you!!! And you ppl speak of tolerance, peace etc??? its jus a peace of shit.
Jus becos u are arnd 2% or so in India, u are talking abt peace etc….once u grow ( which wont be allowed in India) u ll show yr true colors u chameleons.
Wheneva, yr extremism and fundamentalism increases there ll be many more Kandhamals and Gujarats and Karnatakas.
And all these should be quite ok for you christians as you are getting a taste of yr own medicine. Enjoy it!!!!
You do more there ll be more on yr way. And this is how we are, if u don like staying here with us u can please leave to Italy, France, US etc. Please. no1 is holding u here.
October 23rd, 2008 at 2:40 am
To,
Proudtobehindu and
Bharath
Veda = wisdom and also all scriptures are wisdom right!!
wow!! how much wisdom is there!!!!
HOW TO RAPE,HOW TO MURDER,HOW TO INSEST,HOW TO BEAT WIFE,HOW TO SEX WITH NEGHBOURS WIFE.
HOW GREAT WISDOM IS THIS. EVERY SHOULD PROUD TO BE HINDU
October 23rd, 2008 at 9:18 am
well,
I think there is no point here since it looks like we are debating with some “MORONS”. Sorry. had to spell it out.
Hey Proudtobebehind, if you really read the blog, the real dialogue here did not have anything to do with the stuff Bittu put in!. I don’t agree with those cut and paste stuff. I think Sapr is with me too. That is for “Hate sites”. We don’t hate Hindus. We all have plenty of dear Hindu friends. I will never say or do anything to hurt them. But,
The way the Hindu fanatics are going after the missionaries (I am not the evangelical Christian, I am a traditional Indian Eastern Christian- if you know anything about Christianity), is disgusting. You are talking about Missionaries “giving money” and enticing “poor” people to convert is pure nazi propaganda. I wil always fight against this nazi idea in India. My India as I know was not fascists and the Hindu friends I know are not Nazis. Do you really think someone will covert for 10 dollars? Do you have any idea what is missionary work?
let me tell you, your idea of the “Christian” in Bollywood movie is not the correct one. They all don’t wear the funny pants and act like Angrezis.
Well, to start with, missionary work is not just for Christians. Before rama and Krishna were gods, Budha and his groups of monks went around preaching. Asoka sent out missionaries to the entire known world. Even now, the decietful Iskon spreads Hinduism in a spiritualluy starved post modern Europe.
Read this blog, if you are living outside India you know how crictically they have analyzed Christianity?. Freedom of thought and expression is the driving force of forward minded communities. Looks like you want all those nice “freedom” in other countries for your own purpose, but don’t want anybody to criticize your religion. That is very convenient!!
Bharat, the Catholic church and the portugese has coverted people with sword and some effects were positive though the method was condemnable. They have apologized many times for this. How about Sankaracharya followers? have they apologized for the genocide of Budhists? Have they apologized for keeping particular people out in the fringe of society for millenia? O yea, they care about dalits only when Missionaries start to convert them, or when their groups (like Ambedkar) threaten to convert to Budhism.
and for the baby part; Proud tobebehind, I think you are showing more immaturity than me because you resort to threats, a desperate ploy!!
October 23rd, 2008 at 9:34 am
@Bharath
>>>>>>>There are theories that claim he was jus unconscious and he got conscience by the 3rd day, he wasnt dead n all.And this is put by Muslims who believe Jesus as a Prophet.<<<<<>>>>You christians will never be able to wipe off Hinduism jus like you did with Jews, Zorasters etc… <<<<<<<
Christians never ever tried to wipe jews,zorasters,hindus.that was Hitlar who killed jews,he was not religious,he was political,at the same time when hitlar was killing jews other chriastian countries were opposing hitlar and gave jews shelter. I dont know when christians tryed to wipe zorasters…and we also dont want to wipe out Hindus.
October 23rd, 2008 at 9:44 am
QURAN DOES NOT SAY HE WAS UNCONSCIOUS AND GOT CONSCIENCE BY 3 RD DAY.
QURAN SAYS,
JESUS SAID,
“PEACE ON ME WHEN I WAS BORN,AND WHEN I WILL DIE AND WHEN I WILL RESSURECT.”
{19:27-33}
“HE IS ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN”
{4:153-162}
FIRST READ QURAN AND THEN SAY!!!!
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HISTORICAL ACCOUNTS.
In Rome, in the year 93, the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus published his lengthy history of the Jews. While discussing the period in which the Jews of Judaea were governed by the Roman procurator Pontius Pilate, Josephus included the following account:
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.
- Jewish Antiquities, 18.3.3 §63
THERE ARE MANY REFERENCES IN TALMUD{JEWISH HOLY BOOK[it is not Bible]} TOO.
ROMAN HISTORIANS,
Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the Younger. Thallus, Lucian, Celsus
Tacitus: Publius (or Gaius) Cornelius Tacitus (ca. 56 – ca. 117) was a senator and a historian of the Roman Empire,says,
“Christus, from whom the name (Christians) had it’s origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea…”
Lucian:- a second century Romano-Syrian satirist, who wrote in Greek, wrote:
The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day — the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account… You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains the contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.
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October 23rd, 2008 at 9:57 am
Bharat the imbecile.
Zorastrians continued to pesecute Christians on and off just liek Hindus (who are really second Cousins of Zorastians) till they were mostly wiped off by Spread of Islam. Read about the history of Christianity.
Islam, consider Jesus so high that they say Isa nabi is only second to Prophet Muhammed. Actually Islam is the friendliest of religion to Christianity. It is known truth that Muhammed formed his type of monotheistic faith from Christians who were around his tribes at the time. He took the One God theory and kind of radicalized it. Some even say that it can be considered that Islam started as a heretical faction of Christianity. Heresy in the sense that this group was against the idea of a “son of God”. They did not like Judaism because it was very “restrictive”. It was sad, that Islam could not be tolerant of anything other than that came through their Book and prophet. Partially this is because they wanted to keep an Arabic Imperilaistc culture in all the places they went.
Clue to the fanatics: You grow only with openness. The only good time for “culture” in Islamic times were when they were more open and materialistc, like Baghdad Kaliphs, some Moguls, and some turkish emperors.
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:45 am
emmarcee>>>You are talking about Missionaries “giving money” and enticing “poor” people to convert is pure nazi propaganda.
Ha ha ha ha .Missioanaries are converting without money and this is nazi propaganda.hey baby dont talk junk things
here .I dont think there is any stuff left with you to debate.Thats y you are carcking such jokes.