THE FINAL RECONCILIATION
by Deepak Kamat ~ September 19th, 2008. Filed under: Uncategorized.
THE OUTCOME OF HINDU-CHRISTIAN NEGOTIATION IN MANGALORE
Christian leaders and Hindu leaders held a meeting to thrash out the differences at The Circuit House in Mangalore.
The Hindu delegation consisted of Prof M B Puranik, Vibhag Sanghachallak and VHP district President, Dr. Prabhakar Bhat, Prant Karyavaya, Dr. Madhav Bhandary, Vibhaga Karyakarini Sadasya, Monappa Bhandary, district BJP President, Shrikar Prabhu, Jagadish Shenava, Rajagopala Rai. The Christian delegation was led by Fr. J B Crasta, Louis Pinto,Felix Alberque, M P Noronha, William D’Souza, Stany Alvares.
The negotiation was held under the supervision of district in-charge Minister Shri Krishna Palemar. The persons who mediated towards bringing both sides together were Dharmaraj, Mangalore-based-builder and S Ramesh, Social worker.
The Hindu delegation put forth its view stating that
- Hindu society was never aggressive and in fact encouraged and promoted plurality in society.
- Christianity grew because of Hindu patronage
- Christians were denigrating Hindu faith through distribution of pamphlets denigrating Hindu God. (Satya Darshini pamphlet distributed by New Life says that Hindu gods were promiscuous and wallowing in darkness of hell).
- Christians were objecting to Hindu articles of faith like Rakhi, bindi, flowers et al
- Christians used the children of Hindu parents when the institutions were protesting against Kandmal violence
- The Christians in Mangalore had even protested when Jayalalitha Government had banned conversion in Tamil Nadu
- They had even pelted stones and had injured policemen who were trying to protect law and order.
- Though the Christian delegation was distancing itself from New Life, they were in fact supporting it by protesting in a big way as if to condone the New Life activities.
- The Schools run by Christians were psychologically dominating Hindu school children as if to give a bad impression about the Hindu faith.
- Harmony can be established only when the Christians observe their religion in private without encroaching on the domain of Hindu faith.
- Conversions were affecting the family life as several families had broken up due to conversion activities.
- Conversions due to inducement and allurements are not in the interest of the society. There is nothing wrong in voluntary conversions.
- The Resurgent Hindu society would not tolerate such proselytisation activities which aim at division rather than integration.
- The Service activities of the Church were more directed towards the ulterior motives of proselytisation.
- The Hindus won’t harm the Christian faith in any way if they do it without forcing it on others. And there would not be any cause for conflict.
- There is no question of social boycott against Christians. In fact, the Hindus are for cordial relations with Christians.
- In case of any further problems, the problems would be solved through bilateral talks involving leaders of both sides.
- The Hindu leaders made it clear that they did not support the attack on the building that housed the Cloistered Nuns. They said that it was inadvertent and it would not be repeated.
The Church leaders put forth its view in the following manner
- Christians are feeling insecure due to the recent spate of violence in New Life prayer halls
- Is it wrong on our part to serve the society?
- We don’t have anything to do with New Life activities except that both of us respect Jesus and Bible.
- Hindu leaders may stop the Hindus from attending New Life congregational meetings.
- Educate the Hindus in such a manner that they refrain from New Life activities.
- In the case of Kandmal incidents, the Hindus had provoked the Christians through banners depicting the Christians in poor light
- Any case of provocation from any side is improper.
- It should not happen. Steps should be taken to improve relations.
- Christians will not resort to conversions in South Kanara and Udupi district.
- The Christian institutions will not prevent the school children from wearing Rakhi, Bindi, flowers et al that depict the Hindu faith.
- The Christian educational institutions will not take the Hindu children to Church
- Since the Catholic Christians do not have any connection with New Life missionaries, it would not object to any action against New Life in connection with proselytisation activities.
- Since Bible and Cross are very holy in Christianity, the Hindus should not damage it any way.
- The Christians would rein in their youths from violent activities henceforth.
- The Christians are distressed with the attack on the cloistered Nuns inside the premises.
September 20th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Thanks Deepak for the information, i hope atleast now the christians will understand the need for harmony
September 21st, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Hi Deepak…
Thanks for displaying the article in question by the New Life Church, If you translate this into English, I will get it re translated into Hindi and distribute same as pamphlets to fellow Hindus in Bombay.
The New Life Church have crossed all limits of decency by putting in writing all their BS thoughts. I dont see any other way the Hindus to have protested.
Shame on the New Life Church and the Christian community in General for not punishing the dirtbags within them.
VANDE MATARAM!
JAI HINDU RASHTRA!
September 21st, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Its the duty of the govt to see if any foreign funds are used in the country to create distrubance in society .Country peace lies in harmony in people. When the foreign funds are use to convert they should be watched and locals should take active part and they should be a watch committee of local body to watch how these funds are utilised. When local ignore, peace will be lost .Duty of each citizen to watch these activities of foreign and act to stop if it anty national.Problems are our govt official who don’t take interest in the comuunity.
September 22nd, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Hi All, A Law has to be Enacted which would Make Hate Speech against Sanatana Dharma A Cogneisable Offence.
The xtians think, it’s their right under constitution to Abuse Sanatana Dharma.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Jesus and Krishna teaches Love, they never fought … then? Conversion due to inducement and allurements should be stopped immediately and condemn with one voice.
As Catholic I strongly condemn for the heinous act(by publishing pamphlets denigrating Hindu God)of New Life Church and apologies and regret at the incidents.The Christian Fraternity should keep themselves away from such “Black Sheep”
It is very dejecting to observe that Hindu Leaders behaving irresponsibly and attacking church instead of showing their maturity and wisdom.
I very strongly condemn the attacks on church and the innocent people and the culprits should be punished.
It is my humble request not attack any religious place as it will effect you personally and your family adversely as the mass psychic force will work against the culprit.
May God bring Love and Peace among us.
Positively
Alex Gomes
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:25 pm
A Thought Towards A Better World
The Fundamental Rights enshrined in the Constitution of India, Section 25 guarantees ,“Freedom of conscience and free profession, practice and propagation of religion.” Subsection (1) states that Subject to public order, morality and health and to the other provisions of this Part, ‘all persons are equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right freely to profess, practice and propagate religion.’ Christian community over the years professed, practiced and propagated religion through out India. The canon law, ( Rule Book of Catholic Church), clearly stated that faith must be free choice of Individual but every Christian is commanded to preach the message of love and service of Lord Jesus. The message of Jesus is to be preached because it has helped to improve my life, so help all to improve their lives too. This is the basic principle of propagation of the message by Lord Jesus. This very well guaranteed by the constitution of India.
Rashtrya Swaymsevak Sang and its umbrella organizations attacked Christians by accusing them of forced conversion. In Madhya Pradesh sighting forced conversion Government of Madhya Pradesh in 2006 amended the Freedom of Religion Act 1968. Referring to this the Governor of Madhya Pradesh asked the government to give details regarding the conversions taken place in Madhya Pradesh from 2001 to 2007. The report revealed that there was no illegal conversion taken place. So may be basing on this and violation of Constitutional provisions the Bill was send to President of India. It is still going on. The fundamental organizations had no issues to keep their followers to together so they directed them to attack Christians. Christian community is a peace loving community which does not resort to violence.
In most fundamentals unlashed violence on Christians with the help of people in the Governments. They have their hard core supporters in the Governments and in all organizations in the society. These organizations have infiltrated into all sections of the society including all political organizations. So it looks like state sponsored violence against one of the most peace loving community. In Madhya Pradesh even the fundamental organizations attacked the houses of Christians where prayers were organized other than Churches. They purposely created a Law and Order problem to misuse the provision in the constitution to maintain “public order”. All the attacks they accused the Christians of trying to convert but later it was understood that it was an accusation to change the minded the people to justify the attacks. Persons arrested in relation to attacks on innocent Christians were charged with minor offences. They were released from the police station itself, this was same even when women were beaten in different places.
I also take strong exception to Catholic Bishops , Priests , Nuns and Lay Leaders who bluntly says that we are against conversion. It is their personal opinion not of the Christians because we object all illegal conversions. If anyone is inspired by the message of Christ , let him / her become follower of Christ. It is very well with the normal practice of freedom of choice of religion. At the same time any attempt to convert any one through any false means must be strongly objected and punished by law. All Christians must support this because Lord Jesus told his disciples, “if any town or village does not welcome leave that place and do not remain there.” Lord Jesus was very clear of propagation of faith and Lord also did not tell his disciples to support a wrong cause. Therefore Christians must oppose any illegal practice of conversion and abuse of any religion.
I want also to place the point very clear here that Christians must not use the term re-conversion when Christians are converted to any other religion including Hinduism. It must be understood that any one is converted to any religion is conversion not re-conversion. No one is born into a religion rather initiated into a religion. So it must be treated equal that converting a Christian into any religion by other method than freedom of choice is wrong as Christians converting non-Christian into Christianity.
The issue of attacks on Christians is more political than religious. The Christian communities for many years have been trying to uplift the people of the lower strata of the society. It never looked caste, creed and religion, so the works of development that Christian community initiated have given a new hope to the villagers. It erodes the base of the fundamental organizations. It is one of the most important factors that the fundamental organizations are worried. It has intensified the attacks on Christians. The attacks on Christians are rooted in its belief that fear among the Hindus needs to be kept up to garner support of their works. The growing unrest against minorities, Dalits and tribals are also part of this conspiracy. It is also to make the people of India believe that all attacks are Hindu-Christian clash over the illegal conversions carried out in the Country. The fundamental organizations feel that basing on this they force the central government to enact a law to ban all conversions whether legal or illegal. The fundamental organizations are converting the tribals into Hinduism, many are getting converted into Buddhism and many religions other than marriage purpose. Therefore conversion issue has to be looked from the point of freedom of choice of religion rather than a political issue to mobilize support vested interests.
Fr. Anand Muttungal
September 22nd, 2008 at 11:07 pm
@ Above,
A typical Padre reply to defend conversions by abusing RSS.
September 22nd, 2008 at 11:16 pm
I do not understand the politics in this regard but we innocents know one thing that WE all are “Sudamas” of Krishna and “Lost Sheep” of Jesus and most lovable and valuable Children of God.
God Bless and Help us and redeem us from this Torture.
Positively
Alex Gomes
September 22nd, 2008 at 11:32 pm
@ Alex,
We certainly don’t have any problems if anybody follows his own faith privately.
As the Hindu texts unequivocally declares:
Ekam Sat Vipra Bahuda Vadami
(Truth is one but wise call it by several names)
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:34 am
if the negotiated conditions are followed strictly as per aggrement then there will be no problems at all in future
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:21 am
the comments of Fr. Anand Muttungal are the misinterpretatioon of the constitution of india. constitution guarantees “freedom of conscience, right freely to profess, practice and propagate religion” the right dosnt contain any right to convert others to one’s own religion. supreme court has also stressed the same in many of its rulings. please also note that these rights are subject to “Subject to public order, morality and health” and these terms come before the statement o freedom of religion, which implies that public order, morality and health are above the religious freedom of any individual.
what christian orgnsations r doing is never acceptable under the constitution and other existing laws of india. In their schools, hindu children are forced to pray jesus, and being forced not to wear bindi or bangles, thus insulting not only hindus, but the heritage of this great nation, which is totally against the constitution, since every citizen has a fundamental duty to respect the heritage of this country, under Article 51A. Mr. Fr. Anand Muttungal, don’t try to misinterpret the constitution according to ur wishes.
(I am an Advocate)
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:39 am
What you mean by Blasphemy in most of the Christian countries?
Blasphemy is the disrespectful use of the name of one or more gods. They have their own rules punish such people who commit blasphemy.
What you mean Kafir in Islamic World? How do they treat Kafirs and what Kuran says about this?
The word momin means believer in Mohammed and Allah. In contrast a kafir is a non-believer. The momins did not have to be better men than the Kafirs in terms of character or consciousness. Momins had only to recite the Kalima (incantation)- “there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his Prophet.” By doing that the ‘momins’ become qualified to kill as many kafirs as they could or pleased, looting and burning their belongings and enslaving their women and children in the process.
Now, why do we let others to take disrespectfully the names of Hindu Gods?
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:26 am
There is truth in what Fr Anand Muttungal and others say. We need to understand that christianity is basically a missionary religion. The church has used various mathods to convert people, down through the centuries.
Hinduism is an all inclusive faith and so it has no objections if a person’s isht devta changes as long as that person remains with in the Hindu fold respecting its culture and customs.
For christians it will do well if they leave faith as the matter of individual spiritual quest. If you think your god is changing people then leave it to him rather than resorting to writing abusively against other’s faith. It will hurt and cause division and retaliation.
My appeal to those who want to resort to violence is that it will not acheive any purpose. All Hindus are not with you. Hindus are generally tolerant and not violent as some portray them (including hindu organizations).
If some group finds out someone converting through fradulant means take them to court. Even this abusive book or pamphlet’s author should be taken to court for making derogatory statements against Hindu faith. Attacking people and places of religious worship will not solve our purpose.
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:19 am
Gandhi on Proselytism
Interview to a Missionary Nurse May 11 1935 (Page 48 & 49)
Would you prevent missionaries coming to India in order to baptize?
Who am I to prevent them? If I had power and could legislate, I should certainly stop all proselytizing. It is the cause of much avoidable conflict between classes and unnecessary heart-burning among missionaries. But I should welcome people of any nationality if they came to serve here for the sake of service. In Hindu households the advent of a missionary has meant the disruption of the family coming in the wake of change of dress, manners, language, food and drink.
Is it not the old conception you are referring to? No such thing is now associated with proselytization ?
The outward condition has perhaps changed but the inward mostly remains. Vilification of Hindu religion, though subdued, is there. If there was a radical change in the missionaries’ outlook, would Murdoch’s books be allowed to be sold in mission depots? Are those books prohibited by missionary societies? There is nothing but vilification of Hinduism in those books. You talk of the conceptionbeing no longer there. Only the other day a missionary descended on a famine area withmoney in his pocket, distributed it among the famine-stricken, converted them to his fold, took charge of their temple and demolished it. This is outrageous. The temple could not belong to the converted Hindus, and it could not belong to the Christian missionary. But this friend goes and gets it demolished at the hands of the very men who only a little while ago believed that God was there.
But, Mr. Gandhi, why do you object to proselytization as such? Is not there enough in the Bible to authorize us to invite people to a better way of life?
Oh yes, but it does not mean that they should be made members of the Church. If you interpret your texts in the way you seem to do,you straight away condemn a large part of humanity unless it believes as you do. If Jesus came to earth again, he would disown many things that are being done in the name of Christianity. It is not he who says “Lord, Lord” that is a Christian, but “He that doeth the will of the Lord” that is a true Christian. And cannot he who has not heard the name of Jesus Christ do the will of the Lord?
Link (page 48 & 49)
http://www.gandhiserve.org/cwmg/VOL067.PDF
Seventy years on we still don’t have a effective anti-conversion law.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:13 pm
deepak, according to you, does a non hindu have a right to preach his religion without hurting hindu sentiment in the least bit. without saying anything bad about hinduism, has he got a right to hold a public meeting at a public place, where he could talk about the positive sides of his rekigion. as far as i know civilised countries allowe preaching and practicing of any religion.
it was nice to see that hindus and christians have taken a step in the right direction in resolving the dispute. may peace prevail. i wish all disputes between different communities could be settled through talks and avoiding violence
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:13 pm
@Fr. Anand Muttungal
You wrote, “…The Christian communities for many years have been trying to uplift the people of the lower strata of the society.”
Who are these people of lower strata? Indic/Bharatiya dharma followers- Hindus, Budhists, Jains and Sikhs. Is not it? Why are you so kind to them? What about lower strata of muslims? Do you serve them and go for soul harvesting business?
Oh, you kind compassionate missionary rascals forgot them. Is that, your Jesus don’t like muslim souls? You rascals know, muslims will simply behead you. Few months back, two South Korean missioanries were beheaed by the Afghan muslims, remaining around 30 were taken back by the Korean govt by giving lots of money and promising they will never land on Afghan soil for soul harvesting.
Hindus don’t need your so-called service, as it comes with conditions to convert. Go and serve your poor christians in South America, Africa, Phillipines and other places. These regions are one of the poorest regions of the world, with 40-60% people live below poverty line.
You christians never serve in the name of humanity, but soul harvesting business. During Tsunami, a 80 plus years old Hindu man in Srilanka was told by missioanries, they will offer him food if he convert to christianity (it was in Sri Lnkan news). That shows how much you care for humanity, but number counting business.
Stop missionary terror on Hindus in Bharat/India. Hindus will not allow their culture, heritage and civilization to be destroyed by you fanatic western agents, as your masters did in north and south America, Africa, Philippines, South Korea and so many other places.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:25 pm
What Gandhiji said on Conversion.
Mahatma Gandhi on Conversion
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/mahatma_gandhi_on_conversion.htm
Also read
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_terrorism_in_northeast_india.htm
Christian Conversions and Terrorism in North-East India
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?id=1141970933&type=articles
http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/08/30/gandhi-on-proselytism/
September 25th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Mr Bharat,
Mind your language when reply to a forum. Maintain your human dignity and respect others.
September 26th, 2008 at 6:02 am
Well, Bharat did quite a nice job in showing the deluded missionaries their place.
September 26th, 2008 at 6:21 am
I completely stand with bharat and Mr.joshy, that people understand such type of language only.
We are not ready to accept any type of attack on our cluture and religions
we hindus are facing another problem which wedoesn’t come to our notice, our girls are trapped in the guise of love by the christian and muslim youth and convert them for marriage, this is done very silently.
If one girl is converted the gerations coming from her are all converted as whole.
Vivekananda said ” If one Hindu is converted, it is not that a hindu is decreased in count but and enemy is increased”
be vigilant and stop this silent propaganda.
krunavantho vishwa aaryam
September 26th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Excellent,
Bharat is right in all his points.
But I will object your language, bocs people will divert the concentration to your harsh words than catching the incredible points you raised.
Once again i am saying i fully support the points raised be Bharat.
Jai Hind(Hind ka sadhaa Jai ho)
September 26th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
please try to understand the ANTI-HINDU attitude of congress(history is proof).
mulayam,lallu still supporting the muslims even after serial-bombing in cities.
all this is bcos of votes :-
out of 100% pupulation
50% participate in voting
(which includes half hindus and other half are minorities)
this is where we all are getting affected.
the 50% of the population who is not voting are all hindus, whome we need to encourage to participate in voting for a better BHARAT
please note politicians are intrested in muslim and christian bcos they all participate in voting which makes 50% of the votes they need to win elections.
Think if we can make all hindus also participate in voting they will be forced to support Hindutva.
Think about it.
Bharat Mata ki Jai
Hind ki Jai
September 27th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Kamat, I understand Harmony. But after point 3 it becomes confusing. Why in the hell do you think Christians must be wearing Rakhi? How about a Bindi. YOu know whateverybody has a right to live as they like as long as they are not hurting anybody. Don’t try to push your agenda into anything. Yes, I apologize about the denigration of gods. That was unwarranted.
September 29th, 2008 at 12:35 am
@ Emarcee,
You read me wrong.
Wearing bindi amnd flowers by Hindu girls is prohibited in Christian Convents.
Hindu parents did not like it as bindi is wearing a mark of Hindu faith.
I or for that matter any Hindu did not insist that Christians wear bindis. Read me right.
September 29th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
MY APOLOGIES - THOUGH THAT WAS NOT CLEAR FROM THE ONE LINE.
October 6th, 2008 at 10:30 am
Deepak Kamat >>Wearing bindi amnd flowers by Hindu girls is prohibited in Christian Convents.Hindu parents did not like it as bindi is wearing a mark of Hindu faith.>>
In India there is a ban on cow-meat..In France there is a ban on head-scarf in school for uniformity in dress. If sporting(not WEARING,please correct your English Mr.Kamat) Bindi is an insult to Hindu faith, then you should convince me the point that hinduism is all about a life style instead of God!!. What would be your response to a true hindu college going girl who do not sport a bindi? Also, you should attempt to answer, why you ,do not want a widow to sport a Bindi, if you still feel Bindi is a mark of Hindu reflection. What if you feel, if a student enters St.Stephens/IIM.A/St.Xaviers /XLRI with bare chested, holy thread across his torso with dothi around waist and bare footed, just because he is a Brahim. Will you allow him even in your workplace, be it a traditional hindu owned factory or company? (And that the culture the moral police RSS wants to bring back right!!)
Having said that, please remember, Christianity has accepted and acomodated all the cultures all across the world.. An American would go to the Church with skin tight dress, and Indian in saree, and an African in their own colourful attire, cos they know, God is bound by Culture or Country or Geography…But, its not the case with Hinduism, which you know yourself..
A man without Holy Thread, is still not permitted in the sanctorum in a temple. A dalit still cant enter Puri Jeganath temple..Where is the plurality which you are talking about?
I would suggest, KAMAT, please do your home-work and first attempt to learn about Hinduism
October 6th, 2008 at 10:36 am
>>God is bound by Culture or Country or Geography…
Apologize. a small correction
God is *not* bound………
I mean God The All Powerful Creator with abosulte holiness, justice and righteousness is not confined to any Nationalistic Identity(Which RSS wants to claim hindu gods as Indian) or culture..
October 6th, 2008 at 10:43 am
emmarcee>> Yes, I apologize about the denigration of gods>>
That hand-out tract is indeed an interesting one… There is nothing about denigration.. We all should be open to debate, which RSS/Bajrandal are not intersted in it..
There was a time when Davincicode, a top selling novel, claimed Mary Magdalene as the wife of Christ. But Historians/Theologians did their home work and responded well, in such a way, the move became a flop show.. Why not Bajrangi’s attempt to answer it…
I have even asked this Deepak Kamat a simple philosophical question..
Can the god’s do un-holy acts like Rape & Murder And still he has not responded, other then blaming it on Christians.. Lets debate.. Lets evaluate.. God is one.. If hinduism has the true path to reach God, lets attempt it by will full evaluation and logical thinking..
October 6th, 2008 at 10:54 am
SRI>>>the 50% of the population who is not voting are all hindus, whome we need to encourage to participate in voting for a better BHARAT>>
But its over/on the same 70% of the Hindu dalit/backward class whoom you even denied the educational rights (finally educated by missionaries to a good extent) esp. in the name of HINDU VARNASHRAM and forced them to be a scavengers(Btw, its the highest paid job in U.S).. And now (off late) you want them to vote for you in the same Hindu name ?
Do you still want to enforce your casteist Brahminic hegemony? So that you will have 70% of your population to serve you as foot soldiers? Like how Bajrangal is using the uneducated youths as its foot-soldiers instead of educating them? How many schools and hospitals the Bajrangi’s have to serve the Hindus alone (keep aside the Christians)
What made you to come down (Off late)?? And finally I will ask you a simple question.. Why the author of this website wants to have his Brahminic oppressive identity as KAMAT?
October 6th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Let make a deal.
1. I encountered many christian missionary businessmen and businesswomen at different times, at different places. They gave me tons of literatures, bible copies (I still hold some copies) and I took them at home. I spent few minutes on them to understand these business men/womens psychology, their business tactics and their designs.
2. All they want conversion and baptism. But when I say them, I bow my head before all different sort of places of worships and I respect them all, so how can you convert me? I already respect/belive in christianity, how can you convert me? They say, I have to belive only True God, which is Jesus and dump all False Gods. Its interesting. True God and False Gods. Good title for a book, I may try in future. So, what are the false Gods? All Gods, outside their business lists are false Gods. And God within business list is the true God.
3. I always wondered, why they are so eager and so quick to convert someone. Surely, there is something real profitable things. It is not about 72 virgin girls waiting in heaven as Jihadis belive. Then what? Soon, I get to know, missionaries (depends on their skin colors and race, white westerners or brown asians) get big monetary rewards for each soul harvest. And the reward increases as the number of harvest increases. Then, I decided let do business with them. Now, whenever missionaries approach me, I ask them, let make a deal. You doing business, let we both do business and profit. How much do you pay? And note, no conditions. I shall convert and reconvert hundred times per day, as long as benefits keeps coming. So, soul harvestors found hard to deal with me. My demands always exceed their reward amounts.
October 6th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Bharat>> They say, I have to belive only True God, which is Jesus and dump all False Gods. Its interesting. True God and False Gods. Good title for a book, I may try in future. So, what are the false Gods?>>>
Bharath, we are all in pursuit of God, whoom we the humans are exploring. And in this pursuit, we may end up in False Gods…
Over all, keeping aside the religion, we all know, God is all Powerful, with absolute Holiness, Justice and Righteousness.. And in this broad line, we try to locate the true path which leads us to the True God..
Say for eg, if some one tells, their god has asked to keep bombs in train, then on any moral ground you would discount him, cos, God would not ask anyone to do such acts. Similarly, Gods who are believed to be of Absolute holiness would not resort to Unholy acts such as Rape/murder/cutting nose/killing.
God is holy.. Lets not believe un=holy gods.. If so, you and I can claim to be a god..
I would wait for your response on this. Thanks in advance.
October 9th, 2008 at 2:26 am
Dear thinkers,
Its great to pen few lines on this web page created by Mr.Kamat, but at the same time it is very unfortunate when we write without proper thinking. I appreciate Sapr333 who has provoked our thinking and now is the time to evaluate our own stand, analyze all the Scriptures and search for THE TRUTH.
October 9th, 2008 at 3:16 am
Now Mr. Sapr333 is trying his old trick at dividing the Hindu society in terms of caste.
The entire Hindu soceity was impoverished during Islamic/Colonial/Christian/left misrule for the past 1,000 years.
Caste is nothing but a fossilisation of varna. I am proud to be a Gaud Saraswat Brahmin. It is we who preserved the ancient scriptures of the land like Vedas and Upanishad despite million mutinities. Even Swami Vivekananda and Gandhi acknowledged it.
October 9th, 2008 at 3:17 am
Anti-Brahminism is a Christian-colonial-left invention.
Brahmins were revered for their knowledge. In fact, Brahminism is by deeds and not by birth. So acknowledged Yudhistira in his Yaksha Prashna.
October 9th, 2008 at 4:10 am
Mr. Deepak Kammat. I salute you. I really admire the way you are trying to defend your views about Brahminism and Sanatana Dharma and your zealousness about Vedas, Puranas, Upanishads. You claim to be a proud Gaud Saraswat Brahmin. Wow! Wonderful!. You must be really enjoying peace within yourself regarding your personal relationship with your god(oops! soory! 33 thousand gods and still evolving).
I think you are a great mind, a wonderful thinker but what is the use if you are not able to share this wonderful relationship with others? I feel you are a selfish Sanatana Dharmi who thinks this religions is only for Indians. Mr. Kamat, if you are assured that this belief of yours is “The Right Way” to Nirvana/ Moksha (and can release you from the 14 cycles of re-birth) at the end of this life then you should not be wasting time fighting with words here. You should be shouting aloud your faith to others so that others may also get the same assurance of peace and release from re-birth. Don’t waste time accusing other religions. Can you accomodate christians and muslims into your Sanatana Dharma? It there any where mentioned in your scriptures that all may receive salvation and ultimate Mokhsa? If so please tell me.
Before that, do find out for yourself about your personal beliefs about your personal relationship with your god and dare to share it with everyone. If you share your personal beliefs about your god, no one will feel threatned that you are trying to convert any one. Rather if any one finds your beliefs logical, authentic, credible and life-transforming then I guarantee that you and your hoodlooms don’t have to kill, destroy, murder, rape in order to put across your ideas. Stop calling names to Mr. Thapper or any Intelligent Thinkers. Instead obey your religion and gods. You can still choose to follow the right path rather than throwing muck at other faiths.
October 10th, 2008 at 10:00 am
I’m David James, a Christian. I continue to be one. But I’have always admired Hinduism and continue to do so. I have not embraced Hinduism in the bodily sense, but conceptually I am Hindu and I am proud to say so. Reasons :
A. I have not formally got converted to Hinduism due to :
1. The hateful mentality that my Christian friends have towards non-Christians.
2. I have been encouraged by all my Hindu friends to continue to worship Jesus Christ and remain a Christian which is my religion by birth.
B. I admire Hinduism because :
1. Hinduism sees all religions with Love, Trust, Peace, and Brotherhood.
2. I strongly believe KRISHNA is none other than CHRIST ; KRISHNA Himself says so and all Hindu Scriptures / Philosophers also say that KRISHNA is SUPREME. And JESUS CHRIST prays again and again to His Father in the Heavens i.e., CHRIST.
So, it is very evident that KRISHNA = CHRIST
Hence I am comfortable with my situation being Christian by Body and Hindu-cum-Christian (which are both one and the same) by Soul.
October 11th, 2008 at 2:40 am
@ Nandi,
I am not trying to defend anything. I am just putting forth my views.
Hinduism is not an aggressive proselytising faith. It is free for all. Anybody is free to follow anything so long as he does not trouble others. As simple as that.
October 11th, 2008 at 3:24 am
DeepakKamat>>>Hinduism is not an aggressive proselytising faith.>>
Deepak, till independence, its the Brahmin’s who never wanted to teach hinduism/Veda’s to other Backward/Dalits (forget other religions)..Im sure you must have read manusmriti..
But not, in this modern day of communication, its finding difficult to cope up with the millenia old concept for fear of losing identity.So it expects others to behave like they way they were 2000 years ago.
On this day, if you guys feel, that you have something great to offer from Hinduism, go and preach or proselitize others about the greatness of hinduism, which Im sure you dont have the capacity to do..Cos very little Brahminic community only knows something about Hinduism, and they are busy in their own good jobs,than proclaiming hinduism. Now, all they can do is incite the foot solidiers of Dalit/Backward hindus to fight against Christians.
All over the thread, I was so curious to get clarified a lot of points about hinduism..But none of them took steps to answer it, instead they only spew venom on hinduism..Guys!! teaching is not your cup of tea, and you have no capacity to teach about hinduism to others.. Its indeed your weakness. Thanks to Brahminism,which confined hindu gods and veda’s in their own attic.
October 11th, 2008 at 3:26 am
>>> I strongly believe KRISHNA is none other than CHRIST>>>
According to Bible, Christ lived a sinless life and according to Bagwat Gita, Krisha sinned many a times, esp stealing clothes of women..
Im sure you all would agree, God must be of absolute holiness..
October 11th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
@sapr333:
You simply don’t deserve any response from others.
Your words and expressions reflects your ignorance, not only about Sanatan Hindu dharma, but your own faith (whatever it is). Does your faith and your holy book teaches only to speak ill of others?
You are only wasting your time and consuming with stress and anger. Don’t try to put fire in others house, that fire will burn your own house. Cultivate positive mind and culture, that way you live peaceful and happy life.
Take it or leave it. No further response.
October 11th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Bharat>>>Does your faith and your holy book teaches only to speak ill of others? >>>
Where did I speak ill of others.. We are debating on a subject, and dont get tensed up if you find shortage of words and convincing responses.
October 13th, 2008 at 4:33 am
The write up below is a circular sent by a Christian friend. Do the Hindu friends have an answer to it?
(STAND UP AND BE COUNTED
Beginning with Mr. Advani, let every Hindu who has been through the Christian schools systems stand up and speak for what is the truth. When they came to our schools for admission were they lured by inducements? Were they offered money or land or food or did they come because they knew they would get the total dedication of the priests or nuns or the teachers so carefully chosen by the schools.
How many Hindu parents have stood in front of our schools for days, from early in the morning to be able to get an admission form? Were they forced?
Were they forced to go to Catechism class/sunday schools or did they have a separate Moral Science class? How many of them became Christian or know of someone who was coercered into becoming a Christian?
St Josephs School celebrates 150 years and students have come from all over for the celebrations. Let every one of them stand up and be counted. Speak up now for what they know is the truth.
Who are the majority of people who go to our hospitals, to our esteemed institutions the St Xaviers, Loyolas, Stewarts and the dozens of Christian institutions in every city and town. Are they Christian?
Who are the people who want to do away with the minority quota in our own institutions?
And who are the people who go to work among the poorest of the poor? What did Mother Teresa offer to the dying destitutes she picked up from the streets? What of the hundreds of nuns and priests who work unsung in places where most of us fear to tread. They preach their faith in their lives. That they feed and care for these poorest of the poor is their vocation. We know the Christian definition of ‘neighbour’ from the parable of the Good Samaritan. Perhaps we should sing it louder for all to hear.
Most people in this country know us Christians for what we are. That is why when I’ve returned the extra money wrongly returned to me by a trader he asks ‘Are You a Christian?’ These is a small but potent fringe group who wish to reap a harvest of votes. I say appeal to the majority thru the newspapers and media.
Stand up and speak up for us now I say to the majority community.
We should all gather in out respective parishes on a given day and time and pray together to show our solidarity with our beleagured brethren. I don’t think we should make any kind of march or in anyway upset the fragile rhythm of this overcrowded city. Do it quietly in our own premises making certain all parishoners are present in every Christian Church.)
So, Let’s stop fighting in the name of religion. God is not so small to be proved through arguments. Rather let every individual strive to search for the TRUTH, and knowing the TRUTH will ultimately grant ‘moksha’ the very purpose of God-man relationship. There is no problem if any indvidual anywhere in the world accept the faith which relates him/her to God. They are cowards who shout, kill, fight, rape, burn in order to make their existence secured. How long the ‘narrow mindset’ will persist in India? Friends lets dare to say black as black and white as white.
October 13th, 2008 at 5:46 am
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Oh brother David James.. I pity you.
U call your self a christian? I doubt. Not because you say that Krishna and Christ are the same but because of your name “David James”. Got it?
Well, if Krishna and Christ both seem to be same to you, then congratulations!!!. Your enlightenment needs a check up!You are trying to accomodate Christ with Krishna? Sorry!! But first of all be it Krishna or Christ, why would they want to confuse India (us ) with dual names and dual personalities? Were they afriad to reveal themselves in only One Name?
Secondly, I find it very difficult rather impossible to accept that they both are the same. As far as I know both of their Teachings differ completely. In Bhagvad Gita, Krishna says,
“”Yada Yada Hi Dharmasya
Glanirva Bhavathi Bharatha,
Abhyuthanam Adharmaysya
Tadatmanam Srijami Aham’.
Bhagavad Gita (Chapter IV-7)
“Whenever there is decay
of righteousness O! Bharatha
And a rise of unrighteousness
then I manifest Myself!”
When Arjuna says, ‘”O Keshava, if you say that Jnana is superior to Karma, then why do you insist upon me to getting involved in this ghastly and terrible war?” Will it not be better if I take to sannyasa and lead the life as a monk? The great blood shed and killings of near and dear ones would thus be avoided.”
Then Krishna encourages Arjuna to go ahead with the Battle, no matter who the enemies are, because that is his Krama.
In the Bible, Jesus says, “I am the Way, the Truth and Life.” John 14:6. And He also says, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Matthew 5:44. Jesus laid his life for you.You don’t believe that since you have no personal expereince of that Truth .
Anyways, lets look at the cross. When Jesus was hanging on the cross, he said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing.”
Thirdly,the term “Christ” in Hebrew means “The Annointed One” and in Greek means “Messaih”- the Saviour.
Now you tell me, one came to destroy sinners and the other came to save sinners. How can both be same?
Do not get confused or overlook facts just because it soothes your emotions. Do not opt for “feel good” solutions my brother.
They are not the same and can never be.
Don’t you see? If they were the same, we would’nt be burning with hatred, violence and hostility within our own land.
Tell me, after you die, will you go to heaven (being saved by the bood of Jesus) or retrun again for pursuing your 14 cycles of re-birth to attain Moksha?
Be comfortable as you said, but think on these lines. you are confused but don’t misguide others.
October 13th, 2008 at 6:01 am
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Mr. Deepak,
No, it is not so simple as you say. Yes I agree that Hinduism is a faith but then what about aggressiveness?
It is free for all? No I don’t think so. What about those who have no access inside the Jaganath Temple in puri?
“Anybody is free to follow anything” . Really? Then why the ruthless, hostile bloodshed in the Name of God?
chirsitian missionaries are accused of conversion with allurement of rice, money, education. What about the forceful re-conversions taking place at gun point?
There is law for conversions, what about law for terrorizing re-conversion?
October 13th, 2008 at 7:25 am
acharyananda,
Whatever your friend has written 100% true.
Though they are mere 2%, christians are never a liability to india because they have contributed to india in various fields which we ourselves have failed miserably. be it education, social service, caring for sick, poor, or hospitals etc.
We are not pseudo-secularists bur real hindus and are very shame ful of these “NAPUNSAKAS”, who have created hinduism and hindus a bad name.
These sangh-parivar outfits have denigrated hinduism to the level of barbarism, rowdysm and cowardice.
October 14th, 2008 at 11:33 am
>>>>Nandi
October 13th, 2008 at 5:46 am >>>
Nandi, hats off to you.. Thats indeed an intellectual response..
October 16th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Kandhamal students’ body demands to stop conversion in the district
October 13, 2008
OdishaToday
Berhampur (Orissa) : The Kandhamal Chatra Sangharsa Samiti on Sunday demanded to stop religious conversion allegedly being done by various NGOs in the district.
The students have stated that Swami Laxmanananda had served in the Kandhamal district for nearly 45 years and had brought several changes, particularly in the field of education and in social change.
On the other hand, the missionaries were instigating the minority community people to convert the innocent tribal people and were torturing them they alleged.
They further alleged that these missionaries were taking away the lands of the tribal people and were building the churches in those occupied lands.
The students’ body further alleged that some NGOs including the World Vision and Janavikash were doing religious conversion in the name of social service and for which they receive crores of rupees from the foreign countries.
more here.
http://www.odishatoday.com/orissa/Students_body_demands_to_stop_conversion_121008-85421523265987.html
October 16th, 2008 at 11:40 am
‘Calling Bajrang Dal’s action as terrorism is utter nonsense’
The Rediff Interview/D N Murthy, VHP general secretary
You call the incidents in Karnataka as violence. A few glass panes were broken and you call that terrorism. In Karnataka not a single person was injured. What are these people talking about? It is ridiculous. Glass panes of cinema theatres are broken due to certain disputes. Can you call this terrorism? Did the Union government react in this manner? The people are just protesting against those indulging in forcible conversion. That is all.
read more.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/oct/16inter.htm
October 16th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Bharat>>>A few glass panes were broken and you call that terrorism..In Karnataka not a single person was injured. What are these people talking about?>>>
We are not talking about war and counting casualities…According to teaching of Christ, ” He who looked at her with lust, had already sinned against her”".
Its not the intensity of damage on monetary terms..But you terrorised a selfless servicing community, who commands great respect in India for their selfless service in Education/Healthcare..
>>>The people are just protesting against those indulging in forcible conversion>>
Why they are taking law in to their own hands? Do you call raping nuns/torching alive/looting as protest.. Is that what our Indian Law/Hindu tolerance calls for? Pls talk sense!!!
October 16th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
@Sapr333:
You must read before making comment. Thats rediff website message, not mine.
You accept or reject, thats yours.
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My take:
Note, tolerance is not one-sided, as respect is not one-sided. If you want to get respect, you have to respect me, and vice versa.
Keep your Bible teachings with you. We are not interested.
We are only interested, christians respect Hindu dharma, Hindus and their way of life in India. There is no place for christian missioanry terrorists in India to terrorise Hindus and destroy their culture and way of life.
The day christian missioanry terrorists stop terror on Hindus, Hindus will stop retaliaiton. Hindus have every right to defend their brethens, culture and dharma. Hindus are not the one, who attacks others first. They retaliate to defend.
Live and let live.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Bharath>>If you want to get respect, you have to respect me, and vice versa. >>>
Do you respect a rapist/murderer/vandalizer just because he says so!! I think you would use your common sense here.
>>We are only interested, christians respect Hindu dharma, >>
Will you respect Osama Bin Laden/Mujahideens just because they also believe strongly in something, ie, to kill infidels to protect their idea of god. If you feel hindu dharma has some thing great to offer, share it,debate it, and convince others, instead of raping nuns/torching alive humans/looting.
>>>The day christian missioanry terrorists stop terror on Hindus,>>
In a country where education was denied for 80% of the hindu population in the name of varna(for 3000 years), missionaries ensured that every third Indian is served by Christian missionary education & health care. Do you wanna call this as terrorist activity..Pls dont refer Websters,but not Bajrangdal’s English Dictionary..
October 16th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Bharath>>>Note, tolerance is not one-sided>>>
First of all get yourself cleared Tolerance in India is mostly of Jainism’s influence(definitely not hinduisms), and got propounded by Gandhiji who has lot of Jainic influence because of his Jain friend.. anyways, lets find out what tolerance means..
Philosopher John Rawls in his book ‘A Theory of Justice’ to the problem of whether a just society should or should not tolerate the intolerant, and to the related problem of whether or not, in any society, the intolerant have any right to complain when they are not tolerated.
Rawls concludes that a just society must be tolerant; therefore, the intolerant must be tolerated, for otherwise, the society would then be intolerant, and so unjust.
Can you comprehend??????????????
October 17th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Most Oriya newspapers have reported that Congress Rajya Sabha MP, RK Nayak was involved in the killing of Swami laxmananda in Kandamahal. In fact, he was appointed to Rajya Sabha by Sonia Gandhi’s Congress in 2004 even though IB had an adverse report on him.
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Cong MP suspected behind VHP leader’s murder
http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17911§ionid=4&issueid=75&Itemid=1
…killing of its leader Swami Lakshamananda Sarwasati was hatched in the presence of Congress Rajya Sabha member R.K. Nayak’
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Maoists were hired to kill Laxmanananda: Police
Thu, Oct 16 11:06 PM
Bhubaneswar, Oct 16 (PTI) In a major breakthrough the Orissa police today claimed that the mastermind behind VHP leader Laxamananda Saraswati’s killing had been identified as a group had hired the Maoists to execute the crime. “Maoists were given money to train certain youths of a particular community to eliminate Saraswati,” Inspector General (IG) of Police, crime branch, Arun Ray told PTI asserting the mastermind of the killings had been identified.
http://in.news.yahoo.com/20/20081016/1416/tnl-maoists-were-hired-to-kill-laxmanana.html
October 24th, 2008 at 5:35 am
@ Sapr33,
Absolutely bullshit.
Ahimsa Paramodharma is a Upanishadic line and contains none of Jain influence. Yet another colonial imposition.
October 24th, 2008 at 5:38 am
@ Sapr33,
Anti-Brahminism is a colonial legacy. Go refer to my earlier articles.
Don’t bark the same tree again and again.
November 11th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Acharyananda,
I studied in St. Josephs Indian High school in bangalore. Even though they never put a gun on my head and ask me to convert, they have used other subtle ways to try to condition my mind towards thinking Christianity is a better religion. The various methods include making all students sing Christian hymns and recite Xtian prayers at monday morning assembly.
Also students are ordered to attend various session where speakers usually include Xtian missionaries from other parts of India or the world. Bible are freely distributed among students along with other biblical comic books. Catholics get special cathecism class but the hindus need to take moral science (insinnuating that we dont have morals?). What is the problem in having hinduism lessons for the majority of the students who happen to be hindus?
Once in the middle school, when I had gone with some hindu friends to pray in the chapel, one of the older padres came out with a stick and chased us out shouting “Dirty bastard Hindus”. That was an eye opening experience for me.
When it comes to hindu students from better families, the priests in the school know better that to openly proselytize while the poorer students from the kannada medium are fertile land for their machinations. So the focus on english medium students is not blatant expression of pro-xtian agenda but instead it is of making a very subtle mark on the impressionable students so as not to elicit any reaction from the students.
While on paper their work appears very holy and wonderful, it is not the complete story of the Xtian educational institutions.
Also it must be remembered that these institutions came up only due to the massive funding and support from the British. The huge property and money at their disposal is only thanks to the British. It is amusing but this land and money have come from the wealth taken from the hindus. It is not as if the Xtians are doing us any favor; they stole our money and are giving us back just a pittance of what was taken away and they want us to appreciate it!!
November 11th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Also, it is very common to use the example of Mother Teresa to show how compassionate Christians are.
For people who believe in her saintliness, please read the following article,
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/hitchens_16_4.html
It should help remove the lies surrounding the myth of “Mother ” Teresa.
November 12th, 2008 at 3:30 am
Naren,
You have argued the point with the conclusion in mind. We need to have an open mind because that is how we are able to understand the things better. Here I feel that all are in a mud throwing business by trying to find out faults in others. It requires guts to say black as black & white as white. How can you simply deny the contribution of Mother Teresa and the missionaries who toiled hard in our land to uplift the downtrodden, poor, marginalised. How many Indian women will take up the responsibilities to pick up a dieing person on the foot path to give a descent life or bent down to clean the sores of a leper or give shelter to the orphan? You must go to Kolkata to see the living testimonies of Mother Teresa’s selfless sacrifice for our country. How could you deny that?
You could only remember the Padre who scolded you, but you could not remember those who contributed to your life and today you are what you are because of their contribution to your life? Can you deny that?
If you feel that India had so much money that they stole from us then why there are millions dieing at the road side, committing suicide due to poverty, getting into prostitution, crimes are growing in numbers etc.etc. ? Common Naren, if the Christian institutions were only into the process of proselytizing then by now 50% of Indians would have been Christian because many of us we studied in Christian institutions like you. Where as Christians are only 3% for last 2000 years from the time of St.Thomas, the disciple of Jesus who landed in India in the 1st century.
Instead of nurturing hatred towards other human beings, cultivate love and harmony and try to find out what made the Christians to tell others about Jesus Christ? Who is this Jesus? What did He teach? Ignorance is also evil.
Lord! lead us from darkness to light.
November 12th, 2008 at 4:01 am
Naren>>
Statement 1>>> they have used other subtle ways to try to condition my mind towards thinking Christianity is a better religion
2222 >>I had gone with some hindu friends to pray in the chapel, one of the older padres came out with a stick and chased us out shouting “Dirty bastard Hindus
Naren, arent you contradicting your own statements..
One point you are claiming ‘Priest tried to convet you’ and again you are saying he stopped you from entering Chapel.
November 12th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
It sounds contradictory only if you assume that a school as big as SJIHS had only one Padre in the 6 years that I was there!! That Padre who scolded me - I did not see him again. He must have been a visiting padre.
He just had so much hate in his heart that I guess he couldnt help doing what he did. Most of the padres in my school were not like him. But we were scared of most of them.
Maybe that experience was the reason why I was not influenced by the subtle innuendos of the institution.
Also, I am who I am because of myself. The school played a part in my development by providing space and opportunity for education, I agree. I do not deny that.
But the point here is that they can make this contribution without any ulterior motive. Their main purpose to help, is not for the sake of service but to influence the minds of unsuspecting children about the glory of Christianity. Education is just a side effect.
There would be no problems in Orissa and K’taka if Christians had a policy of live and let live. It is this ulterior motive of conversion that is causing problems. Mother Teresa’s ultimate objective was Conversion not service. This is in her own words. Please read the article whose link I posted.
One needs to be objective in analyzing the problems faced by Indians and their root cause.
The very act of trying to convert indicates superiority of the religion of the person suggesting the conversion. This is an absolute insult to the Hindus and smacks of condescension and hatred. It is not the hinuds who hates other but others who hate hindus and hinduism!
November 12th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Naren>>Their main purpose to help, is not for the sake of service but to influence the minds of unsuspecting children about the glory of Christianity. Education is just a side effect>>
Yes, their main purpose is Service, as per the Inspirations from Jesus Christ’s teaching of Liberating society, ie, Liberation through education.
So,their purpose is to “Service” and what if they ask you to join them in percolating that Service to fellow Indians..Somehow, they are only asking you (in a subtle way), to carry forward that service mentality, in your future days. When you received a good education, you should also give it back to the society, and they have every right in asking you to join them. I interpret it in this way, though you may call it as conversion.
Now you may say, that, you as a hindu, can/will also do that. But then, Hindu Varna teachings doesnt permit you to teach to Dalits. Even now in most of the Brahmin run Hindu Vidhyalayas, Veda’s are only taught to Brahmins and rest of hindus are asked to study Ramayana only.
Thats one reason, India was just 3% literate before the arrival of Catholic Missionaries. In the same time line of 1000 years ago, Europe was under dark ages, and soon after Christianity, it got full literate, and by the time we started opening (not gurukul)educational systems, Man has already landed on Moon and west was in command of all 99% of scientific inventions.
Let me conclude with one question… Which teachings from Hindu scriptures you would quote to those who confined right-to-education only to Brahmins and denied the Dalit/Backwards the educational rights? (What Manusmriti asks is to pour molten lead on ear and cut toungues of those who ventures in to reading)
November 28th, 2008 at 7:04 am
Dear Mr. Kamat,
I have been reading some of your blogs with interest. I would like to send you some material which does not fall in the category of blogs. However, I am unable to locate your general e.mail id. Please send me the same so as to enable me to take appropriate further action in the matter.
Regards,
M.G. Desai
November 28th, 2008 at 8:04 am
@ M G Desai,
I have already given my email ID. It is deepakmangalore@yahoo.co.in
November 28th, 2008 at 8:06 am
@ Sapr33,
West progressed because it rejected Christianity. And it is time Indian Christians did it too. Hope we don’t need Galileo this time..