Following are some instances in which the papacy admitted errors or apologised for actions of the Roman Catholic Church. If he can do so for trivial causes, why can’t he do so for the heinous murder of Swami Lakshmanananda in Kandhmal
1992: After 13 years of study by the Vatican, Pope John Paul II declared that the church was wrong to condemn astronomer Galileo for maintaining that the earth was not the centre of the universe. The scientist was formally rehabilitated and the pope said Galileo’s condemnation had resulted from “tragic mutual incomprehension”.
1992: Visiting a former centre of the slave trade in Senegal, John Paul begged for forgiveness for the Christians involved in the slave trade. “From this African sanctuary of black pain, we begged the pardon from above,” the pope said.
1995: John Paul issued a document saying that the Church was “truly sorry” for any discrimination or mistreatment of women.
1995: During a visit to the Czech Republic, John Paul asked forgiveness for violence by Catholics against Protestants during the 16th century Counterreformation. “Today I, the pope of the Church of Rome, in the name of all Catholics, ask forgiveness for the wrongs inflicted on non-Catholics during the turbulent history of these peoples.”
1998: In a document on the Holocaust, John Paul expressed remorse for the cowardice of some Christians during the Nazi persecution of Jews, regretting the silence of those who “were not strong enough to raise their voices in protest”.
1999: John Paul denounced the persecution of Jan Hus, a 15th-century religious reformer and precursor of Protestantism who was burned at the stake.
2000: On a solemn Day of Pardon during the Holy Year, John Paul asked forgiveness for the sins of Catholics through the ages, including wrongs inflicted on Jews, women and minorities. During the ceremony it was the future Benedict XVI, then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who spoke of the Inquisition, confessing “sins committed in the service of the truth”.
2000: In a visit to Yad Vashem, the Holocaust memorial in Jerusalem, John Paul said the Catholic Church is “deeply saddened by the hatred, acts of persecution and displays of anti-Semitism directed against the Jews by Christians at any time and in any place”.
2001: On a visit to Athens, John Paul issued a sweeping apology for wrongs committed by Roman Catholics against Orthodox Christians.
2001: Sending his official word over the internet for the first time, John Paul apologised for missionary abuses against indigenous peoples of the South Pacific.
2006: Pope Benedict XVI said on Sunday he was “deeply sorry” that Muslims worldwide took offence over a speech he gave in Germany on September 12 about Islam and holy war.
October 29th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Orange Orangutans/RSS/Bajrangis,
Whats your objective for the hidden hatred towards Christians, when Maoists have opened admitted to the killing of Mr.Lakshmanada?
Even if, do you respond back by Raping Nuns? Is that what your morals standards are, though you may justify to me, that,your own gods like Rama, retaliated by Rape/slitting Breasts etc!.. Guys, you need to grow up!!
October 29th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
my dear fellow christian brothers.
This is an open letter for you.
Please do not respond to this idiot whose only aim is to get noticed by throwing dirt at great personalities.
Germ of the gutter remains a guttre worm no matter how one cleans it.
His aim is to instigate and he knows how much real hindus have supported him and this is his new idea to vent out his frustration of not being a man inspite of growing moustache and beard.
The self proclaimed reality has been exposed by kavi-sangeetha and dr.sardesai and one dr.gaonkar.
And to my fellow hindus,
these are not warriors of hinduism but are the real denigrators of our faith by their acts of cowardice.
As far as pope’s sorry for swamiji’s murder is concerned he should ask the maoists leader and not pope.
October 29th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
whenever the church has done wrong the church has always said sorry. But to seek his forgiveness for the maoists’ deed is not right. Anyway i too think it is publicity stunt by this napunsak.
October 29th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Ha ha this guy could n’t answer us or debate us on valid facts. He keeps on posting absurdity. I have said this to one other bloooger in tha past” Yeah, keep dreaming you worm, Pope is going to come and say “sorry” to you.”
and you know what, Christians or Maoists , that Goonda swami got want he needed. This is the same guy who has been forcibly reconverting Christian tribals. The same guy attacked Christians last Christmas. ( I clearly remember his name, as I was blogging at that time too. - His sidekicks sent out Goondas to attack Christians on Christmas day, a day everybody prays for peace) Now they gave it back on Krishnanshtamy, nice11. You reap what you sow!
BTW I am not catholic, but hey, this guy is over his limits demanding Pope to say sorry to him.
October 29th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Is there anybody in your gang to issue apology for BabriMasjid, a crime against Human intelligence and civilization. How about killing of Gandhi? How about thosands of Muslims killed in Gujarat? thosands of Dalits oppressed and killed? Is there anybody issuing apology for the annihilation of Budhists and jainists and conversion of their temples to Hindu temples… o forgot, you are above all those.
Kamath, sit with your foot in your mouth again.
October 29th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
sapr333>>though you may justify to me, that,your own gods like Rama, retaliated by Rape/slitting Breasts etc!.. Guys, you need to grow up!!
Ha haa ha ha good joke truly a very good joke my dear traitor.
October 29th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
hey deepak, first look at your own backyard before you point fingers at others, man.
Guys, this fellow has made habit to insult other religions. What is happening in India. these monkey brigade are terrorists & in the name of religion kill people. look at the killer of Mahatma. he was an rss guy.
its an open secret. bjp’s support to these monkey brigade is coming out with more concrete evidence.(Sadhvi’s arrest in Malegaon blast).
October 29th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Hindava you may be one of few idiots standing up dishing out BS still. Know that your kind is not that great in number.
October 29th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
DEEPAK KAMAT,btw You should not even seek apology from Maoists, cos,YOU BELIEVE IN KARMA RIGHT!!!..
For all the killing Mr.Laksmanandha did in Christmas-2007, he was repaid with his Karma..Btw, forgiveness/apology is not in Vedas.So whey seeking that?
October 30th, 2008 at 1:20 am
My next post will have shocking evidence on Christian complicity in the killing of Swami Lakshmanannda.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:04 am
I don’t know why the medieval Christian propaganidsts (Emmarcee and Sapr33) are saying that I have not answerd.
I have answered every of their queries. Medieval Christianity is dead like a mutton.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:41 am
kamath, may be you are mulling over the answer in your head. Shake it a little. It may come out.. then post it so we can read.
Hinduism is living only because our country is still a “developing” country with masses of illiterates, OK? when people get material wealth, they forget religion. That is the truth. Then they come back when their community ends up in chaos.
Now about the “evidence”, mmm, this should be the evidence posted by Orissa police right? Think that this is the same force who was there without doing anything when the atrocities were going on. Come on.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Christen and Islam is only a religious cult, they are doing business on name of religion nothing else, even they dont know who is god, their god is far away in different dimension.
ONE DAY THEY WILL SAY SORRY FOR SPREADING THIS RELGIOUS CULT.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
satinder>>Christen and Islam is only a religious cult, they are doing business on name of religion nothing else, even they dont know who is god>>
Lets not fight here to prove who is great or small..My basic question about God is,..Will the God of absolute holiness,Righteousness, Justice would resort to Rape?
If so, on what logic you would agree to Moral Standards, and can we set those standards which would be universal for all mankind..
Easwar/Vamsi; Will respond to you soon..bit short of time
EMMARCEE>>when people get material wealth, they forget religion>>
I am not sure on what context you said this,but,im sure, material wealth is no way related to God..As Jesus Christ said, Entering Kingdom of God is a narrow way, like a Camel entering through a needle hole..
October 30th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Satinder>>ONE DAY THEY WILL SAY SORRY FOR SPREADING THIS RELGIOUS CULT.
>>
Here is some doctrine which believes men are not born equal, and hence they should do only menial jobs and cant touch the Books of literacy and were forced to stay away from the society..
And here is another doctrine,which says, God Created every humans out of his image and every human is entitled to have his basic dignity, including self respect/Right to education/right to profess and proclaim..
Now, Choose the best of of two.. and let me know which doctrine feels like CULT?
October 30th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
@Deepak:
why my message is missing? Do you not allow website links?
October 30th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Christian Priesthood and Sex Abuse.
Vatican issues screening guidelines for priests due to sex abuse scandals
VATICAN CITY – The Vatican issued new psychological screening guidelines for seminarians Thursday — the latest effort by the Roman Catholic Church to be more selective about its priesthood candidates following a series of sex abuse scandals.
The church said it issued the new guidelines to help church leaders weed out candidates with “psychopathic disturbances.” The scandals have rocked the church in recent years, triggering lawsuits that have cost hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements.
“(The guidelines) became ever more urgent because of the sexual scandals,” Monsignor Jean-Louis Brugues told reporters. He stressed, however, that psychological testing was used in some seminaries as far back as the 1960s — or at least a decade before the sexual abuse scandals exploded in public.
“In all too many cases, psychological defects, sometimes of a pathological kind, reveal themselves only after ordination to the priesthood,” the guidelines said. “Detecting defects earlier would help avoid many tragic experiences.”
The guidelines said problems like “confused or not yet well-defined” sexual identities need to be addressed.
The Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests said the Vatican needs to go beyond screening
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap_on_re_eu/eu_vatican_screening_priests
October 30th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
You all saffron brigade supporter, you should know that we Christians are here to abuse your religion and hurt your feelings by denigrating you gods. If you react we will concoct many theories to down play you. We can easily conspire with media. We had done that before in projecting the Nun rape cases in Jhabua (MP) and Mumbai. Even though later it was proven false, you know none of the main stream media covered it. So do what ever you want you will always be on the backfoot.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
crsdr,
son, I know rape is nothing to you. You will even rape your mother for Rama name. There is salvation for you down in your motherrs cunt. Attend to her after you deposit your Bija in your sister. I am waiting..
October 31st, 2008 at 12:37 am
Deepak Kamat
October 30th, 2008 at 1:20 am
My next post will have shocking evidence on Christian complicity in the killing of Swami Lakshmanannda
If you do so why not approach police and give your shocking info. The bjp supported govt is in place in orissa. Your shocking info is nothing but farce just as you are.
October 31st, 2008 at 12:38 am
It is sad indeed that the fundamentalist forces want to target the minorities and it is no surprise that these vested interests have targeted Pope now. One can ask forgiveness for the crimes one has done but for some one else’s crime if one has to claim responsibility it is injustice. If at all one has to say sorry it is the maoists not Christians
October 31st, 2008 at 12:45 am
this is nothing but hypocrysy by this blog owner about asking forgiveness of pope for the crime which christians DIDNOT committ. So manyt times the maoists have claimed that the actual killers are them and protest against beef eating and forcible re-conversions at death-threat by the sane sanyasi was the reason by them for their murder. But though the sangh parivar knows the truth they want to show the world a different story to ignite religious hatred.
October 31st, 2008 at 12:49 am
@ Crsdr
Well, with the internet, the media dynamics has changed.
I know that the Christian missionaries have purchased Indian media. But they can’t purchase me because I am a journalist who was fired from the mainstream media.
Remember, every Goliath meets a David.
October 31st, 2008 at 12:50 am
Why should the pope render apology for the act not done by christians?.
Moreover it is us hindus who have to retrospect our faith and the downfall of our faith is by fanaticism by these idiots.
October 31st, 2008 at 12:54 am
It is such a farce that fanatic is asking for forgiveness which is nothing but hatred formula as he knows one would not say sorry for the crime that he or his faith has not committed.
October 31st, 2008 at 12:57 am
hindu fanatics asking for forgiveness is joke of the century. any one with normal brain can understand the idea behind it because maoists have clearly told on tv that they have killed the swami and without anyone’s influence.
And shocking evidence would be as duplicate as deepak kamat because he will not have the daring to show it to the cops. he he.!!
October 31st, 2008 at 1:02 am
The christians of india have shown to the world by their deeds what selfless swervice is and it is no surprise that people would follow their faith emulating them in gratitude.
The fanatics who cannot confront them with service now want to eliminate them because they cannot match them anyway.
It is nio surprise majority of hindus are falling away from faith because of these fanatics.
October 31st, 2008 at 1:05 am
The christians have done invaluable service to the mankind in the field of education and other spheres that they have involved themselves.
It is very sad indeed that this community which has been asset to our nation is being attacked and killed.
We hindus should kick the fanatic sangh-parivar from india so that we can live peacefully.
October 31st, 2008 at 1:08 am
It is nothing but the true face of hinduism.
They have nothing to offer to the intellectuals
And this is their way to spread religion by attcking.
Sriram did it for personal gain by using monkeys
Arjun did it by killing his own brother
And these fanatics do it now because it is what they are made up of.
October 31st, 2008 at 1:14 am
What are these fanatics up to?
religion has to be a realtionship with god and self.
If murdering and raping christians one realises god then he is sanghparivar member.
But we hindus are not what these idiots project.
We are a tolerant faith with thousands of years of harmony.
It is also a lie that there are forcible conversions by christians because they are still just 2% of india’s total population.
October 31st, 2008 at 1:21 am
The sangh-parivar has been doing false propaganda about christians who just constitute a mere 2% to 2.5% of our population.
If there were forcible conversions or lure-convesrsions as c laimed by fantaics of our faith the results would have been different.
(they would have constituted more than 40%. because they are here since centuries).
Instead of acknowledging their work in hospuitals, old-aged people, sick and poor and in education of hindu people(benifitted more compared to they themselves the sanghparivar wants to attack it just because sonia gandhi belonged to that faith.
we ourselves are denigrating our faith if we do these induman acts against a noble community.
October 31st, 2008 at 1:36 am
Hindava
October 29th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
sapr333>>though you may justify to me, that,your own gods like Rama, retaliated by Rape/slitting Breasts etc!.. Guys, you need to grow up!!
Ha haa ha ha good joke truly a very good joke my dear traitor.
REALITY:
IDIOT, why arwe you laughing?. it is a joke not just on our gods but on ourselves because we worship the same god.
We shoul have some “end” (result) to whatever crime we committ because “end is emoprtant and not the means” as krishna taught us.
There are reasons for ram and other gods to do rape and incest. we have no remorse because we dont believe in sin concept and we dont have dos and donts like these faiths do.
So rape incest are common to us hindus and plz dont joke on us SAPR.
October 31st, 2008 at 1:50 am
Is this the reward by hindus to christians who have always been asset to the nation rather than a liability unlike bhajrangdal?
The fanatic elements of hinduism have been dividing india in the name of religion.
What would be the fate of our faith if these fanatics allowed to operate.
Hindus need to wake up and kick these bhajrangis out of our country and save hinduism from denigration.
October 31st, 2008 at 1:50 am
hey fanatic emmarcee,
“Hinduism is living only because our country is still a “developing” country with masses of illiterates, OK? when people get ”
You try to be indian first then you change your identy us a fanatic protestent
Hey You study about indian history first, all bloody cristian nation and kajinis, kooris and mohal want to loot bloody indian wealth. till 16th century they dont know wat is diamond … we(true indian) know variety of diamond and gold. Megasthanis & hu van suvang who visited 2200 years back right that they really stuned about indian cultured .. No houses had a custom of locking system … no theft.. all are very knowledgeble… indian are wealthy…
We are again going back to same level that is all. You must be understand that only one thing is permanent which is changes…apart from change nothing is permanent in the world. That why Indian says sathia meva jayathey - serva looga sugino bhavantu.. Happy should exists all across the world not only in visible but also non visible world thats why its finishes with shanthi ..shanthi ..shanthi
You just try to be indian rather than protestant.. dont again try to make muddle our india by saying clour,casste,bajrangess we know bloody shut your mouth ..dont interfer others is any indian interfer others then wats ,, we know wat happend 2 billion people bloody cristian killed in the name of god…. Now you say that they have all changed…Is it correct interfer with iraq killing thousands of innocent people … is it correct entering iran and trying to create chaos over ther… we know bloody cristian logic…
You understand one think for every action one have to see equal sort of re action– that is karma theory.. you know wat happeened to kaliliyo who has done what…
you protestant you keep queit dont try to muddle we indian know wat is correct and wat is wrong. we never supported bari masjid demolish … we indian never support gujarath riots….
I will tell you cristianity has god single type of mentality people.. any problem all will stood together… muslim also single type mentality…. all will stood together if they feel its problem to them… but Indian dont do becouse we are not single mentality people there are many type of mind set people around here to support and to against it… Thats why its called sanadhan dharma… we will adjest to all level… one cant predict what kind of people are…
to easy understand explain here: There are so many banana’s, mango’d, so many dogs..cats… cows… tigers.. for a example if you take apus mango taste is different and banganapalli taste is different tow both are mangos taste are different like wise . same mentality people comes always will move closer comes closer live closer thats wat religion has come.. but india no religion but live as a many group becouse we are Unity in diversity…dont try to muddle you cant.. even britsh failed.. mugul failled.. kajini. koori….many many failed… but they succeded in all other place other than india thats why eroup and USA comes closer to india. You know only ot pin point but you dont know have to see similarity… so wat ever you read you cant understand you require many janma to know euiliburium of universe….
Am not abusing sorry for my harsh word .. My assirwath to you sathiameva jayathey…
October 31st, 2008 at 1:50 am
@ All,
Continue with your arguments while I rest awhile.
October 31st, 2008 at 1:56 am
there is no logic in asking for a sorry from a person not related to the crime.
Maoists are not backed by church as these fanatics claim.
The anarchy caused by the slain swami who had denigrated hinduism by depicting as savior but using forceful means of reconversions by issuing death threats.
forgiveness if at all deserved is not these fanatics but the dalit christians who are raped killed and driven to forests by these bhajrang dal.
October 31st, 2008 at 2:00 am
Deepak Kamat
October 31st, 2008 at 1:50 am
@ All,
Continue with your arguments while I rest awhile.
All the armour got over right?. running away is the right method adopted by bhjrangis when actual war begins.
October 31st, 2008 at 4:46 am
1. The demolition of Babari Masjid requires no apology as it’s been clearly proven that there was a temple there before the barber, sorry babar did his barbaric act. Even today in government records it’s mentioned as Janmastan and i guess no one here claim that it was babar or mohammed himself was born in Ayodhya.Rather christians should think of issuing an apology for demolishing the Mylapore Siva temple in Chenai and building Santhome Cathedral on top of it in the name of yet another fictitious character by the name Thomas who later became Saint Thomas for fooling Indian Christians. Anyway Hindus has already started the process of reclaiming it back legally. Lets see how it goes.
2. RAPE RAPE AND ONLY RAPE…
As long as the christains can’t produced the alleged nun in Orissa who has been raped how can you accuse someone else. The supreme court has asked to submit the proofs for this claim and ever since the ‘holy” father and his nun is missing. A short while ago in Madhya Pradesh this same RAPE technology was used by missionaries when they were caught red handed doing anti constitutional activities and we all know what happened after that.In tribal Kerala its very common that many children resemble the “holy” father of the church they visit. I can give at least 20 such incidents from the district of Idukki and Kottayam alone in the last 5 years. If one add the numbers form many “DIVINE HEALING CENTERS” the count might increase to hundreds. Better ask your “holy” fathers not to rape like this before you accuse Hindus for raping none, rather nun.
3. It is a common thing with christianity or rather churchianity, because I feel Jesus was an honest man and we can’t blame him for the genocide, burning alive of women, raping them, inquisition and many such atrocities that has been committed on various people, to apologize for the inhuman acts committed by “holy” fathers. There is nothing wrong if the Hindus claim it for Goan inquisition where thousands of Hindu men were butchered and women RAPED. But I don’t expect one form the present Nazi pope.
4. Don’t get carried away by the “christian” service in the filed of education and health care. Only a mere population which is less than 5% attend christian management schools. Not even 3% of the total population of India go to a christian run hospital for curing their disease. Even if they go what is wrong, no christian hospital is giving FREE service, rather they are all very expensive. There is Staya Sai Heart hospital in Bangalore which performed a staggering 50,000 open heart surgeries in one year not even charging a single penny. Does any christian hospitals can match this. SO KEEP QUIET ON SERVICES.
October 31st, 2008 at 5:23 am
Nice reply from Asutosh Apte,
Don’t worry. There are more skeletons in te Christian cupboard.
I did not want to dig the Christian graveyard. But some Christians in this forum forced me to.
So I will unravel all the Christian skeletons in the cupboard one by one. Watch out for more.
If Christianity is the Goliath, I am the David.
October 31st, 2008 at 5:31 am
Easwar_TCH>>TO EMMARCEE>>You just try to be indian rather than protestant.. dont again try to make muddle our india by saying clour,casste,bajrangess we know bloody shut your mouth>>
Patriotism is a refined form of fascism. This is what is costing us wars and killing.. What if India-Russia-Pakistan becomes one country? Like E.U,which is attemption towards forming it as one country? Dont mingle India with Hinduism, and forcibly throw anti-patriotismic doubts over non-hindus.
To be frank, with a human approach, I would only prefer ‘One World’ than a Hindustan.
October 31st, 2008 at 5:35 am
Deepak Kamath>>>because I am a journalist who was fired from the mainstream media.>>
Definitely English press would not keep a person like you, who has very limited knowledge, poor comprehension,and pathetic writing style.
None of your writing carrys the tint of a journo.. Dont make tall claims. I sincerely doubt your Journalistic claim..
October 31st, 2008 at 5:51 am
Asutosh Apte>>Only a mere population which is less than 5% attend christian management schools>>
1/3rd of the education institutions in India is controlled by Christian schools. Take any top ranking/popular colleges, XLRI/St.Stephens/Loyola/St.Xaviers etc etc. Read the matrimonial advt, most of parents claims proud that their girl is Convent Educated.. We had the oldest University Nalanda/Taxila right!! And why before British India’s literacy is just 2% and who brought up the Indian literacy? Where were all those Gurukuls?
>>There is Staya Sai Heart hospital in Bangalore which performed a staggering 50,000 open heart surgeries in one year >>
Take St.John’s of Bangalore in the prime residential area with 2000 beds on a 100Acre land worth 6000 Crores (Land value alone) . All highly critical patients/accidents will only rush to that hospital and is open to all anytime. Thats service..In Sai Baba, one has to wait for 2 years to get his free heart surgery, and who knows what happens to the patient in this span..
October 31st, 2008 at 6:45 am
>>Pope should apologise for Laxmanananda murder>>
You believe in Karma right!! Mr.Laxmananda’s karma is paid by Maoists!!
So now, you want to drag pope also.. So Bajrangi’s want to go to Vatican and rape some more Italians tooo I guess?
October 31st, 2008 at 7:24 am
Ashutosh apte>>Only a mere population which is less than 5% attend christian management schools>>
Historical contribution and the break though in education of the church in the field of Indian education lies in the fact that ‘The church broke the monopoly of the particular privileged caste(Brahmin), decentralized and democratized it ( even Mogul/British couldn’t cut ice).
October 31st, 2008 at 7:30 am
Ashutosh Apte>>There is Staya Sai Heart hospital in Bangalore which performed a staggering 50,000 open heart surgeries in one year >>
Guess why you dont find any leprosy hospital run by hindu missions?
Christians run that, cos they are inspired by the life of Jesus Christ, who touched the wounds of lepers , in a Jewish society where lepers were thrown out of the village.
Christians in India run 266 Leprosy Hospitals, which even outnumber the State run hospitals.
October 31st, 2008 at 8:44 am
OK, Hindu perverts,
First - Kamath you have been giving your brain permanent rest. I hope you wake up and open your eyes and see the truth instead of dwelling your hate campaign for political reason!
Lord Easwar (whoever is showing the audacity to call himself Easwar!!). Eff YOu. See - that shows that I am not missionary or protestant. I am not Catholic or unpatriotic. I believe in a secular India, an idea which the fanatics call pseudosecularism. What I wrote about the illiterate masses is right and I stand by it. You have to open your eyes.
We are not talking about 16th century world now. At that time, Europeans were religious fanatics like you guys too. They grew up. Lots of them don’t go to church anymore because they are bred into this Godless Postmodern culture.. (which Iskon is using to bring them into some kind of fake spiritualism - poor people don’t know how perverted the Great Hindu religion is - they are looking for spirituality!!). look at Japanese a culture which adopted wetern values fast even though they were so called Budhists. India will reach that time when we are beyond these petty religious fights, as long as you Nazis leave the people alone. But no - you have to drag us down with your backward looking philsophies, casteism, the 1000 stone and concrete gods, snake charming, Trishul piercing , worshipping an ice piece as Penis of God (BTW which disappears miraculously)!
and what Kamat agrees that you guys don’t need to aplogize for anything… all those things I Pointed out. Then why did you start this blog? You want Pope to apologize to you? I think your father and mother need to apologise to us for begetting you!!
October 31st, 2008 at 8:58 am
and Kamath, I am waiting for your skeletons… BTW if you are so patriotic, and you hate Christians, for some very bad things Christians did to you, please do the following,
1. Ask your elite people to stop sending their kids to Christian eductaional places
2. Stop using English because it was spread by rotten Christian English people.
3. Prevent people from going to Christian hospitals and other missionary service centers.
4. Stop importing your people (people who are hard core Hindutwawaasdis) to Christian countries. Atleast once resettled, don’t pretend that you are all peace loving “neighbours” and “freedom of speech and religious expression” is your right.
5. Stop Iskon from spreading Hindu perversion in Christian countries
(You know what - these will be the best things can happen from the recent international coverage of Hindu Fanaticism - people have started paying attention to the real Hinduism)
6. Stop pretending that Budhism and Jainism are memebers of Hindu Parivar. (after annihilating and confiscating worship places of these faiths , how dare you say this)
7. Bring back the caste system since of course Hindu systemn is fully based on Brahminism as history can prove without a doubt.
8. When you upper caste people blog in favor of Brahminism make sure that you don’t show the tails - Kamth, Rao Ayyer etc.
9. or say that this is Kali Yug and it will end only in destruction.
October 31st, 2008 at 9:06 am
The Brahministic Hindu remnant of India is a mistake of history. A mistake the Muslim rulers and British rulers committed. But Brahmins were intelligent to survive through all these. How did they do that? They always played with the rulers.. appointing themselves as the “local” leaders and rulers, while the Muslim and British rulers were upper level / tertiary level rulers, the Brahmins and the upper caste played with them by ruling in the grass root lvel. It was a mistake of history that Muslims or British did not do way with this system. Especially nasty British, they did n’t care about anything other than money and trade. They just wanted these local rulers to supplement them with taxes and services. This setup resulted in further strengthening of the caste system. Our Brahmins still want the same system where other people are beneath them.
YOu know what you Hindu Perverts, over ambition is only for your destruction. You will finally sit with four states in the middle of India as a Hindu raj, picking fight with all the neighbours. Kamaths and Ayyers can probably move to this ramarajya.
October 31st, 2008 at 9:36 am
and then Sapr, why compare the hospitals for quality? How did Sai baba mission get this idea of service? From Christians. I guess people want to contradict that too? I guess when we have hate we see only negative side.
October 31st, 2008 at 9:40 am
50000 open hearts without charging single penny? LOL a miracle. Just shows you are so ignorant man.
October 31st, 2008 at 9:52 am
Eashwar, dodn’t talk to me about Megasthenes and Magatha, YOur Hindu fanatics got rid of one international religion callled Budhism that was born in India. Now you are pretending to share the spirituality. No, Budhism is more intellectual and spiritual. You guys are deceptive and people will fall for you if we don’t know the true history. Yes Huansan talked about India , but that was a Budhist India.
I can prove by real point that Budhism and Jainism does not come under Brahminic Hinduism. May be Hindu pandits later took ideas from Budhism.
and Inida’s pride does not just come from Hindu fanatics. India theri Maki nahin. Is that correct? Muslims ruled India for 6 centuries, where was your musculinty then. and you know what thank god for Muslims. You will never be able to make a Pan Hindusitic India, even if you kill away the 2 percent Christians.
October 31st, 2008 at 10:13 am
@ Emmarcee,
Your missionary version of Hinduism is very funny. Continue with your pipe dreams.
Who said that Buddhism and Jainism is not a part of Hinduism. Go check the etymological meaning of Hinduism before you engage in polemics. Your knowledge of Hinduism is pathetic.
October 31st, 2008 at 10:13 am
Regarding Hindu masculinity, who was Rana Pratap, who was Shivaji. Who were the Peshwas who really put an end to Islamic rule. Hinduism survived because of masculine Hinduism alone.
October 31st, 2008 at 10:15 am
Regarding Buddhism, it was Islam which put an end to it. Remember, who destroyed the Bamiyan Buddhas. Now I know that you are giong to quote Mullah/Padre/Left/Colonial history.
October 31st, 2008 at 10:16 am
@ Sapr33,
I have one quality that the Indian media does not possess — Truthfulness and the penchant to speak things the way it is. All the rest be damned.
October 31st, 2008 at 10:32 am
and Kamath, it is not skeleton in cupboard, it is skeleton in closet… yu cannot hide a skeleton in a cupboard. Stupido!
October 31st, 2008 at 10:42 am
Bhubaneswar, October 31: : Orissa government suspended five policemen in the nun rape episode in Kandhamal district after a joint report was filed by the District Collector and Superintendent of Police.
“Five policemen have been placed under suspension for misconduct and negligence of duty in connection with the nun episode,” Home Secretary T K Mishra told reporters.
The action was taken on the basis of a joint report filed by Kandhamal collector Krishna Kumar and Superintendent of Police Prabin Kumar.
Patnaik had on Wednesday a sought a report on policemen deployed at K Nuagaon in the district where the nun was allegedly raped during the Orissa bandh on August 25.
The policemen suspended with immediate effect were an assistant sub-inspector Rasananda Mallick, havildar major K N Mohapatra and havildars S K Hamim, J S Khan and B K Mohanty, official sources said.
With action being taken against these five, now the number of policemen against whom action has been taken in the incident stands at 6. Earlier, Baliguda police station officer in-charge K N Rao was suspended for failing to take steps after the nun lodged an FIR on August 26.
The move was aimed at restoring the confidence of the people, particularly in riot-ravaged Kandhamal district, the sources said.
October 31st, 2008 at 10:48 am
I wrote about 4-5 relevant points and the various christian avatars have nothing to say. Christians might be controlling many educational institutions but the fact of the matter is very few among the huge population of Bharat comes out of those. None of the scholars who is world famous has come out of any of these institutions claimed by someone. Or give us some names. But for one name I can give 20 names of scholars who are known to the entire world who hasn’t had the privilege to pass out form a christian institute. And he conveniently ignores my points on Babari Masjid, Saint Thomas, Sathya Sai Hospital and the “holy” fathers raping their nuns. Just now my friend from Kerala told me about the story of a nun by the name Abhaya who was raped and killed. Her body was found inside the well in the abbey where she stayed. She was just 21 when this brutal act occurred. But because of the powerful christian lobby that controls the media as well as the communist, congress government in Kerala, till today the accused “holy” father is still not convicted. He is also a homo sexual according to some it seems. Sapr aka emmarcee is a well trained evangelist. He is a wolf that is aiming on the Buddhist population and I can only laugh at his claims. He thinks that Buddhism is not a part of Hinduism. Hinduism is a composite religion unlike Christianity or Islam. Hinduism has accommodated all kinds of point of views, including atheism. That is the reason why we happily accepted the Syrian Christians, the Arabs and the Jews and the Pharsis. The Jews and the Pharsis merged into the Hindu society without any problem. They didn’t try to convert everyone to their belief. The Christains and Moslems have started unleashing terror attacks to intimidate Hindus, the former by murdering sacred Hindu saints like Shri. Lakshmananda Saraswatiji and the later by planting bombs at busy roads, railway stations and markets. They are only two sides of the same coin. He is trying the age old trick of racist white master who pays him to divide the composite society of Bharat by claiming that Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism are different from Hinduism. What he’s not understanding is the fact that his masters failed miserably even after 200 years of British rule. Then how can some inferior sudra like him dream of it. Time will make him realize that.
October 31st, 2008 at 11:07 am
hi deepak sir………..my question is………
how to bring unity among hindus?????????who r divided becoz of caste system n quota system??????????ofcouse christians n muslims r attacking india………….we will not survive untill we have unity in ours……………how to bring equality in hinduism……………..and to practise equality on the basis of karma not by birth……….this is my question sir………………..who will solve tis???????????//how to do tis?????????????????????
October 31st, 2008 at 11:17 am
Hey, Sapr is not emmarcee. I told you I am not evangelical. and I think you are a SOB. Name one scholar who went throuth Christian college? You are a SOB again. It is not my duty to go and find names for you. Go and find what were the first real higher education centers of India.. including Calcutta.
Babri Masjid. agin you are a SOB. that is why you don’t thinl you don’t need apology. This masjid was a part of history being built in 1500 and your monkeys destroyed it for political reason. Everyone with a brain knows that Rama is a mythical king and he did not cross ocean with a monkey army. There could have been an old temple at the site , so that does not give you permission to illegally destroy a 500 year old structure.
Mylapore, it is just another “RamjanmaBhoomi” isue the Hindu parivar is keeping so that they can get some vote in Dravida strong Tamilnaadu. what else, Madhura? So how many Hindu temples should be converted back to Budhist and Jain shrine? These are all part of history. You nazis bring these issues since you need need a central thema and an enemy.
I know you are a Kerala brother.. that is why you are talking about Abhaya. That is a crime police is investigating. People have died in SaiBaba residence. Who knows how Amritananda Mayi is making so much of money? These kind of crime issues are not related to Chritianity or any faith. again you are talking about this because you are a SOB keralite. Regulat Hindus of Kerala dodn’t talk like this.
Budhism is NOT PART OF STUPID HINDUISM. Ask any Budhist.
and your sacred Saraswati was a killer and a Goonda. That is why he got what he asked for. that may happen again if you try to do the same thing he tried. — hey now you know I am not a good Christian!!
and if you don’t like white masters, don’t pack your bags to go to christian countries.
when the hell was India a composite country you dick? That is just your Nazi propaganda which originated in 1930s with rise of Hitler. India is what you see now. 75 percent Hindu, 25 percent others. If you don’t let people live in peace, forget about your peace too. You can decide to push the country back by a century.
October 31st, 2008 at 11:43 am
@ Shyam Bhatt,
You can bring unity among Hindus when you remind them of their glorious past, just the way Jambavan did to Hanuman.
Regarding caste system, iti s a fossilisation of the Varna system which will go as the Hindu awareness level goes high.
Most important, it is necessary to counter anti-Hindu propaganda of the missionary-Mullah-Colonial-Comrade brigade.
That is what I am doing in this site. That is why there is no censoreship. I am inviting all the Mullahs/Missionaries/Colonialists and all anti-Hindu propagandists to throw dirt so that I can clean them.
October 31st, 2008 at 11:45 am
@ Emmarcee,
Nice pseudosecular propaganda.
You are a prototype pseudosecularist. Continue with your canard till I effectively checkmate you.
BTW, which newspaper do you read. Which TV channel do you watch. You are a sucker for the Indian media. That is for sure.
October 31st, 2008 at 11:54 am
The Emmarcee dogma
Dogma: and Kamath, I am waiting for your skeletons… BTW if you are so patriotic, and you hate Christians, for some very bad things Christians did to you, please do the following.
Reality: I am not patriotic. I am Hindu internationalist who beleives in the classic Hindu adage — Vasudaiva Kutumbukam — the world is one family.
Dogma: 1. Ask your elite people to stop sending their kids to Christian eductaional places
Reality: Ask your Christian eductional places to close admission for Hindus.
Dogma: 2. Stop using English because it was spread by rotten Christian English people.
Reality: English is western. It is not Christian. Besides, language is only meant for communication. Don’t expect me to be a silly language fundamentalist.
Dogma 3: 3. Prevent people from going to Christian hospitals and other missionary service centers.
Reality: You close admission for Hindus.
Dogma 4: 4. Stop importing your people (people who are hard core Hindutwawaasdis) to Christian countries. Atleast once resettled, don’t pretend that you are all peace loving “neighbours” and “freedom of speech and religious expression” is your right.
Reality: You mean west. The west has already rejected Christianity. Churches are running on losses in the west. Remember Thomas Jefferson. Don’t fool me.
Dogma: 5. Stop Iskon from spreading Hindu perversion in Christian countries
Reality: Stop Missionaries from spreading Christian perversions in India. BTW, I would like to inform you that I am not a supporter of ISKCON although I don’t oppose it too.
Dogma: (You know what - these will be the best things can happen from the recent international coverage of Hindu Fanaticism - people have started paying attention to the real Hinduism)
Reality: CHeck you knowledge of Hinduism. It is full of errors.
Dogma: 6. Stop pretending that Budhism and Jainism are memebers of Hindu Parivar. (after annihilating and confiscating worship places of these faiths , how dare you say this)
Reality: Another pseudosecular propaganda. Go through the etymological meaning of the word Hindu. And it was Islam whcih put an end to Buddhism. Remeber the Bamiyan Buddhas.
Dogma: 7. Bring back the caste system since of course Hindu systemn is fully based on Brahminism as history can prove without a doubt.
Reality: Hinduism is beyond castes. It is the missionary mischief to equate Hinduism with Brahminism. Remember Charvaka and Kanada were atheists and agnostics.
Dogma: 8. When you upper caste people blog in favor of Brahminism make sure that you don’t show the tails - Kamth, Rao Ayyer etc.
Reality: So you are trying to divide Hindus in terms of caste. Tut Tut Tu.. For your information, Narendra Modi — the poster boy of Hinduism is OBC (Other Backward Caste). So go sell your anti-Brahminism elsewhere.
Dogma: 9. or say that this is Kali Yug and it will end only in destruction.
Reality: that is just one of the views of Hinduism. Hinduism is free for all. By the way, do you know the real definiton of Hinduism. I am withholding this because the cat always makes it a point to play with the mice before the final kill.
October 31st, 2008 at 11:59 am
@deepak sir………
IN orkut am very dissapointed to see many communities which r based only on caste…………..there r almost no community tat we r hindu we r equal lets serve nation…………every caste ppl r blaming on others…………….there is no unity at all………….there r a lot of qualified ppl in hinduism serving their own caste………in 20th century…………this is really bad………….
October 31st, 2008 at 12:05 pm
@ Shyam Bhat,
Serving your own caste is not bad. Maligning other castes is bad.
BTW, the varna system was introduced not to divide society but to strengthen the socety. Hinduism is very flexible. You can change things if it does not suit you.
We are not one-point cults like Islam and Christianity. Freedom is the mainstay of Hinduism.
You see, I am a Gaud Saraswat Brahmin. Even I serve my own caste. the only difference is that I don’t malign others. Just as we respect our own parents, we should respect other’s parents too. Abolishing caste is not the answer. Respecting others is the answer.
In fact, there is a lot of cultural diversity in India because of the caste system. Remove the filth and you will have a lotus blooming from the dirty.
October 31st, 2008 at 12:15 pm
@deepak………thank u for guidelines……….in karnataka so called buddhijeevis r supporting missioneries n muslims………….their mind also should be cleaned……………tey r supporting conversions……….tey r making use of the fact that hindus anyways have lots of caste n tey have very little unity in them…………..
October 31st, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Ha..ha…LOL….
How can murderers apologize for murder?
It will be the joke of the century when the ex Nazi pope who was a fan of Hitler, the christian who commited the genocide on Jews…apologize for killing one Hindu sanyasi…
October 31st, 2008 at 1:33 pm
nice intellectual discourse going on here.. LOl. Between Bhat and Kamath. kamath I read your halfbaked answers.. like You close the door, hmm.. how intelligent. No wonder you were fired from your journalistic office. Use the word”pseudosecular” and ‘dogma” in every other sentence.
BTW when did you come to know of the Bamiyan Budha? to start blaming Budhisms’s demise in India?
You are saying Hindusim is so open and it is all “vasudeva kudumbakam” then why are you trying to destroy other faiths? OK, so it is all good since someone does not steal away your people. If you were so universalistic, there is a lot of cross denominational conversions in Christianity by the newer churches. Do you think the old church will go and kill them? Truth is that this is not 15th century. People are aware of their own freedom of expression.
See you have been “threatening ” about revealing the skeletons and “true definition” of Hinduism. Sounds very childish. No matter what definition you “create”, I am an Indian and lived among Hindus and know very well what Hinduism is. For the masses it is the belief in stone or concrete idols that they will bring money or some blessing. They take these idols and even go around the town as procession. Then there is ceremonial worship of these idols by the Brahmin. Nobody around me ever told me that we are really praying to the Parambrham the supreme god thrrough these idols. People don’t really believe in Advaita either. . if they did they will not be killing and raping as you see now.
Your Brahminic Hinduism failed to impart the truth to the real masses. There is a reason for that. It all worked so good for the Brahmins and the kings and some feudal lords. Now Modernity is kicking your behind to make changes you are trying to revise everything.
and Budhism, our founding fathers wanted to make sure that Budhism is counted as one of the Hindu based faiths, so they taught us this perversion that Budhism is some kind of improved for of Hinusim. No , that is not right. They are entirely differnt as per Budhist monks. Budhists are not really looking to join the Parabrahma as Hindus do. Hindu definition of Dharma s not same as Brahminisic Dharma. After Vedic culture, there was a wave of more popular Sravanism from which Jainism and Budhism originated. Budhist philosophy is one of a kind of in that Budha realized that attaining Brahma is inadequate to the basic issue of issue of human sorrow. As per Budha ,ther is no truely existent “ultimate reality?paramartta satta’, but we only thnk there is one… parikalpita. Iam not for or aginst. But thatis the difference. So how could you say Budhismis aprt of Hidnusism?
October 31st, 2008 at 1:41 pm
>>>Cabinet clears bill for education to become fundamental right >>
This is exactly what Catholic Jesuits were talking about, 200 years ago.. Right to Education & Liberation.. And they are reaping the fruits now.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Education_to_become_fundamental_right/articleshow/3659677.cms
Achayan>>How can murderers apologize for murder?>>
Dont you think its a good quality , which gives the man a chance to correct himself and lead a good life in the future.. Out first objective is to realize our mistakes and wrong doings.. This where the concept of KARMA contradicts..
October 31st, 2008 at 1:45 pm
@ Sapr33 and Emmarcee,
Both of you are imaginging and creating Hinduism in your own light.
Hinduism is a generic term for all the faiths and religious practices that have its origin in Hindusthan. In a larger sense, a Hindu is a person who is not a Muslim, Christian, Parsi or Jew. That means a Hindu is a person who follows his own faith without troubling others.
October 31st, 2008 at 1:46 pm
@ Sapr33,
Another dogma. It is not incumbent on the Hindus to beleive in the law of karma.
The law of karma is just one of the many theories in Hinduism.
October 31st, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Emmarcee said it right…
Bajrangis/RSS desperately wants to appropiate and amortize
Buddhism..
And, we need to check this out with Buddhists.. They would only make hinduism a laughing stuff, esp Veda’s and Upanishads.
The problem with hinduism is , it could not even tally with the philosphical/moral/theological thoughts of Buddhism.. Yeh, it wants to get identified with Hinoostans and indian gods version.. Sadest part is, its getting submerged in to Political India, without realizing the fact, that, India is gone far ahead towards Democracy..The biggest democracy in the world.. I wish hinduism appropritates again the democracy.. If it does so, it will have its own foot on mouth situation, which Islamists also warn about it.. Thats the confusion for any average hindu..
October 31st, 2008 at 1:55 pm
The Emmarcee dogma
Dogma: You are saying Hindusim is so open and it is all “vasudeva kudumbakam” then why are you trying to destroy other faiths?
Reality: I am not trying to destroy other’s faith. Religoius diversity is the mainstay of Hinduism. It is the exclusivist Islamic and Christian concepts of Dar-ul-Islam and Evangelical world that is the real threat to world peace.
Dogma: See you have been “threatening ” about revealing the skeletons and “true definition” of Hinduism. Sounds very childish.
Reality: Well, if you paraded your childish definitions of Hinduism, so can I?
Dogma: No matter what definition you “create”, I am an Indian and lived among Hindus and know very well what Hinduism is.
Reality: Hinduism is a way of life that is quite personalised. Have your read all the 84 schools of thoughts in Hinduism. Do you know the difference between dwaita, adwaita, vishistadwaita, Charvaka siddantha, Asthavakra Gita, Upanishads, Gaudiya darshan et al?
Dogma: For the masses it is the belief in stone or concrete idols that they will bring money or some blessing. They take these idols and even go around the town as procession.
Reality: That means you have only seen the masses. You have not seen the classes.
Dogma: Then there is ceremonial worship of these idols by the Brahmin. Nobody around me ever told me that we are really praying to the Parambrham the supreme god thrrough these idols. People don’t really believe in Advaita either. .
Reality: It requires intellectual and spiritual calibre which is in short supply.
Dogma: if they did they will not be killing and raping as you see now.
Reality: Killing and raping — Nice pseudosecular propaganda. Don’t fool me.
Dogma: Your Brahminic Hinduism failed to impart the truth to the real masses.
Reality: Masses is a Communist terminology. Did you know that Communism is a heresy against Christianity. Did you know that the term Brahminical Hinduism is also a missiionary import?
Dogma: There is a reason for that. It all worked so good for the Brahmins and the kings and some feudal lords. Now Modernity is kicking your behind to make changes you are trying to revise everything.
Reality: Old Commie combination. Try something new. FYI, we Hindus really suffered under Islamists/Colonial/Christian/Left rule for the past 1,000 years.
Regarding Buddhism, it is very much a part of Hinduism because it has its origin in India/Hindusthan.
October 31st, 2008 at 1:58 pm
The Sapr33 dogma
Dogma: Bajrangis/RSS desperately wants to appropiate and amortize Buddhism..
Reality: Even the Dalai Lama acknowledged the HIndu roots of Buddhism.
Dogma: And, we need to check this out with Buddhists.. They would only make hinduism a laughing stuff, esp Veda’s and Upanishads.
Reality: The missionaries tried to make Hinduism a laughing stock but did not succeed.
Dogma: The problem with hinduism is , it could not even tally with the philosphical/moral/theological thoughts of Buddhism..
Reality: Have you gone through 84 philosophies of Hinduism before making this loaded statement?
Dogma: Yeh, it wants to get identified with Hinoostans and indian gods version.. Sadest part is, its getting submerged in to Political India, without realizing the fact, that, India is gone far ahead towards Democracy..The biggest democracy in the world.. I wish hinduism appropritates again the democracy.. If it does so, it will have its own foot on mouth situation, which Islamists also warn about it.. Thats the confusion for any average hindu..
Reality: Hinduism is a truly democratic religion which respects religous and cultural diversity unlike Islam and Christiantiy which are one-point cults.
October 31st, 2008 at 2:01 pm
@ Achayan,
I knew it fully well that murderers cannot apologise for murder. They should be punished for it.
October 31st, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Dogmas again, I will have to say Dog Maa… hmm I am not going to cut and paste for debate.. too lazy..
Your post is just an example of Hindu Pandits fool spiritual seekers all the time. If you have 80 book it is not my problem. Have you gone through all these puramas written in different centuries to come to some final revelation? Final Truth cannot be multifaced Hijada. These are all books written in different palces for different purposes. Any kind of book written for spititual purpose should have a long running streak of truth in that. In Hindu Puranas this truth is lacking and it is supplanted by myths in an attempt to impose the genetic superiority of the Brahmin. (Head of Brahma)
Charvaks was the atheist? how can you say that he is a Hindu Believer? I will rather say a NoN Believer. Sanakra from 7th century was a scholar who lived after the birth of Islam. How could you say that his teaching is the right one? and you say your common Hindus are fools who cannot understand this. You have the typical Brahmin attitude, don’t you? Only you can understand the final truth but commoners should n’t? Did you Brahmins try to tell people the truth ever that only God is true and everybody else is a Mythia? well you will not, why ? then it will mean that you are not really better than the Sudra who world in your field? Well You guys tried to cover up the hole with darkness… and you are falling in that.
and you said the “classes” ,,, I will say that it means Upper caste Brahmins who only will understand this truth? How pathetic, you are deluded.
Communism concept is not that much in contrast to Christinity. Only thing is that Marx said religion is Opium and tried to get people off th eover influence of religion. May be we need a Marxian view in India too, so that we can save the masses from religious fanatics.
October 31st, 2008 at 2:16 pm
so in that case define Hindu again? please. .. everybody born in India, right? so why are you killing this Hindus who follow a new faith? they are also Hindus.. we all are..
October 31st, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Deepak playing as Achayan and Deepak.. the chimera.
October 31st, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Raping nun by bujrang dal, rss? ?????????
Any man who have faith in good , cant do this……a rapist cant be religious man.
Any kind of crime on the name of religion is not aceptable. but the riot in orrisa was the result of the anger of their local public, Swami was popular in that area, and his barbic killing put fire in the heart of local resident.
Are christen are not inocent? they have agenda to convert peoples, their target is poor peoples and by defaming hindu relgion and veda they do their preaching work.
In europe peoples dont have much trust in god and this christenity now, thats why many are athiest and many are converting their religion, many from the west came under the umberala of hindunism. ISKON, MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI, OSHO are succesful in west, due to the strong concept of veda and indian philosphy, but in india these christen organisation are trying to buying poor peoples on the name of job, money and by spreading rummor about hindu religion holy books.
Cast system is a social evil in indian socity, but not supported by Gita and veda. Same like in christen country there too much open sex, naked women and very less social value, but we know that bible do not support that, but still these things are their.
October 31st, 2008 at 2:57 pm
we are going round and round. Gita is not as ancient as you claim it to be and it is just a discourse. If these yogis were such saints why did n’t they work among the poor here. well, who needs the poor, right? Why do we always fall for the propaganda that Missionaries entice people with money , job etc? This happend mainly at the time of British missionaries. Not that anything bad happened to Hindus, but they were just “jealous” that these newly converted backward people getting treated good and getting educated. Another important is that British aristocratic ruling people were not encouraging these missonaries. Missions had to fight with British govt everytime they had to send missionaries to India. The only thing British colonialists wanted was money and trade. Suck up india. They used the Indian Class system to run their machinery, can’t you see that? they did not care about Christians.. If they did, there will be more than 2 percent Christians in India after more than 200 years of British rule.
The current missionary programs really don’t have that kind of backing because of course they are very disadvantaged. It is of disadvanatgeous for the Dalit to convert because he will lose his reservation quota. The new schools and churches are just shantis/ kachaa houses. They may be getting help from the international christian community. But atleast they are not receieving it to start a Jihad, but for missionary work. This kind of grass root work has been a part of missionary work from the earliest time. They are not living a lif eof luxury. You probabaly saw the slain missionary Staines? how he lived?. Only people who are really motivated come for such missions. Do you care enough to work among tribals? bringing education? medical help?
See don’t tell me that this is because you are “stealing their souls!” I will say grow up and get help.
October 31st, 2008 at 3:22 pm
and finally once gain this Saraswati - was not a saint. He is the same Bajrangi leader who will go and forcefully reconvert the tribals. Do you think that was the ascetic path? I will say Asura path.
Have a nice weekend.
October 31st, 2008 at 3:23 pm
“Cast system is a social evil in indian socity, but not supported by Gita and veda. Same like in christen country there too much open sex, naked women and very less social value, but we know that bible do not support that, but still these things are their.”
naked women — show me one.. this was hillarious.
October 31st, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Hey guys, I have 84 type philosphies for sale in my store.. come and take whatever you want.. just put some money into the VHP box.
October 31st, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Hinduism is a truly democratic religion which respects religous and cultural diversity unlike Islam and Christiantiy which are one-point cults.
Is that so? so stop this hate website.
October 31st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
seems like atleast Kamath has realized that Sanatana Dharma?puranic/vedic Hinduism is not same as Budhism. Can we get an agreement here?
October 31st, 2008 at 3:31 pm
In a larger sense, a Hindu is a person who is not a Muslim, Christian, Parsi or Jew
will have to say EFF u!
Bye
October 31st, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Deepak Kamat To Emmarcee>>I am not trying to destroy other’s faith. Religoius diversity is the mainstay of Hinduism>>
Thats the problem of Hinduism.. You dont respect the human life,but respect a dogma/philosophy..And here I am question it other way, while respection the persons of other faith..For eg, I will question tooth and nail about the unholy acts of hindoo gods,but will never abuse a hindu/moslem/buddhist as a human being..Cos I believe,though they were all unbelievers, but I still find God’s image in them..Thats what Christianity is all about… Religious diveresity!! Shall we talk about Integreation of religions?
>>Do you know the difference between dwaita, adwaita, vishistadwaita, Charvaka siddantha, Asthavakra Gita, Upanishads, Gaudiya darshan et al?>>
Were they available in Amazon.com? You Brahmins(you admitted too) never wanted the 97% hindus to study it.. How can you expect? Keep it within yourself.. And the British concept of Democracy is all out to corner your selfish/racist idology.
>>It requires intellectual and spiritual calibre which is in short supply>>
B>Atleast, can Hindoo philosphy answer to Plato/Aristotle’s questions? Can it find an answer to Euthyphro’s dilemma, other than ending a debate with “Way off life & MAYA”..
>>Stop Iskon from spreading Hindu perversion in Christian countries>>
Emmarcee, they are just beggers, and you should allow them to make their living, by selling Krishna Leela books. They flock most of the Airports and Railwaystations by nagging you “Gimme a Dollar”.. They are just harmless worms..Poor beggers
>>>we Hindus really suffered under Islamists/Colonial/Christian/Left rule for the past 1,000 years>>
Its because according to your Varna/Manusmriti, hindoos permitted only the 5% Kshatriya to fight on war, and you pushed out the 70% dalit backwards out of the society..In this juncture,how can you win against an invading army, other than, surrendering the whole lot of hindoos to the invaders.. Its your problem, dont blame it on Moguls/Brits.. You stopped the dravidians from sailing across the sea by a Brahminic edict, but you failed to understand, the whole lot of Brit/Portuguese conquered india by the same sea route, which was once mastered by dravidians
October 31st, 2008 at 3:43 pm
SPINELESS REPLIES BY DEEPAK KAMAT TO EMRACEE
Deepak Kamat
October 31st, 2008 at 1:55 pm
The Emmarcee to deepak kamat
1.”You are saying Hindusim is so open and it is all “vasudeva kudumbakam” then why are you trying to destroy other faiths?”
Deepak Dogma: I am not trying to destroy other’s faith. Religoius diversity is the mainstay of Hinduism. It is the exclusivist Islamic and Christian concepts of Dar-ul-Islam and Evangelical world that is the real threat to world peace.
REALITY:
Mr. Emracee, to know deepak’s anwer for this question you have to see his mental status first. (He is taking the shelter of hinduism to cover his personal weaknesses which everyone has come to know by now).No one will believe when he says he is not destroying other faiths because anyone with sane mind can easily understand what he actually is (though he pretends like warrior.)he is like a camilion , saying one thing and doing exactly the opposit. (though he calls others “pseudo”, one can really see who the real pseudo is here.)
And religious diversity of hinduism was true only till these fanatics took the reign of hinduism and are destroying it forever .Forget about internationalism it wouldn’t even live upto another generation ,in india itself if it continues to be reigned by these idiots.
More over ,you have not understood deepak kamat’s meaning of kudumbakam. it is world as one family with only bhajrangis in it.
2.EMRACEE”:” See you have been “threatening ” about revealing the skeletons and “true definition” of Hinduism. Sounds very childish.”
Deepak kamat Dog ma: : Well, if you paraded your childish definitions of Hinduism, so can I?
Reality : The self proclaimed ex-journalist sacked for poor english and useless writing isn’t childish but a joker indeed. He must have mugged the true defination of hinduism but fails to practice it because a frustrated mind cannot see god only hatred.
3.Emracee: “No matter what definition you “create”, I am an Indian and lived among Hindus and know very well what Hinduism is.”
deepak dogma: Hinduism is a way of life that is quite personalised. Have your read all the 84 schools of thoughts in Hinduism. Do you know the difference between dwaita, adwaita, vishistadwaita, Charvaka siddantha, Asthavakra Gita, Upanishads, Gaudiya darshan et al?
Reality : Here one person is claiming his practical living experience with hindu dominated society and the other boasts his knowledge of being learned in scriptures. One may become a scholar but to experience god one needs love in the heart which this idiot does’nt have..
4.Emracee:” For the masses it is the belief in stone or concrete idols that they will bring money or some blessing. They take these idols and even go around the town as procession.”
Deepak dogma: That means you have only seen the masses. You have not seen the classes.
Reality: classes and masses are communist terms. In time of need gadhe ko bhi baap banaletha hai. Joke apart,
he knows it is foolish for him to argue that point because the classes he meant are goud saraswats which he belongs are no different.
5.Emracee:” Then there is ceremonial worship of these idols by the Brahmin. Nobody around me ever told me that we are really praying to the Parambrham the supreme god thrrough these idols. People don’t really believe in Advaita either. “.
Deepak Dogma: It requires intellectual and spiritual calibre which is in short supply.
Reality : He means to say that god is only for learned and intelligent and not for the ignorant. He has forgotton that all are not allowed to reach that calibre and intelligence by us brahmins.
6.Emracee:” if they did they will not be killing and raping as you see now.”
Deepak Dogma: Killing and raping — Nice pseudosecular propaganda. Don’t fool me.
Reality: by now every one knows what bhajrangis are. the killing rapes of thousands at their hands in gujarath, orissa and karnataka are news for him. Those opposing him are pseudosecular propaganda and he thinks he can fool the world.
7.Emracee ” Your Brahminic Hinduism failed to impart the truth to the real masses.”
Deepak Dogma:: Masses is a Communist terminology. Did you know that Communism is a heresy against Christianity. Did you know that the term Brahminical Hinduism is also a missiionary import?
Reality : he has forgotton he himself has used the term masses and now pointing you that it is communist term. Now every one knows who pseuodo is. Instead of accepting that hinduism by us brahmins have failed to impart truth to common people he is trying to play with words.
8.Emracee: “There is a reason for that. It all worked so good for the Brahmins and the kings and some feudal lords. Now Modernity is kicking your behind to make changes you are trying to revise everything.”
deepak kumar dogma: Old Commie combination. Try something new. FYI, we Hindus really suffered under Islamists/Colonial/Christian/Left rule for the past 1,000 years.
Reality: brahmins connieving with the british is no hidden secret over and again. Infact and everything was ok till sonia gandhi’s entry to politics. But it is also a fact that infighting for petty interests were the cause for islam/colonial/british rule for 1000 years.
Deepak Dogma”Regarding Buddhism, it is very much a part of Hinduism because it has its origin in India/Hindusthan. ”
Reality:budhism has to be content that it was in india it had originated and besides that nothing common between the two faiths.
THAT IS TO EXOPSE THE PSEUDO DEEPAK KAMAT WHO TRY TO PLAY WITH WORDS THAN EXPLAINING HIS POSITION. WHEN HE IS EXHAUSTED WITH OPTIONS RUNS AWAY FROM THE FIELD TO STUDY HOW TO ANSWER THEM. JOKER INDEED.
October 31st, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Who is Fooling Whom?
MV Kamath
Francis Gautier is a French journalist, born in a conservative Catholic family but is an ardent admirer of India. To the best of one’s knowledge, he is independent-minded and does not belong to any party or group, be it the Bajrang Dal, the VHP, the RSS or even the BJP. Which is why an article he wrote for The New Indian Express (October 6, 2008) should command attention.
Gautier was analysing the situation in Karnataka and the reason why there was a spurt of anger against missionaries in Kanara. To quote him: “Newlife, one important western-funded missionary centre (http:/www.newlifeforce.org) began making conversions in and around Mangalore by accosting poor people… befriending them and then taking them to churches to introduce them to the Father. Upon introduction, they were paid Rs 2,500 per person and then taken to the Velankanni Shrine in Tamil Nadu, where they would get another Rs 3,000. When they finally got converted by changing their name, they got an incentive of Rs 10,000 onwards. Newlife would then give them instructions to abandon wearing the tilak on forehead, replace photos and figures of Hindu gods and goddesses with a cross etc.’’
Gautier then presented a picture of how Hindu gods were denigrated and how missionaries — there are apparently more than 4,000 foreign Christian missionaries in India — brainwashed the poor. It is a revealing article.
But where do the missionaries get their money from and how much do they get? Available information lends credence to public apprehensions. Thus it is noted that in the year 2005-2006, three metropolitan cities, Chennai, Bangalore and Mumbai, received Rs 753.08 crore, Rs 464.09 crore and Rs 440.04 crore respectively — all from foreign sources.
Ananthpur district received Rs 288.01 crore and Hyderabad-Secunderabad Rs 236.08 crore. Apparently, Andhra Pradesh which has a Christian Chief Minister has consistently been one of the three States to receive such mind-boggling foreign aid.
Christian leaders smilingly point that under the Constitution, propagation of religion is legally permissible. But what the Vatican and the various protestant organizations are seeking is not so much the spread of Christian faith as much as extension of the power of the Church to undermine the cultural unity of India and break up the nation — a trick that must be exposed by all patriotic Indians. May it be remembered that when Pope John Paul II visited India (he had been barred from China), he made the point in a public statement that in the first millennium it was Europe that was converted, in the second it was Africa, and henceforth it would be Asia’s turn. It was a slap in the face of India, a predominantly Hindu country, but quiet was maintained because Hindus with a greater culture believed in the ancient dictum: atithi deva bhava — a guest should be treated as God. Pope John could not care less, if he hurt Indian sentiments by his indiscreet comments.
The issue today is not conversion to another faith. Rather it is the deliberate move to break up India. Conversion inevitably destroys a local culture and is fundamentally subversive in content. Conversion, especially in tribal areas, leads to demographic disturbances which in turn lead to resentment. Resentment leads to violence. We condemn violence without trying to seek the reason behind it because it does not serve the interests of our secularists.
Kandhmal is an excellent example of this subversion. In 1961 the Christian population there was just under two per cent. In 1971 this rose three times to six per cent. Thirty years later, in 2001, the Christian population rose to 27 per cent. The cleavage between Christian and non-Christian tribes has widened to such an extent that it has been a cause of social antagonism and killings. Banning the Bajrang Dal would not solve the problem. It would only add to tensions, not only in Orissa but right across the country.
Christianity came to India even before it spread to Europe and it was accepted ungrudgingly. If today Christian efforts at conversion are strongly opposed it is because the loyalty of converts is turned towards Rome or to protestant evangelical centres. There is clear evidence which confirms that Christian organizations are backing terrorism and separatist movements in India’s Northeast. The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) was founded in 1989, and since its inception, the NLFT has been engaged in an armed struggle to carve out a separate Christian nation of Tripura. The Baptist Church is known to back it. Christians entered Nagaland and Mizoram in the last quarter of the 19th century and this has led to the transformation of an entire culture which could lead to the isolation of an entire State from mainstream India with dire consequences.
The Protestant Church is working havoc in India while the Union Government wilfully turns its head away. In a short time we are going to have another Kashmir in the Northeast, thanks to the indifference of Sonia Gandhi-dominated Congress.
T he first step to prevent further
deterioration of the situation is
not banning the Bajrang Dal but deporting all foreign missionaries and confiscating funds sent from abroad to undermine the essential unity of India. The sinister plan of the evangelists has to be exposed. The issue is not religion; it is foreign dominance through not-too-subtle means. Under the protection of the Constitution foreign sources are determined to undermine the basic cultural structure of India, which is impermissible. They should be summarily thrown out.
The tribals of Orissa did not invite the evangelists; it is the evangelist who is imposing himself on the tribals under the protection of the Constitution. We are hung by our own petard.
Australia’s Prime Minister John Howard has asked Australian Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia to leave the country. Pakistan does not permit conversion. Nor do so many other nations. There is no reason why India should suffer evangelists. The only way to stop the predatory ways of missionaries is to throw them out, bag and baggage.
What is at stake in India is not Christianity as a faith but Christianity as a political weapon to take over India by means foul. The opposition is not to a religion but to a calculating Church which is practising a silent invasion under the very umbrella of a Constitution. The UPA government — and in the end India itself — is being taken for a ride. India’s decency is being exploited fully and there must be laughter in various evangelist centres at India’s stupidity. Meanwhile, the public should demand a white paper on the evangelist invasion of India so that the truth is out.
To practise a faith, do converts need money from abroad? Who is fooling whom?
The Sentinel, Guwahati, 31 October 2008
http://www.sentinelassam.com/
October 31st, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Bharat
October 31st, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Who is Fooling Whom?
“Francis Gautier is a French journalist, born in a conservative Catholic family but is an ardent admirer of India. To the best of one’s knowledge, he is independent-minded and does not belong to any party or group”
M V kamat needs no introduction of being a staunch sangh parivar journo. If francis gautier ?(if not he is the creation by MVKamat) need not give his introduction that he is from a conservative catholic family and all that. if he is so famous and regular writer of columns reliable people would believe him without his intro.right?. that apart, i would like to tell what he actually is.
He says the the reason for attacks are newlife literatures and murder of swami saraswati both are false which shows who this francis gautier stuff is.
Now it has been proved that the killers of swami are maoists.
Secondly the truth of mangalore literature is also been exposed on ndtv.
If the new life group had printed abjectionable propaganda material it has to be taken to the court. But, in the literatures that were obtained from the newlife church by NDTV journalist Mr.srinivasan jain who read it to camera said there was nothing objectionable in it.
If the original sathyadarshini didnot depict hindu gods in bad light as claimed by bhajrangdal how did the copy by bhajrangdal had it? The thing that they didnot give the same to police shows how real it is. from the original they got they have edited the matter which suits them and have used them to incite attack against christians.
Christians have become a soft target because they do not retaliate. For your information New life group is not a catholic group (they are evangelicals) which ultimately takes its people to velankanni which is a catholic basilica. This itself shows that he has not understood the issue and he is totally biased in expressing his pro Hindutva view. (new life people donot believe in mothermary).
Whatever the argument based on these fallacy cannot hold the ground right?
October 31st, 2008 at 4:59 pm
kevin pais
October 31st, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Bharat
October 31st, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Who is Fooling Whom?
“Francis Gautier is a French journalist, born in a conservative Catholic family but is an ardent admirer of India. To the best of one’s knowledge, he is independent-minded and does not belong to any party or group”
he is a french boy who came to india when he was 19 years old and became journalist in india; greatly influenced by hinduism and he has bought rss doctrine as gospel truth. No doubt he speaks their language with their statistcs and facts. To use him for their hate campain is of no use.
October 31st, 2008 at 5:41 pm
THE SAME FRANCIS GAUTIER SAYS IN ONE OF HIS BLOGS ABOUT SONIA GANDHI
“the question must be asked: how is it possible that a nation of a billion people, with some of the best minds of this planet, allows itself to be governed by a western , non Hindu lady, who however sincere she is, is actively overseeing the dismantling of whatever is good and true in India.”
He says non-hindu lady, not non indian, which shows how much this guy loves his wife and how much she has influence on him.
October 31st, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Atrocities on Hindus by missionaries in Goa–I
http://newstodaynet.com/col.php?section=20&catid=33&id=10290
October 31st, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Thanks mr. Pai, I envy your language!
November 1st, 2008 at 1:18 am
Deepak_Kamat>>Hinduism is a truly democratic religion which respects religous and cultural diversity unlike Islam and Christiantiy which are one-point cults>>
Cultural diversity is a socio-geographical subject and is nothing to do with religion. Spaniards/Italian/Indian/African Christians do have their own cultures. If you think,Sati/ban widow remarriage/Polygamy/Casteism/retaliation/ attributing suffering to Karma, etc, as part of a diverse Culture, then Christs teachings may not approve that,and you may find me taking a different stand.
If you disagree with me on this, please come out and explain…what diversity of culture you find in Indian-Hindus Vs Indian-christian? Lets discuss on that?
And you should be ashamed to declare Hinduism is democratic…Its a concept introduced by Brits and forced in to the throats of Indians. Do you know that, during 1940, RSS was asking for Theocratic India ruled by Swamiji’s..
Btw,Let me know some reference from hindu scriptures/History of India, which supports your view on Hindu Democracy? You deprived education to the Non-Brahmins for last 2000 years..Is that a democratic view?
Deepak, you make lot of suicidal/nose dive arguments.. And the latest one is, your claim of Hinduism-Democracy. Though Democracy existed in 400BC in Greet, it was implemented strongly in after the 17th Century, influenced by the theology derived from Christ’s teaching esp, towards Human Diginity-Rights.
November 1st, 2008 at 1:19 am
sapr333,
SAPR333:”To be frank, with a human approach, I would only prefer ‘One World’ than a Hindustan.”
Reality: cristian missionary preaching and trying to divide nation (north east india) by very word of religion. why should bloody cristian try to divide any indian going any country creating chaos over there. Let me say that one priest cristian by name sebastian who was just taking to me while i was travelling in train.. i also express some good thing about cristianity b cos i express good thing, he approach and started preaching me and started abusing hindusm, then i put across question for which he cant answer finally ask for time to answer… so for he is not in a position to answer from sevent day advechist..
November 1st, 2008 at 1:30 am
SAPR333 :”Though Democracy existed in 400BC in Greet, it was implemented strongly in after the 17th Century, influenced by the theology derived from Christ’s teaching esp, towards Human Diginity-Rights”.
Answer me bloody chirst teach slave’s allowed also it allow slave wife can be raped in front of husband…
What happened to black people is that democracy that of cristian created you mean that bloody..cristian still not trying understand indian culture… where in the world rich culture still exist.. tell me honestly indian cristian like to adopt which culture indian or cristian culture… YOu know evolution of religion based on culture dont forget that.. tell me you dont still understand of mind bloody cristiayanagee is based on world pleasue ..sex..money.. enjoy of life even after death also want of same with same soul… what sheet idealogy.. no sort of science there bloody how can they teach mindly educated indian …
November 1st, 2008 at 2:28 am
Easwar-Tech>>cristian missionary preaching and trying to divide nation (north east india) by very word of religion
I was not talking about Unifying all the countries. Possibly, India should merge with a single country called Asia(like E.U),and soon we all should look for One World..Then they would not be any wars..Isnt it.. Im not sure if you have heard of John Lennon’s song IMAGINE. I do not support killing another country men, just for the sake of Patriotism and protecting borders. I really dont buy George Bush too
btw, can you post me the question here, which the missionary failed to answer? Appreciate if you could debate with me on that topic.
>>Answer me bloody chirst teach slave’s allowed also it allow slave wife can be raped in front of husband>>
Ahanh!! Let me know where in Bible Jesus Christ said this? All I know is Jesus Christ’s teaching commands the highest moral standards revealed by God 2000 years ago.. Im curious..
PS: I wont get tensed up by you calling Bloody Jc.. I wont retaliate ilke a Bajrangi.. Father forgive them, for they not know what wrong they are doin..
>>tell me honestly indian cristian like to adopt which culture indian or cristian culture>>
Rather, you tell me, what are the differences between the cultures of Indian Christian Vs Hindu? Or let me ask you this way..Can you ask all the Hindus to discard Trousers and move to Dhothi? Stop eating Cakes & Bread? .
>>What happened to black people is that democracy that of cristian created you mean that bloody>>
B>Dont you know the people who fought for Blacks were all White Christian..Havent you heard about the full page advt issued in 50’s about the Christian Liberation Theology, proving that, Black oppression is wrong according to the teachings of Jesus christ…
Let me ask you, what single line of Vedic advice you give it to a Brahmin who denies entry of dalit in puri temple? Please attempt. This is where Jesus Christ’s teaching stand tall..
November 1st, 2008 at 2:54 am
Some of the changes happened in India, in this century..Do you blame it on christians or call it as a process of evolution.
Music - No viewers for DD’s carnatic-People are paying to watch MTV/Channel V.
Dance : Barathanatiam extinct, Salsa & Hiphop
Drama and theater : Hollywood & HBO rules
Painting : Modern art sells
Sculpture : No one is sculpting hindu gods.
Architecture : How many of us use temple archt in our own house.
Recreation and sports: Interested in British Cricket.
Clothing: Man in dhoti cant enter star hotels and is not allowed in office
Cuisine: KFC,Pepsi,McDonalds. A municipality in Kerala even bans plantain leaf dining.
November 1st, 2008 at 7:49 am
Dont dream evil movement will come to india never.
I know mostly indian cristian only sending their childrean to all rok discothic dances and allowing children to go freely to all cinima hotel kfc, allowing children to see all mtv ftv etc,
We indian mostly dont allow above things there may be 3 to 5 % who goes dont blame entire. you want us to become a evil comunity what is this …
We never like our dauter / sister / brother to become evil comunity.. You know what happened to eruop/usa yougster become mad.. you want to make our yougeter to eruop cristian cumunity level … sheet… forget no indian fater like our children to become evil mind thinking people…
sorry we dontttttttt like … Still you have got all right to make your children… We are sorry dont expect please.. pleaseee..
November 1st, 2008 at 10:00 am
easwar, please change that name. You are a f-ing rascal , a goonda who will rape a girl if given chance in the name of religion. YUO know what is the differecne between us and your. You hate the person who is not buying into your way and we hate the philosophy of cheating and hating.
So keep on spreading the stupidity of “discotheque”, keep your sister to yourself.
November 1st, 2008 at 10:02 am
Listen stupido, what nation are we talking about? The nation called Republic of Inida will remain secular and multicultural. If you don’t want that, well, that will be the end of this Inida as we see now. This will be only because everybody wants to leave peacefully and make their own choices.
November 1st, 2008 at 10:03 am
May be there was a reason why Jinna wanted a separate Nation for Muslims, and Gandhi also understood that at the end. Jus imagine how bad it will be if all the Muslims and Hindus were having a civil war!!
November 1st,