ADVICE TO INDIAN ENGLISH MEDIA
Don’t dunk your head in sand like an ostrich. Everybody knows your anti-Hindu nature.
1. First and foremost, stop thinking of yourself as “enlightened”. You are also born of woman. You are also no different from the man on the street. In fact, in Swami Vivekananda’s words, you are no less then parasites and traitors who having been brought up at the countrymen’s expense pay the least heed to them.
2. Learn to respect the virtues of Hinduism. Also make it a point to learn Sanskrit. If you don’t know Sanskrit, you can never appreciate the beauty of Hinduism. Remember, it is not just a question of language. It is a question of a paradigm shift.
3. Learn to cultivate intellectual honesty.
4. Don’t be one-sided.
5. When a Hindu is caught in criminal activities, it is Hindu terrorism. When a Muslim is caught in terrorist activities, terrorists do not have a religion. Stop this hypocrisy. See things as it is. Samasatti.
6. Stop terming Hindus as illiterate barbarians steeped in superstitions. There are Hindus steeped in wisdom too.
7. In your bid to be progressive, also stop a while to look back and appreciate your glorious heritage. And for heaven’s sake, don’t call me a jingoist.
8. Realise that pseudosecularism and communism are dead as a mutton.
9. Hinduism is alive and kicking. Try to find out the secrets of the world’s oldest surviving civilization.
10. Remember, if not for Hinduism, we would have been stuck in the medieval ages with Koran and Bible as our textbooks.
Finally, I am well aware that those who need advice the most listen to it the least. Yes, I know that the anti-Hindu English Media in India is incorrigible. So I am all set for a historical corrective.
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February 5th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Kiran>>I will talk to you only after you read this.>>>
I have read this passage “For Indian evangelical groups, access to American technology meant faster and more secure communication with their patrons. And, of course, the availability of the Bible in local languages, In fact, in today”s India, the Bible is available in almost all languages and dialects. If the translation of the Bible was a symbol of huge transnational exercise, the massive distribution of gospel literature was nothing less than a distribution marvel. In India, a coordinated gospel literature distribution exercise was staged to reach 600,000 villages by the end of 2000.”"”"
Here I go… So whats your problem in translating all Vedas & Upanishads and share it all with the Dalits and sudras… Will Hinduism allow that…Even I wanted to read such books, but not available in book store, except for plenty of ‘Saffron books’.. What stops.. Any shortage of printing technology or newsprint??
Will Brahmins permit it!! Can we chant slokas in local dialect? Just try it, and see what reaction you get it.. It will be the same like Taliban mullahs, who want only Arabic…. You guys are just another Hindu talibans!!! 3 cheers boy
February 5th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
— Hindu talibans
Simon mone,
You are lucky to live in India among Hindus and still spout so much hatred in the name of Jesus dragging my God down. Try doing that among Talibans in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Arabic countries and you WILL BE BEHEADED in no time. Don’t misuse the courtesy of Hindus in India.
February 5th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Simon mone,
RELIGION OF PEACE MEETS RELIGION OF LOVE
THEY ARE MADE FOR EACH OTHER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0roifXCDyA
February 5th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Amy>>>Try doing that among Talibans in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Arabic countries and you WILL BE BEHEADED in no time. Don’t misuse the courtesy of Hindus in India.>>>
Taliban beheads… and hindoo talibans of Gujarath put those who proclaim God in to Jails under anti-conversion law.. I dont find any difference , except for the intensity of sentencement..
Wont you respect religious freedom and human rights ?
Is there any difference between Osama Bin Laden who asks for heads of non-moslems converts and Modi/Advani who wants to put those in jail who pursues their choice of path to God?
Hinduism has gone the Talibanic/Islamic way!!
February 5th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
—I dont find any difference
Simon mone
I did not expect you to find any considering how deranged you are. May be once you are beheaded you will know the difference. Try going to Pak and preach and come back and let me know
February 5th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Amy>>>I did not expect you to find any considering how deranged you are. May be once you are beheaded you will know the difference>>>
HINDOOOO taliban in action!!! Long live Rama Sena & Shiva Sena, RSS… Middle East is not far from India.. Once upon a time, we all shared the same geographical boundaries..
February 5th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
THE ‘TOLERANT’ HINDU AS THE ‘VILLAGE IDIOT’
I have always been intrigued by the idea of the ‘village idiot’ in English literary language. It was not as if the village idiot was abnormal in some way. He was just someone who had been rejected by his own family perhaps because he was ‘slow’ (or so they thought), perhaps because he was different from the ‘normal’. The village idiot, completely at the mercy of the village and helplessly dependent for survival, had no desire for explicit self-identity. Not quite man, not quite beast, he was every kind of animal that the village wanted him to be – from a street dog to a draught animal to a squishy bug which allowed itself to be tormented by the village brats. He was also every man’s voiceless whipping boy. And on the rare occasions when, unable to bear the torment the idiot summoned the spirit to react, or miracle of miracles, put up a resistance to the abuse, all the village as one, thrashed him till his spirit was broken. The village could not afford to have the spirit of defiance flickering even weakly within the village idiot’s heart. The people of the village needed the village idiot as an outlet for their own baser, uncivilised instincts. The village had to perforce abuse him physically and mentally to make sure the village idiot never felt the desire or acquired the capacity to become ‘self’ conscious.
The Hindus of post independent India find themselves in a position similar to that of the village idiot. We have an acquired image, an image given to us and enforced by the Indian political and intellectual class to sustain the myth of communal harmony and to sustain the modern face of this country – composite-cultural, multi-national, pluralist, secular democracy. If these images, a combination of falsehoods and partial truths have to be sustained then the Hindu has to continue to remain the village idiot with an identity which is not self-realised but cleverly imposed. The Hindu must forever and all times be unflinchingly committed to ‘tolerance’ and ‘ahimsa’ – the two qualities guaranteed to keep Hindus in inaction, in self-destructive pacifism, in smug masochism which delights in its tolerance of abuse and which begs for more.
India is held up by the likes Sonia Gandhi, Syed Shahabuddin and Romilla Thapar as the perfect example of a ‘pluralist democracy’, of communal harmony where Hindus live peaceably with the world’s second largest population of Muslims. Now this is a self-serving and palpably false image because communal harmony is maintained as long as the Hindus do not react to Muslim intractability and Christian and Muslim stubborn refusal to respect Hindu sensibilities. Communal harmony rests on Hindu inaction, on the Hindu remaining the village idiot. But whenever the Hindu has asserted his self-identity as happened when he reacted to the massacre in Godhra or when he pulled down the mosque standing insolently on Ramjanmabhumi, when he resists religious conversions, or when he protests against a foreigner with neo-colonial ambitions declaring her intention to become the Prime Minister of the country, then the very same people will shout to the world that communal harmony is shattered, India is a hotbed of communal tensions, the social fabric has been torn asunder, minorities are threatened by Hindu fundamentalists, and Hindu extremism is on the ascendancy. The secular politician and the secular anti-Hindu needs the Hindu to be alive for India to wear the mask of secularism and pluralism but they need the Hindu to live as the village idiot to keep up the myth of communal harmony under which guise the Muslims and Christians can perpetuate and re-inforce their religious identity and mandate.
Like the village idiot rejected by his family, Hinduism finds herself in this plight because she has been abandoned by the thinking Hindu who is enamored with western modernism and the atomisation and rootlessness which western modernism brings along with it. The intellectual Hindu with the capacity to resist abuse but whose will to resist has been neutralised by western education, is happy with the ‘tolerant’ epithet because ‘tolerance’ does not compel him to accept responsibility for resistance. Hinduism, for its identity, has been left at the mercy of anti-Hindu or the rootless Hindu thought peddlers in Indian academia and polity; and what is being peddled for popular consumption is facets of Hinduism like ‘ahimsa’ and ‘tolerance’ which are disjointed from Kaala dharma and presented as absolute virtues, as universal tenets.
Some peddlers like R.S.Sharma and Romilla Thapar have defamed Hinduism by projecting a perversion, a mockery of the religion. These thought peddlers had unchallenged control of Indian academia because the Hindu, in a process which was begun by Gandhi ji in the 19th century and culminating in the partition of the country in 1947, had by then been made the village idiot who did not acknowledge, much less resist the abuse and humiliation inflicted on him. And that is why these rascals could get away scot-free for over four decades with the fairy-tale fiction of barbaric Muslim rule of India leaving behind it only the Taj Mahal and Fatehpur Sikhri, Sufism and Bismillah Khan. The village idiot is not supposed to remember Aurangazeb’s bestiality, not supposed to remember the humiliation of the three mosques in Kashi, Mathura and Ayodhya, is not supposed to ask how the land of the Kashmiri pandits became a Muslim majority territory which has evicted the original inhabitants. Above all, the Hindu village idiot is not supposed to hold the Muslims of India guilty for the partition that tore the nation apart.
History text books written by these anti-Hindu peddlers in academia describe our independence movement as being independence only from British colonial rule and end the story of our independence movement with the midnight speech delivered by Nehru. That Gandhi ji’s swarajya was as much to liberate our societies from the influence of Muslim rule has not even been imagined! The details of partition are coyly left unsaid. The village idiot is so benumbed in inaction that these rascals could peddle with impunity the fraudulent and highly divisive Aryan invasion theory, portraying Hinduism as ‘perverted’ brahminism’, (whatever that means) and with depicting even Sikh gurus pejoratively. This was only the very tip of the iceberg. The destruction caused to the Hindu’s identity and to the Hindu social fabric was catastrophic and almost irreversible. Creating the Hindu village idiot was paying the rascals rich dividends by way of effacing this nation’s self-identity.
So let us take the ‘tolerance’ bull-shit first.
When the village idiot fails to resist abuse in the name of tolerance, then Hussein is emboldened to draw Hindu goddesses in the nude, SAHMAT is emboldened to depict Srirama and Sita as brother and sister, thus rendering their relationship incestuous. And if the village idiot tears the exhibition apart in rage, then the entire polity and academic world thrashes the Hindu so violently that the feeble flicker of defiance is snuffed out and we go back to being the soft-headed village idiot all over again. We have white-skins depicting Ganesha on toilet seats, Lakshmi on bikinis, white-skins writing profound ‘fictional’ biographies of Hindu heroes where Shivaji is stated to be born to his mother from an extra-marital relationship, another white-skin ‘scholar’ of Indic studies who declares that the Bhagawad Gita, far from being a holy book, is a book of horror which instigates Hindus to war, and she, hallelujah, is a pacifist and doesn’t think there is any such thing as a ‘good war’!! It also emboldens a Gail Omvedt to dismiss the Vedas as pornography and emboldens N.Ram to declare at a meeting that Hindus are a minority in this country through some perverted, twisted argument which tickled the largely captive audience comprising Marxists and minorities. I am not even going into the details of E.V.Ramaswamy Naickar’s infamous anti-Hindu Dravidian movement in Tamil Nadu. And through all this abuse and humiliation, the Hindu village idiot slumbered in the sunshine of his virtuous big-heartedness which tolerated this abuse, this excruciating pain and mortification.
That is because the village idiot doesn’t think all this merits a fierce resistance. He has been brain-washed into believing that it is his dharma to allow himself to be abused and humiliated. Christians declare that their religion mandates them to convert all nations to their faith and they insist that India is a secular, pluralist democracy and that a democratic country must respect the Geneva Convention which guarantees individuals right to freedom of conscience and religion. The village idiot has also been reduced to such an endemic state of inaction that all anti-Hindu ‘secular’ rascals have even managed to establish that the highest practice of secularism and the most explicit respect for human rights is to guarantee one section of minorities the right to plant the cross cheek-by-jowl of every existing Hindu temple and another section of minorities to indulge in repeated acts of terror against the State and the Hindu community.
The ‘tolerance ‘ of the Hindu village idiot knows no bounds. “The …… leader, ……, warned that non-passage of the Bill would erode the rich culture and heritage of the State and change its ethnic, linguistic, religious and demographic character. (The Hindu, dated 6th June, 2004) Let us assume that the ‘Bill’ in the above mentioned quote is the Anti-conversion Bill or a Bill seeking to regulate the proliferation of churches and mosques. And that the leader in question is Jayalalithaa or Narendra Modi. Now what does the quote mean if de-coded into words of one syllable? That religious conversions altered the demographic character of the state, it eroded and altered the unique ethnicity of the Tamils/Gujaratis (remember in India we have still not established if ethnicity rested on language, religion or physiology), it affected the religious culture of the Tamils and Gujaratis who are basically Hindus and above all that since mushrooming Churches and madarasas eroded the rich Tamil/Gujarati culture and heritage of the people, Jayalalithaa/Modi was considering introducing a Bill which put a moratorium on churches and madarasas. It would also seek to limit the number of mosques and churches in any given locality proportionate to the population of those religionists. Now what kind of editorials do you think N.Ram would have written? Or Shekhar Gupta? What would Shabana Azmi have said, Sonia Gandhi, Laoo Yadav, A.B.Bardhan? What would our secular intellectuals in academia, the writers of the center page in The Hindu have said? What would Soli Sorabjee, Fali Nariman, Rajeev Dhavan, our Rashtrapati have said? No marks for the correct answer!
But this was said by a Muslim political leader of a Muslim majority state in India. This was said by NC leader Omar Abdulla about the passage of the extremely communal, unfair and immoral Permanent Resident (Disqualification) Bill. (The Hindu, 6th June, 2004, Mufti govt. to redraft Permanent Resident Bill) Forget that the Bill was not allowed to be tabled again in the J&K Assembly but what the Hindu village idiot failed to see or hear was that the entire secular brigade in the media and the polity was silent on Omar Abdulla’s assertion that J&K had a unique cultural heritage, a unique ‘not to be diluted’ religious, ethnic, demographic character! India is a colourless, odourless, tasteless pluralist, secular democracy which must permit foreigners to become Prime Ministers, which must allow unchecked immigration of Muslims from Bangladesh, which must allow militant Christian missionaries to alter the demography of the North-East and other pockets in India, which must allow the proliferation of churches and mosques in numbers completely disproportionate to the population of these religionists, which must deface and disfigure the Hindu identity of its majority population but the Muslim majority state must be allowed to protect its unique religious, cultural, demographic heritage!! And this can be asserted by a Muslim political leader unchallenged because the secular brigade has reduced the Hindu to being the village idiot.
The village idiot has no name, has no self-conscious family identity. He is so completely the village idiot that the village has succeeded in totally effacing his self-identity from his conscious mind. The Tamil equivalent of the English ‘village idiot’ is ‘chappani’ which we know is no name but an epithet. The Hindu village idiot finds himself in the same predicament. He has no name! The writer had occasion to listen to a talk delivered by a distinguished retired Indian diplomat a couple of days ago. Paying glowing tributes to Nani Palkhivalla, the diplomat recalled that it was something which Nani said that struck him as being the leit motif of what India’s foreign policy should be. Let me paraphrase. “The most striking feature of India is the Indian ethos to be welcoming. It was the Indian ethos which welcomed the Jew, the Muslim, the Christian, the Parsi – all of whom were fleeing religious persecution in their homelands. We welcomed them, absorbed them into our ethos and gave back to them considerably enriched. And this should be the underlying philosophy of our foreign policy”, he said.
Now this ‘Indian ethos’ baffles me. What pray was this ‘Indian’ ethos before the Christians, Muslims, Jews and Parsis came into this country to make it a multi-religious, multi-cultural country? Did this India have a unique cultural heritage, a unique religious, ethnic, demographic character before she became multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, multi-religious? What ‘India’ was it which welcomed aliens into this land? And as the diplomat pointed out, outside of India, in different parts of the world, at different times, Muslims were persecuting Parsis, Christians were persecuting the Jews, some Muslim sects were being persecuted by other Muslim sects. None of these religions had any history of co-existing with other religions. And yet, this distinguished diplomat could not bring himself to say, and neither could Nani Palkhivalla that if all of these religionists were made to feel welcome it was because it was the village idiot Hindu who was welcoming them. The Indian Christian did not welcome the Jew, the Indian Muslim did not welcome the Parsis. The so-called faceless Indian ethos was the Hindu ethos. And it was because of the Hindu ethos that these refugees who were slaughtering each other outside India were learning to live with each other in this land. I can understand Nani not stating that it was the welcoming, tolerant, big-hearted, generous Hindu who dug his own grave by making some of these barbaric groups welcome; because it was by converting and killing the Hindus that this Hindu nation became a ‘multi-religious, multi-cultural, pluralist’ bull-shit whatever. But even this career diplomat, an intellectual Hindu, could not pronounce the word ‘Hindu’. He made it out to be some abstract ‘Indian’ ethos. The self-forgetful ness of the typical Hindu village idiot. We have forgotten our own name and our self-nature. The Hindu ‘chappani’.
Having shown remarkable big-heartedness in welcoming barbaric, less-civilised alien religions into this land, the Hindu village idiot then showed remarkable ‘tolerance’ as these alien religions threw him out of Kashmir, threw him out of the North-East, slaughtered cows, destroyed his temples, killed or converted his kings, conquered territory and enslaved the very people who had made them welcome into their homes. The Hindu village idiot welcomed the refugee and the invader alike, the trader and the missionary alike. Our tolerance expanded virtuously with every abuse, with every humiliation because Gandhi ji told us that generosity and tolerance to be whole must now be embellished with ‘ahimsa’. So no matter how we are abused and humiliated, we must never give up on ‘ahimsa’. ‘Ahimsa’ is not for the weak, Gandhi ji told us kindly, to make us all feel even more virtuous, it is for the strong. Yeah, right. But of what use is strength if it cannot deter abuse or if it refuses to punish the abuser? And the Hindu village idiot never asked Gandhi ji if ‘ahimsa’ is a practical quality when good lived with evil, when an inclusive civilization was forced to co-exist with exclusive religions. And the idiot also never asked Gandhi ji why his inspiration Sri Rama did not practice the kind of ‘ahimsa’ Gandhi ji was preaching to us and why Sri Rama had to take to arms and wage a bloody war against Ravana. The Hindu idiot also did not dare to question Gandhi ji if perhaps Gandhi ji was not imposing what was undeniably an admirable quality in an individual totally erroneously on an entire people, on an entire community! ‘Ahimsa’ is not a collective virtue, not when we live amidst humans who have no faith in it. But by this time the Hindu village idiot was brain dead and soul dead. He could not be expected to feel all these doubts.
But more to the point, just as unlimited forbearance with abuse and an unlimited capacity to put up with humiliation was enforced upon the village idiot, Gandh ji’s ‘ahimsa’ and forbearance was imposed only upon the Hindu village idiot. How come the Muslims did not imbibe Gandhiji’s ‘ahimsa’ or the Christians imbibe Gandhi ji’s abhorrence for religious conversion? The Hindu village idiot has never challenged these communities upon their selective adaptation of Gandhian values and virtues. Because the Hindu village idiot was still basking in the light of his own virtuous ‘tolerance’ and ‘ahimsa’. But the spirit of defiance did flicker in the Hindu in 1992. The flicker fanned into a flame and the Hindu village idiot in a fit of rage brought down the mosque in Ayodhya. It also fanned into a raging fire when a Muslim murderous mob burnt alive Hindu men, women and children in a train in Godhra. The Hindu wanted revenge and he had it. But from then on ‘karsevak’ was synonymous with terrorist.
Laloo now wants to re-open the Godhra files to establish the ‘truth’. The lunatic has declared he wants to investigate afresh who really was travelling in the coach that was set afire – innocent men, women and children or ‘karsevaks’. And not one newspaper, not one journalist in the print or electronic media, not one right-of-center politician asked Laloo what he meant exactly by this fine distinction. The Hindu village idiot continues to sleep through -
The partition of his nation by the Muslims whom he welcomed into his country as traders.
Destruction of his temples in the holiest of Hindu cities and in Kashmir.
Continuing abuse of Hindu religion, religious beliefs and practices and Hindu history by secular intellectuals.
Genocide of Kashmiri Hindus and their forcible eviction from their homeland.
The conversion of the North-East from a Hindu majority to Christian majority region within a time span of less than a hundred years.
Continuing refusal by the Muslims to vacate Kashi, Mathura and Ayodhya.
Secular politicians and intellectuals justifying the Mumbai blasts I for the destruction of the Babri Masjid and Mumbai blasts II for the Gujarat riots.
The national intellectual discourse which upholds the Muslim right to revenge for Babri Masjid and the Gujarat riots but denies the Hindu village idiot the same right for Godhra, for Kashi, Mathura and Ayodhya and for 800 years of unrelenting bestial Muslim rule of Hindu India.
The comic act of his own leaders from Vajpayee to Jayalalithaa frantically trying to discard their Hindu face for a secular mask.
The country’s polity which refuses to protect the Hindu from the violence of religious conversions.
The attempts of the secular brigade to finish off Narendra Modi and Praveen Togadiya in public life.
The determined efforts to defame and malign our armed forces and the police who are engaged in counter-terrorism wars.
The idiom of human rights which makes heroines of Zahirra Sheikh and Ishrat Jahan and villains of Jayalalithaa, Uma Bharti and Sadhvi Rithambara.
Sleep on you idiot, sleep on. It may take another Godhra, another partition to stir your mind to self-consciousness. But I doubt it. The Hindu village idiot will have to lay down the coffin of acquired identity from his shoulders first. Only then will he stand erect, only then will his spirit be liberated to feel the first stirrings of resistance.
Radha Rajan
21st June, 2004.
February 5th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
::HINDOOOO taliban in action!!!
Readers are advised by this kind of talk from Simon. Like Amy said these retards will go to any length to justify – “My god is greater than all, Convert, if you try to defend we’ll shout persecution persecution persecution or as in this case taliban taliban taliban” ignoring their talibanish behaviour!
There is a very good collection of articles on this behavior of such retards at http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Conversion.htm
The Persecution Industry: What are the stakes?
Human rights issues have the power to bring nations to their knees in the International arena by forcing major policy changes. Evangelical groups worldwide are abusing this issue to achieve their selfish goals by turning human rights into a game called ‘Persecution’ and making it an essential ingredient of their evangelism plan.
See the graph there. Evangelical groups claim that they are persecuted ‘everywhere for practicing their beliefs’ (i.e. , in all the 238 countries around the globe). In summary, the group that is targeted for conversion by the evangelicals in every country is de fined as the offender.
There is also a very well researched article by a Christian writer.
http://www.crusadewatch.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=697&Itemid=128
February 5th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Interesting responses from people like Kiran and Radha Rajan and some others. As for Simon, is he for real? If he is, I ask that he read my response to the next topic by Deepak on the Mangalore pubs.
I read this site because I get information which I don’t get in the mainstream media.
Re: Advice to English media, well said Deepak !
The recommendation to study Sanskrit is well taken. Not just a paradigm shift but the beauty of the language. Ancient Greek, the language of Plato and Aristotle is quite beautiful but for Hindus and those who inhabit Hindustan Sanskrit is definitely the way to go. And English can continue as the lingua franca with which we deal with the world. One of the reasons Indians are doing better than some other South Asian countries is because of our mastery of English.
Take another example. The river Indus. It used to be called the Sindhu, until the Persians came and called it Hindu and the British still later anglicised it to Sindhu. Tagore in his version of the National Anthem, changed it back to Sindhu. ( I wonder if Simon and others of his persuasion sing the National Anthem !)
In any case, a Hindu responds to the Indus in a way that Babur did not. It is for us, the river along whose banks the sacred scriptures were composed. The fact that most of it currently runs through Pakistan, makes no difference to our sentiments. It is like the Ganges, a sacred river.
Most of our Christian and Muslim friends are converts from Hinduism and many are attached to Bharat, Hindustan, India, whatever name you want to call the country. They and their ancestors were born and raised here. I read recently that the Adivasis in the north east took exception to a Christian missionary who produced a native version of the Bible, with the name Sarna in it. Now, the Sarna tree is unique to these Adivasis. It cannot be transplanted in a translation to the Middle East which has its own flora and fauna. But not Sarna. The story ends happily with the Church apologising for that and the change was made.
February 5th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Excuse the mistake ! The sentence in my comment above should read : and the British changed it to Indus.
February 5th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Dear vijaya
Do not worry about evangelicals like Simon arguing here though evangelical nightmare for India is true and real. It’s a clear and present danger. They will sobotage truth in million ways. He is just a soldier of pope planting church in Asia in 3rd millennium!
Unfortunately we had worst 8 years in USA past us. Bush is out and Obama is in. We all know Bush mingling church and state with faith based policies. With Republican defeat the back of missionaries has been broken. So there is some hope. My uncle lives in Alabama which is hotbed of evangelical Fundamentalism. Some so called ‘Christian’ schools there teach creationism instead of Darwin and evolution. You know what creationism is? Oh well to make it acceptable they have started calling it as ‘Intelligent Design’. It says God created man. Not just any god but CHRISTIAN GOD.
http://idexposed.wordpress.com/
February 6th, 2009 at 1:56 am
Even I don’t drink it. But it is proven to have miraculous medicinal power.
start distributing in pet bottles you dog.
It would help you get some income rather than earning income from foul means.
You can’t be a hero by beating women or those who did it.
shame on u r mother for giving you birth.
February 6th, 2009 at 2:13 am
Hinduism is peace not war
(Though our religion is story of war)
Hibnduism is not aginst cultures
(though we have culture-less bigots in us.)
Sri rama sena is going to oppose childbirth trougn vagina next after valentine’s day.
They say vagina is the sexual organ of women and they want the child to be born only with caesaranion.
Dont’ call them fools because it is the media which has highlighted them by taking interviews with the rowdies.
Shame on home minister for being coward to act on goondas.
February 6th, 2009 at 3:22 am
What next.. Shiva Sena/Rama Sena are going to burn English Pappers ?
February 6th, 2009 at 5:19 am
@ Simon,
When Muslims can silence the English papers and make them sing paens to Islam, Hindus have no option but to do the same.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:30 am
@ Kiran P,
Stop your PJ.
February 6th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Mainstream English media have imposed censorship on themselves for a variety of reasons. Money coming from outside sources, lack of confidence in their own culture,arising from their ignorance of India’s civilisational history and the freedom struggle, and in the case of the Marxists, a lack of understanding of what Karl Marx was talking about, and ofcourse, their blind allegiance to the so called ‘Communist’ country across the border. Marx’s goal was a humane society where the guiding principle was: From each according to his/her ability and to each according to his/her ability. China certainly does not fit the bill. It is a country where the peasantry are oppressed, where the workers are in an assembly line, embodying the worst features of Fordism and so on. Still, Indian Marxists blindly support this country and so in their ideological belief they want to bring India down.
The so called secular English media are actually biased in favour of anti Indian groups.
The Muslim lobby is always complaining about discrimination. Today, I watched a discussion on NDTV about Kalyan Singh and the destruction of the Babri. Muslim leaders should point out to their brethren that during the Muslim conquest of India, thousands of Hindu temples were destroyed and people were converted at the point of the sword. During Aurangzeb’s reign Hindus had to pay a head tax( the jiziya) and wear visible signs of their religious affiliation.
Okay, that is the past, now India is a secular democracy and the Babri should not have been destroyed. Fair enough.
If India is a secular democracy, why is it that there is no Uniform Civil Code ? Why does the Muslim minority practise its own civil laws, such as the freedom to practise polygamy ?
In Canada, the Muslims wanted the government to support Sharia and they were firmly refused. The Muslim community had no alternative but to keep quiet. The pattern is that where they are in a minority of 5% they adapt to the laws of the land, as in the U.S. and Canada. But where they are in a 12-14% as they are in India they insist on special privileges, such as practising Sharia laws, while the other citizens must conform to the civil laws of the Indian Constitution.
It is surprising that no English media have raised this important question of India’s secular democracy which guarantees equal rights to all citizens, except that some citizens are more equal than others !
This is unheard of in any other secular liberal democracy in the world !
February 6th, 2009 at 9:46 am
“@ Kiran P,
Stop your PJ.”
@Deepak Kamat
I doubt u really are Deepak kamat. Just posting in his name.
February 6th, 2009 at 9:53 am
I think you meant Kiran kp. coz kiran p’s comments are absolutely sane.
February 6th, 2009 at 10:27 am
“kiran kp” who ever you are
If you have the guts and a comment worthy of being heard try using a unique handle and not copy me closely. Thanks for identifying it Darshan, may be Deepak Kamat missed it since it’s humanly impossible to screen so many comments properly.
This technique is called INCULTURATION where the missionary closely follows the native to influence other natives. Please read upon it, one sample here
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1132002640
February 6th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Deepak Kamat February 6th, 2009 at 5:19 am>>@ Simon, When Muslims can silence the English papers and make them sing paens to Islam, Hindus have no option but to do the same.>>>
Possibly you are right… Hindu’s wish to go the Islamic way!! Mohammed , Kali and Shiva all gonna sail in the same boat.
Like Mangalore Ramasene, you should also silence all the liquor shops, pubs,Archeis, Landmark….Btw, you should close all the cafe coffeeday too… after all Coffee is brought to India by Vasco Da Gama, a Portugues missionary
February 6th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
>>>If India is a secular democracy, why is it that there is no Uniform Civil Code ? Why does the Muslim minority practise its own civil laws, such as the freedom to practise polygamy ?>>>
In 1955, Hindus were also practising polygamy and it was allowed under Hindu marriage act… Google to find out, how Nehru stuggled to table that bill in Parliament.. 50 years ago Hindus were the same as moslems.. Thanks to British, who banned it all.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Q Your views on moral policing?
A You know, I dont want to enter this debate because when Pope debased our Gods, we were told about freedom of religion. Let the law take its course on both Missionaries and Mangalore.
Guess who said this?
February 6th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Christian Priest arrested for molesting a recently converted woman
CHENNAI: A 35-year-old priest was arrested by the suburban police on Tuesday on charges of molesting a woman within a church at Madhavaram.
According to police officials, the woman, a recent convert to Christianity, came to the church at 8.45 am and locked herself in a room. When others asked for her to come out she refused. The priest, with whom she was said to be on good terms, then asked her to let him in. She agreed.
The two came out 45 minutes later. The woman was allegedly bleeding from her hand and lips. When others asked her about it, she alleged that the priest had molested her and beat her up.
The police, based on the woman’s complaint, took the priest into custody. He was booked under IPC Sections 341, 324 and 506 (2).
A police official said, “We suspect the priest misbehaved with her inside the church. We have registered a case against him and are investigating.”
February 6th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Suicide of girls in Classroom – Jihadi Romeos under arrest
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=8156&SKIN=K
February 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Muslim girls to get Separate Institutions for Higher Studies – CPI(Muslim) Minister
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=8161&SKIN=B
February 6th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
WE, THE NATION OF INDIA
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main41.asp?filename=Ne170109we_the.asp
February 6th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Amy>>WE, THE NATION OF INDIA>>
If you wish to speak in true spirits of India, then you should stop identifying your million gods along with Indian culture and Nationalism…
Then, Im there with you!!
Dont waddle along the way with saffronites, who wants to alienate non-hindoos.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Amy>>>Christian Priest arrested for molesting a recently converted woman>>
According to Teaching of Jesus Christ, you and I can condemn it..
And his highest moral standars are set clear… ie,
5:27-28
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery;’
28 but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Matthew 5:32
32 but I tell you that whoever puts away his wife, except for the cause of sexual immorality, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries her when she is put away commits adultery.
Matthew 19:9
9 I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and he who marries her when she is divorced commits adultery.
Can you quote similar teachings from Rama/Krishna….
February 6th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Simon, have you ever read the Vedas or the Upanishads and other sacred Hindu scriptures? There are hundreds of quotable quotes of such profundity that it is hard to choose from them.
I respect Jesus of Nazareth but the history of official Christianity is deplorable. Jesus has said some wonderful things. Mahatma Gandhi said that the Sermon on the Mount went straight to his heart ! I agree. And yet Gandhiji never converted to Christianity, even though many Christian friends tried to. His answer was : I have yet to study and understand my own religion. Presumably, to the end of his days he never converted and he died saying He Ram ! when he was assasinated. You can easily view the film by Richard Attenborough on Gandhi. I recommend reading the Autobiography. He tells us there that while in South Africa a Christian friend leaned over and tried to take his Tulasi beads from his neck saying it was superstition. Gandhiji prevented him saying : It may be superstition to you, but the chain was placed round my neck by my mother.
Is it any wonder that he led the Indian freedom struggle. A North American friend once said to me : Gandhi is a unique phenomenon in history. He is God’s special gift to India and Indians.
Ofcourse, this friend does not know that the Divine Principle gifted India with many such gifts, not known to the outside world, but certainly known to Indians.
You on the other hand, seem to know very little about Hinduism other than what you pick up from the missionaries.
And yes, India is Hindu, pre eminently so. The Christian minority (converts from Hinduism) have to accept that.
You complained on one of these blogs that you would like to read more about Hinduism and Indian history. Since you sound like a student you should have no difficulty in finding such books in the university library. Or go to a bookstore. Or a secondhand book store if you live in a metropolis. I have already recommended British scholar A. L. Basham’s The Wonder That Was India.
I recommend a British scholar since you seem to think that every Indian writer is a saffronite!
The colonial mindset is hard to overcome. That’s okay, but do make an effort. You’ll get to understand the country that nurtured you and for which you seem to have such contempt.
By the way, polygamy was practised by many cultures. And no need to beat Hinduism with the Islamic stick ! Today India is a secular democracy.
Hindus have adapted as they always have because it is not a bigoted religion. It has welcomed people of different faiths, including the Jews of the diaspora in the second century, the Zoroastrians who fled from Iran and practically everyone else. Of these communities the Parsis(Zoroastrians) and the Jews have never attacked India.
India is the only country that has never persecuted Jews.
That says something about India.
The other two monotheistic faiths are forever complaining.
I recommend that you go to Vande Mataram on a google search. You’ll come across three different versions among many others, the first is the classical Tagore rendition of Bankim Chandra’s song, then the fabulous voice of Lata Mangeshkar singing her version. Then, A.R. Rahman’s version Ma Thuje Salaam.
Have some pride in your country. Even the Muslim Rahman has written a fine song for Mother India.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Dear deepakji
English is an western language, if you are truly HINDU then start a blog in Sanskrit. Don’t damage our religion using bullshit English language.
Also btw don’t use any Operation System like Windows, Mac, Linus all these are created by westerners and have virus which will turn you into a western anti-hindu . I am afraid you have already stared becoming western anti-hindu by the use of English language.
DO KNOW THAT YOUR ANTI-HINDU IF YOU USE ENGLISH LANGUAGE
( when you start blogging in Sanskrit will comment in Sanskrit om )
February 6th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
No English
No English means No English Mentality that slavish.
Don’t subvert the bigger purpose by silly reasoning
February 6th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
::Can you quote similar teachings from Rama/Krishna
You think Hindusim is some semetic codified religion littered with dogmas. It’s a way of life. Grow up bible thumper!
February 6th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
:: then you should stop identifying your million gods along with Indian culture and Nationalism…Then, Im there with you!!
CONDITIONS of a CHRISTIAN SOLDIER haha!
February 6th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Once upon a time I read a padre quoted in an article
“The first step of converting Hindus is playing with their mind. To make them as un-hindu as possible. That is the first step, to subvert their way of life. Even if he does not convert fully, he won’t remain as a Hindu anymore, thus a great first step has been achieved”
Simon’s words exemplify that fact.
February 6th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
::50 years ago Hindus were the same as moslems
This one from Simon will result in a fatwa from his arab cousins. I suggest he goes to Pakiland with this statement.
February 6th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Vijaya,
I agree with many of your views in your previous post.
My posting is mainly for these political hindu, like Deepak Kamat.
February 6th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
@ Simon,
So you are opposing me for the sake of opposition.
February 7th, 2009 at 12:39 am
Deepak Kamat >>>>
February 6th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
@ Simon,>>>So you are opposing me for the sake of opposition.>>
I’m definitely against hindu terrorism, hindu nationalism, hindu moral policing acts…..and hindu hooligans like RSS/Shiv Sena/Rama Sena/Bajrangdal..
February 7th, 2009 at 2:13 am
I am definitely against islamic and missionary terrorism, islamic, christian anti-nationalism, islamic and missionary anti-policing acts.
That is why, to counter these islamic and missionary hooligans, we need countering forces of RSS/Shiv Sena/Rama Sena/Bajrangdal…
February 7th, 2009 at 3:48 am
The Simon dogma
Dogma: I’m definitely against hindu terrorism, hindu nationalism, hindu moral policing acts…..and hindu hooligans like RSS/Shiv Sena/Rama Sena/Bajrangdal..
Reality: The word Hindu is synonymous with the word Bharat and India. Is there something called as Indian terrorism? Hindu is a person who follows his own faith without troubling others. Hindu terrorism is a mythical creation of the media.
February 7th, 2009 at 4:23 am
Deepak Kamat>>The word Hindu is synonymous with the word Bharat and India>>>
Thats your saffronite thinking, which is not in line with our Indian constitution…
As a Democratic Indian citizen, I have every right to reject it.
>>Hindu is a person who follows his own faith without troubling others.>>
Its a Brahminic faith, which confined it within itself, and denied 95% of its own dalit bahujans to proclaim hinduism to others. Thats your weakness, not an asset..
February 7th, 2009 at 4:31 am
The Simon dogma
Dogma: Thats your saffronite thinking, which is not in line with our Indian constitution… As a Democratic Indian citizen, I have every right to reject it.
Reality: It is accepted by Indologists. Your rejection is a part of your Christian dogma. The word India came from Hindusthan or river Indus. Hindus are persons living beyond River Indus (Hindusthan).
Dogma: >>Reality: Its a Brahminic faith, which confined it within itself, and denied 95% of its own dalit bahujans to proclaim hinduism to others. Thats your weakness, not an asset..
Reality: Brahminism is a part of Hinduism. Hinduism is beyond dogmas like Brahminism. FYI, the great Valmiki — composer of Ramayana — was also a Dalit. The great Narendra Modi is also an OBC. Besides, Dalits don’t form 95 percent of population. Again, you are going haywire with your Catholic padre dogmas.
February 7th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Deepak kamat>>>FYI, the great Valmiki — composer of Ramayana — was also a Dalit. The great Narendra Modi is also an OBC>>>
Out of the 850Mn hindus, or 300Mn dalits, show me one single dalit, who has become a Brahmin? Or who was annoited as Brahmin..
Before writing here, please understand get the grab of the word “DOGMA’s meaning!!
>>It is accepted by Indologists>>
This is the real problem with Hinduism. It doesnt see God as universal, rather it confines God to some languages or geography and Culture. Thats one reason, hinduism exited from East asia and finally shrung to the Modern India’s territories, and within that itself, its slowly declining.
Better change your perception about your indian gods.. God is a God for all
February 7th, 2009 at 9:05 am
The Simon dogma
Dogma: Out of the 850Mn hindus, or 300Mn dalits, show me one single dalit, who has become a Brahmin? Or who was annoited as Brahmin..
Reality: You don’t even know the meaning of the word Brahmin and Dalit. The word Brahmin means a man who is steeped in Brahma Jnana (Cosmic Knowledge). The word Dalit is recently coined. It means a broken one. Both Broken Ones and the possessors of cosmic knowledge are not by birth but by deeds.
Dogma: Before writing here, please understand get the grab of the word “DOGMA’s meaning!!
Reality: I know the meaning.
Dogma: This is the real problem with Hinduism. It doesnt see God as universal, rather it confines God to some languages or geography and Culture.
Reality: Another dogma. In Hinduism, God and religion comes in the personal domain. You are free to follow your own faith without troubling others.
Dogma: Thats one reason, hinduism exited from East asia and finally shrung to the Modern India’s territories, and within that itself, its slowly declining.
Reality: Hinduism is a state of mind where you are open and accommodating. It is inclusive and not exclusive like Islam and Christianity.
Dogma: Better change your perception about your indian gods.. God is a God for all
Reality: God is your personal problem. I don’t have any perceptions about God whatsoever. I am agnostic. Yet, I am a Hindu because I follow my own faith without troubling others.
February 7th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Deepak Kamat>>You don’t even know the meaning of the word Brahmin and Dalit. The word Brahmin means a man who is steeped in Brahma Jnana (Cosmic Knowledge). >>>>
Ahan!!. This is how Brahminism has been trickily fooling all the hindus for the last 3000 years..
Btw, Who are those who sport thread around torso, and knot it around ears when they go to toilet? Who are those who stay in the temples chanting mantras ? Do you think, other Hindus/Indians dont have such cosmic knowledge.. Learn to accept the reality…Anyway, Missionaries has stipped the teaching rights of Brahmins… Democracy has stripped their job monopoly..
>>>I don’t have any perceptions about God whatsoever. I am agnostic. Yet, I am a Hindu because I follow my own faith without troubling others.>>
Yet again a contradictory statement.. Most of the conversions are happening in India, because hinduism couldnt give a coherent/unified concept of God.. And now that literacy of India is increasiong, and children would start questioning about this…And no clarity of answers from Hinduism, soon.. they look out for another path towards God..Thats the reason for recent fast decline of Hinduism. In my view, Hinduism is quite contradictory and confusing. So those who cannot answer to those clarities, will soon resort to Nationalism/Way off life.. Anyway, its dying, though we may not live to see it
February 7th, 2009 at 9:29 am
The Simon dogma
Dogma: Ahan!!. This is how Brahminism has been trickily fooling all the hindus for the last 3000 years..
Reality: Brahmin fooling the Hindu. Brahmin is also a Hindu.
Dogma: Btw, Who are those who sport thread around torso, and knot it around ears when they go to toilet?
Reality: Even you do it, who is preventing you?
Dogma: Who are those who stay in the temples chanting mantras ?
Reality: Even you build your own temples and chant your own mantras.
Dogma: Do you think, other Hindus/Indians dont have such cosmic knowledge.. Learn to accept the reality…
Reality: One is a Brahmin by deeds only not by birth. That is the reality.
Dogma: Anyway, Missionaries has stipped the teaching rights of Brahmins… Democracy has stripped their job monopoly..
Reality: Well, anybody with knowledge is a Brahmin. As far as missionaries are concerned, they were gifted large tracts of land by the British for enslaving India.
Dogma: Yet again a contradictory statement.. Most of the conversions are happening in India, because hinduism couldnt give a coherent/unified concept of God..
And now that literacy of India is increasiong, and children would start questioning about this…And no clarity of answers from Hinduism, soon.. they look out for another path towards God..Thats the reason for recent fast decline of Hinduism. In my view, Hinduism is quite contradictory and confusing. So those who cannot answer to those clarities, will soon resort to Nationalism/Way off life.. Anyway, its dying, though we may not live to see it
Reality: That’s your own opinion. As far as opinions are concerned, it is like an asshole. Everybody has them.
February 7th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Even Christianity does not have any clarity of God. An idea is inserted that Christ is the only son of God.
And Bingo, the padre comes with his frock and sprinkles holy water.
February 7th, 2009 at 10:48 am
:: Christianity does not have any clarity of God
Personally for the sake of good Christians I believe Jesus as a matter of purely faith without going for the historicity behind it.
But Vatican’s invention and constant reinventions regarding Jesus for 2000 years has set the tone for some ugly truths by rational westerners. These are Christians who abandoned Christianity, not from Hindutva folks. Remember this. 50% of people in the west have ABANDONED Christianity hence west has progressed from dark ages.
Jesus was sun of God video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ-kvw1fYXs
Some of the best web sites on this topic
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/
http://www.burningcross.net/
IGNORANCE is BLISS!
February 7th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Church and it’s vendors of goods like simon like padres need to be exposed fully. British, Spanish, Portugeese, Missionaries etc., basically the white man has used this ‘divide and rule’ through ages that we can see that in action on this very forum. The constant rant about ‘brahminism’ is one. I don’t even know what that word means. It’s yet another invention from Church. First they created caste that was different from Varna or Jati. Then they seperated adivasi, vanavasi, other tribals from Hindus when they were all Hindus ( way of life definition ) and started preying on them. Then they started preying on dalits. Then OBC in the name of “brahminism”. What’s next? Split brahmins into upper caste , lower caste, mid caste etc., Keep making a piece of the pie larger always creating animosity among artificial ‘other’ smaller piece until there is nothing left. Creating fissures forever in the name ‘love for Jesus’. How do you think padres get their PhDs in Missionary studies? By slicing and dicing existing ‘divide and rule’ material further in devicing strategies to conquer the world farther and fartther. Expansion and looting in the name of some god and some religion. No different than Jehadis. At least Jehadis are clear about their hatred and display it openly. A missionary is worse than anything I can imagine in this world. When I read the web site http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm my blood boils. I wonder how a section of humanity can be so animalistic?