MANGALORE PUB ILLEGAL: MEDIA BUNGLES AGAIN WHILE PROJECTING HINDU TERROR
It turned out that the Mangalore pub — where girls were attacked by SRS hooligans — was actually an illegal dance bar. The anti-Hindu media — in its anxiety to project Hindu terrorism — only justified women trafficking.
Even the National Commission for Women has demanded a ban on the pub. Read this news item below.
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Women’s Commission moots cancellation of Mangalore pub’s licence
Bangalore: The National Commission for Women (NCW) Friday said the license of the Mangalore pub where women were attacked last week should be cancelled as it was illegally allowing live band performances and lacked proper security.
A three-member NCW team, led by Nirmala Venkatesh, visited the pub Amnesia – The Lounge, where members of the Sri Rama Sene attacked women on Jan 24. Venkatesh said “We heard there was live band performance when it had license only to serve food.”
“We were also told that some girls were participating (in dancing),” Venkatesh told reporters.
“We checked the pub’s documents and are not satisfied with the explanation given by its owners,” Venkatesh said. “The pub also had no security guard.”
“They have no right to run the pub like that. The NCW will recommend cancellation of the license,” Venkatesh said.
The team met some of the 27 accused who are lodged in a jail. “They have expressed regret for their action,” she said.
Venkatesh said she has asked the district authorities to take action against pubs running without licenses and proper security.
Around 40 members of Sri Rama Sene (army of god Rama) barged into Amnesia on Jan 24 and bashed up several young women who were there with a group of men.
The Sene justified the attack saying they were “protecting traditional Indian values”.
Its vice president Prasad Attavar and 26 others were arrested two days after the attack. Attavar did not take part in the attack but defended it.
Sene founder president Pramod Muthalik, who was away in Maharashtra on the day of the attack, was arrested Thursday for justifying the action.
Source: Indo-Asian News Service
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Fascist Trends in Indian Media
February 4th, 2009 at 2:31 am
The Real Talibans of India
27/01/2009 10:49:48 Dinesh Krishna
When a female journalist called Soumya Vishwanathan was killed in India’a national capital, the Chief Minister of Delhi Smt Sheila Dixit blamed the dead female journalist for her own tragedy by saying that she was too adventurous. The Media wholeheartedly supported Mrs Dixit and went gaga over her shortly afterwards, when she won the Delhi Assembly elections.
When Scarlett Keeling was raped and killed in Goa and the needle of suspicion pointed to a strong nexus between the Goan Ministers, the drug mafia and the sex racketeers, the media played it very safe by conveniently choosing not to pursue the leads from the investigation.
When a 14-year-old German girl was raped by Rohit Monserrate, the 21-year-old son of Goa Education Minister Atanasio Monserrate who is also a powerful political figure in Goa, and the girl’s mother was repeatedly harassed and their lawyer was grievously injured in order to coerce him to withdraw from the case, the Media didn’t find anything extraordinary in that.
When Taslima Nasreen’s press conference was rudely disrupted and chairs and all sorts of dangerous objects were thrown at her in full glare of the cameras by the “secular” muslim jihadis of Hyderabad lead by the MLAs of Majlis Ittehadul Muslimeen (MIM), the Media didnt at all find anything amiss in that.
When Laxmi Oraon, an Adivasi woman was brutally thrashed and paraded naked through the streets of Guwahati, Assam, with the whole police paraphernalia and official state machinery in tow, the Media chose to downplay the episode since, the victim was a hapless adivasi woman from the lower strata of society.
The Media felt that since all the above unsavoury incidents had occured in the states lead by Madam Sonia Antonia Maino’s puppets, it is all perfectly legitimate and absolutely secular and progressive.
Kudos to the Media who are the Real Talibans of India.
February 4th, 2009 at 2:33 am
Hindus are Hooligans and MIM are Activists
http://satyameva-jayate.org/2009/01/29/hindu-hooligans-mim-activists/
February 4th, 2009 at 3:33 am
That’s a great link. Thank u for that.
February 4th, 2009 at 4:49 am
All said and done, Thanks to Rama/Shiv Sena..
India is pushed to a Taliban Way!!!
In afganistan women who drinks wine/ sents St.Valentine Card are lashed in public.. And now, it can be witnessed in India too.
Soon they would beat women who wear trousers/T-shirts.
February 4th, 2009 at 5:05 am
@ Simon,
So would you want your sister/wife/daughter to be drugged and paraded naked in illegal live bands.
The average Hindu doesn’t. That is why they support outfits like Rama Sena and Bajrang Dal.
February 4th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Deepak Kamat>>So would you want your sister/wife/daughter to be drugged and paraded naked in illegal live bands.>>
Then ask for total Ban on live bands.. If drugging is the only issue, then prosecute those who had done that crime..
But why Rama/Shiva Sena is targetting women? Why women should not go for live bands?
Let me ask you this,targetting your male chauvenism… Hindu fanatics are ok with their men/brother/cousin watching nude parade of other women.. But doesnt want their own women to reciprocate the same..
Is that what your hindu culture you are talking about… ie, women suppression…
Btw, what about the great brothel centres of Mumbai and Kolkatta? Why those rama’s sena silent on this? You mean, brothel is a part of Hindu culture?
February 4th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Rama Sena’s future plan :-
Women should not appear in the streets without a blood relative
Women should not wear high-heeled shoes and forbid St.Valentines day.
All ground and first floor residential windows of Mangalore should be painted over or screened to prevent women being visible from the street.
were forbidden to appear on the balconies of their apartments or houses.
Ban on women’s presence on radio, television or at public gatherings of any kind.. Hindutva ki Jai..
This is Rama Rajya.. As these things didnt exist in Rama’s time..
February 4th, 2009 at 8:06 am
Dear Simon,
It is with great agony that I read you comments. I am simply unable to understand as to why don’t you people want to understand the other side. Why on earth would you like to take the only line, that which is published by the media which has no soul and that which has nothing called conscience? Why do you just want to rabble rouse things for no just reasons? If you can’t listen to others and can seldom give them a chance to say what they want you can seldom be a liberal. You are a fanatic and YOU ARE A TALIBAN. Because Taliban never listened to others… for they always thought themselves to be right!
Mahesh
February 4th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Mahesh Prabhu>>>I am simply unable to understand as to why don’t you people want to understand the other side.>>
Whats your point?
February 4th, 2009 at 11:03 am
@ Simon,
Are you defending prostitution or the media? Please explain?
If you are defending prostituion, it is alright, because what happened in Amnesia pub was nothing short of it. Drugged girls and males around? What else? It is not charity, certainly.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Simon mone there is no point in arguing with our Hindu brothers until we clean up our own house. Jesus is watching us.
http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
February 4th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
IS MEDIA TALKING ABOUT THIS
Fanatic Christian Principal insults National anthem to approve Prayer on Jesus
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=8147&SKIN=B
February 4th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
No end to propaganda. Looking back 2000 years to find way to kill off minorites. How do you know all the propaganda against this missionary school is not made up by ABVP?. Are these Nazi storm troopers angels to believe whatever they say? Even if the principal stepped out of his line, should n’t they have questioned it in a more civil way? May be in a court? other than ranscaking the place?
Is there anybody who can give us numbers as to how many Budhists and Jains were killed by Hindu Brahmins and their pawn kings? How many Dalits were put into humiliation and made slaves, plundered and killed by the same people? How many Muslims were killed by Saffron monkey army?
February 4th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
I found a wonderful series of essays, please read
http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/Are-Hindus-Violent-Part-1/blog-180.htm
A Hindu action is “condemned” eternally; a Muslim or Christian action is “minimized”.
A Muslim or Christian reaction is “justified”; a Hindu reaction is “thrashed and trounced” for days.
A Hindu saint is murdered, that is “normal” news. The Hindus react to it, that is uncivilized and barbaric.
When Muslims pelt stones on Hindu temples and processions, it is forgivable but when Hindus retaliate, it is punishable.
When they shout, “Allah is the only God” next to your door, it is their religious right but when Hindus chant “Jai Sri Ram”, it is instigation.
Hindus of Kashmir were forced to leave their land and live as refugees in their own country – that hardly raised a human rights” concern. Hindu refugees from the time of partition are still not citizens of India but Bangladeshi infiltrators of recent times are welcomed with voter cards and ration cards and our ministers plead for their citizenship.
Hindus watch as Pakistan and Bangladesh continue to wage religious animosity, decimate their minority Hindu population, actively participate in terrorism and wage overt or covert war towards India.
Hindus read that their Jawans get killed regularly from cross border firing and feel their national pride shattered with each “peace talk” and each gimmick of “peace buses” and “Samjhauta and Moitri expresses”.
Hindus see that their government, lead by their Human Resource Minister, Arjun Singh, has no hesitation in allotting funds for development of Madrassas and Mosque but wants to throttle the Ekal Vidyalaya movement, the single teacher schools that are the only hope of remote, tribal area children, because they teach “the Indian way (A for Arjun rather than A for Apple)” and because they are “communal” since they are run by Hindu organizations. (Hindus wonder whether Mr. Arjun Singh would like to disown his Hindu name or the name of his Fifth Guru and whether it would be more Indian to say, “A for Ali or Alexander”, instead.) The is the same Arjun Singh who, without hesitation, approves the decision of Jamia Millia Islamia University to fund legal aid to two of its students accused in the Delhi serial blasts.
Hindus wonder why the Prime minister of their country, instead of ensuring constitutional equality, claims, “Muslims have first right to national resources”, and are bewildered when their Prime Minister bats for their enemy with comments like “Pakistan too is a victim of terrorism” and “”Let us not brand Indians and Pakistanis as terrorists” or announces, “Terrorists and those who support them are enemies of the people of India and Pakistan”
Hindus worry when the Shahi Imam Bukhari of Jama Masjid aspires “We were rulers here for 800 years. Inshaallah, we shall return to power here once again”" and threatens “this country is in for another partition, so let us be prepared for nation wide riots and violence. “
February 4th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
emmarcee mone there is no point in arguing with our Hindu brothers until we clean up our own house. Jesus is watching us.
http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
Do you know why this bishop is denying holocaust?
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/01/30/holocaust.bishop/index.html
February 4th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
@ Emmarcee,
Your Nazi cliche is nauseating. Hitler and Mazzini were Christians.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Merkel: Pope must clarify Holocaust stance
As a young man in Germany, Benedict, then called Joseph Ratzinger, served briefly in the Hitler Youth corps as required.
read here.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090203/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_pope_holocaust
February 4th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
The Emmarcee dogma
Dogma: No end to propaganda. Looking back 2000 years to find way to kill off minorites.
Reality: Ask the Pope and the Imam. You have a fine record of eliminating Kafirs and Pagans.
Dogma: How do you know all the propaganda against this missionary school is not made up by ABVP?
Reality: You prove it.
Dogma: Are these Nazi storm troopers angels to believe whatever they say? Even if the principal stepped out of his line, should n’t they have questioned it in a more civil way? May be in a court? other than ranscaking the place?
Reality: Why are you asking me?
Dogma: Is there anybody who can give us numbers as to how many Budhists and Jains were killed by Hindu Brahmins and their pawn kings?
Reality: Another left propaganda. Buddhists were liminated by Muzzis. Even B R Ambedkar said that.
Dogma: How many Dalits were put into humiliation and made slaves, plundered and killed by the same people?
Reality: Another propaganda. The dalit word was coined very recently. Of course, there were the shudras — the working class. But they were not humiliated.
Dogma: How many Muslims were killed by Saffron monkey army?
Reality: Another left propaganda. Muslims attack. Hindus only retaliate.
February 5th, 2009 at 12:14 am
Deepak Kamat>>> Hitler and Mazzini were Christians.>>
The question here is.. Did they follow the teachings of Lord Jesus Christ (OR) followed the Aryan White Supermacy ideology of Hindu Vedas .
…. Savitri Devi is the Guru for Hitler indeed. And RSS Govalkar visited Mussolini to draw racist ideology of Aryanism.
And never forget,if you want to draw a christian tag to Hitler, then you should answer, why the Allies, majority of them Christian countries would invade him!!
Here, Jesus Christ’s sinless life, teaching and his highest moral standards ever revealed by God to mankind , stands tall, when compared to killing/looting/raping god concepts.
February 5th, 2009 at 12:20 am
>>>>Fanatic Christian Principal insults National anthem to approve Prayer on Jesus>>
In my view, Nationalism is a refined form of fascism. Someday, all borders should collapse and we should sing a global anthem!! No war!! No Pakistan!! No Borders!! No America & No India too.. and the World will be as one.
Any one disagreeing to this dream!!!
February 5th, 2009 at 12:47 am
Truth>>>Pope must clarify Holocaust stance>>>
Every German Christian should feel guilt for being mute spectator for holocaust.
Thats what the teachings of “Jesus Christ’ calls for in his parable of ‘Good Samaritan’
“A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead with no clothes. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’ “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?” The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.” Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise
February 5th, 2009 at 1:04 am
@ Simon
>>>>Here, Jesus Christ’s sinless life, teaching and his highest moral standards ever revealed by God to mankind , stands tall, when compared to killing/looting/raping god concepts.
*** Pls explain me about ‘Mary Magdalene’ and her relation with Jesus Christ *** Was she pregnant???
What about mysterious society called the Priory of Sion, as well as to the Knights Templar.
Do not poke your nose into other religion, first try to cleanup the mess you have in your religion.
Always Remember ” If you dig the past… all you get is dirt”
February 5th, 2009 at 1:19 am
Suresh Bhat>> Pls explain me about ‘Mary Magdalene’ and her relation with Jesus Christ>>
According to Bible and old historians record, she was a sinner forgiven by Christ, and later she became the follower of Christ.
In modern day, not only Dan, many a novelists/movie directors have presented different imaginative stories, and guarenteed by the freedom of press and freewill.
Whats your issue here? If Jesus had married her, then you should substantiate with historical/biblical/archeological records.. Please present your facts on this…
February 5th, 2009 at 1:32 am
@Simon
Oh!! You are looking historical facts now???
Is historical records are there says when exactly Jesus Born???
Or is there any archeological records are there about his place of birth??
Where was he from the Age of 14 to the age of 30– why Bible is silent about this??
February 5th, 2009 at 2:11 am
Suresh Bhat>>Is historical records are there says when exactly Jesus Born???>>
Unlike Hindus, who were denied educational rights by Brahmins, there by failed to record history, Roman/Jews well maintained the Governance in Roman emprie and documented well about Jesus Christ’s trial. The year of Christ’s birth is even changed to the currend AD calendar system. There are some issues about the exact date/month, but still its fairly Ok, when we talk of 2000 year old history.
Unfortunate, RAMA, Krisha cannot be even related to a tolerance of 1000 years, such was the poor recording
>>>Or is there any archeological records are there about his place of birth??>>
Traditionally Bethlehem was kept. Archeology well supports the civilization of Jews around Judeah.
>>>Where was he from the Age of 14 to the age of 30– why Bible is silent about this??>>
Bible records Jesus Christ’s spiritual path,soon after his disciples joined him. Before that, his teen age was discribed in few crispy lines only. May be, that’s only the thing which the gospel writers could knew about.
February 5th, 2009 at 2:39 am
@ Simon
I really feel sorry on your knowledge about Indian history. Sri Rama and Sri Krishna were worshiped in the time of King Ashoka,
i.e around 300BC. Even Goutham Buddha also alive well before arround 450BC. Every one knows that the name of Sri Rama and Sri Krishna were there before Goutham buddha. .. Very Long before Jesus Christ. At least can you agree this???
If 2000year history it self is not accurate then how could be 5000 years histroy will be accurate??
British Ruled India by “Divide and rule” Policy. Now These missionaries are trying to divide Hindu’s by Giving examples of Bhramins and others. This is a new tactics these missionaries are using to Degrade the moral of Hinduism.
February 5th, 2009 at 2:57 am
>>>Now These missionaries are trying to divide Hindu’s by Giving examples of Bhramins and others>>>
Missionaries are working for dalit education and upliftement, where are Brahmins are opposing (self immolating) govt. affirmative action and reservation and other upliftment programmes..
So who is dividing whoom?
February 5th, 2009 at 3:08 am
brahmins-Dalits of modern India!!!!!!!!!
At a time when the Congress government wants to raise the quota for
Other Backward Classes to 49.5 per cent in private and public sectors,
nobody talks about the plight of the upper castes. The public image of
the Brahmins, for instance, is that of an affluent, pampered class.
But is it so today?
Doctors in arms
There are 50 Sulabh Shauchalayas (public toilets) in Delhi; all of
them are cleaned and looked after by Brahmins (this very welcome
public institution was started by a Brahmin). A far cry from the
elitist image that Brahmins have!
There are five to six Brahmins manning each Shauchalaya. They came to
Delhi eight to ten years back looking for a source of income, as they
were a minority in most of their villages, where Dalits are in
majority (60 per cent to 65 per cent). In most villages in UP and
Bihar, Dalits have a union which helps them secure jobs in villages.
At Ground Zero of the quota protests
Did you know that you also stumble upon a number of Brahmins working
as coolies at Delhi’s railway stations? One of them, Kripa Shankar
Sharma, says while his daughter is doing her Bachelors in Science he
is not sure if she will secure a job.
“Dalits often have five to six kids, but they are confident of placing
them easily and well,” he says. As a result, the Dalit population is
increasing in villages. He adds: “Dalits are provided with housing,
even their pigs have spaces; whereas there is no provision for
gaushalas (cowsheds) for the cows of the Brahmins.”
The middle class deserves what it is getting
You also find Brahmin rickshaw pullers in Delhi. 50 per cent of Patel
Nagar’s rickshaw pullers are Brahmins who like their brethren have
moved to the city looking for jobs for lack of employment
opportunities and poor education in their villages.
Even after toiling the whole day, Vijay Pratap and Sidharth Tiwari,
two Brahmin rickshaw pullers, say they are hardly able to make ends
meet. These men make about Rs 100 to Rs 150 on an average every day
from which they pay a daily rent of Rs 25 for their rickshaws and Rs
500 to Rs 600 towards the rent of their rooms which is shared by 3 to
4 people or their families.
Did you also know that most rickshaw pullers in Banaras are Brahmins?
Do our institutes connect with the real India?
This reverse discrimination is also found in bureaucracy and politics.
Most of the intellectual Brahmin Tamil class has emigrated outside
Tamil Nadu. Only 5 seats out of 600 in the combined UP and Bihar
assembly are held by Brahmins — the rest are in the hands of the
Yadavs.
400,000 Brahmins of the Kashmir valley, the once respected Kashmiri
Pandits, now live as refugees in their own country, sometimes in
refugee camps in Jammu and Delhi in appalling conditions. But who
gives a damn about them? Their vote bank is negligible.
And this is not limited to the North alone. 75 per cent of domestic
help and cooks in Andhra Pradesh are Brahmins. A study of the Brahmin
community in a district in Andhra Pradesh (Brahmins of India by J
Radhakrishna, published by Chugh Publications) reveals that today all
purohits live below the poverty line.
Eighty per cent of those surveyed stated that their poverty and
traditional style of dress and hair (tuft) had made them the butt of
ridicule. Financial constraints coupled with the existing system of
reservations for the ‘backward classes’ prevented them from providing
secular education to their children.
Who are the real Dalits of India?
In fact, according to this study there has been an overall decline in
the number of Brahmin students. With the average income of Brahmins
being less than that of non-Brahmins, a high percentage of Brahmin
students drop out at the intermediate level. In the 5 to 18 year age
group, 44 per cent Brahmin students stopped education at the primary
level and 36 per cent at the pre-matriculation level.
The study also found that 55 per cent of all Brahmins lived below the
poverty line — below a per capita income of Rs 650 a month. Since 45
per cent of the total population of India is officially stated to be
below the poverty line it follows that the percentage of destitute
Brahmins is 10 per cent higher than the all-India figure.
There is no reason to believe that the condition of Brahmins in other
parts of the country is different. In this connection it would be
revealing to quote the per capita income of various communities as
stated by the Karnataka finance minister in the state assembly:
Christians Rs 1,562, Vokkaligas Rs 914, Muslims Rs 794, Scheduled
castes Rs 680, Scheduled Tribes Rs 577 and Brahmins Rs 537.
Appalling poverty compels many Brahmins to migrate to towns leading to
spatial dispersal and consequent decline in their local influence and
institutions. Brahmins initially turned to government jobs and modern
occupations such as law and medicine. But preferential policies for
the non-Brahmins have forced Brahmins to retreat in these spheres as
well.
Caste shouldn’t overwrite merit
According to the Andhra Pradesh study, the largest percentage of
Brahmins today are employed as domestic servants. The unemployment
rate among them is as high as 75 per cent. Seventy percent of Brahmins
are still relying on their hereditary vocation. There are hundreds of
families that are surviving on just Rs 500 per month as priests in
various temples (Department of Endowments statistics).
Priests are under tremendous difficulty today, sometimes even forced
to beg for alms for survival. There are innumerable instances in which
Brahmin priests who spent a lifetime studying Vedas are being
ridiculed and disrespected.
At Tamil Nadu’s Ranganathaswamy Temple, a priest’s monthly salary is
Rs 300 (Census Department studies) and a daily allowance of one
measure of rice. The government staff at the same temple receive Rs
2,500 plus per month. But these facts have not modified the priests’
reputation as ‘haves’ and as ‘exploiters.’ The destitution of Hindu
priests has moved none, not even the parties known for Hindu sympathy.
The tragedy of modern India is that the combined votes of Dalits/OBC
and Muslims are enough for any government to be elected. The Congress
quickly cashed in on it after Independence, but probably no other
government than Sonia Gandhi’s has gone so far in shamelessly dividing
Indian society for garnering votes.
From the Indian Express: ‘These measures will not achieve social justice’
The Indian government gives Rs 1,000 crores (Rs 10 billion) for
salaries of imams in mosques and Rs 200 crores (Rs 2 billion) as Haj
subsidies. But no such help is available to Brahmins and upper castes.
As a result, not only the Brahmins, but also some of the other upper
castes in the lower middle class are suffering in silence today,
seeing the minorities slowly taking control of their majority.
How reservations fracture Hindu society
Anti-Brahminism originated in, and still prospers in anti-Hindu
circles. It is particularly welcome among Marxists, missionaries,
Muslims, separatists and Christian-backed Dalit movements of different
hues. When they attack Brahmins, their target is unmistakably
Hinduism.
So the question has to be asked: are the Brahmins (and other upper
castes) of yesterday becoming the Dalits of today?
source:Francois Gautier
February 5th, 2009 at 5:39 am
@Simon
“The question here is.. Did they follow the teachings of Lord Jesus Christ (OR) followed the Aryan White Supermacy ideology of Hindu Vedas.”
Of course they followed the teachings of Jesus Christ(if you believe that bible actually contains his teachings). Bible itself has asked for elimination of non believers. And for your info Hitler had a great respect for the pope. If pope had asked him even once to stop, he would have. But pope remained silent and watched. Of course its very difficult to stop a person when he is doing what you want.
February 5th, 2009 at 5:44 am
“And never forget,if you want to draw a christian tag to Hitler, then you should answer, why the Allies, majority of them Christian countries would invade him!!
Here, Jesus Christ’s sinless life, teaching and his highest moral standards ever revealed by God to mankind , stands tall, when compared to killing/looting/raping god concepts.”
I guess everybody except the pope is a great follower of Jesus Christ or I can say that Pope is the only follower of Jesus Christ and all others were going against Christ’s teachings when they saved the Jews.
February 5th, 2009 at 5:55 am
When we talk about the German Holocaust by the Christian Nazis, we are forgetting our own Goa Inquisition which was much worse than that. Records are totally suppressed. Many people don’t even know that such a thing ever occured(even Indians). I never remember studying(forget studying, i don’t even remember having read such a word) about it in my history textbook.
February 5th, 2009 at 6:14 am
“Unlike Hindus, who were denied educational rights by Brahmins, there by failed to record history, Roman/Jews well maintained the Governance in Roman emprie and documented well about Jesus Christ’s trial. The year of Christ’s birth is even changed to the currend AD calendar system. There are some issues about the exact date/month, but still its fairly Ok, when we talk of 2000 year old history.”
The record was indeed maintained to a very accurate extent. its only that you are ignorant about it. This is Kaliyuga 5110.
Rama was Born in Tretayuga. Lets assume that Rama was born at the very end of Tretayuga. Still after that there was Dwapara Yuga lasting 864000 years. It was followed by Kaliyuga 5110 years. So Rama was born at least 869110(864000+5110) years ago. And Krishna was born in Dwapara Yuga, so he was born at least 5110 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_cosmology
So its pointless me explaining all this to you. You won’t agree and you’d discard everything as a joke.
February 5th, 2009 at 7:27 am
@ Harsh,
Fine, what has that got to do with the present topic?
February 5th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Kamat/harsh/simon
<<<>>
Who is bramin according to indian veda?
Are they still (Veda bramin)exist? and how many of them, Bramin is that by caste,clor,tradition,knowledge,dharma,acharya in what way bramins are ? who is bramin according to you? can any one explain.
February 5th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Simon mone
You are a mistaken soldier of christ just like Hitler was. Let me awaken you with divine spirit of Jesus.
Adolf Hitler was a Roman Catholic, baptized into that religio-political institution as an infant in Austria. He became a communicant and an altar boy in his youth and was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ” in that church.
Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf, “… I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord’s work.” Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938.
Three years later he informed General Gerhart Engel: “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.” He never left the Church, and the Church never left him
Read this book.
Hitler Was Not An Atheist – By John Patrick Michael Murphy
February 5th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Simon mone
with great sadness I have to tell you that Jesus was all fiction. Millions of christians are saying that.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
February 5th, 2009 at 10:51 am
“@ Harsh,
Fine, what has that got to do with the present topic?”
Its just that Simon mentioned about lack of date keeping among Hindus. So I gave an explanation.
February 5th, 2009 at 11:00 am
@krish_eashwar
according to present day situation Brahmin is one who is born brahmin. But it doesn’t make sense. Brahmin according vedas is one who gains knowledge and an intellectual person. he should have studied vedas. its not at all based on our birth. it just happened to become that way coz sons of brahmins got fascinated by their father’s profession and they to turned up brahmins. it can be possible that son of a brahmin might become a shudra or son of a shudra might become a brahmin…
February 5th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Harsh>> Brahmin according vedas is one who gains knowledge and an intellectual person. he should have studied vedas. its not at all based on our birth>>>
Lets talk practically…Out of the 850 Mn Hindus, how many dalits have become Brahmins? Can you refer some living examples….
Atleast, can you cite a single eg, where a dalit has become Brahmin and made to sit in the sanctorum of premium temple… (like how Obhama is made)…Then I buy your point!!
Even Mata Amrytami is branded as fisher women…Sai Babha definitely a non-brahmin.. Please respond in a practical way!!
February 5th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Pale Fires Don’t Scorch
Deviants of Mangalore and Malegaon are demonised fallaciously
FRANCOIS GAUTIER
Outlook India
February 09, 2009
When I began reporting, I went to interview the RSS leadership in Delhi, expecting, from what I had heard, a few bloodthirsty fascists. I was surprised to meet those old daddies with their long khaki shorts, who would not hurt a fly. Twenty-five years later, the word ‘Hindu Talibanisation’ is being heard amidst the clamour following the odious pub episode in Mangalore. Such incidents should be condemned, as it has no precedent in Indian history—from Prithviraj Chauhan to Shivaji, Hindus respected the women of even their enemies. Yet, I beg to disagree: this is not about the Talibanisation of Hindu groups, it is about their demonisation.
British colonisers in league with the Christian missionaries realised 200 years ago that the biggest obstacle to fully subjugating India was Hinduism, as it was ancient, woven into the fabric of life and held the country together. They set upon defaming Hinduism, by dwelling on what they perceived as its negatives: castes, sati, superstition, etc. Simultaneously, they created in a span of two or three generations a class of Indians who looked up only to the West.
Macaulay, the architect of the scheme, summed it up in his Minute on Education: “We must do our best to form a class of persons, Indians in blood and colour, but English in taste, in opinions, in morals and in intellect.” Macaulay despised Indian culture: “Hindus have a literature of small intrinsic value, hardly reconcilable with morality, full of monstrous superstitions….” The demonisation of Hinduism was apace.
As a result, these Anglicised Indians became ashamed of their own culture. This Western/anti-Hindu outlook was handed down from generation to generation, right down to our age, where many of India’s brilliant and articulate Hindu-Marxist intellectuals, products all of institutions like jnu, or St Stephen’s, keep on repeating, as if by rote, what their hoary forebears were taught by the British. And unfortunately, they pass it back to their friends from the West, neatly marking a full circle. How else could a film like Slumdog Millionaire, made by an Englishman, which literally craps on India from the very first frame, be feted by most of India’s intelligentsia? How else could India specialists like Christophe Jaffrelot peddle to his gullible French readers the spurious theory that there is a “Hindu tradition of terror”?
Politically, the Congress just took over from the British, as I explain in my new book (A New History of India, 2008, Har Anand), and used its English-speaking press to present Hindu social and political parties as fanatical and ridiculous. The goal was to corner the Muslim vote, which was—and still remains—achieved. It does not help today that the supreme leader of India is a Christian. Whether her aides or her ministers (many of them capable people in their own right) rush to gratify her in true bhakti spirit or whether she directly speaks her will, one does not know. But what better way to please her than by equating Hindu fundamentalism with the Muslim one and to turn the flak on to small Hindu outfits which are amateur lambs compared to the Islamic ones?
There are two standards today used by India’s media and intelligentsia. One for minorities and the other for Hindus. It is totally illogical: if 4,00,000 Hindus are hounded out of the Kashmir Valley which has always been their home, nobody protests; but New Delhi has been rooting for Palestinians for four decades and recently donated a million dollars for their welfare. When blast after blast wrecks Indian markets, when trains are bombed, hotels attacked by men worse than animals, intellectuals blame it on Babri Masjid (where nobody was killed) or Gujarat (triggered by the burning of 59 innocent Hindus).But when a few Hindus plan to establish a Hindu rashtra and plot a clumsy, small-scale revenge, they are equated with deadly fundamentalists. A universal theorem is made of their single act, which should stand out as isolated, because Hindus have been for thousands of years tolerant to the point of cowardice. Our intellectuals never theorised when, in Kashmir, militants used to throw acid on women who did not cover up, but now devote reams to the goons of Mangalore.
Finally, to be fair, one has to say that a lot of prudishness has seeped into India because of the Islamic purdah and, later, Victorian stuffiness. Yet, Hinduism always enjoined its adherents to live life fully, including its sexual aspect. We do not want an Indian youth which blindly apes the West: drinking, drugs and promiscuity. But the Hindu political leadership should also shun rough, prudish and moralistic acts which will only alienate its young voters.
(Francois Gautier is the editor-in-chief of the Paris-based La Revue l’Inde)
February 5th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Kiran,
Thats indeed a good article by Francois Gautier..There are few things you could answer me…
>>I was surprised to meet those old daddies with their long khaki shorts, who would not hurt a fly>>
<B<Yes, Hinduism doesnt encourage killing a fly/mosquite even if it bites.. But then, why the Khaki Knikker walla is sporting a Lati??
And I do agree with him about his Macaulay education, and its impact on media. Yes, blame it on Brahmins who denied educational rights, and Macaulay gave it all, and now , caste hindus are feeling the pinch..
But do you have any alternative educational system? Will the Brahmins openly educate the untouchable hindus and welcome them open heartedly in IIT/IIMS with a fairer representation in pro-rata population numbers? I doubt…
>>>>It does not help today that the supreme leader of India is a Christian>>
Any good alternatives…. Keeping in mind that, we all gave two chances to the saffron party!!!.. So, a political solution for hindu agenda is lost even with BJP.. any other alternative to replace the Christian leadership in Indian governance and media too
February 5th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
I am surprised at all the negative comments from Simon and people who profess the Christian faith. Why do you hate Hinduism so much ? True, it has faults like any other religion. And it is changing. Many bad customs are being thrown out. Hinduism has two traditions. The Sruti, the unchanging truths of the Vedas and the Upanishads. The second is Smriti, which can be changed. Manu’s Laws, for instance come under smriti. You are Indians and India is pre eminently the land of Hinduism, since several millenia ago. You should all feel proud that you belong to this ancient civilisation which has been hospitable to all the different faiths in the world. It is the only country where Jews were never persecuted, where Zoroastrians who fled Iran were welcomed, where the early Christians from Syria were welcomed, where even today people of many faiths are allowed to worship in peace, until they give provocation to the Hindus. In Mangalore and some other places the World Life missionaries daily abuse the Hindu religion. It was routing during the days of the Raj.
When you get up and salute the Indian flag and sing the national anthem, do you not feel pride ?
An ancient civilisation, a country that withstood two Occupations, the Muslim and the British and has emerged a fairly decent and normal country. Look at your neighbours . Does India not have a secular democracy, not a theocracy ?
Don’t you feel pride and loyalty?
And Simon, you are mistaken in your sources of information. Guru Golwarkar was a saintly type of person. He was the only surviving son of his parents, was an outstanding student in his class. As a young man like many other patriotic Indians he wanted to liberate India from the colonisers. He joined the RSS which like the Indian National Congress and Gandhiji engaged in a life and death struggle with the Raj. He was a devout Hindu who respected all the different religions, a soft spoken person.
Do you identify more with the Raj than with all these heroic characters who liberated your country from the British ?
February 5th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
vijaya,
ONE SIMPLE ANSWER
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Conversion.htm
for simon calling Hindus hoarsely as taliban serves conversion purpose. see link.
http://www.crusadewatch.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=697&Itemid=128
February 6th, 2009 at 2:06 am
Does any one know why did nirmala venkatesh support the ram sene and blamed pub for protection?
If one logs intolog details of 2002 to 2007 of hotel karavali in udupi one can come to know the truth.
I am telling you this because i was working for this hotel during that time.
dr. v. s acharya used to stay with this famous lady who then was just a social activist and this V.S. acharya was not a minister then
When she is a keep of dr.v.s acharya how can she not keep word of him?
February 6th, 2009 at 5:14 am
@ Shashikant,
What are you trying to prove?
What has it got to do with this incident? I am not interested in finding out who slept with whom? And as a hotelier, what was the details of “Kepts” who kept going in and out? Were you a pimp?
February 6th, 2009 at 9:51 am
@Deepak
Don’t fall into trap of idiots like shashikant. He thinks if he posts whatever he likes quoting figures like 2002, etc. and mentioning some names of hotels we will all believe him. What he doesn’t know is that we know that he is an idiot
February 6th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Simon mone,
– we all gave two chances to the saffron party!!!..
Who is “we”? Do you think 2 chance is enough to undo the damage wrought by 10 chances had by CONmen led by Antonia Maino Sonia Khan Ghandi party and others of the dynasty?
— the Christian leadership in Indian governance and media too
Christian leadership?
Does leadership mean sabotaging the country, enslaving it and creating Christian homelands within it?
February 6th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Thats your weakness, Amy!!
Result of Illiteracy
February 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Western funded christian missionary terrorists are the biggest enemys of Bharat. They are more dangerous that Jihadi terrorists. Jihadis kill few people, but these christian missionary terrorists uproot a society forver.
These christiian missionary terrorists trun a peaceful place into conflicting zone. These not words of Hindus, but millions of westerners who experienced and seen such barbarity.
Bharat must not tolerate these terrorists, and crush them before they rise. Poisonous plants need to be uprooted before they become trees. We need to use their own game to beat them. These frustated christian missionary terrorists can do anything. They are now frustated, as their numbers dwildling in the west. More and more westerners leaving this barbaric cult. Churches are turning into empty buildings, ghost houses.
February 6th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Truth>>>Western funded christian missionary terrorists are the biggest enemys of Bharat.>>>
Every third of Indian gets educated from Missionary school..Boy remember!!
Probably, it may be against your Varna-Gurukul idea, which makes you feel insecured over your monopoly..