Srinivasa, Venkatramana, Govinda: Crypto-Christian Andhra CM YSR dead-Good riddance
Frankly, I am feeling Lord Venkataramana’s grace for the first time. I was really glad that destiny took away the Super Egoist, Crypto-Christian Andhra Chief Minister Y S Rajashekar Reddy from our midst.
Remember, this was the same person who tried to take over the world’s richest Hindu Temple — backed no doubt by the Christian evangelists who are in full control of the fascist Indian media. The S in YSR stands for Samuel. He was one of Sonia’s henchmen in the evangelisation game.
He tried to spoil the sanctity of Tirupati Balaji Temple by getting the prasadams done at Christian behest. He tried to take over the sacred seven hills belonging to Saptagirivasa Venkataramana.
I am sure that the Gods were angry and dealt a blow to the evangelical dreams. Mother Earth is better off without crypto-Christian Hindu baiters like YSR. May His Soul rest in pieces. Let this also serve as a warning to all the pseudosecularists, evangelists and Mullahs who dare to insult Hindu Gods. Let this also serve as a warning to that Italian bitch.
Finally, three Cheers to Lord Venkatramana.
Srinivasa, Venkatramana, Govinda
Govindan Govinda…. Govinda.
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Fascist Trends in Indian Media
September 9th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
YSR’s(samuel Reddy’s) govt. was most SECULAR govt.!
YSR was a most SECULAR person!
http://www.sanghparivar.org/forum/ysrs-samuel-reddy-s-govt-was-the-most-secular-govt-ever-0
September 9th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
“YSR was a most SECULAR person!”
Same polemic. Nothing different from our Deepak’s.
September 9th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
To DeshBakhta
I completely agree with u I am not saying that the blood shed & killings in Ramayan & Mahabharat was without reason , there are times when u have to fight to defend your values & faith.
But this was in response to Deepak’s misinformed comments about verses in koran asking the believers to fight when in war, rather than being a coward & accepting injustice for saving ur own life.
Not standing against opression or not fighting the opressor just to save ur ownself is a sin.
Best wishes
September 9th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
@ Deepak
Your debating skills need improvement.
You do have the potential but not let your hatred consume you.
I follow these guidelines and they have always helped
Question Everything, Learn Something, Answer Nothing
But you must understand that everyone goes through this phase.
There was a time when I used to abuse and foul mouth people
whom I did not agree with but I grew up quickly.
You decide how long you will take to come out of this phase.
But grow you must.
For some Intellectual Stimulation I suggest you read this article.
Analysing the problem of Hindu-Muslim unity in the light of Sri Aurobindo’s thought.
September 10th, 2009 at 10:24 am
“But you must understand that everyone goes through this phase.
You decide how long you will take to come out of this phase.
But grow you must.”
Rightly spoken.
September 10th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
I am reading these articles from many days. my English is poor so I could not reply on these. I am observing that the most of the people are writing against Deepak. But I am feeling that Deepak is not wrong. YSR was anti Hindu.he was trying to destroy a world famous Hindu temple, not a masjid and not a church. why? because he was anti Hindu. everybody knows about the misuse of funds by the Andra Govt which came from Hindu devotees, not from muslims and not from cristians. everybody knows that what is going on in Thirupathi. whether the Andra govt tried to improve the temple or not. if ysr is brave or great he would have tried to interfere in any big masjid or church which gives more income. but he enjoyed only by using Hindu devotees money. why?
September 10th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
To raju mogaveera
u said “ …. my english poor so I could not reply on these……. ”
Brother
ur english is not poor at all in fact I find it is good . just to let u know that I had to reply you.
Though I might not agree with the point u making but thats different thing.
Best Wishes
September 10th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
raju mogaveera Says: September 10th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
I am reading these articles from many days. my English is poor so I could not reply on these. I am observing that the most of the people are writing against Deepak. But I am feeling that Deepak is not wrong. YSR was anti Hind
great your massage is simple good easy and strong point, English is just language only, english is not knowledge. learning smuskritham & tamil is treasure which has knowledge.
September 10th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
@najeeb 104
Let me tell you who should grow up. Some people believing in some faith climbed atop a police van and waived the green flag with crescent mark at Miraj in Maharashtra. They then went vandalised the nearby Ganesh pandaals. Well, they did not stop there. They threw stones and whatever had fallen on the road at the Ganesha idol which the Hindus worship. They stamped and danced on the fallen pandaal material. This beautiful Nation of ours needs these kind of people to grow up and not Deepak!
Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-J0mD8naAg
September 11th, 2009 at 7:13 am
Dear Deshbhakta,
Point noted and fully agree with you. Whoever did such things, no doubt need to grow up. I have never said they do not need to. They too need to understand and grow up,
Whoever kill other people in the name of religion in which they were happen to be born, should stop foolishness and need to grow up. Whoever uses religious symbold to humiliate others, uses religion to instigate killing and other inhumanly acts should be punished and they need to grow up.
Why I said Deepak needs to grow up is becoz in my opinion he is using his writing skills in the wrong way. He, in the name of defending Hindusim, is defending wrong people and propogating wrong things. To me defenders of any faith should exempliy the finess of their religion in their act, words, in their interaction with others. They should relaise the essential truth of the religion in which they believe, which incidently is the same in all the religions, in their life and manifest it in their life. To name a few of such people from Hinduism is Paramahamsa Yogannda, Sree Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Swami Vivekananda, Sri Aurabindo, Sree Narayana Guru et al
And that does not mean you cant critise any other religion. We can but that must be done to understand and to make undertsand. Not for political milage.
September 11th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Please watch this video where muslim fanatics march with cow head and insulting Hindus. It would be good if anyone who knows Malay language can translate this. Please write letters, protest in front of Malaysian Embassy Look at this video and police is just watching. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=ytAkNMyGd1M&feature=related What happens when you condemn this even with a peaceful protest in Malaysia. This is what happened. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=3xF9rJHbHjM&eurl=http%3A% 2F%2Fwww% 2Emakkal% 2Eorg%2F&feature=player_ embedded – Arrested for candlelight march Click here to here the latest interview from Waytha Moorthyji on whats going on in Malaysia. While he was giving interview, his wife and sisters have been arrested by pro islamic Malay government.This can happen to anyone who lives in a muslim majority country. So please do show support and solidarity. http://sdfglobal. org/images/ audios/Sep% 205%202009% 20II.mp3 – Latest Interview Also watch complete temple demolition video here. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=ciQ8P3heHbA&feature=PlayList&p=CDF2F59A595624BA&playnext=1&playnext_from= PL&index=1
September 11th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
@ All those criticising mywriting skills,
I am not a writer. I just want to communicate and express myself. I am doing it just fine.
September 11th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
@Najeeb,
“defenders of any faith should exempliy the finess of their religion in their act, words, in their interaction with others”
I do not think it is possible to convince Hitler of Gandhian/Hindu values of Ahimsa. In Hindi it is said “Samajdaar ko ishaara hi kaafi hai.”
Further, One cannot defend with soft power his religion from the kind of people who threw stones at the Ganesha idol.
There had been more than 450 (religious) riots from 1970 to 2002 in the state of Gujarat. After the riots in Feb/Mar 2002, no riots have been reported from the state till today. May be some lesson was taught in a manner the culprits could understand.
September 12th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Your god Krishna and Rama are aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaash
September 12th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Dear Sir,
Really your statement if very very good and it is an eye opener for the4Christial community. Somay time4s I may also felt these things in my mind. THANK YOU>
September 13th, 2009 at 10:31 am
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September 13th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Deepak Kamat Says:
September 7th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
@ So-calledNajeeb,
I am proud of my Brahmin tradition.
A brahmin is describedthus in Shantiparvah: A person who is righteous, compassionate, virtuous and is dedicated to nobility.
it is the brahmins who spoiled the hinduism for their selfish reasons. Having lost the political grips and in this reservation era, they still wanna get hold the varna grip over the untouchable hindus, and the tool used is hinduism. Kamat is one among them.
Proud of being a brahmin.. huh.. A community and a wrong ideology which has made 800 million hindus feel low and live in lower strata. If not for the invation and reformation of Moguls and Brits, india would have been so pathetic and underdeveloped with the oppressive brahmins.
September 13th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
@ so-called Shridhar Gowda,
It was the Christian missionaries who engineered the Brahmin-Dalit divide to split Hindu society.
Till then, Brahmins were respected all over India.
You have swallowed missionary poison. I have not. That is why I am proud of my brahmin heritage who dedicated themselves to uplift humanity.
September 13th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Deepak Kamat Says:
September 13th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
“”"@ so-called Shridhar Gowda,It was the Christian missionaries who engineered the Brahmin-Dalit divide to split Hindu society.Till then, Brahmins were respected all over India.”"
Deepak you dont need to give me an adjective to call me as ‘So Called Gowda’.. Im a Gowdaru from cauvery belt. Dont blame christian missionaries, if not for them, we may not have been aware of the brahminic oppressions and denial of educational right to Sudras.
And why one would expect to say Brahmins were respected all over india before British.. Respect for Brahmin.. For what? Why not Brahmins respects Gowdas and fall on our feet.. The god you have is also my god..
Stop all your Konkani Brahmin tricks. You brahmins are kicked out, and you cant any more innocent hindus and use them as pawns for your brahminic tricks.
Hope you wont delete this post and face it in public with your point of view..
Sridhara Gowdaru
September 13th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Deepak Kamat @ “You have swallowed missionary poison. I have not. That is why I am proud of my brahmin heritage who dedicated themselves to uplift humanity”"
Dont blame on the christian missionaries you Brahmmman. You konkani kinis,Kamats and shenoys have denied educational right to us… My father studied in mysore missionary school and became an IAS officer, but , his all batch mate brahmins who studied in mangalore used to look him down as a gowda, and those brahmins only became clerks.
You are going to uplift humanity… Krishna..rama… Brahmin here is talking about Humanity.. the one who has kept 80Crore hindus as low living in the name of Brahminic varna.. Stop using hinduism here , as your brahminic fuel.
May be, you talk about Brahminism, but please dont use hinduism here, deepak.
Arrtha madu kooli… Paattre..
September 13th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Sridhara “christian’ Gowda,
http://indowave.tripod.com/NAMES.html
Just because of using gowda or gowdare name does not mean you are a Hindu or a gowda Hindu. Bloody missionary Christians like you are millions now keeping Hindu names to fool masses. This is an old trick. Using tricks like Brahmninism, Dravidism among Hinduism is another divide and convert ploy. Get out of here, don’t peddle lies coming from padres that was taught at sunday church!
Proof of your kind
http://indowave.tripod.com/NAMES.html
September 13th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
1. ONGOING GENOCIDES
2. RECENT GENOCIDES
2000 YEARS of HELL on EARTH
September 13th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
VoP,
You dont need to authenticate my Gowdaru identity. Please dont drag the missionaries to cover up those Brahmins like Kamats.
These fellows , ie,,Brahmins even licked the arse of British and missionaries for their selfish things. If you are also a Brahmin, sorry, I cant help it.
Please you brahmins leave the hinduism and have your own version of Brahminic’ism and your rituals, pitrus and pindams.
But dont fool us anymore.. You guys are no more in politics.. No brahmin can become a C.M in Karnataka any more. And no one is going to buy your brahmic supremacy any more. You are the traitors of our religion.
September 14th, 2009 at 10:36 am
@ so-called Shridhar Gowda,
Your attempts to divide Hindu society by engineering a split between Brahmins and non-Brahmins is old.
Try something new.
Best of luck.
September 14th, 2009 at 10:37 am
@ All pseudosecularists questioning Brahmin patriotism,
70 percent of the freedom fighters executed by the British were Brahmins.
September 14th, 2009 at 11:04 am
DEEPAK says “”"@ so-called Shridhar Gowda,Your attempts to divide Hindu society by engineering a split between Brahmins and non-Brahmins is old.”
Who divided our Hindu community as Brahmin and Non Brahmin? Who practised varna? Please dont incite the innocent hindus inorder to make them as foot soldiers of brahminism, so that you can rule them,
“”70 percent of the freedom fighters executed by the British were Brahmins.”"
No one is questioning here the partiotism of Brahmins. I’m only doubting the crediblity of Brahmins in making every Indians grow equally in education and jobs. Brahminic affection towards sudra hindus goes in thin air, when ‘reservations’ are dragged in.
Hindus and HInduism would be better without Brahmical system. Dismantle the brahminism
September 14th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
@sridhara gowda,
“Hindus and HInduism would be better without Brahmical system. Dismantle the brahminism”
i agree in toto what sridhar gowda wrote.
We dont need stupid doctrines to fool us anymore.
brahminism is the enemy of hinduism and not missionoris.
September 14th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Both Krishna Poojari and Shridara Gowda have the same IP address. This is a typical missionary propaaganda.
Dismantling Brahminism is like dismantling humanity. I am sorry to inform the pseudos that people of India still have a lot of respect for Brahmins despite bad press from the Christian media.
September 14th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Both Krishna Poojari and Shridara Gowda have the same IP address. This is a typical missionary propaaganda.
Dismantling Brahminism is like dismantling humanity. I am sorry to inform the pseudos that people of India still have a lot of respect for Brahmins despite bad press from the Christian media.
There are no takers for
September 14th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Why anti-Brahminism is as bad as anti-Dalitism?
Belgian historian Koenraad Elst described anti-Brahminism as the Indian equivalent of anti-semitism.
“Pope Gregory XV (1621-23) decreed that the missionaries could tolerate caste distinction among Christian converts; but by and large, caste remained an effective hurdle to the destruction of Hinduism through conversion. That is why the missionaries started attacking the institution of caste and in particular the brahmin caste. This propaganda has bloomed into a full-fledged anti-brahminism, the Indian equivalent of anti-Semitism.”
To understand the dynamics of anti-Brahminism, we will have to take a look at caste arithmetic, history and the social nature of Hindu society.
Census based on caste is banned in India since castes are not encouraged in public. The last census on caste was taken in the year 1931. At that time, brahmins comprised 4 percent of the population.
Many estimate that it may have shrunk given the hostile atmosphere in which Brahmins live. However, the percentage of SCs and STs and OBCs have been made available following the reservation scheme. The SCs, STs and OBCs together form 75 percent of Indian population as per data from Mandal Commission records.
Caste wise demographics:
Scheduled Caste 16 percent
Scheduled Tribe 7percent
Other Backward Caste 2 percent
Muslims 13 percent
Sikhs 2 percent
Chrisians 2 percent
Jains & Buddhists 1 percent
Brahmins 4 percent (as per 1931 census)
Others 3 or 4 percent
From this is obvious that KHAM (Kshatriya, Harijan, Adivasi and Muslim) combination would work out to more than 90 percent. So it is natural for the Congress and the secular parties to woo this combine by demonizing the Brahmins on the charges that lower castes have been exploited by Brahmins for centuries. This forms the central crux of the anti-brahmin argument. Besides it is very safe to be an anti-Brahmin since the Brahmins are docile and don’t hit back. Just imagine what would happen if other castes and other religions were targeted.
While there is no denying the Brahmin atrocities and the need for uplifting the Dalits, the other side of the coin has to be factored too. The effects of anti-Brahminism has been disastrous for the Bharathiya psyche. It is a gross distortion of history and it undermines Brahmin sacrifices in ensuring the nation’s continuity.
Remember, the Brahmins have played a stellar role in preserving India’s heritage which have been fully acknowledged by Swami Vivekananda and Gandhi. However, this contribution has not just been ignored but negated by our eminent left historians.
To understand the reason why Hindus survived the Islamic conquests we have to study the fall of Buddhism too. This is what B R Ambedkar wrote on the fall of Buddhism in India following Islamic invasion: “The Musalman invaders sacked the Buddhist Universities of Nalanda, Vikramshila, Jagaddala, Odantapuri to name only a few. They raised to the ground Buddhist monasteries with which the country was studded. The monks fled away in thousands to Nepal, Tibet and other places outside India. A very large number were killed outright by the Muslim commanders. How the Buddhist priesthood perished by the sword of the Muslim invaders has been recorded by the Muslim historians themselves. Summarizing the evidence relating to the slaughter of the Buddhist Monks perpetrated by the Musalman General in the course of his invasion of Bihar in 1197 AD, Mr. Vincent Smith says, “….Great quantities of plunder were obtained, and the slaughter of the ’shaven headed Brahmans’, that is to say the Buddhist monks, was so thoroughly completed, that when the victor sought for someone capable of explaining the contents of the books in the libraries of the monasteries, not a living man could be found who was able to read them. ‘It was discovered,’ we are told, ‘that the whole of that fortress and city was a college, and in the Hindi tongue they call a college Bihar.’ “Such was the slaughter of the Buddhist priesthood perpetrated by the Islamic invaders. The axe was struck at the very root. For by killing the Buddhist priesthood, Islam killed Buddhism. This was the greatest disaster that befell the religion of the Buddha in India….”
According to Arun Shourie, Hinduism survived largely because of Brahminism: He says: “For the Hindus, every Brahmin was a potential priest. No ordination was mandated. Neither anything else. Every household carried on rituals — oblations, recitation of particular mantras, pilgrimages, each Brahmin family made memorizing some Veda its very purpose…. By contrast, Buddhism had instituted ordination, particular training etc. for its priestly class. Thus, when the invaders massacred Brahmins, Hinduism continued. But when they massacred the Buddhist monks, the religion itself was killed.”
The priestly Brahmin class managed to preserve India’s spiritual traditions despite ethnic cleansing and genocides. This is not to undermine the contribution of other castes who had played their role by refusing to convert despite their low stature. It is high time that the Brahmin is seen for what he is rather than being demonized.
Social dimensions of Brahmin today: French journalist Francois Gautier says: Rampant anti-Brahmanism, first used by the Muslim invaders, then by the British colonialists and missionaries, is still in vogue at the hands of Nehruvians, Marxists, Indian Christians and politicians in search of the votes of Dalits and Muslims, which combined together make and unmake prime ministers.
Gautier had published an article in Rediff.com – Brahmins as Dalits of Today — stating that several young Brahmins were working in Sulab Toilets as toilet cleaners, sweepers et al (a job that is usually arrogated to the lower caste Dalits.)
Though Gautier had given this information to the Indian media, they started avoiding him, refused to publish it and some even criticized him as a “RSS stooge”. Certainly when editors, intellectuals and intelligentsia of the day bear anti-brahmin bias and refuse to look at reality, it is a tragedy of the society besides a slur on journalistic tradition which preaches objectivity. Remember, Brahmins are always projected as a fat, rich arrogant community. The selective amnesia of the media when it comes to Brahmin poverty is breathtaking. Is it not?
Sri Aurobindo wrote: ‘A Brahmin was a Brahmin only if he cultivated the spiritual temperament and acquired the spiritual training which alone would qualify him for the task.’
Says Gautier, “Thanks to the lingering influence of Nehruvianism, ‘Brahmins’ remain today a dirty word, even in the face of reality: that Dalits have considerably come up since 1947 in Indian society, that no nation in the world has done so much for its underprivileged (India had a Dalit President — did the US ever have a Black President?). But the intellectual elite of India, which never mentions these facts, continues to hide its face in the sand like an ostrich, refusing to see the reality.”
Dr Bindeshwar Pathak, the founder of the Sulabh Shauchalaya Movement remarks: ‘Society sustained the Brahmins and other upper castes earlier, who upheld the Hindu scriptures and Hindu culture. Today Hinduism is on the decline day-by-day. There is a lack of ancient knowledge. No political party has objected to reservation thanks to vote-bank politics. People have a very short memory. They have forgotten the contribution made by Brahmins to our society.’
And who says that Brahmins and other upper castes are anti-Dalits. Some of India’s top avatars, saints and gurus were of low caste and are still worshipped today by all upper castes. Valmiki, the composer of the Ramayana, was a fisherman; Ved Vyasa, the epic poet of the Mahabharata, which also contains the Bhagavad Gita, the Bible of Future Humanity, was the son of a fisherwoman; Krishna was from the shepherd’s caste. And are not today’s Amritanandamayi or Satya Sai Baba of low caste birth? Don’t they have millions of Indians, many of them from upper castes, bowing down to them?
Anti-Brahmanism has to be stopped! This inter-caste war, triggered by the politicians’ greed for votes, has to be defused.
Brahmins and Manu Smrithies: Manu Smrithies are the most effective tool used for Brahmin bashing. However, what is not pointed out is that Manu Smrithi has no validity in Hindu soceity. Manu Smriti is part of Samaja Dharma (which is like a constitution which was valid only during a certain period of time). Hindus have more faith in Sanatana Dharma (texts like Bhagavad Gita). According to several other scholars, the Manu Smrithies suffer from interpolation and cannot be relied upon. Most of the Hindus are ignorant about Manu Smrithies and tend to rely more upon classical texts like the Bhagavad Gita.
It is these alien intellectuals who have selected obscure passages from Manu Smrithies and are demonising a largely peaceful community. They do not point out other scriptures like the Gita where the Brahmin is described as a person in whom you find “truthfulness, generosity, absence of hatred, modesty, goodness and self-restraint.” Appreciating Brahmins is taboo in India.
What these intellectual worthies do not realise is that most of the Dalit reformers were Brahmins too. This only proves that brahmins are open to reforms and committed to justice.
A smritis, or code of conduct composed by sage Atri defines brahminhood very clearly.”By birth, every man is a Shudra (an ignorant person). Through various types of disciplines (samskaras), he becomes a dwija (twice born). Through the studies of scriptures, he becomes a vipra (or a scholar). Through realization of supreme spirit (brahmajnana), he becomes a brahmin.”
September 14th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
The way Mullah, Missionary, Marxist brigade seeks to divide Hindu society
The Mahabharata defines the varna qualities thus: “He in whom you find truthfulness, generosity, absence of hatred, modesty, goodness and self-restraint, is a brahmana. He who fulfills the duties of a knight, studies the scriptures, concentrates on acquisition and distribution of riches, is a kshatriya. He who loves cattle-breeding, agriculture and money, is honest and well-versed in scripture, is a vaishya. He who eats anything, practises any profession, ignores purity rules, and takes no interest in scriptures and rules of life, is a shudra.”
The higher the varna, the more rules of self-discipline are to be observed. Hence, a jati could collectively improve its status by adopting more demanding rules of conduct, e.g. vegetarianism.
Untouchability never existed in the Vedas: Untouchability is unknown in the Vedas, and therefore repudiated by neo-Vedic reformers like Dayanand Saraswati, Narayan Guru, Gandhiji and Savarkar. The 1950 constitution outlawed untouchability and sanctioned positive discrimination programs for the Scheduled Castes and Tribes. Lately, the Vishva Hindu Parishad has managed to get even the most traditionalist religious leaders on the anti-untouchability platform, so that they invite harijans to Vedic schools and train them as priests.
Despite this, the Mullah, Missionary, Marxist brigade raises a howl about Dalit atrocities for two reasons as they see it a convenient ploy to divide Hindu society as well as garner international funds. Recently, a Dalit body (obviously funded by the anti-Hindus) had tried to get casteism registered as apartheid in the UN.
What these worthies do not point out is that India’s poverty is largely a result of the colonial/Islamic rule and the plight of the Hindus irrespective of their caste was aggravated largely by the arrival of the invaders. It was these invaders who made a mess of the largely rich and peaceful nation called Bharatvarsh. As Swami Vivekananda rightly said: “The Mohammedans brought murder and slaughter in their train, but until their arrival peace prevailed.”
It must be remembered that the Brahmins of India never wielded arms. It was the Kshatriyas who wielded the political power. The Brahmins were the priestly class who survived on patronage. While, it is true that those in the lower end suffered due to domination by the upper caste, it must be pointed out that there were several other factors like Islamic rule and colonialism which led to the social and economic deprivation of the lower as well as higher end of the society. To pin all the blames for the defects of Hindu society on the upper caste needs a huge stretch of imagination, which the Indian media has in plenty. When it comes to conspiracy theory, the creative imagination of the leftists is beyond imagination.
Rejecting Manu Smrithi: Most of the secularists quote the Manu Smriti to embarrass the Hindus. These include scholars, historians and intellectuals of Left-Missionary persuasion. However Manu Smrithi has no validity in Hindu soceity. Manu Smriti is part of Samaja Dharma (which is like a constitution which was valid only during a certain period of time). Hindus have more faith in Sanatana Dharma (texts like Bhagavad Gita). According to several other scholars, the Manu Smrithies suffer from interpolation and cannot be relied upon. Most of the Hindus are ignorant about Manu Smrithies and tend to rely more upon classical texts like the Bhagavad Gita. Besides, Hinduism is self-reforming and corrects its defects as it happened through so many socio-religious-spiritual reformers down the ages. It goes without saying that attempts at Dalit reforms are on in the right earnest in Hindu society, although a lot remains to be done.
VHP on Manu Smrithi: This is what Ashok Singhal, the VHP President wrote: The “Manu Smriti” or the “Yagyavalkya Smriti” has no connection with Adi Manu or the Sage Yagyavalkya. The “Smritis” were written during the reign of Pushyamitra about 2200 years ago. There is no reference of such Smritis in the Mahabharata.
There are two portions in the Smritis – one is ‘Yama’ and the other is ‘Niyama’. ‘Yama’ consists of eternal values while the ‘Niyamas’ were the periodic governing laws or codes of conduct meant for running the affairs of the state of the then kings. There are more than three hundred Smritis. They have little to do with the eternal values of Dharma. These have been responsible for gross discrimination that is alien to our concept of ‘Ekaatmataa’ (Ekaatm Bhaava/Integralism) that is expounded in our ancient scriptures – the Shrutis (the four Vedas – the eternal revealed scriptures) and the Upanishads.Caste untouchability never existed in the Vedas. It is the creation of the Muslim rule because those who put up a fight and did not convert to Islam were punished for their commitment to their indigenous ethos and thrown out of the society as untouchables. These heroic people are enlisted as scheduled castes. We must differentiate between the ‘scheduled castes’ and the ‘Shudras’. Shudras were held with respect before the advent of the Smritis and the scheduled castes are of recent origin created during the muslim rule.
The Vishva Hindu Parishad totally rejects the “Manu Smriti” as it has no place in a civilized society. The Adi Manu Smriti is the Gita as revealed in Chapter IV of the Gita. The Dharma Sansad and the Margadarshak Mandal of Vishva Hindu Parishad constituted of Dharmacharyas, Sants, Mahamandaleshwars and Mahants have totally rejected caste untouchability as prevalent in the Hindu society today. They have decided to give ‘Mantra Deeksha’ without any discrimination.In the Vedas, there is no discrimination amongst the four Varnas. All are considered genius and masterminds in their own fields and all looked upon one another with respect. Recitation of the Vedic Mantras in daily life was practiced by the entire society irrespective of Varna. As for the Ashram Vyavastha, it enabled the individual-self to gradually unfold and expand his/her horizon of consciousness from micro-self through family, creed, nationality and ultimately attained absolute perfection by identifying with the universal self, the omnipresent divine self. Man started his journey as an individual Brahmachari, proceeded to Grihastha Ashram, then Vaanaprastha Ashram when he dedicated himself to the service of humanity, and finally accepted the Sannyaas Ashram in which he had to surrender his individual self at the feet of the divine for ultimate salvation.
September 14th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Mr. Sridhar Gowda if you dont know about Hinduism please keep quite. dont blame brahmins or any caste, because all are the roots of Hindu religion. And you know meaning of Hindu.Its “heenani gunani dhooshayati” means one who tries to remove the bad character of his own. So you born as a hindu. So we can call you as a “Janma hindu”. If you have any bad character, behaviour like opposing brahmins or hinduism please try to remove those character and be a “karma hindu”. eventhough you know about forcefull conversion of these misioneries, you are encouraging them why? you born as a hindu, then why you dont love our dharma. If you are having a spiritual knowledge and you are able to teach it to others you are also abrahmin by karma. if are ready to fight with the enemy and try to save this Bharath Matha then you are a kshatriya. Actually caste system is not there in hindu dharma. 4 varnas are there in hindu dharma according to “Guna and Karma”. First you try to understand these things.Without the knowledge please dont blame about anything hereafter.
September 14th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Deepak Kamat “Dismantling Brahminism is like dismantling humanity.”"
So you call Brahmism as humanity. Can the sringeri seer or udupi brahmins will come and dine with gowdas. Seeing 60Crore hindus as born low in your eyes, and do you call that as humanity. Will the acharyas hug a gowda or an Ediga?
Make sense.. Its because of the brahmic clutch over hinduism, pakistan moved away, and Hindus got converted to Islam, buddhism and Christianity.
And you are talking humanity here..Because the brahmins, who deprived educational right to other castes, india has poor literacy. You are leeches of Hinduism. Better get away. We can manage hinduism without you. Dont shed tears for hinduism, I know, deep in you, brahminism will only be your worry.
September 14th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Mr Pseudo Gowda,
Your impersonation attemps have already proved that your credibility is highly questionable. I am just hoping that you are different from that so called Najeeb.
I am not too sure in what kind of world you are living!!! You claim to be a Gowda that means you belong to a much ‘upper’ caste compared to mine. And, SURPRISE for you – Brahmins report to me. This so called imagination of yours about Brahminical Oppression is absolutely fictional. An ignorant person like you is talking about famous ‘Math’s of Karnataka. Pejavar Shri ji very recently gave a call saying “Dalitare, nimmondige naaviddeve” which means Dear Dalits, we are with you. He declared that he will not hesitate to sit and eat together with Dalits. Your rhetoric is a wasteful of an exercise; you are not at all providing any data points to prove your argument/fiction.
September 15th, 2009 at 4:47 am
> Who divided our Hindu community as Brahmin and Non Brahmin? Who practised varna?
Answers are provided here, will the converted brain have any reasoning ability is the question!
How British invented Caste
http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/caste-as-british-creation/
Why the Brits Wanted to Screw India
http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/04/24/why-the-brits-wanted-to-screw-india/
Caste as British Mischief
http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/1875/
September 15th, 2009 at 4:51 am
EVERY HUMAN BEING SHOULD READ THIS
2000 YEARS of HELL on EARTH
ONGOING GENOCIDESRECENT GENOCIDES
September 15th, 2009 at 4:56 am
> Hindus got converted to Islam, buddhism and Christianity.
Christians NEVER killed a single mosquito! They NEVER raped a single mosquito! They NEVER beheaded a Single mosquito. The proof is here:
2000 YEARS of HELL on EARTH
September 15th, 2009 at 4:57 am
“When the missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the missionaries had the Bible. They taught us to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible.” — Jomo Kenyatta
September 15th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Ha Ha Ha….
Whenever I abuse Christians, the hits in my site goes up.
The Evangelists get very insecure when somebody shakes their strainglehold on media. Now these evangelists are thinking of controlling the internet media too.
September 15th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
My Christian / Evangelist brothers, just think a situation in which some goondas/criminals marched your house disguising some servicemen, had sweet coated talks, after they assumed their original form, vandalized everything, raped your mother/sister and left your home. While going back they met an accident, thus a horrible death and you got the information. What will be your first reaction? A sigh of relief and say “they deserve this!!”? Or do you will say that “this shouldn’t happen to them. What a good work they done, which I wanted to do myself!!!” whatever may be your reactions, most of the people’s will be the first one. Those who don’t know the mischievous past only will sympathize on them. I think now it is clear why some people rejoicing the death of YSR even though ist is condemnable. Infact, YSR was a cult figure in evangelists who vandalized and tried to rape our culture and religious harmony through mass conversions using Govt. machinery.
The cultural invasion is horrifying than the conversions itself. The results of cultural invasion after the globalization era are evident from the rampant use of alcohol, drugs, and open commercialization of sex in the steps of west. I don’t want to tell that we have to be in our shell made up of traditions and culture, just indicating that these all are the side-effects of globalization. The cultural erosion faced by the ethnic communities and adivasis are more horrible than this. Once they embraced the new faith through lure/threatening, they made to reject their roots and rich traditions through which they evolved, survived and existed for many centuries. I am not telling that never they should be modern. Here what happening is not modernizing, but making them to adapt a new faith, by removing their cultural identity. When the missionaries are sure that converted will not go back to their original faith, the supporting system slowly withdrawn and those people will be in a dilemma that they cannot continue in the new one or go back to original faith and culture. This is clear in the consideration of Dalit Christs as Second class Christians. (I am sure that you will oppose this claim, for self-satisfaction). Eventually this will lead to tensions and violence like which we saw in Kandhamal and Gujarat. So this becomes a deceitful and mischievous game plan that spoils others by cultural invasion, targetting the conversion. This is clear in the site Joshua project and all. If you see those sites mentioned by somebody in this forum, it is nothing but war call against other cultures and faiths.
Why this? It is unimaginable that Jesus Christ’s followers can stoop to such a nauseating degraded level. If we take the example of India, how they can tell we are ’spiritually poor’? Before them finding that word, we practiced it, still practicing, but plainly as a personal matter. If you thinking that disturbing the harmony of the society are spirituality, then pity on you!!! (It is amusing me how these evangelists can be ‘spiritual’, when their only intention is conversion, when they knows that their mischievous work will attract objection) violence is not only physical one, but emotional also. When you entering other’s domain without inviting and trying to make unwanted changes in the pattern of the society, definitely it will make friction.
Please tell me if according to Joshua project 100% people in earth becomes Christians what will happen to earth? will become another heaven without violence, immoral activities, incest? if it is so US and other western countries should have been heaven centuries back itself.
Here, in this forum I observed one thing, that twisting Hindu scriptures to their side without understanding single word. Consistently you are telling that Hindu Holy scriptures are full of violence, sexiness and all sort of bad things. You purposely forget to understand the content of lines. You know that Indian Spirituality is not living only on Holy Scriptures like in Christianity/Islam. Also it is through the noble traditions and culture which is respecting whole universe.
Please tell me that by reading any Hindu Holy Scriptures how many people got spoiled? How many people doing rape, murder, arson by the influenza of scriptures? (Not denying that in Hindus also fundamentalists existing). If people doing such things by the influence of Holy Scriptures, then most violent, sex-incest filled book should be Bible. The western countries are far worst than us in these regards. There the culture is so deteriorated that teacher-student sex, all sorts of incest, Swinging, Wife-swapping are rampant than India, where people regard their parents, teachers and all-giving Nature as GOD. Where you can find out such people who before cutting the wood, prays to the tree for forgiving, who seeing teacher, salute with almost respect.
If the evangelists are so noble, why they trying to degrade other faiths? I am sure that most of the Hindus dontav any objection to Jesus Christ, his philosophies, and we respect him as a God. But our objection is only to missionaries who cannot reciprocate our respect and trying to tarnish other faiths and cultures.
Another point is about the caste-system in India. It was a sad fact that existed here like the slavery of Negros in West, particularly in U.S. till last century, like the continuing discrimination of Niiggers (as white calls), like the treatment of Mujahideens in Pakistan, like the issues with Sunni-Shia /Wahabi sects, like the ever-fighting, power hungry denominations of various Christian/Muslim sects. So why only India you highlighting? Answer is clear that, you want to divide the people for ‘HARVESTING THE SOULS’. But forgetting that you are actually harvesting not the souls, but DEAD BODIES by making disharmony is society.
September 15th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
good explanation by Bijoy
September 15th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
gowda
So you call Brahmism as humanity. Can the sringeri seer or udupi brahmins will come and dine with gowdas. Seeing 60Crore hindus as born low in your eyes, and do you call that as humanity. Will the acharyas hug a gowda or an Ediga?
Even they will ,
But y dont to ask blady pope john to dine with poor dalit chiristians. U fool gowda? or innocent recent convert christian that’s why you dont know about our cristianity.
U dont even get burial ground. Untouchablity is very high in chiristianity, Even bomp throwing is happening between two groups in south tamil nadu area chiristian. It would have been better if my fore father would have not been converted to chiristianity just for money. Hindus live a peaceful life ours is mere worldly life.
September 15th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Deepak Konkani Brahmaan kamat, if you have guts talk to me straight as a Gowda Vs GS.Brahmin. Dont drag Christians here, to cover up your brahminic ass. I am a Hindu and Im a trustee for our village temple, where we chucked the ghee eating money swindling pujari.
You brahmins please get out of HInduism. Hinduism is dravidianism and the religion for Brahminism is Varnaism.
You Sarawat Brahmans are already cornered in Karnataka. No more Brahmin chief ministers for Karnataka. Temples are going to be the fellow men of Yeddi’s caste.
So you brahmins, go back to your vedic profession of taking the begging bowl, and knock every doors for alms and ghee..You beggers, you spoiled our Hinduism, for your selfish reasons and benefit for your own community.
Dont dare to even call yourself as a Kannadiga.. You konkana bhamman.
September 16th, 2009 at 7:37 am
Hindu is termed coined by britishers and Mughals…People who live east of sindh river were called hindus …
Casts were occupations like present day poltician son is politician, Actor son is actor etc..same sytem ..Cast system was a social system based on need..business man son knows trick of trade from his childhood…similarly doctors son…
Most of Brahmins are poor they are preists in temple..Kings used Brahmins as tools to subdue the population , same as todays politicans use them as bad people ….Real people to blame are kings and other power holders who used brahmins for there survivals to subdue lower castes….
So hate YSR as much as you hate Brahamins….becuase his son jagan wants to follow the same path…..This son follows father is disease exists accross religions…..As far as christianity is concerned …most dangerous part is forceful conversion we all should resist it …Hinduism by nature doesnot give a damn about cast , anyone can releaize god in himself. .outlookwise it should reorganize and restructure ….
September 16th, 2009 at 8:33 am
> Gowda Vs GS.Brahmin
That’s how we missionaries divide and rule Hindus
> Dont drag Christians here, to cover up your brahminic ass.
Yeah, please forget the hell we have caused and causing now! Don’t ever read this link again
2000 YEARS of HELL on EARTH
September 16th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) American President said:
“The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.”
September 16th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
the arguments are based on racism.Brahmins raemained brahmins by selecting a separate indentity of culture ,behaviour pattern and they were nearer to temples and some scriptures.they were wooed by kings because of the respect and their non-economic ways which concentrated all material wealth in Kings and such ruler class.
Further the christians were against muslims even now.All crusades and wars against the middle east muslims were by Europeans.
Hindus and Bhudists are small slices which they want to take into their fold by supplanting them by material wealth and by conversion.They think number is is important.
I consider all religions as wasteful congregations.Some racial groups like brahmins tried to preserve the genetic purity in diection by marriages amongst themselves.
Any body will agree that the chritians aand muslims are not pure racial groups.Trying to unite all via god and temples is a old stratagy in which brahmins have failed.Others like chritians and muslims still persist.
God and thinking of God can only relieve the genetic stress which is imaginary.Also these groupism is for hidden agendas by many.some have money some have power and some have fear in mind. they follw the religious gurus to avoid their failure in other fronts like politics and economics.
Stop all these wasteful discussions and try to innovate and discover trechnology and increase the living conditions of all people.
September 16th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Dear Mr Gouda
can you CHUCK the Brahmanism within you? Thereafter you speak about the chucking of the Brahmins from the Temple.
Your policy is fencing around you saying something vomiting something dividing on the basis of language. there are so many having guts to talk with you.
Mr. Gowda Yes brahmins are eating ghee but you dont no they are eating the sins of YOUR’S AND your forefathers also.
Even the islam and Christias for last two thousand years fought against Sananthana Dharma. But ouyr Dharma stood for all those years and till now it is world famous.
This Dharma was flown among us due to the specific nature in it. Our Dharma is not like Greek ar other which were perished without having followers.
Reason for the sastainability you have to understand through History.
Otherwise your saying that you are the temple trustee has no value.
Can you take out brahmanism from yourself then only ? you cannot understand the question.
So please understand the truth. Where Brahman is there there is Gods.
So no need of vedic culture to wander for alms and ghee..You only hgave to beg before the Vedic /brahmnism.
Only branhmnism saved our Hinduism, with their generous way. therefor you are here saying that “I am Hindu”.
Otherwise there was no gowda or Kannadiga………..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED TO COME UP DO NOT PULL OTHERS.
September 23rd, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Well every body said good I really appreciate all of you, and i am confused whom do i support should i as a christian, or as an indian well leave it all those who wrote blelong to defferent caste and creed, I every body has failed to understand the truth be it a Hindu brother or a Muslim or a dalit christian, one thing we forget at these time is the destiny every humen has to die one day or the another, and if you are so Upset of your hindu treditions that our CM has misused his power or what ever you blame for, you may be right and if you think you are right then what happen to Rajiv gandhi, Madhava Reddy, Soundarya, Balayogi, and so on and what did they do, and above all at many places of worship be it a Kumbakonam iam not very sure about the names be it Ayyappa temple in Kerala so Many People & Children die in Stampade and what do you call theese kind of death’s do youwant us to name it a curse from god dear friend please use your skills for the the upliftment of our indian society Jai Hind and god bless you
September 24th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Monkey Gods.. You all should admire..
Natural Gods of Hinduism like Monkey, disfigured child gods with 10 hands, and a flirting God and butter stealing god..
Hinduism is great, and one need to struggle to explore, thought its declining fast in India