Useless Librehan Report leaked: What’s new?
Whenever something untoward takes place, a Commission of Inquiry by a Retired Judge is constituted. He spends public money (Rs. 8 crore to be precise) and tables a report which contains nothing new. This is not what I am saying. This is what the former CBI Director Joginder Singh said. And I endorse his contents fully. Now let me tell you why Librehan Commission report is useless.
For this, I have to go back in time when Babur demolished Ram Temple in Ayodhya because he believed in the Koran — which tells the believers to either convert or kill the Kafirs (Hindus)/trouble him to the max.
Now after independence, it was incumbent on us to destroy Babri Mosque (after all, it was built after demolishing the Mandir. Even the ASI report said so).
But the pseudoseculars in Congress party aided by the Leftists and Muslim separatists made all bids to rebuild Ram Mandir impossible.
As a historical corrective, the Hindus grouped together and pulled down that dirty structure called Babri Mosque on December 6, 1992.
Hindus should celebrate this day as “Hindu Rennaissance Day”. We are proud of the demolition and are keen to see a Ram Mandir soon.
The useless Librehan Report might be good for a political witch hunt. But for us Hindus, the Retired Judge better go to sleep.
-----Email: greathindu@in.com
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November 24th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
I agree with Deepakji that Dec.6th should be celebrated as “Hindu Renaissance Day”.This is essential, since the pseudo-seculars are hell-bent on observing the Anniversary of the demolition of the dilapidated Babri structure, which was a symbol of shame for the majority Hindus of Hindustan. The corrupt, communal and votebank-hungry Congress party is squarely responsible for the pathetic plight of Hindus in independent India, even after sacrificing a sizeable part of the country for creating an independent Pakistan for the muslims. Our tormentors for a thousand years are being treated as ‘minorities’ and given special privileges, whereas we peaceful Hindus have been treated as second-class citizens in our own land by the pseudo-seculars, for the sake of the votes and notes of these political religionists, who are in over-whelming majority all over the world. The primary duty of all Hindu organizations and the BJP is to expose the true nature of the vile Con party of India.
November 25th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Deepak, I have not posted the comment above. People, get your own unique names. Don’t copy existing names.
November 25th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
@ S,
I can gauge that by the standard of the language. It will be deleted.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:56 am
@vijayalakhsmi -”Dec.6th should be celebrated as “Hindu Renaissance Day”.
December 6 celebrated as hindu reneissance day by hindu terrrorists then 26-11 may be celebrated by muslim renaissance by muslim terrorists.
The perpetrators of terror from pakistani or indian should be severely dealt with.
The weak congress government under narasimha rao failed to do that . Cobngress needs strong leaders like Indira gandhi who could have smashed testicles of Vajapayi Advani Vinay khatare sudarshan and all those hindu terrorists and by this time BJP would have known as a party of hijdas( without testicles) indeed.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
^^^^
STUPID LOGIC FROM DUPLICATE S.
Hindus did not kill innocents through bomb blasts. They only wanted a Sacred Temple back (which was destroyed by the Islamic terrorist Babur in 1528 AD).
Get your logic right.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
To duplicate S: i fully agree with Deepakji. the language of this S is typical muslim one, so no surprise. these Muslims can go to any extremes. i request Deepakji to ban such comments. they don’t have brains, so no question of logic. regards.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
@ Sandesh,
Sometimes such arguments are cheap entertainments. So I keep it.
November 26th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
“STUPID LOGIC FROM DUPLICATE S. …………………
Get your logic right.” – Said the great logician Deepakji
And here is another quote
“Our tormentors for a thousand years are being treated as ‘minorities’ and given special privileges, whereas we peaceful Hindus have been treated as second-class citizens in our own land by the pseudo-seculars, for the sake of the votes and notes of these political religionists, who are in over-whelming majority all over the world” – Vijayalakshmiji
Since our resident logician has no problem with this opinion(at least he has not said so), let us deconstruct it.
i) ”Our tormentors for a thousand years are being treated as ‘minorities’ and given special privileges”
So the tormentors are the same for the last thousand years. The problem is that longevity of human life is about 100 yrs only. Nobody so far, lived for thousand yrs. If you consider population groups, – becoz the entire community is called tormentors- the life expectancy will be still lesser than that. So how could it be that the tormentors are the same for the last thousand years?
ii) “for the sake of the votes and notes of these political religionists”
So it is for the sake of votes that Congress is treating the peaceful Hindus as 2nd class citizens and favouring the minorities, who agreeably are a majority in the entire world. But since the entire human population in the world does not participate in the Indian elections and only Indian citizens do so, let us consider Indians only. Among them, HIndus are the majority.
Then logic says that congress should be wooing the Hindus for votes and not the minority!
How is this not happening?
Is it that congress so dumb that it could not realise even this simple logic for the last 60 over yrs? If that is the case, then how come the supposedly Hindu wooing BJP is being continuously defeated in the elections?
Or is it that the demands of peaceful Hindus are so troubling that nobody can meet?
Or is it that the majority of Indians, see themselves as Indians and not a religious blocks and care other matters which they think congress is meeting or addressing?
Could some logicians enlighten ?!
November 27th, 2009 at 9:18 am
@ Najeeb,
I can deconstruct your logic. But since the words were not mine, I would expect Vijayalaxmi to do so?
November 27th, 2009 at 11:26 am
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@ Najeebji,
This is in ref to your post #8.
“So the tormentors are the same for the last thousand years. The problem is that longevity of human life is about 100 yrs only. Nobody so far, lived for thousand yrs. If you consider population groups, – becoz the entire community is called tormentors- the life expectancy will be still lesser than that. So how could it be that the tormentors are the same for the last thousand years?”
If i can comprehend correctly what you are trying to oppose is the belief and perception of the people who bracket the entire community as Tormentors. However, you think that its unfair to do so because those who Tormented are dead now so it is irrational to treat the present day community members of the dead Tormentors with the same yard stick.
People in India can forget the past but Unfortunately, It is the doing of our neighbor Pakistan which doesn’t let Hindus (of India, they have persecuted majority in Pakistan and Bangladesh by the way) forget its past. Pakistan is not fighting India as a country it is fighting in the name of Islam. It is the doing of Muslims of Kashmir which doesn’t let Hindus forget the Past. As if there were not enough wound for the Hindus of India to forget the past It is the doing of the Muslim community around the world which corroborates the perception.
So it is for the sake of votes that Congress is treating the peaceful Hindus as 2nd class citizens and favouring the minorities, who agreeably are a majority in the entire world. But since the entire human population in the world does not participate in the Indian elections and only Indian citizens do so, let us consider Indians only. Among them, HIndus are the majority.
Then logic says that congress should be wooing the Hindus for votes and not the minority!
How is this not happening?
Is it that congress so dumb that it could not realise even this simple logic for the last 60 over yrs? If that is the case, then how come the supposedly Hindu wooing BJP is being continuously defeated in the elections?
The reason why congress wins is not because majority of the Hindus vote it to power. It wins because majority of the Hindus do not vote.
It is well known fact that the average percentage of electorate turn out in India in elections remains less than 50%. So, whichever party either alone or in coalition garners around 24-25% vote governs the country. Muslim population in India is around 15% and majority of them vote congress or any other but BJP. Other minority accounts for 6% population. Hindus account for 78-80%.
Now, assuming 9% Muslims vote and 1% other minorities vote to Congress. It requires around 15% Hindus to vote Congress in. So Majority of the Hindus do not vote Congress in. It is indeed not voting by the Hindus to any party brings Congress in. When majority of the Hindus voted (when instigated) BJP came to power in 1998. BJP back stabbed Hindus. Didn’t fulfilled its said promises rather took a complete u turn and was again voted out in 2004, as majority of the Hindus refrained from voting to any party.
Why does majority of the Muslims vote and why does congress plays its pro-muslim propaganda card in every election??
Those Indians who are so called educated DO NOT VOTE unfortunately (I include myself). Those who are well off financially do not vote. In Lok sabha 2009 Mumbai election. I thought people will come out of their houses in thick numbers and vote out the ruling congress, after the 26/11. It was 45% voter turnout can you believe it.
It appears that that majority of the people who vote are relatively less well off financially in that particular constituency compared to those who do not vote. Why others do not vote and what should be done to involve everyone is another issue.
Now, it is very unfortunate that the condition of the Muslims, financially, is appalling in India. They are amongst the most illiterate or less educated community and constitute over 30% of the jail inmates see Sachar Committee report (By the way the number of jail inmates in India is amongst the smallest in the World). So they are more likely to vote and the other reason for the Muslim community to vote in large blocks is to keep BJP out (it is largely believed). I do not know of any evidence, which proves so.
“Or is it that the majority of Indians, see themselves as Indians and not a religious blocks and care other matters which they think congress is meeting or addressing?”
I wish if that was the case. In 2009 Lok sabha election Mr. Mohd. Azharadun (former Indian Cricket captain) contested M.P election from Moradabad, U.P (Moradabad has over 60% Muslim population). Though he is a native of Hyderabad but was fielded from Moradabad by Congress. Why??
Now, I’m not singling out Azhar or congress for doing this but it is the ground reality the way things work in India, and is very common. I don’t know where you live but saying that majority of the Indians see themselves as Indians and not as a religious block during Election time (or during rioting) is completely baseless and childish.
I don’t know what matters Congress has addressed beautifully.
Or is it that the demands of peaceful Hindus are so troubling that nobody can meet?
Here you are going overboard. You yourself bracketing the entire Hindu population for raising unmeet able demands (going by your words), which pissed you off at the first place. By the way can you please list some of the demand of the Hindus?
November 27th, 2009 at 11:28 am
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@ Najeebji,
This is in ref to your post #8.
“So the tormentors are the same for the last thousand years. The problem is that longevity of human life is about 100 yrs only. Nobody so far, lived for thousand yrs. If you consider population groups, – becoz the entire community is called tormentors- the life expectancy will be still lesser than that. So how could it be that the tormentors are the same for the last thousand years?”
If i can comprehend correctly what you are trying to oppose is the belief and perception of the people who bracket the entire community as Tormentors. However, you think that its unfair to do so because those who Tormented are dead now so it is irrational to treat the present day community members of the dead Tormentors with the same yard stick.
People in India can forget the past but Unfortunately, It is the doing of our neighbor Pakistan which doesn’t let Hindus (of India, they have persecuted majority in Pakistan and Bangladesh by the way) forget its past. Pakistan is not fighting India as a country it is fighting in the name of Islam. It is the doing of Muslims of Kashmir which doesn’t let Hindus forget the Past. As if there were not enough wound for the Hindus of India to forget the past It is the doing of the Muslim community around the world which corroborates the perception.
So it is for the sake of votes that Congress is treating the peaceful Hindus as 2nd class citizens and favouring the minorities, who agreeably are a majority in the entire world. But since the entire human population in the world does not participate in the Indian elections and only Indian citizens do so, let us consider Indians only. Among them, HIndus are the majority.
Then logic says that congress should be wooing the Hindus for votes and not the minority!
How is this not happening?
Is it that congress so dumb that it could not realise even this simple logic for the last 60 over yrs? If that is the case, then how come the supposedly Hindu wooing BJP is being continuously defeated in the elections?
The reason why congress wins is not because majority of the Hindus vote it to power. It wins because majority of the Hindus do not vote.
It is well known fact that the average percentage of electorate turn out in India in elections remains less than 50%. So, whichever party either alone or in coalition garners around 24-25% vote governs the country. Muslim population in India is around 15% and majority of them vote congress or any other but BJP. Other minority accounts for 6% population. Hindus account for 78-80%.
Now, assuming 9% Muslims vote and 1% other minorities vote to Congress. It requires around 15% Hindus to vote Congress in. So Majority of the Hindus do not vote Congress in. It is indeed not voting by the Hindus to any party brings Congress in. When majority of the Hindus voted (when instigated) BJP came to power in 1998. BJP back stabbed Hindus. Didn’t fulfilled its said promises rather took a complete u turn and was again voted out in 2004, as majority of the Hindus refrained from voting to any party.
Why does majority of the Muslims vote and why does congress plays its pro-muslim propaganda card in every election??
Those Indians who are so called educated DO NOT VOTE unfortunately (I include myself). Those who are well off financially do not vote. In Lok sabha 2009 Mumbai election. I thought people will come out of their houses in thick numbers and vote out the ruling congress, after the 26/11. It was 45% voter turnout can you believe it.
It appears that that majority of the people who vote are relatively less well off financially in that particular constituency compared to those who do not vote. Why others do not vote and what should be done to involve everyone is another issue.
Now, it is very unfortunate that the condition of the Muslims, financially, is appalling in India. They are amongst the most illiterate or less educated community and constitute over 30% of the jail inmates see Sachar Committee report (By the way the number of jail inmates in India is amongst the smallest in the World). So they are more likely to vote and the other reason for the Muslim community to vote in large blocks is to keep BJP out (it is largely believed). I do not know of any evidence, which proves so.
“Or is it that the majority of Indians, see themselves as Indians and not a religious blocks and care other matters which they think congress is meeting or addressing?”
I wish if that was the case. In 2009 Lok sabha election Mr. Mohd. Azharadun (former Indian Cricket captain) contested M.P election from Moradabad, U.P (Moradabad has over 60% Muslim population). Though he is a native of Hyderabad but was fielded from Moradabad by Congress. Why??
Now, I’m not singling out Azhar or congress for doing this but it is the ground reality the way things work in India, and is very common. I don’t know where you live but saying that majority of the Indians see themselves as Indians and not as a religious block during Election time (or during rioting) is completely baseless and childish.
I don’t know what matters Congress has addressed beautifully.
Or is it that the demands of peaceful Hindus are so troubling that nobody can meet?
Here you are going overboard. You yourself bracketing the entire Hindu population for raising unmeet able demands (going by your words), which pissed you off at the first place. By the way can you please list some of the demand of the Hindus?
November 27th, 2009 at 11:29 am
@ Deepakji,
Apologies for the repeat posting, but something wrong with the font style etc.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Dear Vijailaxmiji,
Namaste,
I disagree and it hurts to listen that people in India say that Hindus did not had GUTS to match Mohammedan Invasion. Had that been the case you would have been Muslim so do I and Deepakji and Others.
Even after 1300 years of continuous invasion by Mohammedans, Hindus are still around 50% of the population of INDIA + Pakistan + Bangladesh + Afghanistan. (majority of the remaining 50 % who are Mohammedans now, will find their Hindu lineage if they dig up).
So if 50% of the population is Hindu still, it was not because of Mohammedan benevolence to Hindus of this region. It was due to hard battle. Why we lost the other 50% to Mohammedan (got converted and multiplied over time) is due to our faults other than having NO GUTS, like not uniting at times, wrong decisions etc. etc.
But please, please do not say that again.
Regards
Aashish
November 27th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
@ Aashish Singh,
November 27th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
@ Vijailaxmiji,
Castes ism was never such a bane to force people of low caste leave Hinduism. Had that been the case there would be no mention of Low caste now as all of them would have converted.
I agree that there was caste system during that time. But castes ism was never that big a issue to suppress low caste people so as to force them out to convert their religion given a choice. Had that been the case they would have converted to Jainism, Buddhism long before the coming of Mohammedans.
There are numerous instances where people of low caste had been king and rulers, so caste was not such a big issue. The present state of castesim that we see in India is the giving of Britishers (http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/what-caste-actually-was-like/) and unfortunately followed by the present day politicians.
It was the agenda of the Mohammedans to converted the local populace to Islam on the point of the sword and force them to lead the life strictly by the laid down principles, so that the following generations followed their religion all by itself.
“Hinduism survived because no one follows the same faith because each place you travel you will find a different god or godess because hindus worshipped the thing that they feared most and they worshipped it. say it rain fire kali or vayu or anything AND IT IS THIS NATURE OF US HINDUS TO WOSHIP THE THING THAT WE FEAR MADE MOHAMADDEANS ESTABLISH THIR EMPIRE HERE.
(sorry for being blunt)”
The above paragraph, Doesn’t make sense at all.
Further the religion of the Hindus is not of worshiping the many Gods and Godesses but the teachings of the VEDAS and Upanishads. The decline in the following of the Vedic teachings, resulted in the formation of the castesism and formation of these No. of Gods and Godesses and not due to “fear”. Please visit (http://www.vedmandir.com/), it might help to clear your myths.
Best Regards
Aashish
November 27th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Dear Ashish,
“If i can comprehend correctly what you are trying to oppose is the belief and perception of the people who bracket the entire community as Tormentors.”
But my main point was that it is foolish or often dangerous to hold people responsible for the perceived crimes that was committed since last thousand years. It is simple. They were not born in those times.
Further more, as i have writeen in another post, ancestors, who lived in those times of invasion, of many or even most members of minority communities might have not seen the invaders and might not have participated in the invasion.
“People in India can forget the past but Unfortunately, It is the doing of our neighbor Pakistan which doesn’t let Hindus (of India, they have persecuted majority in Pakistan and Bangladesh by the way) forget its past.”
Even if it is so, still it is unfair to hold the present day minority persons.
“Pakistan is not fighting India as a country it is fighting in the name of Islam.”
May be or may not be. However, even if it is true, those indians of islamic faith are not responsible for that and they should not asked to answer for that. If you do so, that is called guilty by association.
“The reason why congress wins is not because majority of the Hindus vote it to power. It wins because majority of the Hindus do not vote. …..Now, assuming 9% Muslims vote and 1% other minorities vote to Congress. It requires around 15% Hindus to vote Congress in. ”
I was not talking about who is responsible for voting congress. I dont have statistics on voting trends based on communities. I assume you too dont have it – that is why you are assuming. But a simple calculation will show that 10% of 15 will be lower than 10% of 78-80%. Anyway, since your premise is an assumption, I dont want to proceed any further.
But the original point was that Congress is wooing minorities for votes. Then, it seems to me that the policy makers of congress are idiots for the past 60 yrs. They should be wooing the majority community. It is unbelievable to think that they dont realise it.
But my point was that if congress was wooing minorities for votes,
it should be adopting policies to appease majority. That is simple real politic.
“They are amongst the most illiterate or less educated community and constitute over 30% of the jail inmates see Sachar Committee report (By the way the number of jail inmates in India is amongst the smallest in the World).”
A stereotypical view is creeping in. The crimes originates largely because of circumstances, as I understand. If the crime rate is calculated among the financially low classes, I believe it would be almost same for across all the communities. But this is an assumption- i have no statistics, so you can ignore it.
I would like to see the supporting data for India having less jail mates. If it is so, is it because our judiciary is less efficient. I have read recently that there are hudreds of thousand of cases are pending. So if we fix a time line and close all the pending cases, it could be different. What do you think?
“congress for doing this but it is the ground reality the way things work in India, and is very common. I don’t know where you live but saying that majority of the Indians see themselves as Indians and not as a religious block during Election time (or during rioting) is completely baseless and childish.”
“Here you are going overboard. You yourself bracketing the entire Hindu population for raising unmeet able demands (going by your words), which pissed you off at the first place”
I did not conclude anything. Just exploring different possibilities only.
“By the way can you please list some of the demand of the Hindus?”
At least some percentage of Hindu community have views that cant be called benign – as you seem to think. This site, together with many others proove it. But pls dont try to justify it as reactionary.
I have something to say about your reply to Vijaya. I think it is not right to give communal color to history. Who has not invaded who? YOu have read what the rulers of our Golden period did. They too invaded other countries to ‘unburden the earth by killing the mlechhas’ It would be interesting to note if the present day population of that part of the world still holds grudge against Indians!
Which so called princely state has not attacked another princely state ? Samudragupta incorporated 30 over kingdoms and it contined up to modern times and still continues.
What I am saying is that in those days, it was a norm to invade and conquer. Tell me who has not done it?
November 27th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Dear Vijyalakshmi,
Firstly, let me say one thing – you have a name that i like very much!
“But muslims are minority i agree and i also agree that hindus are impotent and couldnot withstand powerful mighy muslim invaders time again because either we were too scared for life or infighting among ourselves but he most important reason being NO GUT among hindus except a few called shivaji and ranapratzap singh but muslims were not a match to them and it required either Ram or Krishna to be re-incarnated to save the hindus.”
Sorry that I could not comprehend it fully. In the first part, you are saying the invading muslims were powerful and Hindus could not resist them. Then you site two possible reasons. U r stating the obvious. If Hindus had the ability to resist the invasion, it would not have happened. I dont see any reason why someone should object it.
The only difference I have is in naming the invaders and defenders according to their religious affiliation. IN those days and sometimes even now, it was a common feature, regardless of the faith, to invade, wage war and conquer other lands. People have done it since the beginning of the time, it seems!
Then you mentions some main reasons, but you did not spell out!
“Congress should be applauded for it stood like a watchman when hindus demolished the mosque and caused the whole country to fall into communal divide which was a plan hatched by Pakistani ISI ”
I am not sure if congress should be applauded or admonished for causing the whole country to fall into communal divide. This statement of yours also proves that it is with that demolition the communal hatred reached a flash point in the country.
I dont know about the ISI part. Do u have some prrof?
“….Lakshr e toyba backing Advani who is a pakistani national from karachi into starting rath yathra. The Bjp gained so much from this because it got money power from pakistan to fight elections, divide the country by rel;igion and securing hindu votes for it so that with that fanatic idealogy they could come back to power from just 2 MPs to 162, with all thanks to Pakistan for it backed BJP in making india weaker by communal divide which is present even now because both communities harbour so much hatred against each other and this platform is one such to vomit the hatred on carries in his heart.”
Now, now, are you the same person? the person who wrote the first post?
I am not sure of the ISI backing Advani. Do you have or seen any proof?
With regards to your post to Ashish, I generally agree with it and would like to add the following:
The common or poor people – I dont know if they can be called HIndus, because I read that when lower caste people tried to push for their right to walk on the public roads in Kerala, the high caste people opposed it saying that if we allow them to do so, later they will claim that they are HIndus! - did not have a sense of being. We cant blame them for that as the cituation was so terrible for them, it seems. Thus they were not ready for fighting. They did not see any point in fighting any invaders.
The same character of common men was observed in the independence struggle. UNtill the entry of Gandhiji.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
“I can deconstruct your logic. But since the words were not mine, I would expect Vijayalaxmi to do so?” – So says Deepakji
But he has no qualms to reply to the duplicate S, which he addressed to Vijayalaxmi. No wonder, consistency is an anthema here!
November 27th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Dear Deepakji and Asishji.
The postings No.13 and 15 are not mine. They should be deleted. Najeebji, Congress is a vile, corrupt and communal party. Otherwise how can they divide people along caste and communal lines, and categorize them as ‘minorities’, majority etc, which is totally arbitrary? All Indians should have been treated as equals, and scholarships given based on economic criterion. It is a well-known fact that Muslims and Christians think and vote as Muslims and Christians, because they are not really secular, but a Hindu never thinks in terms of religion. His religion is a personal affair between him and his God, because Hinduism is truly spiritual and is known as Dharma, and Sanatana Dharma is for the whole of mankind. It is for this same reason that a Hindu does not differentiate or discriminate between people, and has respect for all creations of God. Hindus are by nature secular. It is only the pseudo-secular politicians and the aggressive political religionists who have disturbed the benign Hindu to a certain extent. The injustice meted out to the Hindus in India is unparelelled. I am sure Najeebji knows the status of Hindus in Muslim countries. He should think impartially and not twist facts.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
A secular Govt should not interfere in the religious affairs of any community. But the Congress party declared Haj subsidies, which are not granted by any Govt any where in the world. At the same time Hindu temples are being controlled and temple funds and properties misused by the Govt departments. The money given as Haj subsidy should have been used for providing basic infrastructure such as good roads, providing potable drinking water, sanitation facilities, providing education for all, without discrimination. But the Congress created the minority-majority divide among Indians and the caste equations, which the British devised for their ‘divide and rule’ policy. Now the Congress party is worse than the British. It is the Congress party which has divided the people and caused the unpleasant communal divide.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
DK,
It is Hindus who believe the malicious stories about their religious heads, who should be kicked in their arse! The Kanchi pontiff has studied the Vedas and is a karmayogi. He has been helping the dalits and other poor people in many ways. This has enraged the satanic christists, who have bribed the atheist elements to frame the sanyasi, because he is an impediment to their conversion schemes. In Orissa, these christists bribed the extremist maoists to murder Swami Lakshmanananda and four of his disciples, because he was a hurdle to their aggressive evangelisation. Please know that christists are funding insurgents everywhere for their own vested interests.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
@Vijaylakshmi,
Actually it were the civilizational values of the Kshatriyas that are responsible for us losing territory to the muhammadan mobs. Kshatriyas never killed those that dropped their arms in battlefield, and simply could not kill those who were grovelling at their feet for mercy (think Prithviraj Chauhan). It took a 1000 year of invasions, looting, destruction of temples, and genocides of Hindus before people like Shivaji and Guru Gobind Singh understood what needs to be done. The Marathas were muslim hunters, and killed them where they found them ; whereas Guru Gobind Singh created a new order of Kshatriyas to battle the beastlike muslims, and they did not take any prisoners either. The muhammadans are just that – subanimal scum driven to madness by the example of uswa-hasana, al-insan-al-kamil (this is the title of muhammad in the Koran), and only these people understood that these completely evil people need to be exterminated, not just defeated. Do check out the movie Fitna on a thread below to know what the Koran commands.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:22 am
Actually it were the civilizational values of the Kshatriyas that are responsible for us losing territory to the muhammadan mobs. Kshatriyas never killed those that dropped their arms in battlefield, and simply could not kill those who were grovelling at their feet for mercy (think Prithviraj Chauhan). – S
This is just white wash only. From the times of epics, as everyone else in the history, Hindus had employed all kinds of cheating to kill in the war. The methods employed by Lrd Krishna – like in the killing of Drona, Drupadan, Jayadrudan etc – are examples from Mahabharata. Lord Rama has destroyed the entire Lanka to rescue his wife, Sita, only to be abandoned later! The same trend continued: Samudragupta of the famous Gupta dynasty has killed Mlechhas to unburden the earth – these mlechhas were living in far away lands and they never attacked India. We can see the same trends even in modern times too.
I am talking about Hindus only becoz that is the topic, as HiIndus are protrayed as superhumans while other are described as ’subanimals’. This is needless to say, is a supremacist view. Not the vasudhaivakudumbagam or the internationalism. The duplicity is of course nauseating.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:07 am
@ Vijayalaxmi,
I am deleting the comments that you mentioned as well as blockedthe IP address of the impersonator.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:15 am
@ DK,
Sex scandals are very common. Besides, the video quality is very poor. I can frame anybody in a blue film by superimposing anybody’s face. And even if it is true, sex is human nature. No need to make a big fuss about it. Don’t you have gay Mullahs and Paedophile Padres?
November 28th, 2009 at 8:20 am
The Najeeb dogma
November 28th, 2009 at 11:48 am
“vijayashanthi Says:
@Najeeb- Lord Rama has destroyed the entire Lanka to rescue his wife, Sita, only to be abandoned later!
What a pitiable statement from a follower of maohammad. And what did mohammd command?. That the wives of prosoners are his ow prpperty and he has the right to f*** around with them because they have lost the battle and become conquebines of the conqueror.
About sri ram less said the better. As a husband he knew that he had to rescue her but knowing Ravan wel ********************************** and how can he trust his wife when he knew as God that sita was a lier.”
I really do not expect much from brainwashed christian cultists, who believe that jebus is their saviour and everything else is false. Who believe that biblegod ***** Mary and jebus therefore was not born Jewish, but christian. Who believe that once you accept jebus as your wholesole broker of souls you are free to kill 6 million Jews (Hitler was a Roman Catholic). Who believe that those who do not accept jebus as the wholesole broker of souls will go to hell, which also is created by his father – the biblegod, and be sodomized by demons for all eternity. Incidentally, the father of jebus, the biblegod, is also jebus. He ****** his own momma, Mary, and was born as jebus. So jebus is his own father.
The nonsense that you see in the paragraph above is what the holy bible states, not I. Like I said, I do not expect much from brainwashed christian cultists, but at least try and make some sense when you are posting online. I know rational thinking is beyond people who think that Earth is only 6000 years old and medicine is bad for you because jebus cures all, but do try not to come across as a complete retard (tough when one is a complete retard, I understand).
November 28th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
“dharmanu Says:
The links posted by DK about the Kanchi high padre is shocking. How these padres are fooling the people by preaching vedanta while indulging in these immoral acts.”
Another fundie christian.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
“Why are you blaming christians if they believe jesus was god himself became human being. If you dont believe plz dont do it as no one is making you believe it by gun-point.”
Actually, the cult of christianity was spread at gun point (or sword point). The cult of christianity is responsible for genocides across Europe (starting point of this cult), Americas (North and South), Africa (christians are still murdering the native Africans), Asia (do read the history of Goa and Korea). The True Christians tortured non-christians to death. Do you know about the inquisitions ?
f at all there is one religion which stands for morals it is christianity
If murder is moral, then certainly the cult of christianity is the one cult (not religion) that takes the first prize, islam being a close second.
“but i dont want to convert into it because christians donot follow themselves and lead a different way of life than what is taught by jesus.”
You are lying outright when you say that you are not a christian. You are a full fledged converted christian fundie, and jesus did say ” Matthew 10:34 – “I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword”. The bible allows christians to murder non-christians, because they are “pagans” and “heathens” and when they die they will go to hell and be sodomized by demons because they did not accept jesus as the wholesole savoiur.
“more over just imagine kinti too went same life as mary but she deserted the baby (karan) unlike mary”
Get this thing straight. Mahabharata is a book. It is not a total way of life as the bible claims itself to be.
“About mary and jesus’s birth even koran mentions that mary was virgin and jesus was god’s word and spirit”
You are not stupid. You passed that point when you converted to the vile cult of christianity. There is a thread below that has “Fitna the movie”. Fitna was made by a European who is also a parliamentarian who sees the islamization of Europe as a major problem, which it is. So if you are trying to find allies in islam, do understand that they will kill you at the end even if you succeed in wiping out Hinduism.
“Even thousands of years down the line jesus’ birth was predicted that virgin would give birth to the savier because it is no human sin but god’s plan of salvation to mankind which was predicted by most of the profets of kuran as well as bible. so dont fret and bark like a mad dog. take knti in a similar position ****************.”
The predictions that you in your ignorance are referring to belong to non-christian faiths. Egyptians, Pharisees (oh ! them unholy heathens), and Pagans of Europe. As for reference to the Koran, I can only say RETARD !
“About ram i said because sri ram knew as god that sita was a lier and ravan **********************************.
plz dont think i am a cristeon to say so but i am a hindu who says what is wrong is wrong.
just now some one pointed out even after seeing video of dirty kanchi seer doing unimaginable should be condemned rather than cover up which alone will cleanse our faith.”
Like I said in my post above – try not to come across as a complete retard. I know it is hard for brainwashed christian cultists to think rationally and write posts that make sense, but do try all the same. There is still hope that you might one day be a human being.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Deepak,
Can we have some registration for this site too, so we can get rid of these stupid fakies for better? Seems they are not bold enough to retain their unique IDs.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
“DK Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
@S ..
Truth hurts buddy but it would hurt for a long time if you dont accept it and live with it with the pain because hinduism has its limitations and instead of pointing fingers at other faiths let us examine ourselves and cleanse hinduism because it needs renaissance badly lest we lose any integrity. dont call me a padre at least because i am not and i wish we could solve the problem menacing our souls by corrupt spiritual and political leaders and fanatic mentality.”
Oh yes buddy, the truth hurts. The truth is that Hindus do not have a channel called as NDTV with Prannoy Roy as its owner, his full name being Prannoy James Roy, a fundamentalist christian cultist funded by the Vatican to spread confusion among the heathens of India. The truth is, the Hindus do not control IBN, and Rajdeep Sardesai is a full fledged fundie christian. The truth is that Sonia Gandhi’s full name is Sonia Antonio Maino, her son’s name is Raul John Paul, and her daughter’s name is Bianca Vadera. The truth is that the cult of christianity is responsible for genocides across continents, and is even now trying to take control of America, the most powerful military force on Earth.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
@ All,
Please do not stoop to the level of — who slept with whom — conspiracy theories. It is certainly not intellectual. I don’t like it.
If I am permitted, I can also quote PBUH who married 6-year old Ayesha and deflorated her on her 9th birthday.
Sorry, I am not interested in sex-stuff in this site. Each one is born out of sex. Each one of us has an element of erotica in us. Nothing wrong in it. But, there is no need to discuss it in this forum.
As for the Hindu view of Sex, I have written about it elsewhere.
If you spend too much time talking about sex, remember you have repressed it.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
@ Sangeetha,
Separate registration are a real pain in the neck.. Let us continue this way. If there is an discrepancy among comments, the scissor is always with me.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
dharmanu Says:
to S,shekhar and all other similar people, why can’t you prove what is posted about the kanchi padre is false instead of accusing other religious people?.
What “religious people” are you talking about ? Would one of them be Prannoy James Roy going by the name of Prannoy Roy ? Or Suzanne Arundhati Roy going by the name of Arundhati Roy ? Or Sonia Antonio Maino going under the name of Sonia Gandhi ? Or Raul John Paul going by the name of Rahul Gandhi ?
Are you talking about the religious people who were responsible for genocides across Europe, America (North and South), Asia, Africa, and the Pacific islands ?
November 28th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Deepakji,
Please delete all the vulgar comments here, e.g.,No.28. These perverted people who are actually non-Hindus assuming Hindu names, are exposing their lack of culture. It is really nauseating. Most of them are wicked christists and atheists, who have no regard for moral values. All these people are deliberately cooking up false stories about Hindus and Hindu icons with ulterior motives. They are so prejudiced that they do not try to understand the concept of Dharma, which is central to Hinduism.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:37 am
Don’t you have gay Mullahs and Paedophile Padres?- So says the great logician Deepakji
Any crime can justified by pointing out similar crimes committed by other! Great logic, indeed and a great sense of justice.
PS: I have not seen the said videos, so i am not making this in reference to the links or saying he was involved in the scandal.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:46 am
@ All,
I am deleting all those posts which reek of sexuality (videos and the f word).
The “Who-Slept-with-Whom” conspiracy theories just cannot be proved. And even if they could be proved, it is of little significance.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Deepak, please pass my comment. You know I have never posted anything wrong here. If people see vulgarity in my comments, trust me this vulgarity is coming from the bible and the koran. People you need to understand that you are facing two mobs, the christians and the mullahs, and these people are utterly evil and want to destroy you. If mullahs have wiped out the Hindus of Kashmir, the fundie christians have wiped out the Nagas. 95% of Nagas are fundie christians now. 87% of Mizos are christians now. And these same christians are running TV channels going under Hindu names like Prannoy Roy and Rajdeep Sardesai.
Wake up and don’t be offended by the vulgarity of the koran and the bible. You will be seeing worse.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:00 am
@ Najeeb,
November 29th, 2009 at 11:01 am
@ S,
November 29th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Deepak, my comment #37 that has the links to freetruth and evilbible is still saying “Your comment is undergoing moderation”.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:38 am
MONKEYS & THE SENSE OF JUSTICE !!
IN Feb 1, 1986, the district judge ordered the opening of the locks of Babri Masjid, holding the Gov and the District Magistrate responsibile for the law and order problem that could create.
That is fine.
Now what prompted the Judge to give verdict to open the locks? The judge has written an autobiography and it says:
“It narrates the visit of a monkey to his home, then to his courtroom, and then back to his house before, during and after the pronouncement of his judgement. The monkey, he said, did no harm. He made an attempt to convey that the monkey inspired or directed his to pass a judicial order in an appeal against the order declining the preponent of the date by the subjudicial office…..”
From Page 93, section 25.3 http://media.mathrubhumi.com/pdf/liberhan_commission_report1.pdf
So this is how our judges pass verdicts, called ‘judgements’. One would wonder how our judges are different from the parrot fortune teller – if they base the judgements on the appearance or disappearance of animals.
PS: No wonder we have the lowest number of jail inmates !
November 30th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
@ Najeeb,
I guess that is no different from Gabriel visiting Mohammed when he was in a state of Wahi.
December 1st, 2009 at 11:02 am
To know how hinduism can grow with positive attitude is beautifully explained by thsi video.
This is not just must watch for hindus but those cristens and moslems who denounce our faith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pFtnikWlZI
December 1st, 2009 at 11:39 am
@ S,
December 1st, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Deepak comment @45, #47, and #48 are not from me. You can check the IPs. I think you will have to go for registered accounts. Perhaps it would be better to consider wordpress.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:19 pm
@ S,
December 1st, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Deepakji,
Please delete the objectionable and vulgar language used in comment Nos. 26 & 28. Perverts are using the opportunity to write vulgar things. We should not tolerate this, as it would amount to encouraging such characters.
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:30 am
@ Vijayalaxmi,
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:39 am
@ All,