WILL THE CHURCH AND CHRISTIAN MEDIA WAKE UP FROM ITS DEEP SLUMBER?
Egypt: Christians hide in homes after Muslims distribute leaflets saying “burn, vandalize and clean the country of these evil immoral infidels”
“America and Islam…share common principles – principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.” — Barack Obama, Cairo, June 4, 2009
“Copts expressed their fear over leaflets entitled ‘These have to Die!’ which are being distributed to all Muslims in Dairout and neighborhoods, enticing them to ‘burn, vandalize and clean the country of these evil immoral infidels.’”
Islamic Tolerance Alert: “Egyptian Christians Fear More Muslim Violence,” by Mary Abdelmassih for AINA, November 1:
Egypt (AINA) — Egyptian security forces have intensified their presence in the Upper Egyptian town of Dairout, in anticipation of a recurrence of Muslim violence against Christians. Copts expressed their fear over leaflets entitled “These have to Die!” which are being distributed to all Muslims in Dairout and neighborhoods, enticing them to “burn, vandalize and clean the country of these evil immoral infidels.”
Reports from Dairout, 313 km south of Cairo, confirm that Christian Copts are afraid to leave their homes and have stayed indoors since violence against them erupted on October 24, 2009. This collective punishment of Copts was caused by an illicit sexual relationship between a Muslim girl, Hagger Hassouna, and the Christian Romany Farouk Attallah. It was rumored that he sent videos of them intimately together to cell phones in Dairout before fleeing. This prompted the Hassouna family to kill his father, Farouk Attallah, on October 19, 2009, in revenge. Four of the Hassouna killers were detained by prosecution, leading to Muslim riots against the Copts (AINA 10-27-2009) .
According to Wagih Yacoub of the Middle East Christian Assosiation (MECA), Muslim-owned businesses are now displaying stickers with ‘Allah Akbar’ (Allah is Great) to differentiate between them and Coptic-owned businesses, as a form of pre-planning for a forthcoming wave of Muslim violence.
Handwritten leaflets (Arabic) have been circulated among Muslims in Dairout for the last two days; they call on Muslims to unite to take revenge for their religion and honor, claiming that Hagger Hassouna is innocent and that she was forced into vice, and “all Jews and Christians should come to learn that Muslim honor is precious.” The fliers state that Muslims are the masters of the world since beginning of times until the present day, and entices them to “burn and vandalize and clean the country of the evil immoral infidels.”
It also calls on Muslims to take revenge for the “rings of prostitution” which are the churches and in particular the church in the village of Ezbet Hanna. Those specifically named to be killed are Reverend Pavlos of the Church of the Virgin Mary, Coptic lawyer Gamal Youssef, two brothers who own an optometry practice, and a Copt who owns a beauty saloon and photography shop.
Muslims are asked to die for their honor and they will be rewarded with eternal paradise. “Do not say it is a matter of just a girl, no, it is a public and a serious issue, it is the biggest issue, it is Islam’s issue.” A transcript of the the leaflet (in Arabic) is published on Copts United website….
-----Email: greathindu@in.com
Fascist Trends in Indian Media
November 4th, 2009 at 11:18 am
The time has come for missionaries to wake up to Jehadi menace.
If they don’t, they will surely go up in smoke.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Mr. Kamat, you are wrong. Not all christian Churches in kerala have joined with RSS padres in combating Love Jihad, only the brahminical padres (both christian & RSS) are afraid of Love Jihad because their girls have no longer had any faith in these christian & hindu padres.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:46 am
@ Dharmanu,
What if a love Jehadi kidnaps your sister/wife/girlfriend/mother, would you still be saying the same thing?
November 5th, 2009 at 10:47 am
@ Dharmanu,
Brahminical Padre — that is an Oxymoron.
So are you saying that Christianity endorses Caste System.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:22 am
It all depends on what you choose to project. If you want to project muslims in bad light you shall search for the incidents where muslims have wronged.
But if you choose to highlight the contribution they have done to our nation in every field then it would make a difference in the society.
Can’t u find godse, modi , advani in hinduism?
but you find gandhiji, shelia dixit and vajapayy too !
November 5th, 2009 at 11:34 am
It is true to some extent that muslim boys with their gulf money, fancy bikes , cars try to impress girls with perfume, good dress and stylish clothes etc.
The age of innocence to adolecence is the time that finds many of hindu and christian girls fall for such boys thinking that they would be living heroin’s life of gauri khan and malika arora.
But these girls fail to look at the conditions of the very mothers of these boys which would later become their own plight too if they do consent for such overtures.
Muslims are not at all broad minded, they are the most timid of all religions.
They have scant respect for women and consider women as fucking machines and that z it.
THe other day amidst controversial home minister’s attendence of the summit at deoband they have barred women to for higher education and high payiong jobs and enter politics with fatwa.
When they dont hesitate to kill a christian or hindu boy if he elopes with a muslim girl and how dare they dream of having hindu or christian girls as their wife no1 or 2 or 3 or 10?
November 5th, 2009 at 11:38 am
THOUGH INTER CASTE MARRIAGES SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED BUT WITH MUSLIMS IT SHOULD BE DISCOURAGED BECOZ THEIR GOOD RESPECT AND LOVE FOR GIRLS IS ONLY TILL THEIR OBJECTIVE IS COMPLETE. (SEX). oNCE THAT IS ACHEIVED EVEN IF THEY MARRY THAT GIRL THE PLIGHHT OF THE GIRL WOULD BE LIKE A COW IN A COWSHED WITH NO FREEDOM.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:42 am
MANGALOREAN CHRISTIANS SHOULD THINK ABOUT THIS ISSUE SERIOUSLY TOO.
MANGALORE HAS HIGHEST NUMBER OF CHRISTIAN GIRLS ELOPING WITH MUSLIM BOYS AND LATER ENDING THEIR LIFE OUT OF FRUSTRATION.
MUSLIM BOYS DEPICT THEMSELVES AS BROAD MINDED AS SHAH RUKH OR AAMIR KHAN BUT IN REALITY THEY ARE NOT EVENM 1% BROAD MINDED AS THESE ACTORS .
uNLESS THE GIRLS IS CAREER SECURE, THESE BOYS ARE GONNA MAKE THEM BURKHA CLAD COWS FOR SURE.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Mr. Kamat,
Brahminical Padre is no oxymoron, he is a priest(doesn’t mind christian or hindu) who exhibits the superiority complex of the brahmin.
In Christianity, damocratic caste (a reality) is not a problem and this democratic caste & brahminical caste (an imaginary system designed for exploitation with the help of mythical theories) are not the one and the same thing.
Why wealthy, educated upper caste girls going with muslim boys?. First think about it before terrorising muslims.
November 6th, 2009 at 11:08 am
to dharmanu,
How many times you repeat the word brahman and give it a bad name…
Brother please read who is a brahman and then reply…
Here the topic is on muslim boys why do you want brahman in it?
If your priest call them bishops who are known for child abuse and also missionaries known for converting hindus..
November 6th, 2009 at 11:20 am
The Dharmanu dogma
Dogma: Brahminical Padre is no oxymoron, he is a priest(doesn’t mind christian or hindu) who exhibits the superiority complex of the brahmin.
Reality: Hmmm… You are taken in by Marxist propaganda.
Dogma: In Christianity, damocratic caste (a reality) is not a problem and this democratic caste & brahminical caste (an imaginary system designed for exploitation with the help of mythical theories) are not the one and the same thing.
Reality: Classic left interpretation.
Dogma: Why wealthy, educated upper caste girls going with muslim boys?. First think about it before terrorising muslims.
Reality: Muslims don’t think in terms of class theory. they only beleive in convert or kill. Read the Koran and Hadiths before talking to me. Grow up.
November 6th, 2009 at 11:30 am
To dharmanu…
I’m amused at this oxymoron thing. He sanctifies caste in chrishtianity..
What about the slaying of abrogines in australia, maoris in new zealand and red indians in americas?
That is called race i believe? I will call it caste. the discriminatipon by the clergy to the commons is also well established. It is only under rennaissance when chrishtnity failed in the west that discoveries and thinkers came…
In Bhart it is what hindu dharma when hindu dharma was at its peak before 8th century when bharat was the best there after our forefathers are busy fighting the muslims and chrshtians….
Read history alsi in manu there are still quotes to be deciphered, read surendra lal’s versions and not buhrer’s..
November 6th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
@ Shallabh,
I agree with you on the issues of Australia/New Zeland/America etc.
However, i must argue on the later part where you mention that after 8th century our ancestor were fighting invaders. Just to dig it further, and asks some interesting, obvious question which might reveal some facts needed to set our act straight.
(1) First, Before the 8th century, i should take it even farther back, before even the coming of the Alexander to Bharat. What was the status of Bharat vis a vis rest of the world. I guess everyone will say that Bharat was at the pinnacle? If it is so, what were our ancestor doing those days? Did they had the knowledge of the rest of the world. What’s happening in the rest of the world etc. If yes why don’t we find any books etc.. written by them mentioning about status, lifestyle etc in other parts of the world. Either rest of the world was not worthy enough to be documented about, or our ancestors became lazy and materialistic enough not to care about what was happeingin in the rest of the world? Aamod-Pramod main magan?
(2) What kind of Super power Bharat would be when it can not see around and take notice of what’s going on in the rest of the world. Think of todays America (super power of present time) not keeping an eye on the proceding of the world?
Either Bharat was no super power? and rich? etc. or our ancestor were lazy, completely materialistic, giving a damn about the rest of the world? No documentation what so ever, If Chanakya’s, Panani’s work can come to us, why not other details about the rest of the world. ??
Think and answer, please, and raise your questions as well please.??
November 6th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Aashish,
The answers that you seek are on the website below. We have been fighting jihad since 638, not the 8th century. We have lost about half our land to the jihad -
http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/how-islam-came-to-india-and-why-now-it-needs-to-go-from-india-2/
Kindly refrain from calling our ancestors lazy or materialistic.
November 6th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Hi S,
Thanks for passing me the web link, i’ll go through. I think i’ll like
Indian History – Myth, Reality, Propaganda part.
Anyways, I know i might sound rude and disrespectful to our recent ancestors (Yes recent), but, can i humbly state that, this is just the tip of the iceberg that i scratched when writing to shallabhji.
It is human nature to observe, and think and draw conclusions from the observations. But what if the observations are incomplete. Will it not prompt us to biased (and most likely wrong) conclusions. Please do not stop at 6th century or 1st century. We have to go back, far far back. If not we will end up with biased and possibly wrong conclusion, that my opinion my friend.
Second, If i know that my neighbour is a bastard and he can screw me anytime, then i consider it my duty to be watchful of him. Knowing the attittue of by neighbour if i fall pray to his nefarious design is not his smartness or cunningness but my folly. This is my point of view only and you might not align with it, that’s fine. But i think you get my point my friend.
Fighting Islamic invaders for 7-8 centuries and still ending up majority Hindoos in 1947, is a commendable job, when compared to the entire middle eastern countries and majority of Africa falling to them in a mater of few decades. However, this is what is being taught to us and we feel proud of it. Fine, Fine i respect my ancestors for this. But i do not want to stop here to draw complete conclusion my friend, i want to go back, far far back. Islamic religion and its agenda of complete islamization of the world started from middle east in 650 AD fine. These guys had nothing to loose to start with. However, we, Bharatvarsha was a established civilization (Yes we are the oldest civilization) and one of the most powerful countries of that time. Even then they come and loot us, give us hard time to our ancestor for 7-8 centuries is a feat for them, and a shame for us. Think of todays some small island country giving rough time to USA and compare the situation. That why i asked Sallabh, what the hell were our ancestors doing, didn’t they noticed the uprising of Islamic cult around 650 AD. which were creating havoc in Iraq, Iran, before they turend to Afghanistan (yes, Hindu controlled). We should have crushed them right there and then, if not, than its the folly of our ancestor, not knowing and acting to the uprising in our bad neighbour.
So that’s why i asked the question, as to what were our ancestorlets doinng??
Further we should go back, and back, to get the real answer. What is being taught to us, is what is being prepared for us. And what is being prepared for us, it is prepared by others, who ‘might’ have their own agenda. We have been falling to this agenda over and over again. To come out of it, we have to go back, bring all the facts to the table, and draw fresh conclusions, which will be our own conclusions about ourself. And that conclusion will be,
Bharat and Bhartiye started this materialism, and we have fallen to it. From a sukh sampan civilization to a country of over 650 million poor.
But it is only Bharat and Bharat that will save this world, to do that, we have to first know our foolies, accept them, pledge them not to repeat them, and than shine light on this world again.
If you do not agree, write to me please, i’m happy to argue.
November 6th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
“Fighting Islamic invaders for 7-8 centuries and still ending up majority Hindoos in 1947, is a commendable job,”
I have to run, so will reply to this line and handle the rest tomorrow. We did not retain our land, we lost Kubha (Kabul) Gandhar (Kandhar) Kshetra, and we lost Punjab Sindh Kshetra in 1947 (that’s pakiland) and East Bengal (that’s bangladesh). Now we are on the verge of losing Kashmir. Go through that site, and google “historyofjihad.org”. Once on history of jihad, read through the “India” link to know what actually happened.
November 7th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
“It is human nature to observe, and think and draw conclusions from the observations. But what if the observations are incomplete. Will it not prompt us to biased (and most likely wrong) conclusions. Please do not stop at 6th century or 1st century. We have to go back, far far back. If not we will end up with biased and possibly wrong conclusion, that my opinion my friend.”
We have to go back up till 7th century only, when the jihad invasions on India began, and if you go through dikgaj or historyofjihad you will find out why we lost almost half of our land area to islamic thugs – because we had never in our history seen invaders that were beastlike. Alexander came, defeated Porus, but then went on a pilgrimage through India, and had several discussions with scholars. The Greeks came (we called them Yavan, from Sanskrit word Yuva, meaning “young”), the Romans came, and quite a lot of them settled in India. Most joined the Kshatriya class and lived in peace. Now come the problematic invaders – the Shaks and the Huns. Barbarians they were, but even they settled down in India after clashes. If you do your history right, you will find that these Shaks and Huns are right here among us.
Now to come to the muslim part – kings of North Western India (present day afghanistan, and pakistan) defeated the invading muslims multiple times, but they did not annihilate them. The Kshatriyas had a code of not killing if the enemy was asking for mercy, which is what muhammadans do whenever defeated. This is why muhammadans were successful, because we were civilized and they were absolute barbarians. This jihad that we are facing is merely an extension of what those people faced, and we know what works with islam. The latter day Sikhs and Marathas never took prisoners, and executed every single male of fighting age. But the Sikhs and the Marathas were human as well, they did not tear down every single mosque in every city, and they did not annihilate the women and children. We in North India should be grateful to these two people for the current freedom that we enjoy and for which they paid with their blood.
November 7th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
i agree that all hindus should be like deepak,
i would like to show you people his character….this is his communities in orkut he joined……
here is your super hero`s profile communities>>>>>
http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community?cmm=24846720——divya hottie fansclub
http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community?cmm=37027556——gals mob no:
http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community?cmm=37521931——my hot first date
http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community?cmm=35227087—-muslim gals and hindu boys dating
http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community?cmm=41175528—-every muslim not terrorist
http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community?cmm=47612701——gals2suck cock
http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community?cmm=53093917—-sex is our religion
is hinduism=sex then??????
and much more like muslimgals,muslim boys,islam.etc
deepak is a terrorist and is wanted by the RAW
check this before he unjoins fearing me(A MUSLIM)
he fears me a lot and deletes my comments often…..
he is afraid that all hindus would understand his wicked lines and imaginary storys of @TERROR@
how can deepak not be a sex maniac?
he is guided by ramayana,geetha,etc
in which there is only sex stories….
like SHIVA-GANGA Immoral traffic,PANCHALI caught in debt like a call gal……
actually those books contain nothing more than sex
most funny thing is they worship imaginary characters….
every hindu agree that there god rama is just a character in vathmeeki`s ramayana…..
then why you people dont worship HARRY POTTER,SHERLOCK HOMES,etc??????
instead of worshiping gods(actually peices of stones)
its better to worship
SPIDERMAN,SUPERMAN,DINGAN,MAAYAVI,LUTTAAPI,BATMAN….etc
deepak misleads people making his own stories and telling its in quraan…..dont beleive it,
i challanged him to find arabic lines telling to kill,rape,etc….but he lossed
he deletes my comments fearing me often…..ha ha ha
ACTUALLY I DONT LIKE TO HURT OTHERS FEELING BY TELLING BAD ABOUT THEIR GODS…….
BUT THESE TERRORISTS LIKE DEEPAK KAAMAT MAKES ME TELL SO…..IF HE CAN WHY CANT I,
REMEMBER MUSLIMS ARE CITIZENS OF INDIA,NOT REFUGEES,AND NOT SLAVES OF HINDU TERRORISTS LIKE DEEPAK,
Deepak`s HERO NATHURAM GODSE KILLED OUR GANDHI,
BUT GODSE HAVE FANS-LIKE DEEPAK
JAI HIND
November 7th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
IF DEEPAK CAN TELL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORIST BECAUSE HE SEE A MUSLIM IN SUCH ACTIVITIES,I CAN TELL HINDUS KILLED GANDHI
but its unfair,
JAI HIND
November 7th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
remember godhra,babri masjid,malegav&goa,and ghadijis assasin
these all done by rss,sangh parivar&its derivatives they are mother fuckerssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
November 7th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
yeh deepak son of a bitch,
what fucking things are you writing in this hell site.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Yankee madar chod…. itnaa musliyon kee chaatneee hai to arabon kee chaaat…..
kutuye tumhain kabaa main dafnaayenge
Tum yaheen karnaa jaante ho,,,, jab gaand phat jaaye to personal attack shuru kardo….
MAA Ke LODe SAALE jis desh kaa khaate hain usii main ched karte hain.. tabhii haraamzaade kehlaate hain….
November 9th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
@ Arcadian,
I am a journalist. So I have to be everywhere. Just because I join a community does not mean that I endorse everyting there.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
@ Arcadian,
Just because I join a sex community on Orkut, it does not change the terror manual called Koran.
So stop bids at character assassination and face the Truth that Koran is a terror manual indeed.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
@ All,
I won’t be deleting the abuses against me.
Let people come to know the way how desperate Muslims are when confronted with facts. They pick up stray cases of Godse killing Gandhi to call Hidnu terrorists while whitewashign genocides that killed people in millions.
November 12th, 2009 at 10:58 am
There is only one solution, purification of India (then socalled pakistan and bangladesh), if we unite, get rit of caste system, we can clean these foreign religion followers (muslim and christian).
they are harmful to us society, they shouldn’t even buried, they will spoil our soil, white blood must be kept either in plastic bags or they bodies should be deported to where they belongs to.
they couldn’t save there religion, they are against us, they say bible/koran says nothing wrong, their existence itself is a slap on a every living hindu, if he has any honour for his country, religion.
SAFAYAA IS THE ONLY WAY, THEY UNDERSTAND, THEY FEAR, THEY WILL COME BACK TO HINDUISM ON THEIR KNEES
November 13th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
@ Darshan,
Islam is a mental disease. Physical extermination is not the solution — though violence does take place given the terror stance of the Muslim mind.
the real thing is in the mind. Muslims have to be reverse brainwashed from Islam.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:56 am
US- Evangelist Sentenced to 175 Years for Taking Girls Across State Lines for Sex
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575011,00.html
November 17th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Deepak Kamat
It is the only practical solution, our socalled hindus don’t even understand, how our so called gandhi (Bapu) is still murdering us even today, his NPAs (muslims) have become threat for us, who has time to brainwash dirt, mad people, even our (practical 90%) hindus say they are good, only some muslims are of terrorist state of mind. So brainwashing, bhaichara is impracticable.
we have around 90% (hindu population) is a herd of sheep, they can be provoked and goal can be achieved no international pressure. they are giving us chances and will continue to give.
IT CAN BE DONE there is no other way
November 17th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Darshan,
I understand what you are saying. While reading the history of jihad, and the systematic and wholesale murder of entire cities of Hindus over a period of 1400 years by the muslim invaders, I sometimes felt that way too. I also understand why we lost more than half our land to islam (Kubha Gandhar Kshetra (now afghanistan), Punjad Sindh Kshetra (now pakistan) and East Bengal (now bangladesh)). Hindus have been chased out of the Kashmir valley by the muslim majority and they are asking for yet another chunk out of India.
Our human values, our civilization, is the sole reason why we lost to islam. Only the Marathas and the Sikhs knew how to fight islam – they took no muslims prisnors and broke the back of the mughal empire. We need to understand that our battle is not new, it is 1400 years old. It is up to us if we seek to emulate Prithiviraj Chauhan or Guru Gobind Singh and Shivaji.
I know whom to follow.
November 17th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
S
If you have power, you can bend super power (like china),
if you are weak, you cry go to UN, do whatever you want
Nobody is going to pay that much attention (see what America, UN, and Western world is doing to India, they are just ignoring and playing politics)
Who care what muslims are doing to Hindus in India or Pakistan or rest of the world.
Just couple of christians died in Orissa, and see, how media cried, how western world shook us with hard statements.
why, because our people are supporting (christian/muslim) let coalition in centre. for the sake of power, they are doing anything to prove they are secular.
top of that coalition (christian/muslim) led by congress has only one goal, convert india into the land of Christ (like they have done in Mizorum, Nagaland), and land of mohammed and supress and finish stupid hindus.
pls note they (pro-christians) have only socalled trusted community muslims.
i am sorry to say if it continues like that for another 50 years.
EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN
November 17th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
@ Darshan,
Don’t confuse me to be a pacifist.
I have been very clear in my views.
Islam is a mental problem. The solution lies in deconditioning or de-brainwashing.
However, if the Islamic terrorists go beyond proportions, extermination is the only way.
November 18th, 2009 at 6:27 am
@ S
Cause + Effect = History
Majority of the modern day, English educated Bharatiye don’t care about history.
Those who care, majority of them stay stuck with the “Effect”. Why can’t we dig up the “causes”? Why it happened whatever happened.
In modern times of Bharitye History, two races invaded Bharat. First, “Islamic ” and second “English Britishers” both looted, plundered this country. We curse one but revere another Why??
We screw one invader, day and night but follow another and want to be like them in every possible way, Why??
What is the cause of the Downfall of Bharatvarsha, “Cause”, “Cause”??
November 18th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Dear Ashish,
I have posted few questions to you, but you never answered. May be you missed. Here are some questions. I would be delighted to read your answers, if you have the time to answer.
i)What exactly do u mean by ‘both plundered this country’? DId you mean to say that there existed a unified country with the current borders of India or including pakistan and bangladesh or even including afganistan?
ii) What exactly you mean by plundering by invaders? Are you saying that only invaders plundered this ‘country’? Are you saying that there were no wars between the kings who ruled different kingdoms that is now known us India?
iii) How is our history different from any other place on earth? Was Bharat totally devoid of any war?
iv) Is it not a lie to say that we have never invaded any other country in history, because such a country never existed in the past and there were many kingdoms and each kingdom had attacked other kingdoms whenever there was an opportunity?
v) Is it not true to say that the dharma yudha in mahabharat was an adharma yudha? Wasnt it fought for a land that was not righfully Pandawas? IF it is so, how is it different from other wars that happened on other parts of the world?
vi) Wasnt Bimbisara was imprisoned and starved to death by his son Ajathashatru ? And Ajathashatru himself was killed by his own son UdUdayiBhadra? How is it different from Aurangazeb imprisoning Shajahan? Will it be wrong or anti-hindu to say that we have started that tradition and Aurangazeb might have, I repeat migh have learnt it from our own tradition?
November 18th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Dear Najeebji,
Thanks for your questions and my apologies if i missed them at the first place.
You questions are dot on the target.
Please refer to comments 13 and 15 above where i attempted to raise few questions which asks us to ponder on the causes for the debacle of Bharatvarsha and which are more or less similar to the questions you have raised.
It is essential for us to educate ourself about our history, but why be selective in it?? We educate ourselves about effect and never ever think of Causes. Knowing the effect fills the heart with anger, becuase effect is bloody effect, but who will ponder about the CAUSES.
In the causes lies our faults, which no one wants to think of.
Apni nakamyabi ka gadha(pot) aadmi doosre ke sar(head) per phodta hai. Nakamyab kyon hua is bat per vichar log karna hi nahin chahte hai.
In comment 33 above, please take a note of the phrase “in modern times”. Actually we Indians stay stuck at the modern times (last 1000 yrs or so) and than also we keep crying about the effects.
Your questions are few amongst many that runs through my mind and maybe to everyone else’s as well who are concerned about the cause and do not want to single out someone to put the entire blame of our debacle.
I’m not a Historian and i’m not interested in going into minute details of what happened on a given day in the history of this country. I’m not after microscopic view of the History of this country but macroscopic one.
The history of this country is incomplete, no one knows, and no one bothers even to complete it. whatever history we keep singing day in day out is what is being written by the English and by others about us.
Europeans history is just 2500 years old so they made our history of that length only courtsey British empire and Max Muller et al.
What is the history of this country before that period?????????
The history of this country which we keep singing day and night is the effect of the doing of the ancestors of this country who lived long before 2500 years, that’s my conviction and i stand corrected.
Something like the following is worth reading and pondering
http://www.akgupta.com/Thoughts/the_fall.htm
regards
Aashish
November 18th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
What is the cause of the Downfall of Bharatvarsha, “Cause”, “Cause”??
All right, one para at a time -
Majority of the modern day, English educated Bharatiye don’t care about history.
Those who care, majority of them stay stuck with the “Effect”. Why can’t we dig up the “causes”? Why it happened whatever happened.
Do not think that you and yourself constitute the “majority”. Qutie a lot study history.
“In modern times of Bharitye History, two races invaded Bharat. First, “Islamic ” and second “English Britishers” both looted, plundered this country. We curse one but revere another Why??
We screw one invader, day and night but follow another and want to be like them in every possible way, Why??”
Two “races” did not invade Bharat, muslims are not a race. Islam is not a race. Yes, the Brits looted India, but they did not go for a systematic annihilation of Hindus, they did not destroy temples and build churches over them like muslims (Somnath, Mathura, Ayodhya, Kannauj). The Brits did not carve out Afghanistan from India. The Brits did not ask for a Pakistan and a Bangladesh out of Indian lands. The Brits did not chase the Kashmiri Pundits out of Kashmir. The Brits are not asking for a seperate Kashmir. The Brits did not kill on 26/11 in Mumbai.
“We screw one invader, day and night but follow another and want to be like them in every possible way, Why??”
Perhaps you want to be like a Brit and are projecting that everyone would like to be a Brit. Who says that I want to be like a Brit ?
You were given history links, but you choose to not go through them. You seek answers that are handed to you on a plate, but you can’t be bothered with “modern times” of the last 1000 years, and think that the answers are to be found 5000 years back ? There is the thread “Fitna and beyond” over this one. Fitna was made by a European who is alarmed at the growing islamization of Europe, we Indians are not the only one who are concerned with islam, but you won’t see it because it is “modern times”.
Take your head out of your ass for starters. That will help a lot.
March 6th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Hello Deepak,
I wanted to tell you that being a follower of Christ has noting to do with you name or family, so a person born in a Christian family is not a Christian till he accepts Jesus to be his/her Saviour, so please do not go by the names they have, lot of people in west have Christian names but they have noting to do with Jesus or his teachings.
If anyone is forced or by greed made to convert(if it is happening in our County) the converted person is not a true Christian, It is better not having such people called as Christians.
I am a Christian and I follow God’s word i.e. Bible.
I have strong belief in my Jesus and I would want to tell others what I believe and it is up to the person if he wants to accept it or not.
What I believe is – all men have sinned and is not worthy of going close to God. God is holy and no sinner can stand before Him. Jesus loved us so much that he came down as a man(without sin) and gave his innocent life for sinners and now anyone who believes would be saved, because He took our punishment on the cross, died on the cross and rose from the dead on the third day.
Now Mr. Deepak if you feel in your hear that you want to know more about Jesus you much get a New Testament Bible and read, it surely will help if you read with a open heart
Thank You.
March 20th, 2010 at 5:57 am
This is my first time here and this post was indeed thought provoking. I find there is a gap between the no. of readers and the comments . I personally think that even though I ask questions not many come fwd to answer. And believe you me, my questions are not ‘Big Bang theory’ types.
June 2nd, 2010 at 1:58 pm
I strongly agree with “Christian says”. My name is Aakash b’coz i’m indian and in my heart i’m a christian. I see a lot of similarities in Deepak and some western Christian evangelists especially in America who are less religious and more “anti- Islam”. The fact is there are good Hindus and bad Hindus, good muslims and bad muslims and good christians and bad christians, because at the end of the day, they are all people, more alike than different- Right?
June 2nd, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Good Hindu : Who sees all living things as god and All paths lead to GOD.
Bad Hindu :Who sees Not all living things as god . Because they know, other evil Religions try to convert non-believers by force or by deceit.
Good Muslim:One who emulates Mohammed (Convert every one to Evil Islam or Kill those don’t convert)
Bad Muslim : Who doesn’t follow Mohammed and thinks Islam is a peaceful religion.
Good Christian : Who follows Jesus and thinks all non-believers will go to hell. so he takes pity on others and try to show them the true path (Convert others by any means)
Bad Christian : Who doesn’t believe in Bible and its teachings.
June 20th, 2010 at 2:11 am
What do you know about Christianity ? Those who propagate conversion are not true Christians. They are agents of foreign religious fanatics. They have to be punished. Nobody can force anyone to embrace any particular faith. It is true for Christianity, Islam and Hinduism. As you said, a true believer is one who understand God and realize the fact that all paths lead to the same God. It is the Koran that spreads hatred and intolerance towards other faiths. It is demanded by their religion. They believe that their religion is above their sentiments towards their fellow beings and their mother land. Has any Muslim cleric issued a fatwa against terrorism? Instead, they issue absurd and antinational decrees against singing Vande Mataram and regarding length of Sania Mirza’s skirt. If you want to see the true Christians of India, come to Kerala. They are not converts, but who embraced the Lord’s way as their path towards salvation. They never preach hatred and are living in perfect harmony with Hindu brothers. Even the leaders of Hindu communities have high regard for Christian society in Kerala. This may not be the story in other parts of India, because the so called Christians in other places such as North East are not true Christians, they are the creation of their erstwhile British masters. It is these Neo-Christians who are bringing disgrace to other Christian communities. If I am not posting this to the blog of a fundamentalist, then I an sure that my opinion will not be rebutted.
June 22nd, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Christians have started following Islam or what ? (Taqiya?)
“I am the way the truth and the life; NO MAN cometh unto the Father BUT BY ME.” — Jesus Christ (John 14:6)..
I think this is enough :)
I don’t deny – Evil Islam should be wiped out from the face of earth , no doubt about that. But that doesn’t make Christianity any better religion . Christianity is also evil .
July 7th, 2010 at 4:35 am
Are u denying the fact that all religions are different paths to seek the same God..? Falsely interpreting God’s words is blasphemy. Well i think Christianity never teaches people to hate each other, as done by other religions…Hinduism, once was sacred, when Maharshis and sages were there. Now, it has corrupted under the hands of self-proclaimed yogis who are none but brothel runners. They preaches to hate other faiths. It’s high time to have true spiritual leaders like Vivekananda for liberating Hinduism from the clutches of malicious pseudo saints.
Deepak Kamat replies: Christianity and Islam are not religions. They are cults — hate cults at that. Read the Bible and Koran thoroughly before making sweeping generalisations.
July 11th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
A cult becomes religion when it gains support of the mass. Monotheistic religions are not cults. Polytheistic religions can have different deities with different interpretations of the religious teachings by different teachers, so as to form different cults – both good and evil. Some cults are taught and trained to slaughter the brothers of other faiths, while others are taught to respect and understand the teachings of other faiths and to live in mutual love, peace and harmony. I strongly believe that this will happen, the day when we stand united for a rich and prosperous nation.
Ajivika will surface.