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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Deepak,

I wanted to tell you that being a follower of Christ has noting to do with you name or family, so a person born in a Christian family is not a Christian till he accepts Jesus to be his/her Saviour, so please do not go by the names they have, lot of people in west have Christian names but they have noting to do with Jesus or his teachings.
If anyone is forced or by greed made to convert(if it is happening in our County) the converted person is not a true Christian, It is better not having such people called as Christians.
I am a Christian and I follow God&#039;s word i.e. Bible.
I have strong belief in my Jesus and I would want to tell others what I believe and it is up to the person if he wants to accept it or not.
What I believe is - all men have sinned and is not worthy of going close to God. God is holy and no sinner can stand before Him. Jesus loved us so much that he came down as a man(without sin) and gave his innocent life for sinners and now anyone who believes would be saved, because He took our punishment on the cross, died on the cross and rose from the dead on the third day.
Now Mr. Deepak if you feel in your hear that you want to know more about Jesus you much get a New Testament Bible and read, it surely will help if you read with a open heart
Thank You.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Deepak,</p>
<p>I wanted to tell you that being a follower of Christ has noting to do with you name or family, so a person born in a Christian family is not a Christian till he accepts Jesus to be his/her Saviour, so please do not go by the names they have, lot of people in west have Christian names but they have noting to do with Jesus or his teachings.<br />
If anyone is forced or by greed made to convert(if it is happening in our County) the converted person is not a true Christian, It is better not having such people called as Christians.<br />
I am a Christian and I follow God&#8217;s word i.e. Bible.<br />
I have strong belief in my Jesus and I would want to tell others what I believe and it is up to the person if he wants to accept it or not.<br />
What I believe is &#8211; all men have sinned and is not worthy of going close to God. God is holy and no sinner can stand before Him. Jesus loved us so much that he came down as a man(without sin) and gave his innocent life for sinners and now anyone who believes would be saved, because He took our punishment on the cross, died on the cross and rose from the dead on the third day.<br />
Now Mr. Deepak if you feel in your hear that you want to know more about Jesus you much get a New Testament Bible and read, it surely will help if you read with a open heart<br />
Thank You.</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
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		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the cause of the Downfall of Bharatvarsha, “Cause”, “Cause”??
All right, one para at a time -
Majority of the modern day, English educated Bharatiye don’t care about history.
 Those who care, majority of them stay stuck with the “Effect”. Why can’t we dig up the “causes”? Why it happened whatever happened.

Do not think that you and yourself constitute the &quot;majority&quot;. Qutie a lot study history.

&quot;In modern times of Bharitye History, two races invaded Bharat. First, “Islamic ” and second “English Britishers” both looted, plundered this country. We curse one but revere another Why??
 We screw one invader, day and night but follow another and want to be like them in every possible way, Why??&quot;

Two &quot;races&quot; did not invade Bharat, muslims are not a race. Islam is not a race. Yes, the Brits looted India, but they did not go for a systematic annihilation of Hindus, they did not destroy temples and build churches over them like muslims (Somnath, Mathura, Ayodhya, Kannauj). The Brits did not carve out Afghanistan from India. The Brits did not ask for a Pakistan and a Bangladesh out of Indian lands. The Brits did not chase the Kashmiri Pundits out of Kashmir. The Brits are not asking for a seperate Kashmir. The Brits did not kill on 26/11 in Mumbai.

&quot;We screw one invader, day and night but follow another and want to be like them in every possible way, Why??&quot;

Perhaps you want to be like a Brit and are projecting that everyone would like to be a Brit. Who says that I want to be like a Brit ?

You were given history links, but you choose to not go through them. You seek answers  that are handed to you on a plate, but you can&#039;t be bothered with &quot;modern times&quot; of the last 1000 years, and think that the answers are to be found 5000 years back ? There is the thread &quot;Fitna and beyond&quot; over this one. Fitna was made by a European who is alarmed at the growing islamization of Europe, we Indians are not the only one who are concerned with islam, but you won&#039;t see it because it is &quot;modern times&quot;. 

Take your head out of your ass for starters. That will help a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the cause of the Downfall of Bharatvarsha, “Cause”, “Cause”??<br />
All right, one para at a time -<br />
Majority of the modern day, English educated Bharatiye don’t care about history.<br />
 Those who care, majority of them stay stuck with the “Effect”. Why can’t we dig up the “causes”? Why it happened whatever happened.</p>
<p>Do not think that you and yourself constitute the &#8220;majority&#8221;. Qutie a lot study history.</p>
<p>&#8220;In modern times of Bharitye History, two races invaded Bharat. First, “Islamic ” and second “English Britishers” both looted, plundered this country. We curse one but revere another Why??<br />
 We screw one invader, day and night but follow another and want to be like them in every possible way, Why??&#8221;</p>
<p>Two &#8220;races&#8221; did not invade Bharat, muslims are not a race. Islam is not a race. Yes, the Brits looted India, but they did not go for a systematic annihilation of Hindus, they did not destroy temples and build churches over them like muslims (Somnath, Mathura, Ayodhya, Kannauj). The Brits did not carve out Afghanistan from India. The Brits did not ask for a Pakistan and a Bangladesh out of Indian lands. The Brits did not chase the Kashmiri Pundits out of Kashmir. The Brits are not asking for a seperate Kashmir. The Brits did not kill on 26/11 in Mumbai.</p>
<p>&#8220;We screw one invader, day and night but follow another and want to be like them in every possible way, Why??&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps you want to be like a Brit and are projecting that everyone would like to be a Brit. Who says that I want to be like a Brit ?</p>
<p>You were given history links, but you choose to not go through them. You seek answers  that are handed to you on a plate, but you can&#8217;t be bothered with &#8220;modern times&#8221; of the last 1000 years, and think that the answers are to be found 5000 years back ? There is the thread &#8220;Fitna and beyond&#8221; over this one. Fitna was made by a European who is alarmed at the growing islamization of Europe, we Indians are not the only one who are concerned with islam, but you won&#8217;t see it because it is &#8220;modern times&#8221;. </p>
<p>Take your head out of your ass for starters. That will help a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Aashish Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aashish Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Najeebji,

 Thanks for your questions and my apologies if i missed them at the first place.

You questions are dot on the target. 


 Please refer to comments 13 and 15 above where i attempted to raise few questions which asks us to ponder on the causes for the debacle of Bharatvarsha and which are more or less similar to the questions you have raised.


 It is essential for us to educate ourself about our history, but why be selective in it??  We educate ourselves about effect and never ever think of Causes. Knowing the effect fills the heart with anger, becuase effect is bloody effect, but who will ponder about the CAUSES.
In the causes lies our faults, which no one wants to think of.

Apni nakamyabi ka gadha(pot) aadmi doosre ke sar(head) per phodta hai. Nakamyab kyon hua is bat per vichar log karna hi nahin chahte hai.

 In comment 33 above, please take a note of the phrase &quot;in modern times&quot;. Actually we Indians stay stuck at the modern times (last 1000 yrs or so) and than also we keep crying about the effects.


Your questions are few amongst many that runs through my mind and maybe to everyone else&#039;s as well who are concerned about the cause and do not want to single out someone to put the entire blame of our debacle. 

I&#039;m not a Historian and i&#039;m not interested in going into minute details of what happened on a given day in the history of this country. I&#039;m not after microscopic view of the History of this country but macroscopic one. 

The history of this country is incomplete, no one knows, and no one bothers even to complete it. whatever history we keep singing day in day out is what is being written by the  English and by others about us. 


Europeans history is just 2500 years old so they made our history of that length only courtsey British empire and Max Muller et al. 

What is the history of this country before that period?????????


The history of this country which we keep singing day and night is the effect of the doing of the ancestors of this country who lived long before 2500 years, that&#039;s my conviction and i stand corrected.

Something like the following is worth reading and pondering

http://www.akgupta.com/Thoughts/the_fall.htm

regards
Aashish</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Najeebji,</p>
<p> Thanks for your questions and my apologies if i missed them at the first place.</p>
<p>You questions are dot on the target. </p>
<p> Please refer to comments 13 and 15 above where i attempted to raise few questions which asks us to ponder on the causes for the debacle of Bharatvarsha and which are more or less similar to the questions you have raised.</p>
<p> It is essential for us to educate ourself about our history, but why be selective in it??  We educate ourselves about effect and never ever think of Causes. Knowing the effect fills the heart with anger, becuase effect is bloody effect, but who will ponder about the CAUSES.<br />
In the causes lies our faults, which no one wants to think of.</p>
<p>Apni nakamyabi ka gadha(pot) aadmi doosre ke sar(head) per phodta hai. Nakamyab kyon hua is bat per vichar log karna hi nahin chahte hai.</p>
<p> In comment 33 above, please take a note of the phrase &#8220;in modern times&#8221;. Actually we Indians stay stuck at the modern times (last 1000 yrs or so) and than also we keep crying about the effects.</p>
<p>Your questions are few amongst many that runs through my mind and maybe to everyone else&#8217;s as well who are concerned about the cause and do not want to single out someone to put the entire blame of our debacle. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a Historian and i&#8217;m not interested in going into minute details of what happened on a given day in the history of this country. I&#8217;m not after microscopic view of the History of this country but macroscopic one. </p>
<p>The history of this country is incomplete, no one knows, and no one bothers even to complete it. whatever history we keep singing day in day out is what is being written by the  English and by others about us. </p>
<p>Europeans history is just 2500 years old so they made our history of that length only courtsey British empire and Max Muller et al. </p>
<p>What is the history of this country before that period?????????</p>
<p>The history of this country which we keep singing day and night is the effect of the doing of the ancestors of this country who lived long before 2500 years, that&#8217;s my conviction and i stand corrected.</p>
<p>Something like the following is worth reading and pondering</p>
<p><a href="http://www.akgupta.com/Thoughts/the_fall.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.akgupta.com/Thoughts/the_fall.htm</a></p>
<p>regards<br />
Aashish</p>
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		<title>By: Najeeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Najeeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ashish,

I have posted few questions to you, but you never answered.  May be you missed. Here are some questions. I would be delighted to read your answers, if you have the time to answer. 

i)What exactly do u mean by &#039;both plundered this country&#039;? DId you mean to say that there existed a unified country with the current borders of India or including pakistan and bangladesh or even including afganistan?

ii) What exactly you mean by plundering by invaders? Are you saying that only invaders plundered this &#039;country&#039;? Are you saying that there were no wars between the kings who ruled different kingdoms that is now known us India?

iii) How is our history different from any other place on earth? Was Bharat totally devoid of any war? 

iv) Is it not a lie to say that we have never invaded any other country in history, because such a country never existed in the past and there were many kingdoms and each kingdom had attacked other kingdoms whenever there was an opportunity?

v) Is it not true to say that the dharma yudha in mahabharat was an adharma yudha? Wasnt it fought for a land that was not righfully Pandawas? IF it is so, how is it different from other wars that happened on other parts of the world?

vi) Wasnt Bimbisara was imprisoned and starved to death by his son Ajathashatru ? And Ajathashatru himself was killed by his own son UdUdayiBhadra? How is it different from Aurangazeb imprisoning Shajahan? Will it be wrong or anti-hindu to say that we have started that tradition and Aurangazeb might have, I repeat migh have learnt it from our own tradition? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ashish,</p>
<p>I have posted few questions to you, but you never answered.  May be you missed. Here are some questions. I would be delighted to read your answers, if you have the time to answer. </p>
<p>i)What exactly do u mean by &#8216;both plundered this country&#8217;? DId you mean to say that there existed a unified country with the current borders of India or including pakistan and bangladesh or even including afganistan?</p>
<p>ii) What exactly you mean by plundering by invaders? Are you saying that only invaders plundered this &#8216;country&#8217;? Are you saying that there were no wars between the kings who ruled different kingdoms that is now known us India?</p>
<p>iii) How is our history different from any other place on earth? Was Bharat totally devoid of any war? </p>
<p>iv) Is it not a lie to say that we have never invaded any other country in history, because such a country never existed in the past and there were many kingdoms and each kingdom had attacked other kingdoms whenever there was an opportunity?</p>
<p>v) Is it not true to say that the dharma yudha in mahabharat was an adharma yudha? Wasnt it fought for a land that was not righfully Pandawas? IF it is so, how is it different from other wars that happened on other parts of the world?</p>
<p>vi) Wasnt Bimbisara was imprisoned and starved to death by his son Ajathashatru ? And Ajathashatru himself was killed by his own son UdUdayiBhadra? How is it different from Aurangazeb imprisoning Shajahan? Will it be wrong or anti-hindu to say that we have started that tradition and Aurangazeb might have, I repeat migh have learnt it from our own tradition?</p>
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		<title>By: Aashish Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aashish Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ S

Cause + Effect = History


Majority of the modern day, English educated Bharatiye don&#039;t care about history. 
 Those who care, majority of them stay stuck with the &quot;Effect&quot;. Why can&#039;t we dig up the &quot;causes&quot;? Why it happened whatever happened. 


 In modern times of Bharitye History, two races invaded Bharat. First, &quot;Islamic &quot; and second &quot;English Britishers&quot; both looted, plundered this country. We curse one but revere another Why??
 We screw one invader, day and night but follow another and want to be like them in every possible way, Why??

What is the cause of the Downfall of Bharatvarsha, &quot;Cause&quot;, &quot;Cause&quot;??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ S</p>
<p>Cause + Effect = History</p>
<p>Majority of the modern day, English educated Bharatiye don&#8217;t care about history.<br />
 Those who care, majority of them stay stuck with the &#8220;Effect&#8221;. Why can&#8217;t we dig up the &#8220;causes&#8221;? Why it happened whatever happened. </p>
<p> In modern times of Bharitye History, two races invaded Bharat. First, &#8220;Islamic &#8221; and second &#8220;English Britishers&#8221; both looted, plundered this country. We curse one but revere another Why??<br />
 We screw one invader, day and night but follow another and want to be like them in every possible way, Why??</p>
<p>What is the cause of the Downfall of Bharatvarsha, &#8220;Cause&#8221;, &#8220;Cause&#8221;??</p>
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		<title>By: Deepak Kamat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deepak Kamat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Darshan,

Don&#039;t confuse me to be a pacifist.

I have been very clear in my views.

Islam is a mental problem.  The solution lies in deconditioning or de-brainwashing.

However, if the Islamic terrorists go beyond proportions, extermination is the only way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Darshan,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t confuse me to be a pacifist.</p>
<p>I have been very clear in my views.</p>
<p>Islam is a mental problem.  The solution lies in deconditioning or de-brainwashing.</p>
<p>However, if the Islamic terrorists go beyond proportions, extermination is the only way.</p>
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		<title>By: Darshan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darshan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S

If you have power, you can bend super power (like china),
if you are weak, you cry go to UN, do whatever you want
Nobody is going to pay that much attention (see what America, UN, and Western world is doing to India, they are just ignoring and playing politics)
Who care what muslims are doing to Hindus in India or Pakistan or rest of the world.

Just couple of christians died in Orissa, and see, how media cried, how western world shook us with hard statements.

why, because our people are supporting (christian/muslim) let coalition in centre. for the sake of power, they are doing anything to prove they are secular.

top of that coalition (christian/muslim) led by congress has only one goal, convert india into the land of Christ (like they have done in Mizorum, Nagaland), and land of mohammed and supress and finish stupid hindus.

pls note they (pro-christians) have only socalled trusted community muslims.

i am sorry to say if it continues like that for another 50 years. 

EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S</p>
<p>If you have power, you can bend super power (like china),<br />
if you are weak, you cry go to UN, do whatever you want<br />
Nobody is going to pay that much attention (see what America, UN, and Western world is doing to India, they are just ignoring and playing politics)<br />
Who care what muslims are doing to Hindus in India or Pakistan or rest of the world.</p>
<p>Just couple of christians died in Orissa, and see, how media cried, how western world shook us with hard statements.</p>
<p>why, because our people are supporting (christian/muslim) let coalition in centre. for the sake of power, they are doing anything to prove they are secular.</p>
<p>top of that coalition (christian/muslim) led by congress has only one goal, convert india into the land of Christ (like they have done in Mizorum, Nagaland), and land of mohammed and supress and finish stupid hindus.</p>
<p>pls note they (pro-christians) have only socalled trusted community muslims.</p>
<p>i am sorry to say if it continues like that for another 50 years. </p>
<p>EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
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		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darshan,
 I understand what you are saying. While reading the history of jihad, and the systematic and wholesale murder of entire cities of Hindus over a period of 1400 years by the muslim invaders, I sometimes felt that way too. I also understand why we lost more than half our land to islam (Kubha Gandhar Kshetra (now afghanistan), Punjad Sindh Kshetra (now pakistan) and East Bengal (now bangladesh)). Hindus have been chased out of the Kashmir valley by the muslim majority and they are asking for yet another chunk out of India.

Our human values, our civilization, is the sole reason why we lost to islam. Only the Marathas and the Sikhs knew how to fight islam - they took no muslims prisnors and broke the back of the mughal empire. We need to understand that our battle is not new, it is 1400 years old. It is up to us if we seek to emulate Prithiviraj Chauhan or Guru Gobind Singh and Shivaji. 

I know whom to follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darshan,<br />
 I understand what you are saying. While reading the history of jihad, and the systematic and wholesale murder of entire cities of Hindus over a period of 1400 years by the muslim invaders, I sometimes felt that way too. I also understand why we lost more than half our land to islam (Kubha Gandhar Kshetra (now afghanistan), Punjad Sindh Kshetra (now pakistan) and East Bengal (now bangladesh)). Hindus have been chased out of the Kashmir valley by the muslim majority and they are asking for yet another chunk out of India.</p>
<p>Our human values, our civilization, is the sole reason why we lost to islam. Only the Marathas and the Sikhs knew how to fight islam &#8211; they took no muslims prisnors and broke the back of the mughal empire. We need to understand that our battle is not new, it is 1400 years old. It is up to us if we seek to emulate Prithiviraj Chauhan or Guru Gobind Singh and Shivaji. </p>
<p>I know whom to follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Darshan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darshan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deepak Kamat

It is the only practical solution, our socalled hindus don&#039;t even understand, how our so called gandhi (Bapu) is still murdering us even today, his NPAs (muslims) have become threat for us, who has time to brainwash dirt, mad people, even our (practical 90%) hindus say they are good, only some muslims are of terrorist state of mind. So brainwashing, bhaichara is impracticable.

we have around 90% (hindu population) is a herd of sheep, they can be provoked and goal can be achieved no international pressure. they are giving us chances and will continue to give. 

IT CAN BE DONE there is no other way</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deepak Kamat</p>
<p>It is the only practical solution, our socalled hindus don&#8217;t even understand, how our so called gandhi (Bapu) is still murdering us even today, his NPAs (muslims) have become threat for us, who has time to brainwash dirt, mad people, even our (practical 90%) hindus say they are good, only some muslims are of terrorist state of mind. So brainwashing, bhaichara is impracticable.</p>
<p>we have around 90% (hindu population) is a herd of sheep, they can be provoked and goal can be achieved no international pressure. they are giving us chances and will continue to give. </p>
<p>IT CAN BE DONE there is no other way</p>
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